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There are times when being a fan is fun and there are times when it can be tedious. SC has its share of fun the past 6-years, all the awards and accolades are impressive. There has some controversy as well as with the split title in 2004. That is a subject that continues rankle fans and ruffle feathers.

The argument was simple then; how does Oklahoma get to play in the title game when they didn't even win their conference championship game?

Today there are some who seem to think that SC would actually have a claim to a split title depending on the outcome of tonight's BCS title game against Ohio State and LSU.

For those who would actually pine for a split title I would say...STOP IT!

We don't deserve it and it shouldn't happen. From the Baton Rouge Advocate via Wolf's blog:

J. Barker Davis of the Washington Times isn't buying it.

"Georgia -- just beat the lamest BCS team in history," Davis said. As for USC, whose 24-23 home loss to 4-8 Stanford was one of the season's biggest stunners, "The Trojans did less with more than any team in the nation this season and should be ashamed for having the audacity to do any stumping after the Stanford debacle."

Agreed. Obviously the article in question has a slight bias to it as it was written right around the corner from LSU but the message is till on target.

I'm not sure that Ohio State and LSU are the 2 best teams in this game but some of the arguments from 2004 are valid here as well. Georgia did not play in its conference championship let alone win it so they shouldn't get consideration. USC lost to 41-point underdog Stanford, AT HOME and that is inexcusable. I don't care how great they looked against an overmatched Illinois they had some ugly games this year so I'm not buying it.

Like him or not Plaschke also has some fun at our expense even if he is OMG going a bit over the top.

Its time to focus on the off-season as we have our work cut out for us. Changes will be made, players will leave as new ones arrive and we will look to a new QB to lead us next season. Trying to lay claim to a mythical national title without being good enough to be playing for it is foolish. It may be fun to speculate or think about what could have been but the fact is we don't deserve it so its time to move on.

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Its all screwed up
At the end of the year you are going to have 3 teams that won their conference, and their bowl game.

West Virginia
USC
LSU/Ohio State

If Ohio State wins they're national champs, with only 1 loss.

All the other teams will have bowl wins and 2 losses.  The team with the most quality losses is LSU.  USC, and West Virginia have Stanford and Pitt to explain.  LSU has Kentucky and Arkansas.  Maybe the teams that they lost to are better than the teams we lost to, but it still doesn't mean a darn thing if the teams don't play on the field.

The title only is really going to mean something to the team that wins it.  There are just too many good teams this year that can play with anyone.  I don't think USC deserves to be the national champ this year.  But for an LSU fan to think that they deserve it, is just as ludicrous.  Its all meaningless anyway without a playoff, which probably won't happen in my lifetime.

by frak on Jan 7, 2008 6:54 PM PST   0 recs

Will happen in our lifetimes
The problem is the Rose Bowl's contract with ABC, it lasts until 2010 or 11.  It will most likely happen after that.  Might happen before if the SEC college presidents and get enough traction in the Big 12, the Big East and the ACC, and tOSU, Michigan and USC threaten to bolt if the Pac and Big Tens don't go along.

BTW:  Why all the loyality of the current fossils who run the Pac 10 to the Rose Bowl.  They most certainly did USC and the Pac 10 no favors by inviting Illinois over six or seven more deserving teams.  The Rose Bowl is out for the Rose Bowl, could care less about the conference (though with the Colesium mess USC is in no position to be calling their bluff).    

by Zoulou on Jan 8, 2008 3:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

please don't...
With all due respect Paragon, I'm glad you have an opinion on the matter, but don't presume to speak for the rest of us. For all I know maybe most USC fans do agree with your point of view, but I am not one of them.

Im tired of LSU and Les Miles talking about their two losses coming in triple overtime. A loss is a loss plain and simple. In every football game I have ever seen, or any other sports game for that matter, I was lead to  believe that the score was the most imortant factor, not the time. SC's two losses came by a combined 8 points same as LSU. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing! Both teams lost 2 games. If you want to argue about "better losses" I would remind you that SC lost to a Dennis Dixon (heisman trophy front runner) led Oregon squad, whom I believe were bound for the BCS Championship game.

Another thing that astonishes me is how hypocritical the voters are. Many of them, along with seemingly all the talking heads of college football, bitch and moan about the need for a playoff system. Both Ohio State and LSU have a 1 game winning streak! What this means is they both lost late (2nd to last game) when all the cards were on the table. Maybe you remember this concept when USC lost to UCLA last year. The bottom line is voters had their playoff structure when LSU played Arkanas and OSU played Michigan, but chose not to advocate it when they voted OSU #1 and LSU #2. Neither team deserved to be there PERIOD!

So by all means, go ahead and honor the "champion" of this contrived national championship game...

by Ron Mexico on Jan 7, 2008 7:28 PM PST   0 recs

I am no fan of LSU or Ohio State
I speak only for myself, but I think you are off base here.

I'm not going to honor either team, as I couldn't care less who wins. Both have their warts but they are playing in the game and we aren't. The system may be broken but it is the system we have. I would agree that you could argue about whether or not either LSU or Ohio State belongs in this game. tOSU's schedule is weak, they manipulated the system to their advantage but until its changed that's the way it goes. LSU does have 2 losses, I could care less that they were in triple OT, but their two losses were against teams that played in Bowl games on New Years Day while Oregon played in a meaningless bowl thanks to Tom Hansen and Stanford didn't play in a bowl at all.

But, it's not about the two losses it's about the one loss...to Stanford.

A loss to 41-point underdog at home disqualifies us for the national championship, when coupled with another loss, when you are ranked #1 or #2, depending on the poll. Do you really want to have another split championship and the baggage that comes with it? Has SC done such a bad job that we need to grab on to a split national title to give us solace? We are better than that and its time we lived up to that potential. Having a split title doesn't do a thing for us, especially one that is tainted by the Stanford loss. Beat Sanford and this argument is moot because we would be in N.O. tonight.

I don't disagree with your take on the voters but again it is the system we have so we have no choice but live with it, there is no accountability. The bigger issue that would have had a much better impact on this argument is the all this crap about the Pac-10/Big 10 tradition. If the powers that be had any stones and picked Georgia over Illinois we have something to talk about, provided SC would have won. Sure, SC thumped Illinois but they should have, as Illinois like Hawaii had no business being in those games.

One final thought on tOSU, they are the only team with one loss so it is logical with the system we have in place that they would be in this game.

I am uninterested in trying to change the system. Other websites do a fine job of laying out the argument for change so I will defer to them. This is a crusade that I have no interest in taking up.

by Paragon SC on Jan 7, 2008 8:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

'SC is THE BEST team in CFB right now, but. . . .
. . .they're definitely not the final #1 team in CFB in the final analysis- all things considered.

The system is what it is- and it won't change (from a PAC 10 perspective) until at least 2014- according to Commissioner Hansen. Unless ABC/ESPN win bidding rights (in and around 2010) for the new BCS network rights once Fox Sports contract expires.

I've argued earlier that it is nearly impossible for ANY TEAM IN CFB to plausibly be a 41-point favorite as USC was for the October Stanford game. That's just pure fantasy. For people to keep throwing that in our faces- they have other problems in their lives that must be dealt with instead of picking on us for that loss. Granted, Stanford went absolutely nowhere for the duration of their PAC 10 season- so that loss definitely hurt us in more ways than one. Historic loss- no two ways around that.

We are one of 4 hot teams as of late. Not the #1 team considering our body of work throughout the season.

BTW: Paragon- with regards to the Pac10/Big10/SEC polemic- I read a great post on the Maize and Brew  blog yesterday. 2 links- 1st is the post (from Dave at Maize and Brew)  / 2nd link is to a link that had your's and USCLink's remarks from an Aug 2006 posting here on CC(via Dawg Sports' T Kyle King). Check it out, it was a great read.

http://www.maizenbrew.com/story/2008/1/7/2638/33726

http://www.dawgsports.com/story/2006/8/2/144826/4076

 

by tapoutstylist on Jan 8, 2008 9:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I read both...
good stuff, thanks.

by Paragon SC on Jan 8, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

USC lost in triple overtime
on the road in 2003 and that kept us out of the championship game.

by frak on Jan 8, 2008 11:36 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

????? (say what)
Hey frak- did BCB just call you Spot?  I don't know? Things are gettin' a little heated here? (totally just joking)

by tapoutstylist on Jan 9, 2008 3:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well Said...
You are right on spot, but Oregon wouldn't have gotten the championship game even if they ran the table.  LSU or even Oklahoma, considering the snafu at Autzen the year prior would have set that in motion.
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by bcsbusters on Jan 9, 2008 2:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Big Ten should be enjoined ...
from playing in anymore NC games.

tOSU has become the Buffalo Bills/Minnesota Vikings of college football.

by Zoulou on Jan 7, 2008 8:42 PM PST   0 recs

Hey wait a minute
You're not here trying to get into our heads, are you?

(I'll save you a little time and effort, it's not worth the trouble to get into mine ;)

by DC Trojan on Jan 7, 2008 9:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Although...
The rate of return for Junior starters at tOSU is going to be of interest for our game against them in the coming season. They're plainly vulnerable to a fast defense now, but will SC have the speed to bring on D? Similar question for us in reverse with a new starting QB, perhaps.

by DC Trojan on Jan 7, 2008 9:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

USC can perform a National Service
by beating tOSU at the Colesium.

The Big Ten should be regulated to Mid-Major status.

by Zoulou on Jan 8, 2008 10:12 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think the thing that frustrates me the most...
is the media's persistence that the problems relating to the BCS are specifically the result of the Rose Bowl.

Due to the fact that I have researched this issue for four years and followed the same themes all four years I might add, this smear campaign against the PAC-10 runs far deeper than just the BCS era, as it extended well into the CFA era as well.

The SEC has always taken itself too seriously, and due to the fact that the Rose Bowl has been the second highest BCS bowl, next to the championship game (in terms of ratings), the SEC, Big-12 and ACC can't wait to get their hands on the Rose Bowl.  

If we eliminated the poll system, which is run largely by ex players and administrators who were party to Chuck Neinas and the CFA, I would support this.  If the bowls were actually determined head-to-head, without the manipulative influences of television and the elite bowl structure, then it would be good for the game.

I disagree with Dawg Sports.  You can ask any SEC fan, and I have friends in high places all over the country, and they will tell you flat out every time they think the PAC-10 is soft.  They don't think we can play at all out here, other than USC.

I like USC, I really do, but other than USC, the PAC-10 doesn't hold a lot of credibility within the coaches poll or the Harris Poll, and since every team in the South wants the notoriety and television exposure that the Rose Bowl can bring, other than USC, no other PAC-10 team would stand a chance of getting voted high enough in the polls.

If you question this, consider Oregon, in both 2002 and 2005 and California in 2004.  Even Washington in 2001, without the automatic tie in, wouldn't be given an opportunity if the coaches and harris poll were the determining factors.

This really is why the PAC-10 will not budge.  With the way the harris poll and the coaches poll, as well as the networks, who are always on the SEC/Big-12 bandwagon, the primary breeding ground of the CFA, which is really the BCS at work...with the way this all fits together, what else is the PAC-10 supposed to do.

Consider this:  All year long we have heard how the SEC is the best.  Who in their right mind would consider a conference who went a mere 12-9 against the other BCS Conferences, and more importantly, went 2-5 against other teams ranked in the Top-35...who in their right mind would consider that conference to be the best?

This constant SEC hype machine and the media's insistence that the Rose Bowl is the culprit responsible for the problems preventing a plus one is a bunch of hogwash.  If you think the SEC hype machine is out of hand now, just wait until the Rose Bowl jumps into the alliance.  It would quickly spiral out of hand, as if it already isn't.

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by bcsbusters on Jan 8, 2008 2:45 PM PST   0 recs

What exactly are you saying?
If the Pac-10 is against a playoff, they are part of the problem.  Simple as that.  I don't care whether they're as bad as the media says.  Any part of the problem is still part of the problem.  

I don't really see how a playoff would make the Pac-10 vulnerable, since it would actually free the system from bias.  Also, I disagree with your assertion that only USC has a chance of being chosen for the championship game or as a second representative.  

In 2000, Oregon State played in the Fiesta Bowl as an at-large bid.  In 1998, UCLA was #1 in the very first BCS standings, #2 for several weeks, and #5 in the final standings after a loss in a rescheduled game that should never have been played (Cal shouldn't have played So Miss at the end of the 2004 season either).  In 2001, UCLA was #3 in the first BCS poll and would have moved up to #2 if the coach had chosen the right starting QB.  Just this year both Oregon and Cal were #2 at one point in the season.

Yes, there is clearly an east-coast bias, but sometimes ("Even Washington in 2001, without the automatic tie in, wouldn't be given an opportunity if the coaches and harris poll were the determining factors.") you're just exaggerating.

by SuperBruinMan on Jan 8, 2008 7:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think the Pac 10 has been passed over
more than any other conference.

Examples:

Oregon- 2000 gets passed over for Nebraska
USC- #1 in both polls gets passed over for Oklahoma in 2003.

The Pac 10 has appeared in 2 BCS championships. This is the lowest amount for any of the BCS conferences.  With the exemption of the 2000 Oregon team, and the 2003 USC squad from the title game, I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that there is a bias.  Even this year, USC never moved up in the polls unless the voters didn't have a choice.

The Big 12 has appeared in 5 title games and won 2 of them.  The SEC is next with 4 appearances with no losses.

by frak on Jan 8, 2008 7:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oregon and the 2003 SC squad were ripped off.
But in a playoff they would not have been passed over.

Also, save for the 2000 Oregon team, what Pac 10 team should have been to  BCS game and wasn't invited.  The 2002 WSU team laid an egg in the Rose Bowl.  Cal in 2004?  They got killed by Texas Tech in the Holiday Bowl.  ASU this year?  Same thing.  Outside of USC, where has the Pac 10 done well in big bowl games?  

by Zoulou on Jan 8, 2008 7:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Just Washington, and ASU
In the last 20 or so years, Washington and ASU have ended the season with a bang.  

by frak on Jan 8, 2008 8:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Pac 10 and Big ten won't budge
Because their commissioners are fossils and quite comfortable with the Rose Bowl make-up, and ABC is quite happy with the arragement as well.

Remember, the Rose Bowl almost drew as many TV viewers as the Championship game, and out drew the Fiesta, Sugar and Orange.

That will change if the SEC, ACC, Big East and Big 12 conferences agree to a playoff.  If the Big Ten and Pac 10 and the Rose Bowl hold out, well, we'll see how long they hold out as they watch just about every elite player in the nation will skip Big 10 and Pac 10 schools.

It's already changing. The president of Georgia is in favor of a playoff.  Convince the presidents of Texas, OU, FSU, West Virginia and there might be some real movement.

by Zoulou on Jan 8, 2008 7:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Gimme a break
The BCS is contractually bound to BCS schools. What are they (SEC, ACC, Big East, and Big 12) gonna do? Kick out the Big 10 and Pac 10? It's a lot like the United Nations people! One "negatory good buddy" and it's NEGATORY GOOD BUDDY!

Pac 10 and B1g 10 say no to a playoff or plus 1- NO.

I have an idea! How about- in the current scheme of things- make sure ALL BCS schools play OTHER BCS schools for their out-of-conference games? That way- no one cakewalks into the BCS championship game IF they should be so lucky come end of CFB season? That would eliminate some of the would-ifs we all have for this past season.

by tapoutstylist on Jan 8, 2008 8:24 PM PST   0 recs

Wrong
The BCS is not contractually bound to BCS schools.  The Bowl Cahmapionship Series is an agreement between the TV networks and the Bowl Committees, with the conferences playing along. It's complicated, but the long and short is that they may add and take away games as they please.  

The Rose Bowl has a separate deal went along provided that they get the traditional match-up if a Big Ten or Pac 10 school don't make it, and has a separate TV deal with ABC.  That was the deal that the Rose made to form the BCS, they were the lone, vocal holdout to the BCS and were allowed the make a separate deal with ABC.  it's the reason why the Big Ten and Pac 10 are so admamant, for now, against the playoff.  The Rose Bowl is very, very good to them, and vica-versa.    

The Orange, Fiesta, Sugar and the NC games are bound to Fox.  So these bowl games include the other four power conferences, plus Notre Dame.  So, yes, they can do a plus one or a playoff and exclude the Rose Bowl.  Then the Pac 10 and the Big Ten have a choice, join or die.    

It may not happen because the college presidents need every conference to get along because, believe it or not, NCAA schools play other sports than football.

But you are wrong in that if the Big Ten and Pac 10 vote no, the BCS is contractually bound by their votes.  They are not.  

by Zoulou on Jan 8, 2008 8:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

So you're saying
When Fox entered into network contractual rights to the BCS bowl series, that it would be alright by them if a PAC 10 or Big 10 school would be excluded to be in the BCS title game?

Even though there is a separate ABC network rights to the Rose Bowl, the alliance of all committed conferences still pretty much works as I have stated.

I don't know about you, but I'd be pissed if I signed and was bound to a contract that GUARANTEES me quality competition for a very very lucrative endeavor with MAJOR money to the tie-ins involved- and that it could be comprehensively quashed because of some anger over the who, why, and what of WHO IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION.

by tapoutstylist on Jan 9, 2008 9:13 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Its complicated
But there is nothing in the BCS that requires contractually that all conferences must agree and one can stymie the other five.  It's complicated, but from what I understand (and it's not that much, mind you), it is possible for the three bowls, the other four "BCS" conferences and Fox start a six-team playoff. Probable?  No.  After all, the NC game drew about the same ratings as the Rose Bowl.  I think Fox would prefer USC being in the mix, after all, like ND, they are a team that the rest of the country loves to hate. So that scenario most likely will not happen, and it's not being considered at this point.

However, if a one-loss Tosu makes it and gets waxed again and ratings plummet as a result, you'll see significant movement to a playoff.

by Zoulou on Jan 9, 2008 9:24 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Never said
"the BCS that requires contractually that all conferences must agree and one can stymie the other five"- only said that the BCS works "much like the UN".

They are contractually bound to the network rights they all signed off on in 2004. That's all.

by tapoutstylist on Jan 9, 2008 9:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

To be sure, I'm with you Zoulou. . .
. . .I'd love to have a playoff- even a plus-1 model. Currently- the system sucks as we know it. I'm just not so sure how it can be maintained with the PAC 10 and Big 10 untenable to the idea. They love their traditional Rose Bowl history. With that said- the Rose Bowl peeps would see it as losing it's luster on the grand stage of bowl games.

The BCS folding. Would love it.

The parity of teams is forcing the playoff movement to gain traction, and that- to me is a good thing.

Even though I loathe Les Miles (not LSU), I think it was bad timing on CFB's part to inject this polemic so forcefully and so soon after the BCS championship game. LSU didn't have time to enjoy their accomplishment. That would suck if it had happened to Pete Carroll and all our seniors on this year's team if it had happened to them. (big if- I know)

I hear you on tOSU. Someone has called them "The Luckeyes". Couldn't be more on the mark with that one.

PS: I realize I "implied" conference-to-conference obligations in my postings. I'll admit that. Sorry for the confusion.

by tapoutstylist on Jan 9, 2008 11:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

If, and. that's a huge IF. . .
If the conferences outside of Big 10 and PAC 10 decide to go ahead with a playoff or plus-1 format- the BCS as we know it would have to fold.

If they fold, they'd be obligated in some way to compensate both Fox and ABC for terminating their respective network contracts.

If they terminate said contracts there's the possibility of MASSIVE LITIGATION.

There's a lot of if's here Zoulou

by tapoutstylist on Jan 9, 2008 9:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wow Major changes to the BCS coming
Found this article online.  Looks like its finally the change we are all looking for.

NCAA Abandons BCS, Implements New Argument-Based System For Determining College Football Rankings

INDIANAPOLIS--The NCAA Board of Governors announced Monday that it would be abandoning the complicated BCS formula, with its interdependent network of media and coaches polls and computer rankings, in favor of a more streamlined and manageable system consisting of millions of arguments among fans. "We feel that by monitoring opinions expressed during football-related arguments held in the nation's bars, restaurants, lunchrooms, Internet message boards, and dinner tables, we can amass all the data we need to rank the nation's college football teams throughout the season," NCAA president Myles Brand said in a press release detailing the argument-monitoring system already in place at most Division I colleges. "The best thing about this system is that arguments about the accuracy of the previous week's arguments are automatically factored in to each week's rankings. We feel we've finally found the solution fans have been demanding for years." Detractors of the new system claim it will reward larger schools with more vocal, more strident, and simply louder fans, as a recent test of the system had Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Tennessee, Florida State, USC, Boston College, and Alabama all tied for first place.

by frak on Jan 9, 2008 12:12 AM PST   0 recs

To Super Bruin Man
Here is a tip - Pull your head out of your ass!  You are absolutely right...The College Football Association never existed and than people who ran this exaggerated unionized alliance are all make believe.

People like Chuck Neinas was never voted as one of the 25 most powerful men in sports of the previous century.  And he currently really doesn't make an absurd amount money hiring all the key administrators and coaches at the elite schools who make up this unionized alliance.

And people like Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Barry Switzer, Vince Dooley, Frank Broyles and  the like have never really worked on the television contracts and are not really involved in the Harris Poll.

And the SEC really is the best conference, even though they went 2-5 against the opponents who ranked in the Top-35 this year.

And at the end of the day, within this season of parity, the same schools who invented, controlled and developed not only the CFA, but the Harris Poll, are all voted in the top-10 this year.

But you are absolutely right, I have written this book as part of a life long goal and dream and I just wanted to throw a bunch of loose facts together and call myself a conspiracy theorist so no one would take it seriously.

Not only are you misinformed, I would be embarrassed to call myself a prudent and knowledgeable fan of college football.  That statement, given everything that is going on right now and in the past decade as far as this smear campaign against the PAC-10, is simply moronic.  

Here is another tip...go back to Bruins Nation where you arrogant assholes, like your founder Nestor, can all back-stab your current coaching staff and tell us how Pete Carroll is worried about Neu-weasel.  It is one reason why I don't EVER visit Bruins Nation - there isn't any intelligent communication going on.

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by bcsbusters on Jan 9, 2008 7:31 AM PST   0 recs

Agree with SuperBruinMan
After all, if Dixon didn't get, and the Ducks won out, they would have gone to the Championship game. The argument would have been between Tosu and LSU fans over who was second.  

However, after this year, I doubt that the Big Ten will get the benefit of the doubt.  Unfortunately, the Big Ten looks weak again next year.  Forget the Illinois stuff, this is a Ron Zook team, and there will be a huge QB controversy over Juice Williams/Eddie McGee.  They lose three games next year. UM is in transition.  Wisconsin and Penn State lose valuable seniors. I can see Tosu running the table again in the Big Ten again.

by Zoulou on Jan 9, 2008 8:52 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Easy BCB...
I love your knowledge and passion and I would agree with with all the great info that you have put out.

But lets not attack other posters; all opinions will be heard here regardless of right or wrong, whether or not they are based in fact or just opinion.

Lets keep the passion and leave the attacks at the door.

by Paragon SC on Jan 9, 2008 10:11 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exaggerating...Making all of this stuff up...
This season, after USC lost to Stanford, was going to end up with either LSU, Ohio State or Oklahoma irregardless of Oregon running the table.  

The people in the South, hate the fucking PAC-10 because of the Rose Bowl, and this smear campaign has been nothing more than a power play.

If you think they would have let Oregon in Over either LSU, Ohio State or Oklahoma you are flat out kidding yourselves.

I told you guys that the stink bomb coming at the end of this season would be the stinkiest of them all.

You've got Michigan ranked about 7 spots ahead of Oregon, when Oregon beat Michigan by 30 and it could have been 50 if Coach B wanted to run up the score.  And if West Virginia had somehow managed to beat PITT, it would have been the CAL - Texas debate all over again.

Who do you think MAC Brown was campaigning to?  Himself, ESPN...He was campaigning to his alliance, which was is the College Football Association, which is now re-wrapped as the BCS.

The same themes of the CFA movement are being played out within the BCS.  And by the way, Oregon State, Washington and Oregon have all dominated BCS Bowls.

The Huskies were locked out of the championship game over both Miami and FSU, when they beat Miami that year and a 12-1 Oregon State team that kicked the holy shit out of Notre Dame.

Oregon was kept out of the championship game after losing by 7 to a Stanford team that was ranked ninth and then they beat Colorado (38-16), the Buffalo team that beat Nebraska that year (62-36).  Is it any wonder that the SEC and Big-12 have dominated the BCS?  

Sorry, I take it a little personal when someone says I am exaggerating, just making this shit up.  I can't believe you guys cant see this.  It is so obvious it is sickening.  

But just wait, we will go through many more of these snubs before you guys will wake up and see it for what it is.

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by bcsbusters on Jan 9, 2008 11:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I hear you
But come on...

We see it for what it is; an old boys network that refuses to change. I thought Mack Browns lobbying was sickening but the only way that changes is with scheduling.

SC already plays a round robin within the Pac-10 and they play a tough OOC schedule. The other conferences need to step up and do and do the same.

tOSU had the #1 defense because they loaded up on cupcakes and the Big 10 is weak. LSU did the same thing with their OOC and scheduling 8 or so games at home.

HP makes a convincing argument about how to fix it. There wouldn't be a need for a play-off if the teams played a schedule similar to what SC does. That would shake a lot of teams loose because they would probably lose a game or two here and there to keep them honest.  Heck even ucla is doing its part by putting Tennessee and I believe Texas on future schedules.

So, while I think there is some validity for a playoff because it answers the question on the field I also think it could open up a whole other can of worms. Fix the scheduling problem and we would see a better variety of teams deserving to be in these bowls.

Its not my original thought but I agree with it...

by Paragon SC on Jan 9, 2008 12:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hat Tip for the article link...
But every thing he said in that article can be found within my BCS Busters Playoff Proposal.

Each team would play 6 home games and 6 road games (this is in theory, but a few would only have 5 home and 7 road...most likely non-BCS teams) and the teams who are in the Top-2 of each division would play off for the championship in weeks 9 and 10, which would create 8 conference champions who would be aligned in a regionalized bracket the last two weeks, which would determine the bowl games.

The scheduling issue that HP talks about is fixed, there is no NEED for a poll or to seed teams and everything is settled on the field in a 12 week regular season and then we get the bowl match-ups without any conference affiliation ties.  He just summed up what my Playoff Proposal encompasses.

Now back to what I was saying earlier,  the Big-10, Big-12 and SEC will always continue to schedule cream puffs because they claim their conference is so tuff, which will continue to be a circular argument, which will be upheld by the Harris and Coaches poll.  

My playoff proposal solves this because it takes the non-conference scheduling completely out of the schools hands, saving it for the vital month of November and the strength of your non-conference schedule as well as your bowl opportunity will be determined by your conference placing, which you have to EARN on the field.  HP said essentially everything I have been trying to accomplish with this book project, because the Harris Poll alliance isn't going to go away with the Rose Bowl alliance jumping into the plus one.  The poll shenanigans will get worse, in spite of the parity on the field!

BCSBusters - A Regular Season Bracketed Playoff Truly Making Everygame a Playoff In College Football.

by bcsbusters on Jan 9, 2008 2:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And by the way...
It isn't the playoff that makes the PAC-10 vulnerable...It is a seeding system or a polling system that determines the 8.  Without it, fair game.  With it, Nothing changes...the CFA teams will always dominate in spite of parity.
BCSBusters - A Regular Season Bracketed Playoff Truly Making Everygame a Playoff In College Football.

by bcsbusters on Jan 9, 2008 7:47 AM PST   0 recs

OK, I can see that
I think the best option would be a selection committee like what they have for basketball, which is much more objective.  If the Pac-10 was smart, it would come out and demand that, placing the pressure on the pressure on the other conferences.  Until they do that, they still deserve at least some blame for the current situation - all of the conferences deserve some blame.

by SuperBruinMan on Jan 10, 2008 12:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Only reason I can think of against a playoff
It'll mean more college football games televised by FOX.

Look, it's the band!

Flag on the play?  Cut to commercial.

Hey, it's the other band!

by Boy Howdy on Jan 9, 2008 7:48 AM PST   0 recs

Fox is terrible
They really don't get the college game.  I think the technical crew forgets that time out occur after 1st downs, and you only have 25 seconds to snap the ball.  Then there are the announcers.

They are for the most part pretty good with the NFL,  but the lack of broadcasting regular season college games hurts them.  

by Zoulou on Jan 9, 2008 8:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Watching this season
made me miss Keith Jackson even more.  Good the analysts sucked this year, and Hamburgler isn't worthy to carry Keiths mic.

by frak on Jan 10, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

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