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Just a couple of brief things this morning.

The Norm Chow to ucla talk is generating a lot of interest since Chow was fired by the Tennessee Titans yesterday. I am just not seeing it, s I said yesterday if Chow thought PC wasn't giving enough credit when he is at SC what does he think Slick Rick is going to do?

Chow, who interviewed to become UCLA's head coach in December, acknowledged Tuesday night that UCLA had contacted his oldest son, Carter, who is his agent. Chow, 61, has two years left on a contract that will pay him more than $1 million a year. UCLA is believed to have between $300,000 and $400,000 available for an offensive coordinator.

Asked if he was interested in joining the Bruins staff, Chow said, "At this point in time, I'm going to sit back and stay home and walk the dog and think about some stuff. My wife and I have been apart for three years and we're going to enjoy being together."

Chow will get paid a lot of money to sit out and get to know his family again. I also think Chow has too much pride to work for ucla in a capacity less than what he interviewed for. I also think Slick Rick is doing it just to poke SC in the eye and that is the wrong reason to hire someone.

Plaschke is on the bandwagon as well. He seems impressed that RN would go after Ken Norton as a coach and then have the temerity to after Chow.

This hot blast of fresh Bruin has turned his first off-season into a two-minute drill, risks taken, stereotypes shaken, news flying everywhere.

About the only thing more brash would be an attempt to hire former Trojans offensive coordinator Norm Chow.

Who, incidentally, was fired from the Tennessee Titans on Tuesday.

Everyone duck.

"There is no doubt, this shows that Rick is secure in himself and his approach," said David Norrie, former UCLA quarterback and an analyst for ESPN and ABC. "He's going after any coach he thinks would be the best for his staff, no matter what."

If Chow would come, Neuheisel would hire him, a move that would rattle parts of this town from now until Dec. 6.

If the attempt to hire Norton was a jab, the successful hiring of Chow would be a roundhouse.

The offensive mastermind behind two USC national titles and Heisman Trophies sitting in the press box for UCLA?

Nice try Huckleberry. Bring Chow in, I know he can develop talent but without an offensive line to protect the QB I don't care how good he is at developing a QB. Case in point is Vince Young, VY was running for his life this season and with no one to throw to you can see why he tried to put team on his shoulders.

Anyway........

About that basketball game this Saturday, I'm not kidding myself SC is going to get hammered on Saturday. The bruins have too much depth and SC is playing too erratic for them to be competitive. There is an interesting article in the DN about the differences between the two programs.

Same game. Same city. Same conference.

Different worlds.

UCLA and USC play basketball a few miles apart. But their differences are significant in both style and substance.

Attend a home game for each program, as we did last Saturday, and the contrasts come into focus.

You want tradition? A cathedral as home court?

That's UCLA and Pauley Pavilion.

You want innovation? A cutting-edge arena?

That's USC and the Galen Center.

And it goes from there. Divergent playing styles, recruiting patterns, fan amenities, expectations ...

It's a good read and pretty on the mark. The fact is SC has a long way to go and this team needs to grow. I am not going to fool myself into thinking that SC is all of a sudden going to be a powerhouse in hoops but I'm also not going to be intimidated by ucla. They have yet to win a title under "no offense Ben" and while getting to back-to-back final fours is nice the clowns from across town who like to tout all those old banners in Pauley won't have anything to cheer about until BH brings one home.

This game is more important to us than it is too them but don't be fooled its not more important than any other game in the conference. SC has played well against top talent in the past only to fall short, for ucla this is just a bump in the road but it is a rivalry game and anything can happen.

Asked about the significance of playing the Bruins in his first season, the Trojans coach responded, "There's just no way in the world you can put forth any more effort than we've put in for Arizona or Arizona State or Washington State in terms of preparation."

A year later, after Floyd had split his first two games against UCLA counterpart Ben Howland, it was pretty much the same theme. "In the whole scheme of things," Floyd said, "it is another conference game that is very important because it's your next one."

Then there was this from Floyd on Monday: "We treat every game with great importance and they're all important in this league."

It's not that Floyd doesn't think Saturday's game against No. 4 UCLA at Pauley Pavilion is vital; it's just that he doesn't want to attach a disproportionate amount of significance to any one of his team's 18 regular-season Pacific 10 Conference games.

I will be more concerned about this team developing into a better unit, if we beat ucla great, if not I don't lose anything as it was expected but you never know.

AO will have his game preview up in the coming days so we will look at it more closely then.

I hope to have more later today.

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Chow at UCLA
Yawn.

Wake me when we play next December.

by Zoulou on Jan 16, 2008 8:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

bloody work
I can't speak for anyone else, but writing multi-month project plans based on 5 or 6 sentences in an email is sapping my will to live, far less post something pithy.

by DC Trojan on Jan 17, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same here..
I thought I had to travel to New Orleans but things changed because things are busy here. I will have some stuff up later today.

by Paragon SC on Jan 18, 2008 4:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
OK, you need a bit of something here...and I'll bite.

<They have yet to win a title under "no offense Ben" and while getting to back-to-back final fours is nice the clowns from across town who like to tout all those old banners in Pauley won't have anything to cheer about until BH brings one home.>

There's a lot wrong with this, and only one thing right: we have YET to win a title under Howland. However, we have lots to cheer about at Pauley even though Howland hasn't brought home no. 12. While we don't hang banners for FF appearances, we do cheer-and wildly-for winning basketball teams that have a good shot at the NCAA championship. Any serious college basketball fan knows that winning the basketball title requires a great team, great coaching, and a fair amount of luck-there is almost always at least one game that is a down-to-the-wire battle in which either team can win it. So the fact that UCLA has not won in Howland's tenure has not raised one eyebrow, considering that he took over after the first losing season in 50+ years, had a losing season his first year, and played without any kind of post scorer until this year. Howland has properly received a lot of credit for taking UCLA as far as we went with anemic interior scoring, and we lost twice to perhaps the only team that had the coaching and the matchups to beat us.

As for "no offense", we'll never be mistaken for Carolina or Memphis, but Howland coached Northern Arizona some time ago which led the nation in 3-pt percentage and was considered an offensive power. The guy didn't forget to coach offense, but with the talent he's had at UCLA, especially the void inside and the consistent youth at PG, he's kept a fairly tight rein on the offense and he values FG efficiency more than scoring. UCLA could run more-Collison, Westbrook, Mbah a Moute and Shipp can all run-but Howland prefers that the team take good shots rather than risk turnovers for the sake of pressing the pace. And the stats this year reflect UCLA's improved offense with a legit post option. Currently, UCLA ranks 5th in offense according to Pomeroy.
http://kenpom.com/rate.php

Additionally, here's UCLA's stats this year:
Pts Diff: +18.9
FG%: 49/40
3FG%: 35/32
Ass/TO Ratio: +1.2
Rebounds Diff: +10.1
FT%: 74

We don't put up 80 per game and and won't be among the top 20 teams in scoring, but with stats like these, anyone who wants to try to make the case that Howland can't coach offense is either lazy or wilfully ignorant. And ultimately, the point is to win, and regardless of whether UCLA is as much fun to wtach as North Carolina or some other run-and-gun teams, I'll take winning any day.

by ucladj89 on Jan 18, 2008 8:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh noes
Using data? Is that really fair?

by DC Trojan on Jan 18, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hook, Line and Sinker??
Heh...

I've said numerous times that I think this is the year BH wins it all, but if I'm wrong then what. This has to be the best team he's had to date and now that he has a big man in the middle that should be what puts him over the top. I do think he will have a tough time against Memphis, if they see them, because they have size and speed to counter ucla's style of play.

As for not being a "Serious" basketball fan, well I have been more than open that of the big 3 it is my least favorite sport but I do try and get into it and try to comment on in it in a way that doesn't make me look foolish.

I get it that ucla has something great to cheer about again in regards to hoops after the Lavin years, that's fine. But while it may come from you there are a number of fans that act as if there is a sense of entitlement because of those banners from long ago. As I have repeatedly said its about the hear and now not what happened 10, 20 or even 30 years ago, what I mean.

As for the "No Offense" crack, its just that a gratuitous crack meant to poke fun at BH just some call our coach "Timmeh" or "Pink".

by Paragon SC on Jan 18, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Offense has suffered
Because until this year, UCLA hasn't had a true big man.  And wasn't that Howland's rep at Pitt -- defense and big men.

And you win in college basketball with defense. Anyway, Calipari has yet to win a title.  Why aren't more people all over him?

by Zoulou on Jan 18, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're wrong, so what...
Although there are unreasonable fans of UCLA (as there are of any program) I always felt that the MSM always made far more out of the "unreasonable expectations" of UCLA fans than actually exists. I am well aware of the story after UCLA won in '75 that a fan told Wooden that he had to win to make up for the loss in '74, and that qualifies as a statement of expectations. But nowadays, after the years of relative underachievement relieved by only one title in '95, I know of NO (and I am not exaggerating) UCLA fans who believe that UCLA is "entitled" to banners in Pauley. Hearing Dukie V and Steve-16 Lavin always knocking UCLA fans for their unrealistic expectations in that regard always pissed me off, because it was ignorant and defensive, especially coming from Lavin. UCLA fans don't "expect" titles-but we do expect UCLA to produce teams that play for titles and don't get beat in exhibition games at Pauley. There is no reason why UCLA was not at the same level as Duke and Carolina through the 90's, except we were coached in the latter half of the decade and the first part of this one by a guy who could not coach.

The NCAA tournament is a crapshoot. Anyone can win any game, except a 16 seed (so far.) Even if UCLA fails to win the NCAA title this year, I think most UCLA fans would be disappointed but accepting, depending on who we lose to and how. If its a loss on a half-court buzzer beater by a team that gets unconscious shooting, well, it happens. If we lose a close one in the finals to Kansas, well, it happens. If its a 20 point beatdown by East Tennessee or some other directional school, that is another story. Point is, all you can ask for as a fan is that your team be regularly in a position to win a title, and that is what Howland has done for UCLA. Which is why even if he doesn't bring home a banner for a few more years, as long as UCLA is in the hunt Bruins will be cheering for him and UCLA.

by ucladj89 on Jan 18, 2008 1:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've always found Lavin's comments odd
Because not only did UCLA give him one of the best jobs in the nation after he ... um ... what exactly did he do to deserve the job? ... they gave him more than a few chances to succeed.  

To be fair, the UCLA Athletic Department has been patient with their hires.  Both Lavin and Dorrell were given fair shots, they couldn't do it.  Lavin is where is is today solely because UCLA gave him a chance.

As for Dickie V ... the man is a clown.  Literally ... I happen to like clowns, they are fun and they make me laugh, and Dickie V seems fun and at times makes me laugh, but I don't take him seriously.  

Besides, he has his head so far up Duke's and Coach K's ass I'm surprised he's even noticed that there are other college basketball programs.

by Zoulou on Jan 18, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking about unreasonable expectations
You forgot to mention the spoiled fans at USC that booed their team, and demanded that Booty be benched  after it lost a game this year.  Booty was only 19-3 in 2 seasons, and I guess that isn't good enough.  ucla has a lot to cheer about with the 2 FF appearances.

  The mens basketball tournament is one of the most difficult contests in all of sports.  65 teams, and 1 loss elimination, means that anyone at any time can be knocked out.  Just getting to the FF is a huge accomplishment, and its something for the team and fans to be proud of.

by frak on Jan 19, 2008 2:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beg to differ...Respectfully

As you said there a are within ALL fan bases that have unrealistic expectations. But there is a certain aspect of the fan base that considers ucla "The Standard" in NCAA Hoops and they happen to be the most vocal. That's an awfully bold statement when the last title won was 13 years ago and before that it was 20.

I think it's cool that you guys have something to cheer about in the sport that you are known for, just like SC in football, but that means that some will put those expectations way too high based on that past performance.

As for Lavin, he's is a human being who is affected by the same things that you and I are and it would not surprise me that he is bitter at the way he was treated, you said:

Lavin got the job because he was in the right place at the right time after Harrick got axed. IIRC Mark Gottfried had already left when the Harrick issue arose (probably Harrick's best and most experienced assistant) and Lavin was the only assistant who stepped up to take the interim label.

If ucla is "The Standard" then to use one of my own quotes "is that the best you can do?" He may have been interim but ucla didn't have to keep him they could have done a search but that's not how it turned out. Sounds like some in the Morgan Center were asleep at the switch in not recognizing that Lavin was not qualified to be at the helm.

More interesting was the Morgan Center not schooling Lavin in the "tradition" of ucla hoops that could have kept him out of trouble. That's where most of his problems and hence his bitterness comes from.

I realize that because I didn't attend either of these schools so I am probably either missing something or not understanding all the history, tradition and lore that those who attended went through. I'm jaded, as the only tradition I lived through was crossing the equator while being in the navy and that was one of the most degrading things I ever went through so I guess in my eyes tradition is overrated and has absolutely no bearing on the here and now.

by Paragon SC on Jan 19, 2008 5:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still you must admit
That a championship appearance followed up with a final four appearance is very impressive in todays college basketball with all the attrition going on.

by frak on Jan 20, 2008 1:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve-16
Lavin got the job because he was in the right place at the right time after Harrick got axed. IIRC Mark Gottfried had already left when the Harrick issue arose (probably Harrick's best and most experienced assistant) and Lavin was the only assistant who stepped up to take the interim label. After a shaky start, I think his first game we suffered the "Maples Massacre", a 49-point blowout to Stanford, we did very well and went to the Elite 8. I guess the adminstration thought he would grow into the job since he was a good self-promoter and seemed to know what he was doing.

Not a good hire, but regardless of his limited coaching skills, he also had PR problems because he never could deal with the UCLA tradition. That inability caused him to lash out at UCLA fans and make those lame comments about how UCLA fans wouldn't be happy without banners and they were unrealistic. Compare Lavin's approach to Howland's-he always acknowledges the legacy of Wooden and how UCLA is about banners, but he embraces that legacy and the challenge of winning titles. He has never complained or whined about that challenge, which is a big part of the reason Lavin still is despised at UCLA even though he usually is very complimentary toward UCLA while broadcasting.

Dukie V...well, your take is spot-on.

by ucladj89 on Jan 18, 2008 2:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly
Is that Lavin had done nothing ever to deserve to be a head coach for a tradition ladened program other than be at the right place at the right time.

by Zoulou on Jan 18, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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