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Pinkard Arrested for DUI


Come on, you're kidding me right? It's too bad that the off-season could not stay uneventful. I'm sorry, but there is simply no excuse for this. I mean we have all been schooled and counseled not to drink and drive and yet it still happens.

From Gary Klein at the LAT:

Pinkard, a junior from Oxnard, was arrested May 18 at 3:44 a.m. after a California Highway Patrol officer noticed a car swerving as it traveled from the eastbound Pomona Freeway to the northbound Long Beach Freeway, CHP spokesman Bill Preciado said.

Pinkard, 21, gave a breath sample after he was stopped and another after he was taken to the CHP's East Los Angeles station, according to Preciado. The CHP report identified Pinkard as a USC student, though not a football player.

Pinkard could not be reached for comment. He was a starter last season and was injured in the opener against Arkansas and missed the rest of the season after reconstructive knee surgery.

I understand that Coach Carroll wants to handle it internally but if Pinkard is found guilty then he has to sit some games. If not then it sets a bad example, this is a big deal as some innocent bystander could have been injured or killed. And just because there wasn't anyone else involved doesn't make it any less of an issue.

We railed bruin kicker Justin Medlock over his DUI and walking away from the scene of an accident so we need to take the same stance. Though I remember a comment thread somewhere that attempted to marginalize Medlock's situation because instead of leaving the scene "he was actually going to get help" whatever.

This is one of those issues that has an actual cause and effect in our society so Coach Carroll needs to help set the example if Pinkard is found guilty. This isn't about hearsay or innuendo as the authorities obviously had all they needed to make an arrest so we shouldn't say lets wait and see. This is one of those times where the evidence is collected at the scene.

Agin, if Pinkard is guilty then he should sit out some games to send a message. Things have been relatively quiet and addressing it head on will put it to bed.

We'll see how it goes.

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Agreed
How fucking hard is it to grasp that you either don't drink, or get someone else to drive? The only good thing here is that he didn't injure or kill anyone.

He can give that some thought while he's riding the pine.

by DC Trojan on May 30, 2007 6:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still dumb kids
look, we're talking about a group of 85 young men, who will do dumb things just like other students will. The hazards of drinking and driving have been hammered home on kids for the past 30 years, but nothing can ever halt human folly. This is not an excuse, and the offense is real, but 18-22 year-old-men are especially prone to stupid actions (and I speak from personal experience) that occasionally result in criminal actions. I believe you are generally correct in your thoughts regarding appropriate discipline.

Also, do disagree re your comments on Medlock. He did walk away from the accident, and was initially charged with that, but IIRC as the facts came out it was shown that he left for the reasons he gave-to summon help. That is why the charge was dropped and he ultimately pled only to the DUI. It was hardly "marginalizing" Medlock's situation to simply point out that while he deservedly was punished for the DUI, the more sensational comments regarding his actions were incorrect and unfair.  

by ucladj89 on May 30, 2007 8:19 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clarification...
The marginalizing I was speaking of was in regards to a comparison to the Maualuga incident. Some actually thought that because Rey is bigger that he should know better. To those I would say that 18-22 y/o's get into fights regardless of their size welcome to life, there are plenty of bullies out there and there isn't much you can do about it.

I will say this though, we weren't there so we don't know what happened, for all we know the guy was mouthing off and Rey took offense. Right or wrong there is big difference in getting into a fight and POSSIBLY hurting the other guy seriously because you are bigger versus getting into a car under the influence, with another passenger, and having an accident and seriously injuring the passenger as happened in the Medlock incident.

Both Medlock and Pinkard are Morons for not knowing better and BOTH should have the same punishment.

by Paragon SC on May 30, 2007 8:40 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
Pinkard needs to be punished.  A small thing about the article that surprised me is that the arrest seems to have happened almost two weeks ago, and it sounds like Carroll only found out about it when he was asked by a reporter.  

Not only does this seem like the kind of thing where word would make its way to Carroll, you'd think that Josh would have spoken to one of the coaches about it.  It's not like people weren't going to notice that it had happened.

Then again, it seems like it took about two weeks for the story to even make it to the reporters, so I guess it's a little less surprising that Carroll hadn't found out yet.

by Boy Howdy on May 30, 2007 8:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know what that means...
there be will calls of "a lack of institutional control" and the "inmates running the asylum" and such.

I'm won't even speculate as to why Coach Carroll didn't know. none of my business but it does seem odd.

by Paragon SC on May 30, 2007 9:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

institutional control
were the DUI an isolated incident, then I think the "lack of institutional control" would be a silly claim. However, even the most devout Carroll adherent must acknowledge that the number of football players who have been involved in criminal actions, potentially criminal actions, and actions involving serious lapses in judgment that resulted in charges dropped or not filed seems to be higher than what one sees at other schools, and the issue is therefore a legitimate one to raise. Personally, I find the Bush allegations more troubling as far as raising the "lack of institutional control" issue than a garden-variety DUI in which nobody got hurt, although I am sure that ultimately the Bush allegations will lead to nothing.

PC (or Dorrell, for that matter) is not a 24/7 presence for these kids, especially during the off-season, during finals or shortly after finals were completed. I don't find it too shocking that he didn't know about the DUI for a couple of weeks if Pinkard didn't tell him immediately-and that is hardly an unlikely scenario.  

A short suspension is warranted, probably a game and nothing more. Hopefully the kid will learn from his mistake.

by ucladj89 on May 30, 2007 10:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is a lack of institutional control?

I pretty much agree with all that you have said in the comment above DJ89. I have been very critical of the bone-headed moves that some of the players have made to the point that some thought I was too critical (re: Sanchez).

But your comment here is exactly my point:

PC (or Dorrell, for that matter) is not a 24/7 presence for these kids, especially during the off-season, during finals or shortly after finals were completed.

These guys do know the difference between right and wrong so at some point they need to act like adults and try to have some modicum of self-control.  We may disagree on whether PC is tough enough in the discipline dept as it is his call, but in the end if these kids used their heads for something more than a hat rack this conversation is moot.

I would agree that Character is important but we really don't know what's in a persons heart until the chips are down.

Also as you said:

However, even the most devout Carroll adherent must acknowledge that the number of football players who have been involved in criminal actions, potentially criminal actions, and actions involving serious lapses in judgment that resulted in charges dropped or not filed seems to be higher than what one sees at other schools, and the issue is therefore a legitimate one to raise.

Something that often gets lost in this discussion is that we don't know really what happened at some of these instances. I was more pissed off that Sanchez used a fake ID to get into a bar, that clearly showed intent, than the whole sexual assault thing as I knew there was more to the story and that it probably never happened. Accusations like that are often treated like nuclear warfare, as once someone accuses someone of it they are immediately on the defensive. As a practicing JD, I know you're not on the criminal side of things, I'm sure you have heard more than your share of stories of over zealous cops and prosecutors. SC being as high profile as it is would be a great trophy to hang on ones mantle if they could bag a player doing something stupid. To me it's more like shoot first ask questions later. Maybe the charges were dropped because there was never anything there but the player is now stained like in Rey's case for nothing more that getting into a fight. Big deal, I've seen more than my fair share of donnybrooks in my younger years so to me it's no big deal.

Menelaus, AKA KC Trojan AKA SC Rock AKA Baker4SC AKA OC Phil, or whatever his name is, likes to keep a running tab of all the goings on in regards to SC's off-field issues yet not one incident has been proven as fact. Wright's dismissal from the team was a clear indication that SC will address bad behavior as needed. Being possession of a dangerous substance was enough for the school to ask him to leave. The other "legal issues" have never amounted to much other than to serve as fodder for those who have an axe to grind.

So again, not to start flame thread but I have yet to have anyone tell me what "lack of Institutional control" is.

by Paragon SC on May 30, 2007 11:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the $64K question
Sometimes I think it's like obscenity: you know it when you see it. That would explain why some unnamed individuals look at the disciplinary equivalent of an early 60s Playboy and act like it's something from Fisting and Latex Monthly.

More seriously though, I think it means how good the team and university are about catching the things that they should be catching - and an offseason DUI, while disgraceful, is lower on that list.

To UCLAJD89's point about the Bush unpleasantness, it's a question of whether or not the university should have been able to deduce that there was hidden malarkey. You can debate that all you want, but it's significant that there was real clampdown since the Bush allegations on the freedom of movement for non-team members around team facilities, and especially so for agents. That to me was the sign of an athletic department that was making sure that their practices at least superficially matched their obligations.

by DC Trojan on May 30, 2007 1:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what is institutional control?
Per the NCAA rulebook:"The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative or faculty control by the two shall constitute institutional control."

I am not sure that you are being fair to the off-field transgressions that are raised by 'SC haters. As I wrote earlier, I see the Bush allegations as going more to the issue of institutional control as extra benefits to a player or a player's family create a competitive imbalance. I know that nothing has been "proven", but the Bush family reaped enormous benefits, and Reggie Bush probably did as well, while Reggie was a student at USC. Note that I am not saying that anything showing knowledge on the part of Carrol or USC of the benefits has been shown-and it is almost certain that knowledge by USC or Carrol never will be shown and there never will be any NCAA action over this issue. But take the Bush situation, throw in the chump change issue of Jarrett's rent being paid and the outline of a case for a lack of institutional control by USC start to take shape, since it is unlikely (not impossible, just unlikely) that these benefits were provided without Carroll or anyone else in the athletic department knowing. A few more incidents of this sort, particularly if the player can't satisfy the settlement demands of the accusing party a la Reggie Bush, and a legitimate case of lack of institutional control is brought.

The criminal/semi-criminal/lapses in judgment by various USC players tend less to the "institutional control" exercised by USC and more to the character of the players themselves, and by extension the program. I did a little (by no means comprehensive) research and found no instances where criminal conduct of players (excluding gambling) resulted in a finding of a lack of institutional control. Perhaps it is one of those fine-sounding phrases that people use imprecisely to characterize their impression of a program run amok rather than using the phrase as it was intended. In USC's case, my not-completely-fair assessment tells me that it is lame to claim (as some have) that USC is somehow responsible for the criminal activities of its players-one may as well tell a resident of San Diego that he is somehow responsible when a San Diegan commits a crime. What USC is responsible for, however, is meting out discipline and setting standards for its players.

You already know that while I don't see the occasional criminal/idiotic action by any individual player as proving the existence of much of anything other than piss-poor judgment by a typical college kid, much less an out-of-control program, at USC or anywhere else, I do believe that Carrol does not provide the level of discipline to his players that would result in fewer of these incidents. From my outside but not wholly disinterested perspective, I just don't see the willingness to administer strong discipline to the miscreants. Maybe Carroll would do well to remember Voltaire and shoot a few admirals to encourage the rest.

I don't see the USC football program as a criminal enterprise or as Miami of the West, but I would think that some of the issues that have come up, specifically the Bush issue, should raise red flags. While I do not wish USC well, I certainly don't want them to end up with players like the fabulous Lawrence Phillips, or see Carroll reduced to Switzer-esque levels of condoning/tolerating criminality by his players. USC isn't anywhere near that level of rottenness, but if the off-field stuff continues at its current rate, and the discipline remains soft IMHO, USC could find itself compared in a couple of years, and reasonably so, to Oklahoma under Switzer or Nebraska in Osborne's last years.

by ucladj89 on May 30, 2007 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should just do away with the offseason
Give the fans more football, and the players less time to do something stupid.  The list of people who would benefit is pretty huge.

On an honest note tho, this needs to be dealt with.  A DUI isn't a joke, and at least in my opinion is a big deal.  Some sort of punishment needs to be issued, and it needs to be something visible.  I don't want Pinkard to be a martyr.  But I also don't want him (or anyone) drinking and driving.  As the son of a recently elected Justice of the Peace, its a lot bigger deal (and much more frequent occurence) than I thought.  It should be dealt with accordingly.

That's my 2 cents.

Fight on!!! Beat the Vandals!!!

by USCLink on May 30, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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