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Nice Pull...

Well as far as I am concerned football season ended yesterday. Pete Carroll and his staff did a great job of pulling in a pretty good recruiting class that lacked any star power at either the QB or RB position. This recruiting class was all about needs. The offensive and defensive lines were the most important issues that needed to be addressed. Defensive backs were also a need and SC did and adequate job in addressing some of those needs.

With a late flourish, USC managed to finish seventh in the Rivals.com rankings. However, the Trojans could slip a spot if the nation's No. 1 player, Terrelle Pryor, signs with Ohio State or Michigan.

Either way, a top-10 finish is not bad, although it is the lowest-ranked class for Carroll since 2001. Scout.com was particularly unimpressed with the class, ranking it 13th.

"There's no quarterback or running back, but I really feel like we're in the top three," Carroll said.

We did miss out on some skill position players like Will Hill- Florida, Chris Polk- Washington and Patrick Johnson- LSU just to name a few, but that happens. Losing Joe Adams to Arkansas doesn't look like a real big surprise to the coaching staff as Pete Carroll noted here:

Carroll said Adams' decision to sign with Arkansas was not entirely unexpected.

"We just knew it was going to be a struggle the whole time," he said. "A kid really has to be strong about it to leave and know what he wants to do. . . . At the end it just was too hard for him to leave."

Missing out on some other players like Arthur Brown- Miami, or Jerrell Harris- Alabama is disappointing but with PC's ability to even be in the hunt for these out of state recruits shows just how strong he is when it comes to recruiting. PC pulled both T.J. Bryant and Nick Perry out of state, Bryant being he real surprise as PC broke the chain of kids from Lincoln High School in Tallahassee that always ended up at Florida State. Perry was the second player that PC was able to get out of Michigan for a second straight year.

If you care about rankings than you'll like to know that a number of the so-called "recruiting experts" thought that both the offensive and defensive line signee's were the best in the country when taken as a whole. Pete Carroll called it "a big class" in reference to their size.

Pete Carroll called it "the big class."

But not in numbers. The "big" in the 2008 football recruiting class USC signed Wednesday describes a 19-man group that's top-heavy with 10 large linemen.

"A little bit different year," Carroll said of a close-to-top-10 class, depending on the recruiting service.

The Trojans, who have been No. 1 in the nation in four of the past five seasons according to most rankings, still could finish as the best in the Pac-10, despite the smallest numbers of any top-25 class (equaled only by Ohio State).

As I noted yesterday, it's easy to get caught up in all the hype, but regardless with the "low numbers" of this class that PC has put them into a top-10 spot is pretty remarkable. Sure, the top teams listed in the rankings grabbed some pretty good talent in their right but a lot of those classes had over 25 or even 30 players signed so the quantity aspect of judging talent was more prevalent in those cases. Either way this class looks to be solid based on the numbers that the recruiting services have thrown about. I would prefer to wait until these kids take the field to see how they will perform but I am happy with the result so far.

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Signing Day Open Thread

What the heck I'll do as best as I can.

From WeAreSC

6:00 AM - Norcross (GA) Norcross wide receiver Brice Butler has officially sent in his letter-of-intent, the very first one of the day.

7:45 AM - D.J. Shoemate, Armond Armstead, Brian Baucham, Tyron Smith, Matt Kalil and Drew McAllister have all faxed in their letters-of-intent.

I'll update as I can.

Update [2008-2-6 11:25:49 by Paragon SC]: Looks like Joe Adams changed his mind and decided to stay in Arkansas. I had a bad feeling about this on 2 fronts, 1) SC wanted him as a corner not a receiver and 2) Ryan Mallet transferring from Michigan. Hearing rumors on Nick Perry Commiting to SC that would be a great get. (confirmed on WeAreSC)

Update [2008-2-6 11:42:3 by Paragon SC]: KABOOOOOOOOM! Confirmed, Nick Perry does pick SC that is a great get for PC! The D Line will be in much better shape!

Update [2008-2-6 12:17:17 by Paragon SC]: From USCRipsit.com

More signees 02-06-2008 9:09 a.m. Here are the letters of intent the Trojan football office has received in the last hour:

- Offensive lineman Daniel Campbell
- Defensive lineman Wes Horton
- Defensive lineman Malik Jackson
- Tailback Curtis McNeal
- Linebacker Maurice Simmons
- Defensive lineman Jurrell Casey
- Defensive lineman Nick Perry

Update [2008-2-6 12:38:57 by Paragon SC]: WOW! PC pulls in T. J. Bryant that’s a great get.

Update [2008-2-6 15:8:17 by Paragon SC]: Jerrell Harris goes to Alabama. Not surprising, we will be a little thin at LB after next year. Oh well can’t get them all. Still waiting on Kavienga

Update [2008-2-6 21:44:58 by Paragon SC]: Kavienga announces for USC. The class is pretty much complete. I will have a write up later on tomorrow.

Great Class!

FIGHT ON!

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Recruiting Rankings = Sham

With the carnage about to ensue today in regards to recruiting there are a couple of articles in the local press as to where USC will finish today. I'll get to those in a minute but more important was the piece I saw over at the Wizard of Odds the other day that to me really says it all.

Here's the truth about recruiting rankings: It's all a bunch of horsecrap.

Everybody and their grandmother are consumed with them at the moment, but in this corner of cyberspace, we've never considered this exercise anything other than somebody trying to sell you something. Save your money, people! The so-called recruiting gurus miss more than 50% of the time.

Last season, Rivals had only 11 of the top 25 teams averaging a recruiting class of 25th or better from 2003 to 2007. Scout didn't do any better, also missing on 14 teams.

A year earlier, Rivals had 13 of the top 25 finishers with a top 25 class from 2002 to 2006. Scout had one fewer at 12.

In regards to USC it make us pump our chests out when we sign top talent. Without that talent its very hard to win let alone compete for an MNC. But as I have noted before talent will only get you so far as coaching is the key to developing that raw talent. As the talent develops you need to bring it all together so that it's firing on all cylinders. Pete Carroll is one of the best at doing just that but he is not perfect and sometimes he falls short.

I have a hard time evaluating 17-18 year old kids based on what some recruiting magazine says or by watching clips on YouTube. I just don't see it as an accurate assessment of how these kids will perform at the next level. Full disclosure I subscribe to some of the premium recruiting sites more for general name recognition and player Bio's more than anything else. I have never, because I'm not interested in doing so, written a piece about how a particular player is rated or such simply because it's just too hard to gauge how well the player will do.

Sure it's great for the ego when SC is ranked in the top 3-year in and year out but how have those recruiting classes developed or performed in the years to follow? To me that is the best gauge of good a recruiting class is. Again, as I have noted in the past I am more concerned about quality and filling needs than raking in numbers. I thought it was a mistake for PC to go after so many RB's last year as there were surely other needs that needed to be met.

I trust in Pete Carroll but he is not infallible and when he does its not hard to see how there are some who are practically throwing themselves off a building because they don't necessarily like the results. PC is already taking some heat on some of the message boards with this recruiting class and its not even signed yet. Some the overlying concerns like PC's continued flirtation with NFL is a legitimate criticism the Reggie Bush situation, as it stands now, is not.

Wolf has a pretty good article today looking at this year's class.

[F]lorida definitely pinched USC nationally, with wide receiver-safety Will Hill of Jersey City, N.J., and defensive tackle Omar Hunter of Buford, Ga., two of the biggest losses.

"When you don't land a high-ranked person across the board, it hurts you," Burton said.

USC did score some victories, however, with tight end Blake Ayles of Orange Lutheran one of the best.

"Blake Ayles, in my opinion, is the best tight end in the United States," Wallace said.

Something else happened locally. USC got caught off-guard last spring when UCLA offered scholarships to many high-school juniors USC was still evaluating. That caused USC to lose out on a couple local commitments.

"What happened was Florida sealed them off on some guys they normally get and UCLA stole a couple guys early, so it hurt," said a Pacific-10 Conference coach who did not wish to be identified.

Fair points, sometimes you need to change your approach to keep ahead of the curve, PC may have been caught a little flatfooted in regards to early commits but he definitely rebounded in regards to 2009 class. I do think his continued interest in the NFL will hurt him as long as he continues to show interest. Other coaches will always use that against him. The Bush mess will continue to be an issue until the final ruling is in so that's out of our hands.

The pride factor is sure to piss some people off as some of our local and national rivals put together some pretty good classes. (this is best article of the bunch)

USC will not finish No. 1 when the national signing day results are in, as it has in four of the past five years.

The Trojans almost certainly won't finish in the top five, as they did the other year, and may not crack the top 10, although ESPN.com has USC at No. 8 nationally with Florida, Miami (Fla.) and Georgia the top three.

And to make things look even worse, they'll almost surely be somewhere behind archrival Notre Dame, predicted to finish as high as No. 2 nationally, and with little separation from crosstown rival UCLA and three other Pac-10 programs: Oregon, Arizona State and Washington.

Now that's a change in the ways of the college football world, especially on the West Coast.

Over the past five seasons, if you take the top 10 recruits signed by Pac-10 teams in each of those years, USC had 40 of the top 50. The other nine Pac-10 teams divvied up the remaining 10.

Of course we all know recruiting is a dirty business as we have heard the stories of how Florida's Urban Meyer has handled things but should we really be surprised?

Some are already looking past the 2008 class and starting to focus on 2009. To me that's way too early but you need to roll with the changes.

More important for this class is that you can't count Pete Carroll out yet, he has been known to pull out a few surprises of his own.

USC expects to pick up at least 17 new players Wednesday when football recruits can sign letters of intent.

The Trojans' class could grow if several local or out-of-state players who have not made oral commitments announce they will join USC, but several recruiting experts said it would probably be Coach Pete Carroll's lowest-ranked class in five years because it lacks quantity as well as a quarterback and marquee running back.

[...]Several out-of-state players, among them defensive lineman Nick Perry of Michigan and linebacker Jerrell Harris of Alabama, also are considering the Trojans.

It should be interesting to see how the day unfolds. I will do my best to set up an open thread to watch the days activities.

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All's Fair...

Well you know recruiting season is close to the end with some of the weird things I'm reading.

From Dohn's Blog:

Looks like UCLA can forget about St. Bonaventure running back Darrell Scott. Coach Rick Neuheisel went to see him, but sources said Texas happened to be there, too, and UCLA was put off by that. Sources added UCLA pretty much decided to no longer pursue Scott.

That had to make to make Rick really happy!

Here a few from Wolf's Blog:

It Had To Happen

A USC commit from Southern California spoke to another school this week and one of the first topics that came up: Pete Carroll's interview with the Washington Redskins.

Keep Them Guessing

When safety D'Anton Lynn of Celina, Texas, showed up to take a picture at the Dallas Morning News, he arrived with a USC hat, Oklahoma hat and a Penn State sweatshirt. Lynn is officially considered a ``soft verbal'' for Penn State.

Then there's this doozie:

Chow did not pass the recruiting exam.

And this was why he did not go visit with Darrell Scott with RN.

This is from an impeccable source, and like it or not it does affect our ability to close on top offensive recruits to finish off this year.  You don't think sending Norm in to meet with Darrell Scott or Julio Jones would make a difference?   How about sealing the deal with Milton Knox?

I'm just pissed that we have such an amazing OC and we can't use him to our fullest extent.  If a mod is deleting this, that's crap.  I'd rather see you post in the same thread and refute it, but I know what I know and it's from a connection directly into the Chow family and UCLA.

Now I'm not sure about that last one but it just goes to show you just how nutty recruiting season can get. I'm sure it will get even more crazy before signing day on Wednesday.

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As the Recruiting World Turns


I don't follow too much recruiting news during this part of the season. Too many things can happen and the last minute flurry of activity can spawn all sorts of rumors. That being said there have been some interesting things that have been happening over the past couple of weeks so I thought I would throw my .2 cents in.

Earlier this evening I saw a report that USC commit Chris Polk de-committed from USC and committed to UW. Now this sort of stuff happens all the time, we saw it last season with James Wilson De-committing from SC to play at UF. But I find it interesting that after Willingham dodged a bullet by keeping his job, which cost the UW AD his job, that Ty had a spark of life out there and went after one of SC's early commits.

Last week 5-star JUCO receiver Carl Moore committed to UF after supposedly giving USC a "silent" verbal then changed his mind when UF offered Moore's girlfriend a gymnastics scholarship. Urban Meyer really pulls out all the stops, as it has also been reported that that Meyer is bringing Pastor Tebow to a home visit with USC prospect Arthur Brown. I'll give him points for originality.

Bobby Petrino going to Arkansas will put an interesting twist in the battle for Arkansas standout Joe Adams. Adams committed to USC a couple of months ago but don't think that Petrino won't also pull out all the stops to try and get that Arkansas home grown talent back into the fold. After Petrino's despicable treatment of the Atlanta Falcons I know exactly how SC will counter Petrino's advances on Adams.

The news isn't all bad though. The coaching uncertainty across town has made a few bruin commits reconsider their commitment to ucla. One of those is Derrick Coleman who while still committed to ucla is reconsidering and is looking hard at USC.

Who knows how it will all end up, but it all the drama makes for some interesting reading. USC is in a tough spot they have a ton of talent on its depth chart so they will lose out on some these kids who commit after they take a second look. SC is not for everyone, Moody transferred when he felt that he was being ignored. There have been other rumors that a few SC players will transfer after the season because of playing time and such. Some kids don't want to compete once they see the talent that SC has amassed, others will step up thinking they can break in, those are the types of kids SC wants and we will make the most out them.

You can't stay on top forever but SC sure does try

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Football Recruiting Update

As USCLink noted in the diaries tight end Blake Ayles (6-4, 255) announced his commitment to USC today.

From WeAreSC:

"The last couple weeks I've been breaking down schools, looking at them, and my decision is the University of Southern California," said Ayles, who was recently named to the ESPN Top 150 list.

"I like how they compete at USC. They say practices are harder than the games and that sounds like a lot of fun to me. I've got two former teammates, Aaron Corp and Michael Reardon, who have been on me every day trying to get me to come up there."

This a good verbal for SC.

SC also added JUCO Kicker Joe Houston from El Camino College. Houston will enter the fall semester as a preferred walk-on.

Houston (5-9, 175) prepped at Mira Costa HS in Manhattan Beach where he finished his HS career making his last 15 field goals in a row. He had six field goals over 40 yards. He hit on 21 of 24 field goals and 154 of 157 extra points.

Joe then headed to El Camino where he was named Special Teams Player of the Year as a freshman for the #2 team in the nation. He was also a unanimous All-Conference selection.

Coach Carroll talked to Joe last spring about possibly enrolling at USC in the fall and Joe was able to complete the necessary academic requirements to be admitted to the university in time for fall camp.

The only reason he is coming is because of the loss of Mario Danelo.

4-Star DT Armond Armstead will make his commitment decision on July 30th.

"I'm going to announce my decision on Monday, July 30th," said Armstead.  "It (the announcement) will be at 7 PM at Table 260, which is one of my favorite restaurants.  Its going to be family, friends, people from my past and some my pop-warner coaches."

"I've got some schools I am keeping in mind," he said.  "My top schools right now are Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, Texas A&M, USC and Oregon.  Those are the only schools I`m considering right now."

This kid is a stud and SC is in a good place to land him.

Earlier this month 4-Star OL Daniel Campbell committed to USC over Florida, and LSU.

"It was important to me to be part of a winning program and USC has been on top for several years. I also liked the atmosphere when I went out there for the camp. The coaches are real positive and they get you fired up to play. They are bringing in a real good offensive line recruiting class too and I just think I fit in real well there."

As I have said many times in the past I'll be happy when they sign the LOI but it looks like SC is putting together another solid class for 2008.

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Drew McAllister makes early commitment to USC

Drew McAllister made an early (oral) commitment to USC for the 08 season. ESPN ($) was reporting that he had committed as a quarterback - the position he plays at Monte Vista HS in Danville - but he is looking to play at safety.

According to the Tri-Valley Herald, McAllister plans to play as QB this year, but is hoping to mix in some time on the defensive side on the ball - last season he played cornerback occasionally.

The person twist for this one is that McAllister's family is pretty solidly Cal people:

With two parents who attended Cal, Monte Vista High football player Drew McAllister grew up a dyed-in-the-wool fan of Golden Bears football.

But, when faced with the choice of where to continue his football career, not even a childhood full of Saturdays spent cheering in Strawberry Canyon could sway him from the allure of the bright lights of Los Angeles.

McAllister said Monday that he has orally committed to play at USC. He said that he chose the Trojans from a final list that came down to USC and Cal, and said that he informed USC coach Pete Carroll of his decision on Sunday night.

"Both my parents went to Cal, and my dad played at Cal," McAllister said. "I have a lot of family in Los Angeles. Both my aunts, both my grandparents, both my godparents live there, so it's an area I'm familiar with. I like the school, I like the coaches and the way they coach, and their enthusiasm."

As Paragon is apt to say, it's only real when someone puts pen to paper, but I do like the idea of someone with speed and offensive smarts playing in the secondary. As our good friends in the SEC know, speed kills on defense, so here's hoping.

Welcome, Drew McAllister, and Fight On!

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Quick Recruing Update

As I said earlier this week Pete Carroll keeps feeding the machine, his latest commit is Wes Horton (6-5.5, 236) from Notre Dame High in Sherman Oaks.

From We are SC:

I just like their philosophy on things. I went to their Junior-Day (Feb. 24) and just hearing Coach Carroll and talking to my d-line coach, motivated me to commit. I just loved it a lot up there. I just want to be a part of something special, be a part of one of the best teams in the nation and I want to be a part of the winning tradition--plus I'm staying close to home."

Horton not only wants to be a part of the winning tradition at USC, the lack of depth at the defensive end position after the 2007 season, will provide him an opportunity to compete for early playing time.

"They're losing five defensive ends, so I thought it would be a good opportunity for to get in there and play as soon as possible. But I know it's going to be competitive up there.

With all the DE's that SC is losing at the end of next season he ability to start is greatly increased.

But to me here is the kicker, Horton's dad played for UCLA during the Vermeil era but heading to Westwood was not even an option.

Although Horton's father, Myke, played football for Dick Vermeil at UCLA, he realized he wouldn't be a Bruin legacy after attending UCLA's Junior-Day.

"When I was at the junior-day, there was really nothing that opened my eyes," Horton said. "I had been to UCLA quite a few times and I really didn't see anything new, and nothing that motivated me to go their school."

Really...No S***!

Utterly freakin' amazing!

No surprise there as our friends from across town continue to wallow in the mediocrity of the current regime. Pete Carroll continues to build a great program for the future. With five commits for the 2008 season he is off to a fast start in the recruiting wars for 2008.

Fight On Pete!

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So what happened with McKnight?

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I got a kick out of a comment on Wolf's Blog earlier this evening: "As the Coliseum Turns". It is beginning to feel like a soap opera.

Pete Carroll is denying any wrong-doing and until someone shows me any wrongdoing his word is good enough for me. I'm not going to continually walk around being scared of my shadow every time some potential discrepancy comes up on the radar. After a while you get the feeling a lot of this attention is just because of how successful we have been. It happens every where so why should this be different.

That's about how it feels. Who knows what the story is here, but I do know I won't be commenting on it in either direction until I know what the full story is. Based on PC's Cowherd interview and comments in the local media it does appear that there are two different stories, who knows? The way things play out these days I wouldn't be surprised if LSU AND ND were behind all this. Recruiting is a dirty business.

I have seen all sorts of stories about what this coach did or what that coach did and after a while you just sit back and laugh. College football is at an all time high in terms of popularity and we have some great games that have launch the interest in this sport to new levels. With that increased interest come the focus on all of the other aspects of the sport. An the one that feed the machine so-to-speak is recruiting, so much that all of the major site are even tracking juniors in high school and there is a Story on BON about offering scholarships to Sophomores. Now that’s just unreal.

We end up selling our souls for these kids when they aren’t equipped enough to make normal teenager decisions and put them into situations that spin out of control. Of course it is compounded when the fan base calls a kid stupid when he doesn’t make a decision that is their favor and questions his or his parents intelligence when the decision is made. I especially loved the remark that I saw elsewhere that questioned McKnight’s smarts about picking USC because of the Annenberg School. The kid knows that this is THE best school of its kind and just because it’s at SC he is considered stupid for picking a school that would further his education which is what a lot of the complaints about SC are about, We're not smart enough, Blah, Blah, Blah. You can’t have it both ways. Freaking hypocritical and Moronic!

I do know that it could have well been confusion on McKnight as the heat of the moment was pretty wild at the time of his announcement, I mean come on, he's is the top rated player in the country, of course it will be a circus. So as I head out this week on business I will watch from the cheap seats to see how it all plays out.

Regardless of how it all turns out you can already hear the screaming about SC being a bunch of cheaters and the like, oh well it wouldn't be a normal day if SC weren't called out on something. Life's a bitch when not on top, or put another way unless you're the lead dog the view is petty much the same.

Should be fun to watch!

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Recruiting Wrap Up

What, Me Worry...Nah!
Photo: ESPN.com
So we put the UCLA game behind us and do a little celebratin' as once again Pete Carroll pulls down another top recruiting class. All the letters-of-intent are in and the Boards have spoken.

With SC grabbing the three top prospects, depending on whom you ask, in the country they clearly have one of the best recruiting classes this year and probably the best in Pete Carroll's tenure by shear numbers alone. Some have been wondering why we went after all the top running backs out there? Well, that answer is simple, SC goes after top athletes and plugs them into places where they are needed. That has been his trick to success. Pete Carroll also may add Arkansas QB Mitch Mustain which would be the icing on the cake. You can never have enough talented QB's. I know about all the issues with his parents but that's the price you pay for top fight talent sometimes and there isn't a better person to handle that situation than Pete Carroll.

Recruiting is tough business as we all know and there have already been stories out there about the negative recruiting tactics that ALL the coaches use; ok, maybe not the guy from across town, I'm just kidding ;-). Its part of the game like it or not, there is a certain amount of gamesmanship that goes on and either you have the stomach for it or you don't. These kids know how to work the system too, with over-zealous parents or hangers on so they can dish it out as good as they get. There are always some hurt feelings as teams try to get the best players they can and when they lose they move on. But if something better catches their eye then their out to hunt.

In the end no one really knows how any one class will do over all but success at the D-1 level has been shown to be directly tied to recruiting. If it wasn't important there wouldn't be all this hoopla over it.

Here are the Rankings

Scout.com #3

Rivals.com #2

ESPN.com #1

Here are the numbers:

Five Star Recruits: 6

Four Star Recruits: 10

Three Star Recruits: 2

Here is the list:


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