USC 47 - UCLA 66
by Paragon SC on Jan 15, 2012 8:12 PM PST
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PrintWell, that was interesting...
The Wear Twins wore USC down.
How much more will Pat Haden take? I will admit that I haven't watched Any USC basketball this season, so to actually see the team that I have read a lot about gave me a more complete picture.
I am not sure that I can blame the OJ Mayo mess for where this team is. Sure, you could make the argument that if Floyd isn't fired we keep that recruiting class but guys transfer etc. This teams performance is all on KO.
They are not tough as we see elsewhere. They pass the ball too much and look afraid to drive the lane. A number of those early 3-point attempts were short which shows me a conditioning issue or a serious lack of range. I am not sure whT KO is coaching these gents to do but that isn't the type of basketball we want to see at USC.
I know, I know...I have some nerve commenting seeing I havent watched a game all year, but it didn't take much to see tonight to see that USC has a more than a long way to go before becoming respectable.
I won't say Kevin O'Neill has to go. That's pointless, Pat Haden Loves what KO exemplifies with regards to the types of player that KO brings in so unless things really go south (aren't we there already?), I don't expect wholesale changes.
Anyway, more tomorrow.
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Pat Haden Loves what KO exemplifies with regards to the types of player that KO brings in so unless things really go south (aren’t we there already?), I don’t expect wholesale changes.
Honestly, if this is the reason why Haden doesn’t fire KO, then he has no idea what’s really going on in MBB.
Dewayne Dedmon is a self-made player who made it to the USC team simply because he loves to play basketball and because he liked what he saw when he walked around the university. He is the kind of player that Haden wants to represent USC, but the catch is that KO wasn’t the one who brought Dedmon in. It was Bob Cantu.
Cantu will bring the players that Haden wants as well as better coaching. Cantu has remained a loyal lancer to four different head coaches over 11 years at SC. When will he get the promotion that he deserves?
by TheViewFromFigueroa on Jan 15, 2012 8:28 PM PST reply actions
Cantu will not be here much longer.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
i wouldn't stay if I were him...
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Firing O'Neill to hire Cantu would be a terrible decision.
If you’re going to fire O’Neill this year and blow up his rebuilding job before his classes come of age, it can’t be for a first-year HC. It’s got to be the kind of big hire who can electrify recruiting and change the face of the program from day one. O’Neill has done very well in recruiting; our best five with Fontan out are two freshmen, two sophomores, and a junior. It looks to be another strong group coming in next year.
I’m reserving judgment on O’Neill until signing day.
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
It is not a matter of 'if" but when.
You don’t want to blow up a recruting class for two out of four years. Plus Jio comes back next year.
So he probably stays for the 2012-13 season
Still, it’s not like there is no history on O’Neill. His lifetime college head coach record is 211-222.
And his record at Tennesse and Northwestern are similar to what is happening at USC: slighty improvement his second year, only to fall off a cliff his third year.
However, if he goes winless in the Pac-12 this year (very possible), I can’t see Haden retaining him. Folks who paid $10,000.00 for seating license at Galen can’t be happy. The grumbling is loud already/
Still, I see him staying around for next year. We play .500 ball in fornt of about 2,000 people a night, miss both the NCAA and NIT tournaments, and then he will be fired.
Yes!
As one who paid for seats — though not 10k — but 2 seats – name on the wall etc. I am not happy. I want a competitive team. Those around me are feel the same. The feeling is not against the players but the coaching. Are they ever prepared? No and that is coaching.
by trojanarchitect on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
What really gets me upset is his behavior on the sideline. The guy is a complete horse's ass.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
Some might he is the shitting side of Traveler…
by trojanarchitect on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Bahahahahahaha!!!
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
Well since this Drunk became coach I haven't bought a ticket to a game and will never until he is gone.
I have even gone to away games under TF and Bibby——-but the Bar Fly I don’t care if he wins a national championship I still wouldn’t support that freak.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
He's a spur of the moment MG hire.
A tough guy but not much more than that. I remember when MG fell in love with him was the night he stopped the game at Arizona when some dumbass threw a water bottle towards our bench. KO went apeshit and picked up the mic to berate the bottle thrower.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
Yah I remember that game---well if I see Haden at a tennis event I will personally tell him about the Bar Fly.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
YOU GO SO.CAL.!
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
rabbit KO doesn't really recruit player it is Cantu all the way, KO just finishes the deal with a couple shots of Wild Turkey.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
Didnt we already go down this road with Bibby?
We let him hang on a year too long because he was bringing in that monster recruiting class with Gabe, Nick and Robert Swift.
That didn’t turn out too well for what, 2 years?
It is one thing to lose, but the team can’t get blown out every game. There has to be signs of improvement as the season goes on.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Ding ding ding ding! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
To be fair
That class did bring about the most successful period in USC Basketball history. Bibby may not have coached it, but he did recruit it.
And quite frankly that’s seemed to be the KO route. Meager success while he’s at a school followed by great success with his recruits.
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
That's a crazy master-plan for Trojan bball!
So crazy, I think it just might work!
by BixBeiderbecke on Jan 16, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Next year there will be nowhere to go but up
Since we’re going to finish in last place. Unfortunately even a .500 finish is going to be sold as an AMAZING success story and redemption for KO.
We are bumbling through the wilderness again.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
If HAden does not let KO go then he should go or be tarred and feathered
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
ONE MORE THING: A quote from freshman guard Alexis Moore
“Honestly, we embarrassed ourselves. We did a disservice to the university in our effort and how we played.”
by TheViewFromFigueroa on Jan 15, 2012 8:30 PM PST reply actions
Check out Haden's comments on Wolf's blog (assuming Wolf wasn't talking to a lamp post on Flower St by mistake)
KO isn’t going anywhere – for precisely the reasons Para cites.
UCLA grad here...
It’s funny how similar this thread looks to a discussion about UCLA football. I wish you’d get your stuff together on the BB side of things, and I wish UCLA would do the same with football. Honestly, we should be rooting for each other. How much more fun is this when both teams are good?
Have to agree with MrGray.
It is more interesting to play and win against a team that is not drowning in mediocrity. And SC BB is pathetic at this point. There are plenty of excuses but I heard one my neighbor seat holders at Galen say last night that P Haden considers this KO’s second year because of the situation and turmoil of his first year. Whether true or not that is nuts. The best game playing under him was year one when we put ourselves out of post season play.
by trojanarchitect on Jan 16, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
A lot more fun...
66-19 wasn’t just awesome because it was a big win, but it was for the Rose bowl against a top 10 UCLA team.
Nick Young and co losing to Aaron Afflalo’s 21 ft dagger in the first crosstown game at Galen Center hurt especially badly because we were both top 25 teams, but I still remember the last 2 minutes of that game.
It’s just more fun when there’s more at stake.
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
Yes --
And last night during a time out the men’s water polo team was introduced - 4th straight NCAA championship where they won in the finals against ucla…… the roar of the crowd…. it is important to be in a position competitive.
Even the retiring of Harold Miner’s jersey last night was wrapped in talking about this career but as someone who really did not follow BB closely it sound like there was only one victory against ucla in his tenure (may be I am wrong) but the point is they were competitive and went to the NCAA dance.
It is absurd to delay the inevitable – he needs to go — just buy some big bottles of booze.
by trojanarchitect on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
I remember being a student at the game (2002?) when
Gadzuric missed badly several times, got the rebound, kicked it out to Billy Knight to hit a 3 at the buzzer. If I remember correctly, you guys were at least good enough to make the tournament that year. I walked up the hill back to my dorm feel like a million bucks.
All due respect MrGray
But we’re not proposing that alums should stop donating to the university, and we haven’t spilled Chianti all over the place. We’re not happy but we’re maintaining our perspective -and our dignity.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
I get your point.....
but MrGray doesn’t strike me as crazed as some BN who were advocating withholding financial support/donations for the university. He sounds reasonable, but I don’t go over to read BN but once in a blue moon…….
by trojanarchitect on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
I do frequent BN
mostly for the game threads, where it’s fun to share in glory and defeat and it’s way less susceptible to censure.
Dan Guerrero is a POS AD, and I’ll be (pleasantly) surprised if the Mora hiring works out. Dorrell and Neuheisel started well down on the list when he hired them, and Howland fell into his lap. Their reasons for calling for his job are right on, IMHO, and it’s frustrating to be clowned all over the country while our Chancellor seems utterly disconnected with DG’s job performance and the general importance of football.
I can see the call to stop donating to Morgan Center to garner attention, I’m just not sure it’ll work, given those in charge. Not donating to the band, or to academic programs because one guy is in way over his head? That’s just dumb, but I’m not sure I’ve seen any of the frontpagers advocating that.
Not donating to the band, or to academic programs because one guy is in way over his head? That’s just dumb, but I’m not sure I’ve seen any of the frontpagers advocating that.
I think I’ve seen ALL of them doing that.
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
I don't donate to the USC band
because Bartner is a jackass. Not donating to the ucla band when they happen to be the only entity at ucla that is actually doing their job well, is beyond stupid. I guarantee that boycotting band donations will have zero impact on how athletics deals with Guerrero.
But he's OUR jackass
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
Our "jackass’
yes apparently he is….. I can’t remember the problems Frak had with him. I have ask a few band members who I know tangentially what their feelings about Bartner are… I do think it it is time for him to retire but unless he has done more than ruffle feathers he’ll be there for awhile longer. If he is really so awful, why is band so large, why is anyone in it? In the 1960’s the Band members were paid to be in it because no one was interested. Yes it was the 60’s but that does not explain it all given the ’traditional’ aspects of SC.
So who gets hurt by not donating to the Band…. seems to me the Band not Bartner.
by trojanarchitect on Jan 18, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone have Hadens e-mail
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 AM PST reply actions
Watching mater dei playing on espn
Katin Rienhart is going to unlv now after he decommitted from USC, he did this after the Bar Fly pulled his crap last year. I would have to say that as long as KO is here USC will not get advanced players, even with Cantu around to devert the KO bs.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM PST reply actions
Wow Eijah Brown looks very good (son of Lakers coach) jr 6-3 great defense and shoots like KB
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM PST reply actions
well ucla beat us 2 points less than the 3 TDs & points after while in the red zone....
but like the humor…..
but ugly it was….
by trojanarchitect on Jan 16, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
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