Haden reasserts that USC is "moving on"
by Paragon SC on Jan 10, 2012 6:00 PM PST
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PrintI like Michael Lev.
I think he is one of the more objective (while not being snide) beat writers on the USC beat. I realize this article is informative, but it is going to piss some people off. Others will see it as vindication that Haden and the administration did indeed try to change the ruling.
But I don't understand the point of this article.
To me, it just rubs salt in the wound. And I won't be the only one who feels this way.
I am at the point that I am tired of Pat Haden's explanations about how the university dealt with the NCAA during the appeals process.
Nothing changed...
But Haden reveals something more that rubs me the wrong way (shocking, I know).
"We didn’t capitulate," he said. "Behind the scenes, we’ve done everything we possibly could do. We’ve investigated litigation. We spent a lot of time considering that. I’ve made four trips to Indianapolis. I’ve had numerous conversations with (NCAA president) Mark Emmert and the enforcement staff.
"People just assume you’re sitting on your hands. I’m not an idiot. We’re not idiots. We have investigated every opportunity. There is no alternative for us at this point under the bylaws that every university signs up for as a member of the NCAA."
Haden said he and the administration still believe the penalties were unfair. USC’s strategy of citing previous cases failed because, as Haden noted, "there is no due process" under NCAA rules.
I admit, I have a short attention span. I tend to forget or move on from things that I see as minutia.
This isn't minutia. I don't remember Haden ever explaining it this way.
Many of us here pointed out that there isn't any due process and that the NCAA changes the rules on the fly. That isn't new, as even Haden acknowledged it.
But had Haden explained it this way as soon as the appeal was denied I think many of the USC faithful would looked at Haden and the administration differently.
I don't think Haden is an idiot...but I do think he is woefully under qualified to be the AD at USC, let alone deal with a behemoth like the NCAA.
I mean come on, once the appeal was denied Haden could have blasted the NCAA using the "facts" that he is using above. I mean what was the NCAA going to do, hammer us again?
Doubt it.
Haden is more worried about his image with the NCAA than he is about the people who help pay the bills.
Someone on one of the boards made a comment that they think that Haden will work behind the scenes to bring the crooks down.
Haden has made a lot of effort in playing ball with the NCAA, so how do you take down a crook when you are in cahoots with him...this isn't some deep cover op we are talking about.
As pissed as I am at the whole mess, I am ready to move on.
But Haden's comments here just piss me off some more...
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Haden tends to get on my nerves as well
and I agree that this message would have been better delivered as soon as the appeal was denied. I’m not ready to fault him for talking about it now, as I’m unsure if he wanted to pontificate on the subject, or was approached by a reporter and answered the question honestly and directly. Hayden may not be an old school operator like the guy at Ohio State, but he may be an improvement (at least PR wise) over Mike Garrett, and at least he is enthusiastic.
If it came down to it. . . . ????
I think PLENTY OF TROJANS would lend their talents, expertise, and energies in support of suing the pants off the NCAA. Not to mention digging deep in their pocketbooks to financially help out throughout the litigation process.
Litigation would take years, but in the end. . . . .I see USC as winning.
Haden doesn’t have the capacity to understand the modern-day Trojan pulse. He has the old-school mentality of maintaining a respectful degree of decorum and tact. But, that’s about all.
Litigation and USC
Perhaps Haden’s comment about the lack of due process in NCAA proceedings is not clear to the readers. As opposed to the criminal justice system, the lack of due process in the NCAA means the earlier cases do not create binding precedents for later cases, and that consistency and even-handed penalties are not required.
Contrary to what Paragon SC wrote, Haden HAS stated all this in the past.
I think that Zoulou is correct (see below). A good litigation result is unlikely, the litigation itself would be very costly, and issues that could harm USC might come to light.
Pat Haden is indeed no idiot (Rhodes scholar), and I vaguely recall that he may be a lawyer as well.
Don’t minimize the role of chance in life. USC got caught in the wrong lottery at the wrong time. After that happened, Garrett, Carroll, and Sample handled the problem with poor strategy. Hence, draconian sanctions.
The recent violators have learned from USC’s error, and have handled getting caught more adroitly.
It is what it is. Since when is life fair?
USC has a lot to offer student athletes in terms of coaching, access to the NFL, academics, a powerful alumni network in S. Cal., tradition, student and alumni support, weather, and urban cool. USC should focus on attracting the best athletes, providing the best available coaching to lift them up to full potential, and graduating them. Everything will come out OK. At the end of the day, what is a year or two of slightly worse football records?
Wrong USC completely cooperated with the ncaa and nobody at USC broke any rules.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 11, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Please read C.A.R.E.F.U.L.L.Y....
Many of us here pointed out that there isn’t any due process and that the NCAA changes the rules on the fly. That isn’t new, as even Haden acknowledged it.
Its pretty clear for those of us not fortunate enough to have a college education.
For those who won’t use the search function…
http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2011/5/27/2193354/why-there-will-be-no-lawsuit-against-the-ncaa
Just so you know…a certain conspiracy theorist moderator on another board went nuts when I wrote this…I politely told that person, thru a third party, to F**K off.
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I disagree vehemently with this…
As opposed to the criminal justice system, the lack of due process in the NCAA means the earlier cases do not create binding precedents for later cases, and that consistency and even-handed penalties are not required.
You mean like this precedent?
The committee considered additional penalties that were not imposed, including a multiple season postseason competition ban, and more severe scholarship reductions. The committee chose not to impose such additional penalties after weighing the aggravating factors and the overall seriousness of the case in light of other recent major infractions cases where a multiple year postseason was imposed.
That is from page 18 of the tOSU infractions report, middle of the second paragraph. Sure other schools went to school on how USC handles it but the NCAA still makes it up as they go along.
First post here and you are already behind the 8-ball with incorrect info. Try to keep up. I have read the reports until I can’t see straight. Haden may have went to Indy 4 times but its clear it didn’t do much good.
Haden doesn’t know when to shut up. As noted elsewhere he got baited in this article…He has book smarts (Rhodes Scholar) but little street smarts (trench warfare).
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Reply to Paragon
Paragon, I have enjoyed some of your articles, but here, I simply disagree. The NCAA will of course come up with good words to justify their decisions. But they are not bound in the same way as a court by Constitutional requirements.
I think you are living too far from the rough-and-tumble streets, not Pat Haden. It’s risky to to take on the power structure of college athletics.
I don’t know the details of the O.J. Mayo payoff, but it seemed problematic. I think that you’re being a little naive to assume that there are no skeletons anywhere in the USC closet. We’re talking about 85 spoiled teenagers, many from impoverished homes.
And I think that you’re being a little naive about how the NCAA could focus much harder on USC during and after your proposed litigation.
You allege formal cooperation by USC, but Garrett made very public remarks that USC was being subjected to a witch hunt by jealous competitors. That was simply foolish.
USC was averaging fewer than 20 scholarships a year. Garrett could so easily have self-imposed a minor reduction from the 25 max per year, hired some compliance people, played the humble wrongdoer who hadn’t kept a close enough eye on things, maybe given up the minor bowl game in Carroll’s last year, and USC would have fared much better.
Trench warfare is for the starving revolutionaries, not the aristocracy of college athletics. You’re bent on minimizing the downside of the course of action you propose. That is not street smart.
I suspect that most of these skeletons would have come out during the NCAA's
5 year investigation where they had access to all documents relating to the football team and compliance.
Also I think discussing the term “Due Process” has led this discussion astray. This is not a constitutional matter. There is no action by the government here. Its a matter of contract law, which has its own set of rules governing the interpretation and execution of contracts (which is what the NCAA is essentially, an entity created by a contract between the respective universities). In addition there are statutes that govern the way associations, like unions or other professional groups, deal with members, especially in disciplinary matters. These issues are what any litigation would have covered.
Also are are flat out wrong about teh cooperation issue. The NCAA’s own report stated that the University cooperated with the investigation. Garrett’s comments were made after the COI’s report came out, to express his disgust (shared by many) over the committee’s report.
Whoever you are you are the one that is delusional and I am laughing my ass off, why because i didn't think there were people as STUPID as YOU.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I have heard the rumors that there could be “other things” that didn’t make it into the report. And there are some doozies that I have heard.
This is ALL SPECULATION/RUMOR but that after 5 years of investigating, if there is more then why not release it in the report? Why not hammer USC More? Maybe because it is so damaging that it could potentially bring down some pretty prominent people. Use your imagination.
As for formal cooperation the NCAA said USC cooperated fully on page 56 and 57 of the report…so is the NCAA lying? Again, they could have hammered USC for a lack of cooperation but didn’t, I am pretty sure there is even a bylaw about cooperation.
Agree on Garrett, but I have been saying that for a while now. Once USC acknowledged that Bush was in fact ineligible he should have self-sanctioned the football program just like he did the basketball program…in fact he had a responsibility to do so.
Haden is part of the Wine and Cheese set. He may work long hours, but he doesn’t get his hands dirty…not his style.
As for minimizing the downside…please tell me just what plan of action I propose?
I haven’t advocated a lawsuit. I also haven’t advocated kissing the NCAA’s ass.
I think HAden has a responsibility to those who support the program…from big time boosters all the way down to the guy that buys a t-shirt. Haden could have been much more open in the steps that he took with the NCAA…laying out facts of their plan, the options that they looked at all while being respectful to the NCAA. A lot of this goes away if he took the time to lay out the schools position publicly instead of it has been done to date.
Just because Haden sat on the BOT doesn’t mean that he is qualified to be the AD. Garrett may have been a dick to some, but he knew how to schmooze the fan base. Haden’s continued comments only alienate the fanbase.
I think CAPA is a joke that will get nothing done. Take a look around, congress has much more important things to worry so I don’t expect relief from them.
Finally, please take the time to read ALL the documents WRT USC’s case in the left sidebar…its enlightening
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Sorry, Paragon, I didn't read carefully
I mixed up some of the later comments advocating litigation with your initial column.
I don’t share your critique of Haden:
1. Much has been written about other universities having more sway with the NCAA. The way that happens is traveling to meet with them, socializing with them, showing respect and deference, and so on.
2. Haden is acting more like Kissinger than preachy GW Bush crowd, and I support that because it’s more effective. It’s never smart to telegraph your intentions in business or diplomacy. We don’t know what details Haden shares with the big-time boosters behind closed doors, and if Haden told all of us, it might undermine his success with the NCAA and with the boosters, who wouldn’t feel special. That would be bad, since their money builds the McKay Center, renovates the Coliseum, and so on. I know that I will continue to be a fan if the team is strong and entertaining and a lot of Trojans go on to success in the NFL. And my enthusiasm will rise further if USC’s academic reputation continues to rise, a lot of underprivileged athletes graduate, and the news out of the program is that it’s run as a meritocracy, with the players receiving fair treatment, respect, and gratitude for their uncompensated hard work (see Joe Nocera’s articles in the NY Times).
And I’m not trying to get on your case. I seek out your by-line because you write some interesting and informative columns that I enjoy. Thank you for that.
So you're saying that you would NOT be a FAN if the team isn't strong and entertaining and don't have players go on to the NFL.
Come on dude or dudeet a true Fan follows regardless of how good or bad the team is, sounds like you are a bandwagoner.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm from L.A.
I"m a sunshine patriot. It’s entertainment to me. I grew up a USC football fan (McKay) and UCLA basketball fan (Wooden). I barely follow UCLA basketball anymore. And stopped following USC before Carroll got rolling.
I went to college in the East, because neither school was first rate back then. I really respect Sample for raising the academics at USC so much. UCLA had it easier because it’s on the Westside and inexpensive. What Sample did was real championship work.
So there it is.
Still don't get you---
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 14, 2012 4:33 AM PST up reply actions
Due process may be a term traditionally used to refer to questions of constitutional rights
but generally speaking parties to an agreement are required to deal fairly with one another, and abide by the terms of their agreement in good faith. I believe that a good argument could be made that the NCAA did not live up to this standard with regards to USC. I was a supporter of litigation, but I am not privy to whatever skeletons live in the closet (which other commenters seem amazingly well informed about). I supported the idea of litigation for 3 reasons:
1. Any lawsuit would likely stay the penalties until the conclusion of that lawsuit, meaning the can could be kicked down the road for upwards of 4-5 years.
2. It would have been a good way to force the NCAA to come to a reasonable compromise over the sanctions, more in line with other punishments meted out.
3. Form the public information I have read, I believe that USC could sustain a case past summary judgement, and achieve one or two of the above goals.
Pat Haden is paid to make these choices, and obviously he and Nikias believed that the cost was to high. That’s fine, its their choice to make. It does not mean that USC or its fans should not hold a grudge about what happened. We got rolled, only fools forgive that sort of thing.
With all due respect Paragon
And I say that sincerely, but let me rephrase a sentence of yours:
I am at the point that I am tired of Conquest Chronicles’ complaints about how the university dealt with the NCAA during the appeals process.
Does anyone of the many keyboard litigators understand how costly, unpredicatbale and ultimately unsatisfying litigation is? Especially when you are suing your obstenible peers? (Other universities, as members of the NCAA, which is what USC would be doing in essence if it sued.)
Appearently, no.
Litigation is a lose lose for USC. I ask you, what relief can a Court grant USC that is worth litigation?
And name me some causes of action?
The first thing a litigator worth his salt will ask is “What is my remedy.”
Scholarships back? Will be moot by the time it reaches the trial stage.
Money damages? USC football will still make money during the sanctions. Courts are not in business of providing more profits, espcially to a non-profit. And proving damages is too speculative, USC is obstenibly a non-profit, and it will entail USC opening their books to the NCAA’s litigatiors, WHICH ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD ALLOW.
Also, USC is a voluntary member of the NCAA, and as a result is going to an almost impossible burden to overcome. Courts to not look favorably on members of voluntary organizations suing the organiaztion itself. And Federal Courts are worse becasue they are designed not to hear cases. The first thing a Federal Judge looks when he gets a civil case is for a way to get the case off his calendar. The NCAA is set up so that if a school decides to sue, it is almost impossible to win. And USC agreed to this when it became a member.
A lawsuit would also make open all of USC emails, communications regarding all recruiting communications during the period in question? I don’t care if USC is a pure as St. Francis of Assisi, ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD ALLOW THAT.
Other schools will have worse violations but less stringent punishments in large part because Garrett and Sample wrote the book ON WHAT NOT TO DO!
I can’t think of any reilef that USC can get, other than the “satisifaction” of a ruling that the NCAA is unfair, abritary, capricious and corrupt and that Paul Dee is a pompous, hyocriticcal fat fuck. Do you need a legal ruling to tell you that? Everyone except the most deranged bRuin fan believes SC was screwed royally.
At a certain point, y’all need to stop whining and take it like men. Think of it as a learning experience. Life is unfair, and many times justice is not served. Maybe use it to build empathy for other people and institutions that get screwed over.
And stop living up to the stereotype of the University of whiny, Spoiled Children.
If plenty of Trojans would lend their experience, etc. in suing the NCAA then USC is the most overrated school in the country because Trojan alumni would be the dumbest in the universe.
I think Haden is handling this insanity great. If I were AD, i would say something to the effect of “There is a reason why I am the AD, Max Nikias is the school president, and you are not.”
Dealt with it and move on.
I do not agree with your acessment of remedies
nor do I feel that accepting injustice is “taking it like a man.” The administration made a choice with regard to how they are handling the process, I think Paragon was expressing dissatisfaction with the way that choice has been explained, not whining. Ultimately its all a moot point — USC is not going to sue. However, I do not, and will not accept the NCAA’s sanctions as just.
Three things Desmo
1. We’ve been done since fall camp started. “The P” is another story.
2. We’ve only commented when Haden drags the issue out of the basement for yet another airing. “Winning the right way.” All Haden needed to do is STFU about the minute the season began.
3. If Pat really wants to prove he’s not an “idiot” he can start by firing KO.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
mumm
I am not sure Haden dragged it out or if Lev did? PH would have been better saying we have moved on, period, done!. I had no heard him saying winning the right way lately, unless pressed by some News ‘journalist’ to fill-up column space or air time.
I also agree that Zoulou – SC has nothing to gain now and really never did with a law suit except ill-will form other "NCAA schools". The best revenge is to win and win big on the field. It says screw better than any legal action or ‘whining’.
I wish KO was gone, now that is something to work on, rather than wasting energy or the NCAA crapola!
by trojanarchitect on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, I was referring to PH’s performance in the booth at Notre Dame, nauseating. And yes, firing KO would be a sign of leadership.
Also, no one has mentioned this but 10 fewer scholarship players each year saves USC about $650,000.00, so with inflation over three years the football program will save about $2,000,000. That’s some a nice unintended consequence, courtesy of the F@t F*ck!
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
It's all about Shabazz
If KO lands him, he stays.
If not KO will be gone.
No way Shabazz plays for KO his father will not let that happen
Plus USC isn’t in the running
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 11, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Desmo
For a sophisticated basketball connoisseur from Chicago, you’re really out to lunch. Shabazz is toying with USC.
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
Sigh...
No where did I say that we should litigate in this piece, but I have in fact said in the past that litigation would not necessarily be a good thing…too many unknowns.
A lawsuit would also make open all of USC emails, communications regarding all recruiting communications during the period in question? I don’t care if USC is a pure as St. Francis of Assisi, ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD ALLOW THAT.
Yeap, I have made that argument as well…more specifically how it would/could put Nikias in a negative light…as Provost, one of his responsibilities is the head of compliance. This whole mess happened on his watch, how good would it look for Nikias to be deposed about compliance failures on his watch as he looks to add billions to the USC bank account?
When I wrote my piece on Nikias, my email blew up from a number of people close to Nikias…he was not happy with my piece and they were only too happy to let me know. In numerous conversations I got a lot of double speak and not a lot of substance about Nikias’ role in compliance matters, which to me, confirmed that I hit a nerve…If I am such an insignificant blogger then why go to the trouble to acknowledge my piece unless I am on the right track.
My point here was simple…had Haden said this early on many would have accepted it and it would have died down. Instead we get drips and drabs of information on how they approached this that continually make the story circle back that piss people off.
I think many “took it like men” but that doesn’t mean we should collectively ignore things or allow to be spoon fed the party line that comes out WRT this crappy situation…
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I was referring to Bix, who tends to push the Litigation solution
As well as a general response to the crazies at WeAreSc.
I understand the anger, especially from the older (no offense) fans and alumni
But I think the anger is misdirected. And if Pat Haden isn’t qualified to be the USC AD, who is?
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
by RabbitSC on Jan 10, 2012 8:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Rhodes Scholar. Studied in the Marshall and Annenberg schools. Despite everything he’s been saying, he’s still a marked step up from Garrett, IMO.
by TheViewFromFigueroa on Jan 10, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Honestly I’m tired of hearing the complaints about Haden. The guy was handed a tough situation and I personally think he has done damn well. Would I love USC to sue the NCAA, yes, but I also know it’s probably not in the best interest of the school or the program. Getting this behind us the sooner the better…even if I too would love a pound of flesh.
by ev on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
thats fine, then he should also move on and constaatly cirle back when asked about it
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by Paragon SC on Jan 11, 2012 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not happenin here!
PH needs to stop reading the lunatic comments on WeAreSC and “The P”
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
How about someone who doesn't have an emotional attachment to the insitution
Just because an Orthopedic surgeon trains at a prestigious institution like Johns Hopkins and then runs a successful private practice doesn’t mean he is fit to run the Orthopedic residency program at said institution.
I am not convinced of Haden’s success at crisis management…After all Haden did sit on the board of a bank that was seized by the feds.
Haden’s “win the right way comments”, regardless of the context, expose that inexperience. That he had to go back and explain the comment shows he is tone deaf to his fellow alums.
Anyway, It’s an opinion…
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What it show is he is learning on the job
Something that needs to be taken into account on matters like this. AD – the best and worse job at the same time.
by ev on Jan 11, 2012 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
yeap
But fans were ready to skewer any coach who would come to SC who didn’t pass muster and who was doing the job OJT
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by Paragon SC on Jan 11, 2012 8:47 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well as you can see Pat Haden is an old guy like me, but man he looks like all the that education has worn on him.
The problem with Haden is that he seems to be to smart, no common sense which I think he used to have. Maybe he lost his street whit while at Frenchy Dame, but lets face it he has NNNNOOOO BBBBalls at all. And yes someone saying that he is going to get back at the ncaa on a later date, What When maybe in another life. He really isn’t much of an AD since he can’t figure out what to do about the Mens Basketball coaching situation, but I have worked with ADs like him before and they finally cook their own goose.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 11, 2012 1:12 AM PST reply actions
After I accepted USC's fate
I’ve moved on. I accepted our fate when the appeal was denied. The only comfort that USC can receive is that the media is pretty much unanimously declaring that we got hammered way too hard, and every time someone else pulls a fast one with the NCAA that is worse than our violations we will be the bench mark all other cases will no be compared to. Right now, the only way we can stick it to the NCAA and the haters is to win football games. We did that last season, and if we can continue to do that over the next three seasons, which will be a miracle, then that will be enough to screw all of the people that reveled in our misfortunes. My only gripe with Haden is his “Win the right way” statement during the ND game. We tried defending ourselves, and it didn’t work, we tried sucking up, and it didn’t work either, Haden should stop the sucking up at this point. Its getting us nowhere and is beneath us.
by frak on Jan 11, 2012 9:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ditto!
The “winning the right way” refrain was truly annoying
"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
Feeling Loco?
I read his Bio and I am wrong about street smarts, but he isn't showing much lately.
But I did find out that he was recruited by Notre Dame and did really grow up in NY until HS, I would have to believe that JK McKay had a lot to do with Haden coming to USC and not ND. But he still needs to address the KO situation
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Oh and winning the right way-------What is that all programs bend the rules one way or another-----
Did we break the rules with Bush NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and that is what he has to say and thats it, but then again how many rules were broken during his recruitment?
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Paragon
I loved your piece, my comments- although disagreeable to some, were intended to hit some nerves as well. I make it a point to not surf the web or blogs regarding USC athletics- football especially, except here on Conquest Chronicles.
Although I seldom comment (lately), I truly wanted to see some of our regulars put some input.
Zoulou is on fire, but- alas, he still doesn’t know me.
Happy New Year to all of you here on CC.
All good with me.....
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In my eyes....
Bush was not wrong …… come on give me a break look at Cam Newton. Really what are college students supposed to do about their parents? Nothing……….
In my eyes personally he wasn’t wrong! He is still a heisman winner and didn’t win it because he got paid …. its because he played! Move on USC will always be a power house without an AD!
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