Lighten Up Francis
[The original title of this was going to be "Shit Tyrone Get It Together" but then Paragon asked me to main-page it, and SBN doesn't like the filth-flarn-filth in headlines...]
I was working against the limitations of AT&T's network, spousal disapproval, and the inherent limitations of the SBNation app last night to keep up with the community commentary on the second half of the Minnesota game, when I came across this gem of a quote from Lane Kiffin's post-game press-conference:
We have 1….we have 2 good players on offense right now
Since I'm still above the jump here, I'll skip my initial reaction, and go to a rhetorical question: is this a joke? Because this has to be about the worst man-management (to use a soccer phrase) that I have seen in some considerable time... especially when being used in reference to a group of players the majority of whom can't legally drink yet.
I've defended Kiffin in a variety of places to fellow alumni who are sceptics, as well as alums of other universities, but this is the kind of "candor" that makes me wonder about the underlying coaching skills.
It's not that I don't see the challenges that Kiffin is up against. He has to contend with serious sanctions, fielding a reduced squad, working for an AD who didn't hire him, having a bad reputation outside the university, being a massive target as every Pac 10 team seeks to address some historical beatdown or other at SC's hands, placating grouchy unconvinced alumni, etc., etc. And he's supposed to deal with all of this while keeping the team clean and occupied. And I can understand that giving in to the cult of "football - serious business" seems like a perfectly sensible approach to staying out of trouble and keeping the program out of further trouble. I get all of that.
But what I don't get is all the persistent negativity, because even allowing for the inherent abuse that's tolerated within football, you can overdo it. How long until someone says "the hell with this" and just walks? At the end of the Carroll era there was definitely too much blowing of smoke up asses, but I think Kiffin is overcompensating and it's going to hold the team back.
Here's a different way of saying what Kiffin said:
That was frustrating to watch. We knew coming in to the game that we had two players who were really top notch, and they didn't disappoint us. We also knew we had a lot of young players, and that they would try hard but they would make mistakes... and they did. But in the first half, there was a lot done that we can build on.
Same facts, but a very different message: these are young players, and we have faith in them, and we know we're going to get better.
The next several seasons with reduced scholarships are going to be difficult for the team, and taking the kind of tone that Kiffin showed yesterday is not going to keep current players motivated, and it's not going to make recruits want to play for him. That's not being a serious coach, that's overcompensating for lack of experience and trying to look serious.
You may be reading this and thinking, "well it's easy to criticize," which is true, and I have years - a lifetime, really - of practice. But I wouldn't have written this if I didn't work every day to demonstrate the kind of management I'm recommending. I don't have anything like the challenges that Kiffin does in professional life, but I keep 25 nervy and experienced developers and assorted techies focused and protected from a customer who could best (and most politely) described as challenging... and I can assure you that no matter how angry I may be at members of my team, I would never in a million years say anything like what Kiffin said yesterday.
Coach Kiffin, you've got a tough road ahead. We all saw yesterday that the team has a lot of work to do. By all means keep these kids practicing hard, be honest with them about their faults, keep discipline intact... but please, don't just tear them apart in public. They don't have to play for SC, but they do. They've got a lot of challenges ahead of them. The alumni want to see you and the team succeed, not wallow in negativity. You plainly have a good group of players, and together you can make the alumni proud. Start by staying honest but positive: you never know who you might win over, and there's no shortage of people who can take care of the negativity for you.
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What I want to know is. .
What does Tyrone have against kickers?? He has two kickers on Scholarship now, if he’s not gonna let them kick why not use those scholies on a TE to help block on lame toss sweeps on 4th and 4.
Well stated...
eloquent as usual.
Couldn’t have said it better!
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Agreed - great points
I think Kiffin’s an emotional guy, and it probably gets the best of him sometimes … he might find it a little less frustrating if he’d stop attempting 2-pt conversions all the time and allow his kicker to kick field goals, as well.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Thanks, DC!
I couldn’t agree more with this take. How USC plays so poorly across the board with all the incredible players we’ve got- is a total shocker to me.
Last year, I got it: we had a new staff, crazy turnover, and losses due to Paul-Dee-style-free-agency. We’ve got inexperience this year, I get that too.
Those penalties though? That kind of celebration for a 1 yard stop or a 7 yard catch? They seem undisciplined, OR FRUSTRATED AS HELL.
I’d like them to play sound fundamental football- I’d like them to thoroughly own their man, position, place on the line. Not too much to ask.
Kiffin has to let them play, the trickery must end. I have high expectations for special teams, but I also expect them to play in normal situations and NOT FORCE THEM TO DO more than what’s required. Kiffin put the special teams behind the 8-ball yesterday- he leaned on them too much.
Monte has got to let these guys cover tight off the line, his Tampa-soft Defense is a wash. We should have owned those 2-star Golden Gophers. We played down to them, and I’m actually trying NOT to be arrogant. They shouldn’t have been in that game with us. Not this year.
Looks like a long season.
Two things
1. Where’s Kiffin’s self-assessment? How did he rate his own performance? It’s way too easy to blame it on the kids, and it is only a small man that goes down that road.
2. Fantastic post! So, where the hell you been? Oh, wait…
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Oh stop.
Actually things have been a little calmer at work than July and most of August, so hopefully I can put up proper posts more often.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
by DC Trojan on Sep 4, 2011 1:56 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Bwahahahaha!
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
I’m trying optimism.
This will not be a long-lived experiment, I suspect.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
by DC Trojan on Sep 4, 2011 4:09 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Does that thing about mad dogs and Englishmen also apply to Scots? I hope the summer heat hasn’t gotten to you.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
It is warming up again, now that you come to mention it.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
by DC Trojan on Sep 4, 2011 5:18 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Kiffin is Lacking Personal And Professional Maturity...Stop Already With The Problems He Faces.
For the money he is being paid, reportedly in excess of 3 Mil. I as an AD would expect an ass kicking winner for that money…that he is not. Garrett made a mistake, we have to live with it.
What I saw yesterday is a 7-5 8-4 team, shades of John Robinson II
Agree completely
Kiffin is letting the stage get to him. As bad as yesterday was, it was still a win. This season, he may well have 3 or 4 days that are a lot worse than yesterday to answer to. So he better get his priorities and his message in line NOW.
As much as Kiffin is in the spotlight, USC is not all about him. It’s a mistake for him to attempt to impose HIS storyline into the game…and after the game. The game story writes itself, and all a HC can hope to do is manage the percentages to his team’s favor. Kiffin should focus on nothing more than winning the game, and encouraging his team. That’s his job! And it’s a job that can be lost by those who lose sight of their primary repsonsibilities.
He needs Daddy to bend his ass over and spank the bRuin out of him.
Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..
by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 4, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Positive, affirmative spin vs candid, honest assessment
Direct, honest feedback is the best tool for management, IMO. I like Kiff keeping it real and keeping the heat on his players to improve. I’m pretty sure that he is his own biggest critic. We have had this blowback discussion before about Kiffin’s negativity, but have yet to see any morale issues with the team. They seem to like and rally around Kiffin and the staff.
Keep doing what you’re doing coach. No need to sugarcoat it for this fan. I do think Kiffin will mature a lot over time. He’s still only 35 or so. He acted much more mature than Bryan Kelly did yesterday.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
There’s a time and a place for both messages. If Kiffin wants to go to practice on Tuesday and tear the team a new asshole, that’s one thing. To my mind, it’s a question of showing the team whose side you’re on.
As for Brian Kelly, sure – his behavior on the sideline was pathetic in the extreme. I’d use the word “disgraceful” but I already used it for the Declan Sullivan “response” from their program.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
by DC Trojan on Sep 4, 2011 1:54 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
As most of you guys know I have been a coach to close to 40 years, but I to was surprised by that statement-in fact I thought it was a joke.
But I will say this in my early years that I coached I was very tough on my students, always comparing them to my obsessed work ethic. Finally one day my mother (who use to come to my all-comers sunday clinics) said to me you know Paul it wouldn’t hurt if you gave a complement once in a while, from that day on I changed. Also being in retail management with Trader Joes since 95 taught me a lot, maybe Lane should go out and get a real job and learn how to handle people let alone teenagers.
Oh Nice one DC
Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..
by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 4, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
DC has it right here
Calling these players out in practice/meetings and pushing them in that environment is perfectly acceptable (and even encouraged). Degrading them (non-constructively, I might add) on a public stage has a potentially detrimental effect.
In any event, I mostly just wanted to post in this thread to supply the obligatory image:

by FightOn09 on Sep 4, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Truth ? That pic of Tyrone......I needed a good laugh, and that did it
Rec’d
Re: the original post – sometimes tough love, sometimes a reach-around. Can’t please the kids, fans, and media at the same time.
It’s a fair point: Kiffin can’t make everyone happy all the time. I’d settle for not ripping the players like that immediately after a loss, but if he’d rather stop with the 2 point attempts or rotate offensive line players, that’s fine too.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
by DC Trojan on Sep 5, 2011 6:05 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Agree on the 2 pt. attempts - 50% success rate makes the try senseless
The decision to go for 2 rests w/ Barks identifying the “hole” in the defense or “getting the right look”, according to LK. Maybe MB’s risk assessment skills need reconsideration. Think I also recall reading in another post that the 2 pt. conversion isn’t being practiced anywhere near as often as last year.
This team isn’t yet good enough to gamble away from the higher percentage PAT kick.
That’s goofy if it’s the case. Two point conversions have their place but not when you’re the team scoring ahead of the other one.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
by DC Trojan on Sep 5, 2011 6:12 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Offense looked worse against Virginia last year
Then we scored 30+ points in 7 consecutive games. Reserving judgment until Utah.
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