Pat Haden to be part of group to reform NCAA Enforcement

by Paragon SC on Sep 1, 2011 11:50 AM PDT in General NCAA

This should be interesting.

Pat Haden will attempt to educate the NCAA on how to change its enforcement mode.

Haden is going to have either reaffirm or eat his words on the the NCAA being made up "fair minded" people///

In April 2012, the Board will hear recommendations on amendments to the Division I Manual aimed at reducing the volume of unenforceable and inconsequential rules that are not national in scope. It will also review recommended legislative processes to ensure that any new rules align with those values.

Lastly, the Board will examine the enforcement process and penalties in April 2012, evaluating a new multi-level violation reporting and penalty structure that focuses on serious infractions.

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The full working group make up is listed below:

Name Position Conference

Collegiate Model Enforcement Pat Haden AD PAC-12

Going to be interesting to see if the NCAA really takes this serious and changes the way they currently do business or if its just another committee meeting that will change nothing.

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If you know Pat Haden, you know he isn't going to eat his words

Interesting to say the least. I predict Haden will make recommendations which will not find their way into any reformed guidelines.

by ev on Sep 1, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions

I honestly don't think the NCAA has anywhere else to go?

It’s DEFCON 2 right now for the NCAA, they can’t do anything else BUT reform and change. I know, I know! We’ve heard this before.

But we haven’t heard this from Emmert before. We’ve heard it from Myles Brand, who was the quintessential academician. His idea of “reform” was re-formulate. As in, reformulate the old bullshit, put numbers next to it, and somebody will believe and buy it. His idea of change, was his socks.

As much as I don’t think things will change at the NCAA, I have to believe much will be reformed. Whether it will be for the better, I don’t quite know. The NCAA has never been this DEEP IN MAJOR SHIT before. The public outcry over their complete mismanagement and mishandling of major infractions case over the course of this past year has been catastrophic. Even small things change from catastrophe-s. (what’s the plural for catastrophe?)

Again, not to make this a “USC-thing”, but the NCAA’s troubles started with us. From there, the NCAA made complete fuck-ups volcanic. They thought they were above reproach. They found out in the most ardent manner, they weren’t.

If the NCAA doesn’t arrive at any meaningful reform from these committees, they will have written their own obituary. With the advent of super-conferences around the corner, all it will take is ONE SCHOOL to withdraw from being under the NCAA’s umbrella- and the rest will come pouring out to get away, as well. All it takes is one.

If you ask me, if/when the NCAA creates sound and meaningful change- I think they will ultimately go after the BCS. That will be the only way to wrest control of the big revenue stream that is post-season football. The BCS (read: conferences) may generate a ton of dough that is shared among the Big 6- but in order for the NCAA to remain relevant- they’ve got to have their eyes set on a playoff system for football. Right now, a playoff system isn’t profitable enough for the Big 6, and too much money will be divided up among too many teams and conferences. THat is anti-thetical to any business model. But, the NCAA controls all regular season and post-season intercollegiate “championships”- as such, if they want to gain leverage over the impending super-conferences, they must advocate for a playoff system. That would end the BCS as we know it, and with it- it would allow the NCAA to control the revenue streams.

The NCAA is the only organization that can crown an intercollegiate champion. The NCAA must be ruing the day the EVER let the conferences form the BCS.

If the NCAA is to remain relevant, it must control college football season’s post-season playoffs- if a system of such is to be implemented. (propaganda, anyone?)

by BixBeiderbecke on Sep 1, 2011 3:27 PM PDT reply actions

The NCAA must change, but not too much

The issue is that they are on the precipice, and they should be able to see that, even as short-sighted as they are.

Conferences are now able to get their own television contracts, which is a huge blow to the authority (and necessity) of the NCAA. If the BCS conferences decide that they don’t want to play by the NCAA’s rules anymore, there is little to nothing that the NCAA can do to stop it, as I understand. Should they break away to set their own rules and system, they have the ability to do it, and that should be giving the NCAA the night-sweats.

They are going to have to do some sort of reform that will keep them palatable to the BCS (which conferences are capable of doing the damage that others can’t), but that will also improve the public’s perception of the NCAA. They can’t give the death penalty to Miami, but they also can’t look the other way or give less than what they’ve already done to USC. They have painted themselves into a tight corner, and they have only themselves to blame.

Greed is what brought them to this position; now it will have to be something else that gets them out. I’d say brains, but there seems to have been all too few of that in the upper echelons for far too long. Maybe dumb luck…?

The NCAA going the way of the dodo wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, but it also wouldn’t be the best. Let’s face it; with only their own rules in place, what conference isn’t going to play shenanigans with, and to get, athletes with nigh-impunity in the chase for the National Championship? The SEC? Please. And if that conference continues to win, the pressure on every other conference increases to do the same, a vicious circle.

We’ll see.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Sep 2, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

It's just. . . .

. . . . .who? Which school is going to be the first to break away?

That’s the tough one, they’ll catch so much shit for it and then. . . .what will they do? Will anyone TOUCH THEM?

Say, Notre Dame leaves? No problem right- because they’re independent anyway. Then. . . who plays them? Does ND just cancel all their athletics program? How long will it take before someone elects to play them? It could be ANYBODY really to break away- even from a Big 6 conference, but still- and then what?

It will take one, for others to follow. But how long before something (conference-wise or organization-wise) happens?

I don’t know if I want the NCAA to be messing around with football- as it turns out, I like the BCS as it is. As twisted and fucked-up as it is in it’s current state, I think the BCS is doing fine for the conferences that make up it’s majority.

by BixBeiderbecke on Sep 2, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

It's pretty much just a matter of time now

Although the PAC 12 seems to be standing pat, the dominoes are starting to fall. The only question is whether or not the NCAA can stay on top in the end, or if they are going to put out with the rest of the trash.

Not saying that all this re-alignment is right or wrong, but it is happening, and it will continue…

The berserker is without honor; a true warrior knows and practices restraint

by signcut on Sep 21, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Sep 1, 2011 3:55 PM PDT reply actions

WTF!!!!!!!!!

You cannot be serious!

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Sep 1, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions

Bix is right, that the NCAA has nowhere to go but up...

…unless it decides to stay put. I look at this as more of any invitation for Haden to join the good ‘ol boys club than anything that will lead to drastic reform. Haden is an outsider. He is credible. He is a former jock. He is media-trained. And he deeply cares about being perceived as a fair-minded person. He’s exactly what the NCAA needs. Expect him to get a lot of face time speaking for the NCAA in the upcoming years. After all, Emmert as the “face of enforcement” has been an unmitigated disaster for the NCAA, and they know it. Haden is the perfect replacement…a scholarly NON-academic.

Although I don’t always agree with how Haden handles things, I do believe that he is a very principled and decent person. I respect him greatly, and part of me supects that Haden’s way of handling things is superior to the more confrontational and adversarial approach that I often favor. In short, he is a far better man than many of the people he is joining in the NCAA.

Haden is not a man who would abuse a position in the NCAA to cripple programs that threaten him, and protect programs in his favor…just because he can (as others have done). He is a Trojan, and that is not the USC way. It is also the way of many ethical programs and adminstrators…but sadly, not all. I do believe that Haden is genuinely interested in making NCAA enforcement better. Coming from USC, he should bring valuable perspective on how to make the enforcement process more fair and equitable. Undoing most of what Paul Dee did would be a good start. The good ’ol boys will probably let Haden make a few changes, so that he will have something to champion for his efforts.

But the NCAA will remain a predominantly corrupt organization, wayward from its mission, and continuing to serve the interests of a selected few for years to come. Haden cannot change it alone. My guess is that he will grow weary of wallowing in the slime and move on. But if he sticks it out…and more good people join him…then Bix’s vision of ‘reformation’ will have wings. And I hope it does…because right now, the NCAA is an utter reprehensible steward of the sport I love.

by TrojanJAG on Sep 1, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Hit the nail on the head here

I look at this as more of any invitation for Haden to join the good ‘ol boys club than anything that will lead to drastic reform.

Bingo. What hurt SC the most w/ the NCAA? Not being connected to their old boys network. If Haden can suck up now, get us an in and penetrate their group, it bodes well for the program in the future.

Perhaps all of the kowtowing now that much of this group is up-in-arms about is actually a calculated play to get us in w/ the high and mighties so that something like this won’t come back to bite us in the ass again.

by FightOn09 on Sep 2, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions

A jerk of circles

by DFWTrojan on Sep 1, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions

What is that

Who--What--Slim Shady----the ncaa is after all the BS they are lying out----and just remember they will rewrite history every seven years after the fact. Tennesse will get off with nothing on the violations, but that really doesn't matter they suck anyway.

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions