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The NCAA is making it up as they go along...

Well at least now we know why the only players being investigated are from Miami.

Another day another relatively unknown rule used by the NCAA

"The enforcement staff has been given, by the membership, a pretty important investigative tool," Roe Lach told CBSSports.com in an exclusive interview.

"Limited immunity" is a little-known procedure granted to NCAA investigators to get information from a player "when such an individual otherwise might be declared ineligible for intercollegiate competition," according to the NCAA Manual.

Roe Lach put it another way: "When we think that's really our only shot of getting that information."

In essence, it allows guilty parties to become informants in exchange for playing time. The report contains at least two Miami transfers -- Marve and Kansas State linebacker Arthur Brown -- as well as seven players from other schools who were recruited by Miami but enrolled elsewhere.

This rule is like the rule that the NCAA suddenly pulled out to let the Tat-5 play in the Sugar Bowl.

Just curious, when did the membership give the NCAA that rule??

Here are a couple more tidbits...

During the 25-minute interview, Roe Lach was speaking in broad terms and never specifically about the Miami case. She said prospects who take extra benefits at one school but sign with another are not pursued unless they are receiving those benefits from an agent.

What a racket!

Take benefits from one school and then enroll at another and they won't hunt you down...unless the benefits are from an agent!

But wasn't Shapiro the owner of a sports marketing firm...an agent?

I can't wait to see how Shapiro is characterized...Booster, Agent or BOTH!

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In PRINCIPLE, "limited immunity" isn't a bad idea...

After all, many violations involve both the athlete and the school, and in most cases, one entity that is more culpable than the other…and thus would be the priority target of a legitimate investigation.

Take the Miami case (what we know of it) as an example. To me, this is a case of blatantly negligent compliance and enforcement on the part of the U. A booster (and agent) was allowed to operate openly and unimpeded for almost a decade…with coaches (i.e., university employees with compliance responsibilites) looking the other way and (in some cases) particpating in the violations themselves. We can only speculate what types of rumors and tips passed through the U compliance department during this time, but Paul Dee recently acknowleged in an interview that he was privy to the “word on the street”, at least at it pertained to players frequenting strip clubs…activity which is ironically similar to the types of benefits that Shapiro was showering upon Miami’s highest-profile players at the time. If Miami hadn’t been asleep at the wheel, all of the current NCAA players corrupted by Shapiro never would have been exposed to Shapiro. Miami got greedy and failed them miserably. So why not use them to take Miami down? Makes sense on this level, doesn’t it?

In PRACTICE, “limited immunity” is a terrible idea. An organization which is as fundamental corrupt as the NCAA simply cannot be entrusted with a discretionary tool as powerful as “limited immunity”. In the first place, all NCAA athletes are obligated to cooperate with the NCAA anyway. None of the current athletes who accepted beneifts from Shapiro would likely be subjected to more than a four game suspension (which they deserve for acepting benefits) if they cooperated with the NCAA. But if they don’t cooperate (tell the truth), then they are finished. So why exactly is limited immunity needed?

The answer is that limited immunity isn’t needed to get to the TRUTH of the matter. If a player is willing to lie when doing so might void all of his remaining eligiblity, then is dangling limited immunity going to pursuade him to tell the truth? For most such people, it won’t. Honest people tell the truth, and dishonest people tell the tale that serves them best…which is why limited immunity should not be used by the NCAA. Imagine an NCAA enforcer with an agenda (not hard to do) interviewing an athlete susceptible to testifying in his own best interest (again, not hard) under an implied arrangement (limited imunity) that “if you say what I want you to say, then you are free”. Limited immuity is the tool of witch hunts. Those who would tell the truth don’t need it (and can’t be swayed to lie because of it) and those who will change their testimony because of it are just as apt to lie to get it as they are to tell the truth to get it. An organization which places agenda above truth will not make good of limited immunity. They will only make good of their agenda.

And just as important, limited imunity is a discretionary tool. There is no logical reason why a player who left the U should recieve less penalty that one who remained at the U if both received the same benefits. In the NCAA, “discretionary” = “abuse”. Hell, you can’t even get ND to suspend their star WR for a single game after his third alcohol related offense (a DUI, no less). You think a Domer on the COI isn’t going to do everything in their power to grant a key ND player limited immunity…and deny such for a key USC player under the identical circumstances. The whole concept of rewarding a player for ratting out their old team, only when the NCAA wants them to, is totaly fucked. It’s just another way the good ’ole boys can look after each other, and screw everybody else.

by TrojanJAG on Aug 22, 2011 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

On the surface, this "limited immunity" deal. . . .

. . . . IS THE FIRST UNDODGY thing the NCAA Enforcement staff has done in a long time!

But lemme be clear: the Enforcement arm of the NCAA is still a ginormous hunk o’ shit, as far as credibility is concerned.

As Dodd pointed out, by granting these former Hurricane players immunity- it seems (on the surface) that the NCAA is centering their investigation on the principals and not the players. The former players are allowed to continue their collegiate careers so long as they provide truthful testimony to corroborate or refute Shapiro’s allegations. The NCAA appears to be going for the jugular, which is . . . . . .alright by me.

They’ve stupefied me with their lameness (the NCAA) lately, and today- I’m actually surprised to see/read that their doing their jobs correctly, finally! How weird is that?

by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 22, 2011 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

The actions of of someone who wants a pound of flesh

This news can’t be good for those “U” fans with their head still in the sand.

by ev on Aug 22, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would make Miami's new counsel, Mr. Glazier- The Duke or Balthazar?

I re-read Shakespeare’s “Merchant of Venice” last summer- which was a pure hoot (compared to high school “Brit Lit” class). Miami is experiencing a ton-shit of fandom’s wrath lately, so their fans are at DEFCON 3, maybe 2 right now.

They HAD TO HAVE kinda known that Paul Dee was as “shystery” as they come. He’s one guy (Paul Dee) where his actions have complimented his looks. As he’s gotten older, his outward appearance matches who he truly is- deep down inside. Put simply, Hurricane fans knew who Dee was, and Shalala knew who she hired in Hocutt. Both AD’s were piss poor excuses for compliance leaders. Miami went after the money and graft as much as the players they recruited.

I believe that no one is innocent in this Miami case. Harsh judgment for sure, especially coming from me- where I hoped for lenience from the anti-Trojans and NCAA. Still, .. . . . . . . .

by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 23, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

While I don't think Miami will be punished much worse

than USC in scholarships and bowls, the NCAA will have to come up with something else. I think you will see the first TV ban since I think it was Cal about a decade ago, probably two year. I just don’t know what else they could do outside of a huge $$$ fine? Unless the NCAA can prove this goes above the coaches and into the administration, a la SMU. Then all bets are off.

by ev on Aug 23, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is logical inasmuch as a television ban is about the only additional punishment that wasn’t used on SC and which still falls short of the death penalty.

However, “logical” and “NCAA sanctions” are rarely coincident.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Aug 23, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was rumored that Paul Dee wanted USC to receive a television ban, plus monetary fine

The guy just could not hide his disdain for us. I also think that Julie Roe Lach detested Mike Garrett. She, afterall, was at the helm of Enforcement that fabricated testimony and coerced members into believing that her data supported the allegations against USC compliance and USC coaches. She’s probably done this before “when it was the only way to obtain information”. In other words, if Julie Roe Lach didnt’ have or couldn’t obtain information, she just made the shit up.

Roe Lach doesn’t NEED information, per se. She’ll get it, one way or another. Therefore, when reading JAG’s comment from up above- I totally see where he’s coming from. The last thing the NCAA needs, is more power at their disposal. They’re supposed to be a leading governing organization, they’ve done little in the leading- part, and have become the biggest-monstrosity of bureaucratic governing organizations. As leaders, there should have been in place uniform repercussions for violators of the rulebook. In theory, either you’ve robbed someone or you didn’t. Either you’ve stolen something or you didn’t. When you rob and steal- there are strict guidelines on punishment. The whole “every infractions case is unique” is bullshit and is just cover for protecting the ‘haves’, and an abusive tool to convict the ‘have nots’.

TV bans, if it were in the power of a Paul Dee to resort to, would have crippled USC. We DEFINITELY would not have maintained our pipeline of 4- and 5- star recruits to commit to us.

Recruits are in awe of Los Angeles and USC- together, would-be collegiate stars have the best chance of making it to the NFL. We’re an NFL-factory, even while we’re mired under the duress of bowl bans, scholarship limitations, and the inability to win our own conference. With a television ban, I don’t think Kiffin & Co. would have been as successful as they were these past two years.

Luckily enough for everyone currently mired in compliance/enforcement related issues: Roe Lach is in a PR-mode these days. (how convenient that Lach and Dee are now separate from Enforcement and Infractions, respectively these days)

by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 23, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

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