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Ohio State vacates 2010, no scholarship reduction or voluntary bowl ban

As I am sure many of of you saw heard yesterday Ohio State took the obvious step of vacating the 2010 season in the wake of the scandal that has rocked the program since it was revealed that that players exchanged memorabilia for tattoos.

This pre-emptive move to accept some culpability is not going over well in some circles.

OK, so vacating all the Buckeyes' 2010 victories -- including the Allstate Sugar Bowl win over Arkansas -- wasn't all Ohio State accepted as self-imposed penalties in its response to NCAA allegations on Friday. But that was just about the only new thing the school has imposed. What was lacking from the response was most telling.

The Buckeyes didn't impose scholarship reductions. They didn't implement a bowl ban, not even for one year. Nothing new that would harm the future of the program in any significant way was put on the table. Ohio State did place itself on two years' probation, which is essentially a slap on the wrist.

Not exactly the most painful of punishments, given the lying and covering up by former coach Jim Tressel, who knowingly used ineligible players all of last season.

I can see why they did this...

With no LOIC or FTM charge listed in the NOA then why penalize yourself more than you have to?

It really doesn't matter what we think. We all know that the NCAA is a sham.

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Yesterday's revelation that OSU AD Gene Smith basically asked Tressel to resign is not really a surprise either, in fact I would say that this move is part of the Emmert/Gee connection. Of course OSU has discussed things with the NCAA.

They have the relationships and the connections so why not use them?

Because I have such a distrust of the NCAA I cannot say if this move is enough to placate the NCAA or not.

Others think this move is a sham too...

The Columbus Dispatch reported Friday that Ohio State is "embarrassed" and recommended to the NCAA that it vacate all of its wins from 2010 and that it doesn't deserve any further punishment.

Embarrassed? Ohio State was so "embarrassed" by the findings that Tressel lied and covered up NCAA violations that the school initially decided to suspend Tressel for all of two games against Akron and Toledo.

That would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. Only later did Tressel decide to take one for the team and volunteer to extend his suspension to five games, to match the length of time his players would be suspended. By the way, who will serve Terrelle's Pryor five-game suspension this fall?

Just getting rid of the coach and the player most culpable in this scandal just isn't enough in my eyes.

But my opinion means nothing.

Mandel thinks the self-imposed sanctions are reasonable...I think he is off base here but that's fine.

It was also revealed that Ohio State is increasing their compliance staff by two...as if that really addresses things. OSU has repeatedly bragged about having the biggest and best compliance staff in all of CFB yet they couldn't see this? That hubris was exposed after an internal audit revealed a lack of accountability in the securing and completing the necessary player vehicle documents.

tOSU promises to do a better job of that too.....right.

Jon Wilner thinks if OSU gets off light that USC should pursue further action...

I know USC wants to move on, but if NCAA doesn't add to tOSU's self-imposed penalties, Trojans will have to think about further action.less than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply

 

That ship has sailed...

USC has moved on.

But i will say this, if tOSU does get off light and if Haden/Nikias and the BOT do nothing to address it, then it is just one more nail in Haden's coffin as AD. You will hear more and louder calls for Haden to go. The money will start to dry up

Personally, I hope they get off light. The more of this sham that is exposed the better it will be in the long run...sooner or later someone will take notice.

I just don't know how the NCAA will view this move...we will find out in the fall.

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I would have to say that I am over watching college FB other than USC.

This recidivous the school id sanctioning itself and that will be okay, then what heck is the ncaa for——Oh I know collecting MONEY THEY DIDN’T EARN———they remind me of our Government. What about the hard working stiffs of the USA unlike Clubs like the Politician (both Democrat and Republican) and the Ncaa, Lincoln didn’t abolish Slavery he just put it in the hands of these kind of organizations.


Who--What--Slim Shady----the ncaa is after all the BS they are lying out----and just remember they will rewrite history every seven years after the fact. Tennesse will get off with nothing on the violations, but that really doesn't matter they suck anyway.

by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 10, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

A picture is worth a thousand words, no?

Than, what does the above picture say? It says, (from Gordon Gee’s perspective) “We’ve got these idiot sportswriters right where we want them. They’re such asshats, they’re gonna write what we tell ‘em to write and the public will believe them. OK, so! Jim Tressel is a God, the players weren’t educated properly, let’s leave out the whole ‘on probation’ business, our investigation is finished: NOTHING THERE!, we self-reported EVERYTHING, we’re good people that don’t lie- ONLY FIB A LI’L BIT, Mark Emmert is my bitch, and we’re gonna give Arkansas one helluva game (btw: note to self: will Mallet take $100K in return for one of his famous INT’s late in the game? let’s have Delany shake hands with Slive on that one. Slive hates the Hogs). . . . . Oh! That’s right- Jim Tresel is a God- stay on cue Genie-baby. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. These hacks will never delve deep into Coach Tressel. And if they ask me ANYTHING regarding Coach- I’ll tell ‘em ’I SHOULD resign before Coach!’ That’ll slay ’em.”

If you want to walk the heavenly streets of gold, you gotta know the password, "Roll, tide, roll!"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 10, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

One-eighth of their starting football stars were ineligible. . . .

. . . .not ONE, like ours. Two, counting Mayo in basketball. (for that matter: BOTH USC’s and tOSU’s infractions occurred in 2 separate sports: basketball and football. tOSU was dealing infractions involving ex- b-ball coach Jim O’Brien’s watch as well as Tressel’s football players). We had a total of 4 players (Trepagnier, Mayo, Bush, & female tennis player?), (supposedly) 1 assistant coach, and (remarkably) 1 “extra” coach not permitted: with 2 members diligently manning our Compliance Dept. . tOSU had (now) 6 players involved, 1 HEAD COACH that admittedly lied/covered-up, 1 AD that was complicit in the cover-up investigation, and 1 school President who has been woefully derelict: with a Compliance staff of 7 who couldn’t educate their student-athletes with a 3-year time limit to do so- and they failed miserably with 375 secondary violations self-reported in a 5 year period.

Again: 6 players ineligible, 1 head coach who knowingly played ineligible players and lied to the NCAA about his “knowledge” of their reported impermissible benefits, and an AD who helped to cover up the whole situation with a cockamamie investigation, giving his word to the NCAA that parlor-owner Rife and the Tattoo 5 was/is an isolated event- and purposefully not divulging to the NCAA the perks OSU football players & their families, as well as employees in their own Compliance Department were given in the form of free car-driving privileges from local auto dealerships. This could have been just a simple “ineligible players/reinstatement” situation, but thanks to all the lying and cover-up of the whole ordeal: OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY SHOULD BE FACING SERIOUS SANCTIONS.

Yes, this “appears” to be small potatoes, and it would have been, but NO! The school shot themselves in the foot, big time. If the NCAA allows them to skate, then the NCAA is complicit in allowing schools to circumvent the very rules of “fairness” that they so dearly champion. No school should be given leniency because they slap their own wrists.

And if tOSU wants to throw their coach under the bus and take the hit for this whole mess, let’s not forget that the NCAA CAN CHARGE AN INDIVIDUAL for Failure to Monitor and Lack of Institutional Control. It doesn’t JUST HAVE TO BE LEVELED AT A MEMBER INSTITUTION. A coach can be held to that standard, and the institution would be forced to turn over evidence and testimony against him.

Making Coach Tressel out to be a scapegoat can seriously backfire, IF THE NCAAA GETS OFF THEIR ass and does their job??

If you want to walk the heavenly streets of gold, you gotta know the password, "Roll, tide, roll!"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 10, 2011 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure that FTM fits with OSU

LOIC does fit however. LOIC must be implemented when the head coach is involved. Compliance begins with the head coach, and Tressel is Ohio State football. You can’t lump it all on him and say that he went rogue. What Tressel did in his cover up gave him a competitive advantage on the field. The LOIC rule was written for this situation. FTM being charged to Lane Kiffin and no FTM and LOIC for Ohio State is a head scratcher.

Ohio State should get a bowl ban and at least 10 schollies in my opinion. That would be an appropriate punishment for the “Tattoo 5.” The punishment for the probation violation and the Tressel coverup should be added to the 10 schollies and 1 year bowl ban.

I don’t think 30 schollies is appropriate for anyone, including us for that matter. Just give them a fair shake. Just because we got screwed doesn’t mean that everyone should be.

by frak on Jul 10, 2011 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

It's all in the Notice of Allegations, in this- and UNC's & Tennessee's case

The NCAA moves the goalposts whenever, wherever they want to. The reason why they appear as inconsistent with their application of enforcement and punishment is because they hide behind loopholes when alleged infractions occur, depending on the university and the people in power in that particular conference.

In our case, they hit us on two fronts: Notice of Allegations and COI judgment. Their history proves their inconsistency in enforcement- so the COI Chairman ushered through (with NO MEMBER INSTITUTION INPUT) the amendment to the appeals process. So now, when it comes to “enforcement”- it boils down to: Who you know at the NCAA? when it comes to the Notice of Allegations.

It’s surprising that back in November 2010- no one caught the fact that tOSU was a repeat offender and therefore should have been placed on Failure to Monitor allegations. Instead, it was an “eligibility issue”. Same with Auburn. If that stuff happened at ’SC, you can bet your bottom dollar we would have faced serious consequences through a heavy-handed notice of allegations.

Even now, with Tressel- there wasn’t a wisp of disappointment in the eyes of NCAA Enforcement, why? They were screwed sideways by the phantom investigation tOSU put forth in the original Tattoo 5. And now, with Coach Tressel lying?

LYING TO THEM? And still, no heavy-handedness?

This is just mad! I for sure don’t want the NCAA to be unfair in their punishment for tOSU- nothing like that at all. I want them to do their freaking job, is all. The one thing that they are telling the public that is truthful is this: “Every infraction case has unique circumstances surrounding it”. [interpretation] “Different schools have curried our favor, and as such- we’re biased in how we apply NCAA rules”.

I’d hate to see tOSU get the Death Penalty- they don’t deserve that in the least. What they deserve is to be treated fairly, even some degree of lenience. But- the punishment SHOULD fit the crimes. The “dollar amounts” mean nothing in this case. It’s the widespread non-compliance matters involving numerous players, coaches and admin-types that mean the most. Compound that with the fact that 7 qualified compliance staff member couldn’t and didn’t educate their people AT A TIME WHEN THEY WERE UNDER THE GUN TO DO SO. Self-reporting violations mean very little, the new NCAA requires “high-profile athletes require high-profile compliance”. In this regard, tOSU fantastically failed.

If you want to walk the heavenly streets of gold, you gotta know the password, "Roll, tide, roll!"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 10, 2011 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Plainly they think they can get away with this

It’s pathetic, but they very well may do just that. I agree with Frak that I’m not looking to see tOSU get hammered worse than SC, but the facts of the case don’t seem any less egregious than what SC got hammered for.

I wonder if the NCAA can afford to not be in a hanging mood, in order to avoid allegations of cronyism and inconsistency because of actions so egregious that people cannot help but notice. Somehow I doubt they have the necessary ruthlessness to stab their personal friends in the back though.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jul 10, 2011 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

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