SI.com reveals Tressel's long history of looking the other way
Where to start...
Here is the link to the story.
It was not just the six players that were implicated this past December for trading gear for Tattoo's...it turns out that NINE other current players are implicated in the story.
Ohio State has conceded that six current players committed an NCAA violation by trading memorabilia for tattoos or cash at Fine Line Ink: Pryor, tackle Mike Adams, running back Dan Herron, wide receiver DeVier Posey, defensive end Solomon Thomas and linebacker Jordan Whiting. Ellis, who spent time in and around the tattoo parlor for nearly 20 months, says that in addition to those six, he witnessed nine other active players swap memorabilia or give autographs for tattoos or money. Those players were defensive back C.J. Barnett, linebacker Dorian Bell, running back Jaamal Berry, running back Bo DeLande, defensive back Zach Domicone, linebacker Storm Klein, linebacker Etienne Sabino, defensive tackle John Simon and defensive end Nathan Williams. Ohio State declined to make any of its current players available to respond to SI.
Ellis claims that two players whose eligibility expired at the close of the 2010 season -- safety Jermale Hines and cornerback Devon Torrence -- also conducted at least one transaction with Rife involving memorabilia or autographs before the season ended. When asked by SI to respond, Hines, who was picked by the Rams in the fifth round of April's NFL draft, said, "I did nothing illegal." Torrence's agent, Jim Ivler, said his client "is adamant that the allegations are false. ... He can tell you where he got all his tattoos and it was not [at Fine Line Ink]."
Then there is Terrelle Pryor...
Now NCAA investigators and Ohio State are both looking into the use of cars by several current Buckeyes, including Pryor, who, a source close to one of the investigations told SI, might have driven as many as eight cars in his three years in Columbus. (Ohio State declined to make Pryor available for comment.) Former Buckeyes basketball player Mark Titus posted on his blog on May 24 that it was common knowledge among students that football players were driving cars too pricey for their means. "You'd have to be blind to not notice it," he wrote. Former wide receiver Ray Small confirmed last week to The Lantern, the Ohio State student newspaper, that he got a "deal" on a car from a Columbus dealer, but he did not provide the terms.
Doesn't sound like the largest compliance department in all of D1 was monitoring or educating their players of the rules for quite awhile.
And I mean years...
I am not surprised of the drug allegations in the article given how this whole story broke because of a federal drug investigation, but those will be hard to prove so to me it is hearsay.
Not exactly the bomb I expected to drop with all the twitter buzz over the past few days but this is still significant. Their is a good amount of on the record accounts here, this will probably go a long way to proving the unsubstantiated accusations that have been floating around.
There is a lot of stuff here...
Gene Smith is on the hook here for his comments that this was not systemic, not sure how he survives. Doug Archie as head of compliance is as gone as Tressel.
This stuff going on in this piece makes ANYTHING USC was hit for minor at the most.
I won't even comment on Tressel's alleged bad behavior that looks to date back to to when he was an assistant at Ohio State...and the rigged raffle.....Sheesh, I am speechless.
Lots read and dissect here, so I will close with this...If after this article, the NCAA can't see how all this new information falls under failure to monitor or a lack of institutional control charge then there will be some serious hell to pay.
WOW!
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Hahahaha! Nope. Tressel is the devil but tOSU is pure as driven snow
You’ll see, the sweater vest will get banned from CFB and Pryor will be hounded out of Columbus as the most hated man in the State of Ohio. The school will get a swat on the rump. One year bowl ban and a total of 10 scholarships.
Make no mistake, USC was a “special” case, with extraordinary punishments ordained from on-high. The SEC, Notre Dame and “The U” are toasting their ultimate victory and laughing their asses off tonight, and even the RICO Act can’t bring these guys to justice.
The Rose Bowl returns to it’s status as the pretty-but-meaningless flower pageant it became since USC won the National Championship in 1978. Ok, there were a couple of pre-BCS hiccups Washington and Michigan each winning one at the RB, but otherwise the Pac-10 and Big-10 were shut-out until the BCS era.
No wonder “The Granddaddy Of Them All” along with the Pac-10 and Big-10 caved in to join the BCS. Unfortunately for us, we were too successful for our own good.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
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No way
they let them off with 1 year bowl ban and 10 total scholarships. They’ll get something equal or greater than what you guys got. If they’re able to prove that this has been going on since 2002 that means they’re also repeat offenders, right?
this is some death penalty type of infraction, I know they’ll never hand that one out again, but they might go tv ban on tOSU.
Look behind the curtain King
This was an anti-Pac-12 move, kill USC and you kill the conference. Even those fool Ducks go down with the ship.
As far as tOSU is concerned, who the f#ck in SEC land is afraid of playing them? They’re useful patsies with an obese fan base that travels extremely well in the winter.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
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I don't agree with that
Look, I know I’m probably gonna get blasted for my opinion since I’m a Bruins fan. However, I think sc being sanctioned is good for the conference and sc in the long run. You’ve all got to agree that the Pac-10 was becoming the sc+9 conference. It was hurting the conference profile and reputation. Even though sc beat the big boys like tOSU, you got hammered when you lost to the other OSU because the rest of the Pac was considered to be garbage.
I think that with the sanctions, the rest of the pac will be able to catch up and have more parity. Having different teams in BCS games helps the conferences profile (specially if they win, unlike Oregon) sc will continue to be sc once the sanctions are over (see alabama) so even though you will go through a rough patch, you’ll be fine as long as Lane and Orgeron keep their noses clean.
So when you say “good for SC,” you must mean like cod liver oil and a high colonic, right?
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Yes
Obviously, it’s bad. You never want to get sanctioned. I’m just saying, the rest of the Pac getting it’s sh!t together isn’t all bad for sc.
true enough, although I have a feeling that the goalposts will just be moved again. I can’t tell you how many times I had to explain that SC didn’t need a conference championship when all conference teams played one another, and now that there’s a conference championship, ACC and SEC types will come out with some other reason why the Pac 12 doesn’t measure up.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Interesting theory
Its one way of looking at it, however I have to question your logic that the sanctioning of USC is good for the Pac-10. Oregon, OSU, and Stanford found ways to be competitive without USC being sanctioned. Will the sanctions help ucla? Probably. I don’t see how these type of sanctions help the conference. If the other power conferences are being let off the hook, and the best team in the Pac-10 is nailed, I seriously doubt that sending the #2 or #3 team into battle against the SEC or Big 10 only to get clobbered is good for the conference in the long run.
Is it good for conference parity? Yes, you could say that. Is it good for the media’s perception of the conference as weak? No its only going to re-enforce the notion that the Pac-10 is soft.
As far as getting blasted… I don’t have a problem with you bringing a bruin perspective here. I might not agree with you, but come back and post again. All we ask is don’t be a tool.
We're don't blast anyone here, that's a BN thing.
I get what you’re saying, sort of a “spread the money around” thing. The thing Bruins refuse to understand is that Ucla gains nothing when USC is down. Ucla football is in the toilet because of the failings of Ucla’s athletic department, end of story. You guys self-imposed the Neuheisel death penalty. Until that changes there is no hope for you guys.
Even through sanctions, USC will get its share of top recruits. See what happens after you fire Neuheisel and keep you natural recruits, the guys that are attending Cal, Washington, Oregon and the Arizonas here on the reservation. When was the last time you saw a guy like Marcedes Lewis or Maurice Jones-Drew in Westwood? Until the culture changes over there the drought will continue.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
UCLA
can benefit only if it gets its own business in order. As crazy as it sounds, I still have faith in Rick. I think our AD tied his hands a bit by making the retention of D.Walker a condition of his hiring. Let’s be honest, how many could forsee Chow going so horribly wrong? I think the current coaches will be able to turn things around (call it blind faith).
Rick can bring in the talent, it’s been about putting that talent in position to succeed and development that has been the issue, IMO.
So, I say all that to say that I agree that sc can’t be, shouldn’t be and won’t be a factor in the success of the UCLA FB program, it’s got to be about what we’re doing. That’s the only way we’ll get back to winning and making the city champsionship relevant again.
You said it King:
Rick can bring in the talent, it’s been about putting that talent in position to succeed and development that has been the issue, IMO.In other words, the guy can’t coach! At least Karl Dorrell put guys in the league, and no one ever accused him of being “slick.”
My opinion is on the same wave as yours, USC needs Ucla to play good football. The Pac-10/12 works best when the California schools are playing well.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
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Rick can bring in the talent? Last year's class was pretty weak, except...

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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
ZAZAZINGGGGGG!
Actually, that’s extraordinarily mean and uncalled for Tex. It hits way way below the belt! King is playing nice…
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Except
for Brett Hundley, Devin Lucien and Kevin McReynolds. I’m not going to deny that last years recruiting class was subpar. But it’s impossible to get recruits when you’re more focused on getting the right coordinators hired and just went through 4-8.
Also, when I say that putting the talent in the right position has been an issue, I’m more or less putting that on a couple of the positions coaches and the OC (specifically QB and WR). From what I’ve seen in practices and heard from coaches, that will change.
You’re putting out a circular argument there.
Look, if you are all in with Neuheisel that’s fine; and while Rick is the type to do it, you shouldn’t resort to laying “the pistol” debacle at Norm Chow’s feet.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
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Oh I don't blame Norm
Rick should have let Norm go a year earlier and brought in Manstro from Nevada like he has now. It was not a good idea to keep Norm and move to the Pistol. However, some blame SHOULD go to Norm since he agreed to it and told rick he could work out of it.
I also think trying to keep Norm away from sc cost him. Perhaps it was a genius move by Lane. Who knows if they were serious about him or not.
I don’t think the Pistol is the problem, rather the method in which it was implemented.
Very circular....
“Oh I don’t blame Norm”………“some blame SHOULD go to Norm”
Which is it?
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
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With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Both
lol…. Obviously the blame needs to go to the head guy. However, if I’m the OC and I don’t know how to run the pistol and I don’t like it, I’m not going to say I’m good with it.
looks like you should start coaching at UGLA
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 2, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Where did you hear that Chow was good with the pistol?
All of the public comments that I read, and statements that he made in private, were that he was against the “Pistol” experiment. Chow wasn’t going to quit. He had deferred money coming in the last year of his contract. Money that was promised to him when he came to ucla. The truth of the matter is that Norm Chow publicly denounced the pistol, and publicly disagreed with Neuheisel on starting QB. Neuheisel should have picked someone different if he wanted to call offensive plays.
It goes back to Neuheisel's motivation.
Good or bad, the guy is a former QB and NFL offensive coordinator. It was obvious at the outset that he would play a dominant role in defining and running Ucla’s offense.
Why in blazes did he hire Chow? Only for show, but that’s the mind of Slick Rick Neuheisel.
Heck, Ucla would have had a chance to win the Pac-10 last year if the lunatics at Bruins Nation and their enablers had shown some patience and decency towards Karl Dorrell. The presence of a more savvy and experienced Dorrell supported by Chow and Walker would have been a source of serious concern for USC fans. Neuheisel? LMAO! We hope he never leaves.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
I must admit
I thought Neuheisel would be more effective than Dorrell. After 3 seasons, he appears to be the bruin version of Paul Hackett
Yes LOCO you hit it out of the park with that one, Dorrell was getting better and would have beaten us last year and maybe the year before.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 3, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Chow wouldn't
have been hired if Dorrell was still here. There also wouldn’t be as much talent on the team. For all of Rick’s weaknesses, recruiting isn’t one of them.
D.Walker was always after the HC job, even when Dorrell was there so he would have left either way. Rick might not be the right guy, we will see after this upcoming season. That doesn’t change the fact that Dorrell was also not the right guy.
The one thing both hires have in common is Dan Guerrerro. If Rick doesn’t work out, I’m sure UCLA will be looking for a new AD. Someone with knowledge and experience of running a program with a FB program (something he didn’t have).
I hear Mike Garrett is available
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
I agree with you
Dorrell and Neuheisel are not the right coach for the bruins. The real mystery to me is why Coach Dorrell was vilified and run out of town, and coach neuheisel is still a coach that people believe in. Why does Neuheisel get more slack than Dorrell?
Until this year, I would have agreed with you about Neuheisel’s recruiting skills. However this year, he has regressed.
But could any coach be right for the great UGLA ?
Look at their BB program since Wooden left no coach stays very long and now the bRuins or judging Ben like the others, bRuins are always feel they are entitled to win it all. Ruins will always be just a step above a JC FB program, need a parking pass anyone.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 4, 2011 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Gee maybe you should hire PC as your next coach or maybe God.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 4, 2011 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you have the talent to make the pistol work
That’s just my opinion. Prince is going to get hurt again if you guys run it. He is prone to injury, and will be taking a lot of hits if he is used as a running threat with a porous O-Line. I still disagree with you about Norm. The problem with the ucla offense is that there were too many cooks, and not enough talent. I agree with you that Neuheisel hired Norm partially to stick it to USC.
But you can’t blame Norm for ucla’s problems. Norm is a proven coach. His record doesn’t lie. Neuheisel’s record is a strong start with a steady decline in the middle, and disgrace at the end.
Another questions is why Dorrell got run out of town and Neuheisel gets all of his failures blamed on his coordinators.
fun dorrell vs neuheisel stats
1. Dorrell had 1 losing season in 5 years. Neuheisel has 2 losing seasons in 3 years.
2. Dorrell never had a losing conference record in 5 seasons. Neuheisel has never had a winning conference record in 3 seasons.
3. Dorrell never finished lower than 5th place in the conference. Neuheisel never finished higher than 8th place in the conference.
4. Dorrell was 22-15 after 3 seasons. Neuheisel is 15-22 after 3 seasons.
5. Dorrell finished his tenure at 35-27. Rick Neuheisel needs at least 10 wins a season to equal that total.
6. Karl Dorrell is 1-3 in bowl games (all Dorrell teams made a bowl game. Dorrell was fired before the Las Vegas Bowl in his 5th year.) Neuheisel is 1-0 in bowl games (Neuheisel didn’t qualify for a bowl in 2 out of 3 years.
Dorrell was 1-4 against USC (0-3 after 3 seasons, vthe victory came in the 4th year.) Neuheisel is 0-3 against USC (Neuheisel played 2 of the worst USC teams in a decade during his 3 seasons and lost to them.)
Conclusion: Rick is worse than Dorrell in just about every way so far, with little or no hope of surpassing any of Dorrell’s stats.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Why the hatred of Dorrell
When Neuheisel’s record is clearly worse. Is it the dog and pony show addresses to the crowd after games? Or his parading around of the Eagle Bank Bowl Trophy as it really meant something to beat Temple.
Hey
it takes B@LLS to get up and make a post-game speech after a complete @ss whooping. Not many coaches would be willing to, specially after being made fun of in the media.
Wish it would stop but still, takes b@lls to do it.
Good Luck next season, here’s to having both our teams meeting up undefeated for the city champsionship (as it should be).
I guess its a matter of perspective
It took balls to predict the end of the world on May 21st 2011, but was it the smartest thing to do?
Thinking with his balls... It's even worse when said "junk" is small
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Balls how about stupidity, not a very good lawyer in my book but his name is Neuheisel and he is at UGLA.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 2, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
this guy could win it all for the Ruins state JC title in the works
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 3, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok where to start?
Rick Neuheisel is a horrible failure. ucla needs to spend the money and get a real coaching staff in order to attract big time recruits in Westwood. Neuheisel is all talk.
D Walker wasn’t the problem. Not scoring was the problem. When you talk about the BYU game that went awry, think about all the short fields and pick 6’s that the ucla QB’s threw. Neuheisel, and all of the ucla faithful believed they had the best staff in America when Chow and Walker were in Westwood. You can’t blame Walker, and Chow for Rick’s mistakes, and poor decisions.
Chow didn’t go wrong, Rick went wrong. There is nothing wrong with Norm Chow. Give him the horses, and he will get you the points. What went wrong was mediocre talent, combined with a head coach that wanted to run a spread hybrid offense with a pro-style OC.
You have faith…. and you should not give up on your team and coaches. Just don’t blame the other guys when its your HC thats the screw up. A majority of ucla fans ran Dorrell out of town on a rail when he went up against some of the best USC teams of all time… and even scored a win. Somehow those same witch-hunters are silent when it comes to Rick.
Dorrell 22-15 (through 3 seasons)
Neuheisel 15-22
You'll forgive me if completely disagree
that sounds like the same sort of tone that some in government make…take from the strong give to the weak for the sake of parity.
forgive the political reference as I like to keep that off the blog
So hammering USC is only way for the Pac to have equality?
the Pac doesn’t get its TV deal without USC. Take USC away and tell me what the financial worth is?
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Do you really want this guy’s ideas to run your football conference?
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Well you chumps will never catch up, face it you are Babies
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 31, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
typically
its 2 schollies for every 1 player involved. With possibly 28 players involved Ohio State could end up with over 50 schollies lost. I too doubt that will be the case, but if they use the Reggie Bush formula that means that the NCAA will punish Ohio State with 840 scholarships and 56 years of bowl bans, 112 years of probation, and vacation of the wins from the 2010 season.
It'll never happen
The Reggie standard was USC specific. As we now know every case and every COI is “unique.” Notre Dame and the SEC couldn’t beat us on the field and had to resort to their bureaucratic minions. It’s really pathetic when a has-been football school needs a sycophant girl named Missy to win their games for them. ND in bed with the loathsome head “Convict” from “The U,” that’s a marriage made in hell.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Hey Loco...
I caught the end of a Steve Hartman sportsman broadcast Saturday (I think) anyway I was stunned at how he was berating the harshness of the NCAA’s penalties against SC.
I know he wrote for the Daily Bruin while at UCLA and an avid fan without apology for his ‘favoritism’ which is fine. But it was why I stunned at his ‘supportive’ stance in SC’s favor about the penalties and failed appeal. His point at the end was ‘remember the name Paul Dee’.
With all the write-ups in sports magazines, etc. I have a feeling that even though SC will not take further action I have a feeling the ‘press’ or other interested parties may be pursuing the story or just how underhanded Dee is and the NCAA governing body.
Any thoughts….?
by trojanarchitect on May 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more Archie!
The press is extremely familiar with the Fat F*ck’s history at Miami and it drips with irony that he had the balls to impose on USC penalties more harsh than the ones he received. Somewhere out there there is a COI member that isn’t sitting right with this and if tOSU receives lenient treatment he/she/they will sing like a canary. One thing is for sure, it’s not going to be Missy Conboy!

Or you-know-who!

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
---
The ‘morals’ of hypocrites. Seems to just be part of the ‘regular’ news cycle — whether in sports or finance…etc..
That is one scary — tub O’Lard photo…
by trojanarchitect on May 31, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
One small victory
My kid REFUSED to apply to Notre Dame, they are a FRAUD and an embarrassment.



"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Oh come on, there was no hypocrisy about having the President come and speak at Notre Dame – he’s not a Catholic politician so the threats of excommunication don’t work!
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Here's our Fat F**k Friend in all his thug glory!
http://sportsbybrooks.com/ncaa-infraction-head-part-of-dirty-miami-program-28
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
one interesting but slightly irrelevant point
the first graph of the story offers two character witnesses for tressel. tony dungy and former 49ers owner eddie debartolo. the latter is somewhat… ironic.
His head bowed and speaking in a subdued voice, San Francisco 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr. pleaded guilty in federal court yesterday to a felony charge of failing to report that Louisiana’s former governor allegedly extorted $400,000 from him to win a casino license.
With the plea, DeBartolo avoided prison. But he agreed to pay $1 million in penalties, serve two years of probation and testify in future trials against ex-Governor Edwin Edwards and his son, Stephen, key targets in a federal probe into the state’s gambling industry.
via the san francisco chronicle
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
Sounds like.........
“a failure to monitor AND a lack of institutional control”………..TO ME!
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
This is some serious Sh*t!!!!!
“That support crumbled suddenly over Memorial Day weekend. Tressel was forced out three days after Sports Illustrated alerted Ohio State officials that the wrongdoing by Tressel’s players was far more widespread than had been reported. SI learned that the memorabilia-for-tattoos violations actually stretched back to 2002, Tressel’s second season at Ohio State, and involved at least 28 players — 22 more than the university has acknowledged. Those numbers include, beyond the six suspended players, an additional nine current players as well as nine former players whose alleged wrongdoing might fall within the NCAA’s four-year statute of limitations on violations.”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz1NtzYhAko
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Shall we dub this Tresselgate?
Don't play F A G! Do not play F A G! Don't- (BLAST F). OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU (BLAST A) DOING?! I SAID NOT TO (BLAST G)!
An all too common dichotomy, it seems
On one hand, Tressel seems to be a caring coach, trying to teach these young men about right and wrong, and on the other, he looks the other way or rationalizes when wrong choices are made (his or theirs) as not being all that wrong in the big picture.
I won’t say that he is a scumbag or some such, but he does clearly seem to be at least a hypocrite, and one that will likely cost tOSU quite a bit more than they would ever have expected. Part of that is the university’s own fault, as it seems that they were also eitehr willing to look the other way, or simply clueless about the actions of the football team.
Neither would seem to be much of an excuse…
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Have any big CFB stories been broken by ESPN/Fox/CBS?
Hasn’t been pretty for us, but it’s interesting that the biggest CFB investigative reporting has been done by entities who don’t have any skin in the game.
exactly.
those who are making $ off the game are loathe to ‘investigate’ it to closely.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on May 31, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It comes down to lying (imo)
Tressel and the rest of the staff at tosu have been able to plead ignorance for so long that they missed where stuff on the internets is never really gone.
The infractions by the players are small and stupid. It’s the coverup that will be the problem.
Go Bears Go
Pryor is driving 6 to 8 different cars
That’s not too small. The car thing might be pretty big. The tattoo stuff is small potatoes if you ask me.
It might well be – and the silly thing about cars is that by necessity, there’s a paper trail. It’s going to come out eventually.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
not necessarily
I thought I read somewhere that he might have only “purchased” one car…but was allowed to drive a few of the dealer “rental” vehicles they give you while your car is serviced. Not sure how true that is but I don’t think there would be a paper trail in that instance, at least not if the owner is in on it.
Ohio St fans are Hilarious....
This from their blog:
“Tressel departs Ohio State not as a liar; not as a manipulator and certainly not as a cheater. He leaves a man that cared for people—especially his players—and it’s being that man that got him into trouble. He was a man that is larger than life, yet always smaller than the company he kept.”
http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/2011/5/31/2197645/good-guy-gone-bad-the-story-of-tressel
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"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov
It's looking at him through scarlet-colored glasses, sure
but I can’t pretend to know what’s going on in someone else’s head when they do the things they do. I thought Spencer Hall’s take on the sbnation main site was measured, especially the following:
**And this is an important delineation. Tressel is not a grand villain, he was what everyone wanted all along: a slightly corrupt high school principal, a three-percent cheater, a friendly, local, and tolerable kind of corruption. Tressel did a lot of things off the field he’ll never be given enough credit for, including embracing gay athletes in concept, something that would flip wigs almost anywhere else in college football. He’s a complex character and deserves that treatment. Jim Tressel is the guy who owned Michigan for the better part of a decade, who dismantled Oregon’s touchdown orgy in 2009, and who legitimately helped a lot of people in the Columbus area. He’s also the man who lied to the NCAA, lost to USC and Florida, and who willfully ignored the nutrient-rich bath of benefits athletes marinated in while playing for Ohio State in Columbus. Same dude in all instances, and certainly not alone in any of it.
Is he a good coach? Yes...Did he lie? Yes...
Did he bring this on himself? No doubt… So he has to deal with with his actions, he is NOT a saint.
The other thing is where is the AD of tOSU in ALL of this? I know Mike Garrett had alot of answering; ahemm “posturing” to do during our charade w/ NCAA.
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov
by Kidd2Petrovic on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember all these high profile kids get stuff that is not in the rules but now I guess the stupid ncaa has to come down on a few.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 31, 2011 7:07 PM PDT reply actions
Ok some random thoughts I wanted to share....
Because I used to come here and rib you guys about the Caroll and Bush thing, I felt the need to come her and comment on the situation at Ohio State and for the NCAA. I also wanted to come back here as I felt my ideas would simply be ignored by the OSU fans who are nuts and too raw to hear it right now.
Some of what I posted here earlier was good natured antagonism between competing teams played out on the web, and part of that was because I think Carroll and USC were years ahead in dealing with something that all of college sports is struggling with: walking the line between business and amateurism. For those who want to field a team consistently capable of playing for number one this is no small issue.
I thought the NCAA was going to use their ruling on USC to set landmark precedent that would help schools navigate this new era of hyper commercialism, which they clearly did not do.
As someone who has been troubled by the commercialization of college sports for a long time, I was so disgusted by Tatgate, that I did not watch the bowl game at all, and really washed my hands of it. It really bothered me that the NCAA, the Sugar Bowl, and others needed the cheaters to play and make it a good game to protect their revenue. It made me angry when Ohio State’s administration found a way to get these player to play. And it made me f*cking meltdown when I found out Tressel lied and withheld information that let everyone else act like dumbasses. Yes, they all made bad decisions, but Tressel made this turd ripe and really threw this at everyone’s feet.
I am glad Tressel is gone, and sorry it took this long to get him to leave. It was too much for me to take when Gee was used as a beard and the calming “serious” voice of the university to say everything was alright. Ohio State is actually an institution aside from football. Its been my experience, from the president, to the deans, to the professors, and even the TAs, all are free to judge the so called student athletes as students, not as cash crops for the university. By speaking up the way he did, Gee put all the integrity of that system at risk in a way I’ve never thought would happen, and I fear started the school on a bad path. Mind you, I know the athletic department works to find ways to make it work for the players, but thought the president imposed limits on them. The tat5 nonsense took all this to a new level that is bad for the school.
Back when the Clarett thing played out, I was convinced that tressel’s “ignorance” was either by design or because he was simply lying about what he knew. At the time, I thought his people built in sort of a plausible deniability that protected him from actually knowing the specifics of what was going on, even though he probably was aware in a general sense that their was a low level sleazy set ready to compensate players. When I say low level, its not to minimize that breaking the rules is wrong, but rather to observe if guys are selling memorabilia for cash, they are probably not getting a lot of money elsewhere. Of course, if you look at the recent SI article clearly some guys are getting bigger payouts, so I guess we’ll learn more about that going forward.
As for the state of things at OSU, its become such a dynamic situation, it hard to describe. I don’t think we know what the NCAA knows, and I think that even if they rule on what they do know, they’ll have to open more investigations and revise their initial findings. If the death penalty is on the table, I’m ok with that
I’m not trying to marginalize the importance of what happened at OSU, but the long and short of it is until the NCAA reconciles their rules with the realities of the business of sports, these kinds of things will keep on going. And some “stipend” to cover a players exchange for labor, will fail to address that the athlete posses one of the scarcest commodities of all “celebrity” and sports fans being among the most irrational consumers of all will be willing to spend that extra dollar to get as close to that as they can. In other words even if paid the NCAA won’t be able to impose some sort of meaningful cap, and the rules will still be broken.
Make it an explicit business, but if its a bidding war to be the best funded minor league sports teams with the most NFL bound talent, I’m glad OSU is/will be out it for a while.
With the investigations at Ohio State, and Auburn requiring the justice department, even if only in a tangential role, I’m sure we are but a few years away from more of a market driven system that still relies on the schools. I’ve got to think a number of top coaches/ADs/and even companies like Nike and Adidas are looking at what is happening at OSU, USC, and Boise thinking they need the protection and reliability of a more stable system. But really this is minor league sports made big with students and alumni, but its nothing the universities need to be involved in anymore. Let the NFL figure out how to grow talent, and let a guy like Maurice Claret, or Cam Newton reach their full athletic potential without making them subject to a black market, or without threatening the integrity of the school.
"NCAA/BCS is about cash money, and Boise can't afford the buy in" - president of "the" Ohio State University.
All good ideas
I think they should let players try to market themselves. As long as the school has nothing to do with it, and the players hire their own marketing agents, let them make a buck if they want to. I’m sure someone will find a way to pervert this idea into something shady, but what we have now is definitely not working.
I agree...
that the fringe benefits for players, either family friends/agents like Bush, or local businessmen in the community like OSU, happen at every major CFB program. You will never clean up this situation, but a more reasonable stipend would help.
The NCAA is a corrupt monopoly incapable and unwilling to be a part of the solution. Blow it up and start over.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Great points but to me it is not enough (not pointing the finger at you though) and I appreciate you coming by...
But there are some issues that need to be aired…
Maurice Clarett was totally run over by the AD at the time (Geiger?) with Tressel categorically denying anything and everything Clarett said or insinuated. Not only did Clarett tell the truth, but Tressel, the AD and Ohio State systematically set out to destroy Clarett.
Clarett trusted Tressel with everything — and Tressel screwed him.
Ohio State and Tressel committed a character assassination on a 20 year-old kid. It was sickening. And it was sickening that the NCAA and every sportswriter and the College football fans everywhere bought it.
They bought into Lloyd Lake with Reggie Bush but not Clarett who was there at ground zero?
That kid got hung out to dry.
The result of Clarett’s life for the past 8 years has been a hell that the Ohio State Athletic machine started, fed, feasted upon and then despised. I have nothing but contempt for your previous AD and Tressel and those members of the Ohio State fan base who played along casting Clarett aside aside as like a piece of garbage.
I don’t care about Maurice Clarett as a person. Much of his problems were his own fault so he has to pay the piper. But all of those mentioned above rose to the greatest heights in their profession based primarily upon that particular teenagers ability to run the football.
tOSU was treading water until 2002.
And just one year later, after that National Championship, they all screwed him.
Some of your fan base is doing EXACTLY what USC did during Bush/Mayo…They don’t think the NCAA will take the word of a drug dealer or a convicted felon…
Really? two words…
LLOYD LAKE
You guys are whistling past the graveyard…maybe they will and maybe they won’t but don’t be surprised if the NCAA threw in the LOIC charge. The NCAA is unpredictable…they were embarrassed by the Sugar Bowl mess and they have a long memory.
The train is bearing down and some of your fans are asleep on the tracks….
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Not enough, yes, but so much where to start...
I totally agree about not enough. The problem for OSU is where to start. I mean, one could write volumes about all of these infractions. Clarett, the Tat5, Pryor, and others….
From my expository musings, take two general topics: The NCAA as a business enforcing a non-for profit rule structure on their employees, The OSU violations generally.
NCAA as a non-profit screwing players…
They NCAA has created a black market, and OSU has shamelessly been caught trading in it in the worst way. I agree whole heartedly on your thoughts about Clarett, and need to check in on his blog, if he still writes it, to get his take. They, Cbus intelligentsia, are circling the wagons and will do the same thing to Pryor, and probably others before this is done.
The guy has torn his body up for the program, and now they are about to ruin his future. He is not an angel, but what can we expect from some poor kid from the wrong side of town caught up in system as rich as this based on kick backs and payoffs? And I’m talking about what coaches are allowed to take from people under the rules. The kids see this and know this, but are expected to be “good” I mean, Nike has been bending over backwards to get OSU to change their uniforms for everyother game in order to boost sales, but Pryor can not turn around and sell the very same pants nike wanted him to wear in the Michigan game? I get those are the rules, but it is so hypocritical it makes me sick.
If Pryor had a proper agent, an outlet to be paid, earn bonuses for his accomplishments, a chance to play for a farm team, occasionally see the NFL, until he either ends up in Canada or in the US on Sundays this would be much better for him, and the sport. I mean, Pryor is too good not to follow up on as potential talent, but he is clearly not good enough to mature into the pros with a max of 5 years. What if he had a chance to play for 7 or 8? Ugh.. like I said so much where to start… I don’t want to digress. I am not trying to deflect this from OSU, but this is yet another example of how the players suffer.
OSU infractions generally…..
On the face of it, if a Coach lies to the AD and President like Tressel did: that is LOIC straight up! No way around it. Its a shame Gee did not fire Tressel as soon as it came out he lied about the timing of things. Because he waited, Gee owns this as much as Tressel and Gene Smith.
Start with LOIC and work backwards, god only knows what they will find. It will be like looking for life after nuclear war. The situation is still evolving, and its not over. The people in Cbus have always maintained that the program held itself to a higher standard, as much as any top ten program could. I really think it used to, and should be held to a higher standard today because people always said it was! If that means death penalty, so be it.
I mean, it was my belief that there was a very low level of payoffs and kickbacks to the players that operated as sort of a tacit agreement between the President, AD, Coach and players such that if it happens and is small, I won’t look for it, but if it makes the news, the player “cant be helped”, and if it it happens too often will eventually eat up some of the coaching staff, and eventually the coach. For this reason, players knew not to get too showy, and the coaches knew they had to keep it cheap, and insulate themselves from it.
The information age killed this along with how clearly overheated things got at OSU under Tressel… whistling past the grave yard is a pretty good expression for this. I’m sure we will learn more about how rich things got and how willing legitimate local business were to participate – not nearly as shady as Lake – as OSU eclipsed Woody’s wildest dreams.
For the administration and boosters, its basically white collar crime, so I don’t look for any real accountability at the top.
As you observed with Clarett, he got royally screwed. I think about him often, and its his tragic downfall that started me on my feelings about the business of sports a little less than ten years ago. The players are the ones who get hurt the most, and this will continue. I think that means different things in different towns all depending on the team. And as big as Columbus has gotten, its still pretty small town at the top. When things get tough at the top the people who “run it” will stand shoulder to shoulder and will royally screw anyone who threatens their business, or them. Thats nothing any 17 or 18 year old can possibly understand when they are dreaming of BCS rings. They need the explicit protection that real employment provides! Nothing else will help them navigate this kind of situation.
I kid you not, Columbus is not about show business but it is run like Pottersville from a Frank Capra movie. Sure Tressel and Geiger were part of the assassination of Clarett, but there are many others who were willing to be a part of it too. Look at the news station in Cbus who suddenly discovered Pryor has a suspeneded license. Look at who owns that station, look at their relationship to the trustees of the University. Its not as if SI needed to send in a pullizter winning writer to discover all this. Think about that while watcing the Memorial this weekend. They build people up, they tear them down. (Nicklaus was nearly bankrupt by that golf course and community he built there, and needed the financial help from the owners of the Dispatch to save the entire project, and they did because it was good for the city to have a celebrity like Nicklaus still in good standing not just some old has been). This kind of thing will never be aired or fixed, its just how the central ohio works.
But now I sound like some old populist crank from Ohio, so I’ll stop….. thanks for listening.
"NCAA/BCS is about cash money, and Boise can't afford the buy in" - president of "the" Ohio State University.
by Buckeye Bobo on Jun 2, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
As an ex college tennis player the ncaa did nothing for me and even took my eligibility, so i played for a Naia school, even though I was better than half the player at USC and UGLA>
Nice thing about not playing for a ncaa school I could work as a bartender make more money than my coach and AD and still play the sport I loved. So I say go -uck yourself ncaa as I have for 33 years.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 2, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions

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