UPDATED: Why there will be no lawsuit against the NCAA
Update at the end of the piece...P
If you scan the various USC message boards there is of course a lot of anger being vented toward the current administration starting at Heritage Hall all the way up to the Board of Trustees.
The anger is simple in nature...instead of FIGHT ON! it was more like ROLL OVER!
USC's lack of an aggressive PR campaign going back to the previous administration all the way through to this weeks final chapter of the appeal being denied have left many USC faithful bewildered to say the least and down right angry at the most.
Whatever the reason, USC chose the LEAST aggressive path it could take in the face of some of the worst sanctions ever to be handed down for some of the most minor offenses ever committed. There was no academic fraud, there was no USC coach, employee or big name booster (Ornstein and Guillory were deemed boosters after the fact) that was ever accused of paying a player etc.
USC is not blameless either though. Guillory should have never been allowed on campus let alone the basketball offices. If Mike Garrett was willing to admit that Mayo took money then why not admit that Bush took money? USC readily admitted that Bush was probably (he was) ineligible for the 2005 season so why not self-sanction football like USC did to basketball?
In the end that really doesn't matter. We are where we are, but that doesn't mean that many fans and alums aren't pissed off.
So why not challenge the NCAA?
The prime reasons or rumors given are that USC is looking at the bigger picture.
With the huge donations they are pulling in getting into a long protracted legal battle would be a messy distraction. A messy distraction is not something these pillars of industry and education are comfortable in dealing with. Regardless of their education and success most of the people making the decisions have never picked up anything heavier than a pencil...asking them to roll their sleeves up and get into a junkyard brawl where the main rule is "there are no rules" is simply unseemly to them.
But in the end that isn't the real reason.
USC's punishment was rooted in lax compliance. Be it a car registration form not properly filled out or phone records not checked thorough enough, USC got hit because they SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN means someone was asleep at the switch.
It is clear that compliance was lax. 2 compliance officers for 16 or so sports is a little light in the NCAA's eyes...especially if your aren't catching the infractions.
The real reason is simple and you don't have to look any further than the Presidents office...
Before he became president of USC Max Nikias was in charge of compliance under President Steven Sample. These infractions happened on his watch.
They are at his feet.
If USC were to go to war with the NCAA the discovery process alone would be a sight to behold. Sure, USC would get a shot at the internal workings and communications of the NCAA but we all know it cuts both ways...and the rumors abound that there is plenty that USC doesn't really want to discuss in a public forum.
Nikias' heading compliance alone is enough to keep USC out of court. Nikias has never shied away from his being a football fan. He was one of Pete Carroll's biggest supporters. Putting him in a deposition would essentially give the University a black eye if for no other reason he ran a lax compliance department.
The headline could read..."Football fan President at USC looked the other way while overseeing compliance".
Yeah, that works...
That would not sit well with donors who want to give money to the school. They don't want their benevolence tarnished because of what might come out in a protracted legal battle with the NCAA.
I am not a fan of how Pat Haden handled this but he was dealt a crappy hand. And for someone who supposedly likes to get major business deals done this was not the case to go off the reservation.
There might be some skeletons out there that many do not want unearthed. Once discovery starts all bets are off...you never know what might become public. With USC's grand plan those type of details could really throw a monkey in the wrench.
I am not breaking any new ground here. Nikias' history is well known and anyone who has read any press release or story about USC's hierarchy already knows this. I am just surprised that there hasn't been more written about it in the past.
USC is not going to court no matter how bad some of us want them to. The things that could be brought to the surface would be a Beeline right back to Max Nikias and possibly to the Board of Trustees.
That is bad for business when you are trying to build USC's stature the way the current administration is already doing.
UPDATE:
I received a phone call this morning from someone with some pertinent information that will clarify this piece...
1) The office of the Provost has oversight of athletic compliance. That does not mean that Dr. Nikias was Head of Compliance, just that as Provost Compliance was one of the many things that fell under his umbrella of responsibility. as it was explained to me Dr. Nikias did make some changes when he assumed responsibility as Provost, but I was not given any real specifics or time lines.
2) Dr. Nikias did not become Provost until mid-late 2005. By then Reggie was already on his money grab. I won't lay that at Dr. Nikias' feet. But Mayo, the Papdakis dinners, the extra coach, the extra phone calls did happen when Dr. Nikias was Provost. As weak as the Papdakis dinners, the extra coach, the extra phone calls are to many of us, whether we like it of not, they were used as the foundation for the LOIC charge.
The bottom line is this...Nowhere in the piece did I accuse or imply Dr. Nikias of any wrong doing...merely that compliance issues happened on his watch.
Finally, the take home message is a simple one...How do you think it would look to have the President of USC, who has been one of the biggest purveyors of donations in school history having to sit for a deposition about something as minor as a recruiting dinner that didn't pass the NCAA's smell test.
USC is pretty savvy, so they won't put themselves into that position. Like I said, it is bad for business.
This is simply one opinion...MINE. Dr. Nikias has been nothing but great for USC.The school is in great hands but as I said above going to war is not on these peoples nature. It is unseemly.
Another point...if USC were to go war with the NCAA as I noted above, discovery cuts both ways. If the NCAA found any other infractions they could re-investigate...there is no double jeopardy with the NCAA. Even though it took them 4-years to find very little that they used to nail USC, I would not put it past them to "find" something else.
That is why USC is moving on...
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Didn't realize that Nikiass was in charge of compliance, nice work greek boy
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 27, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
Easy there socal:)
P what you say makes a lot of sense, this chapter is over, time to write the next one.
Roll Over! I mean, Fight On!
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Sorry G just giving Nick a hard time, I just wish he would have been more on the ball along with Garrett and PC.
Don’t get me started with that Hillbilly TF
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 27, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
No problem socal, I was just pushing a button.....:)
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Good point
True, it’s more important to win the war than to win individual battles. A lawsuit here would be a messy bloody battle, and it would come at the cost of the larger “war” of bringing in the money and keeping things rolling.
I don’t know all the details of the situation, but it’s refreshing to see some admission of guilt for USC’s part in this by fans instead of the complete rabid defensiveness and wanting the tail to wag the dog and change all the rules over at Ohio State fanland.
Good summation Mr. P.
You right as bad as it taste and tasted for the last year, it is time move on and ‘Fight On’ through the rough period ahead. On the bright side I don’t think it will be as awful as the "Hackett" years.
I am glad you wrote about Max being a big FB fan. That circumvents the "Stanford" push regularly voiced by ‘Loco’ relegating FB to a ‘past’ glory.
I am not thrilled at PH’s roll-over from the start either but he was dealt a really crappy hand by Garrett.
I don’t believe belaboring the mess any longer serves "USc" well. SC never pleaded complete innocence nor was it is as ‘guilty’ as projected among the rabid SC Haters of which there are plenty. The most guilty person is sitting pretty ‘sans’ his statue but more $$$ to cuddle up to. He used and screwed SC in the process and that will not change either.
I also doubt that other Institutions will be held to the same "Standard" set by the NCAA with punishing USC because they gave themselves so much wiggle room in the ‘case by case’ mantra. So screw them and move on. We just have to play them one better – survive and thrive despite their actions. It will just take time. We need to support the staff and kids (big kids) who did not get us here but who are here now.
Maybe billboards and ads like the Med School ones would remind us all,
To "FIGHT ON" means to do so under adversity not just in good times…….
Just as we were dubbed the Trojans by LA Times writer Olin Bird – When USC was losing badly to Stanford in a track meet and SC lost by a considerable amount; LA he wrote that USC “Fought on like Trojans”.
So the energy used for ‘grieving and anger’ can be put to better use.
FIGHT ON!
by trojanarchitect on May 27, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
Well, I'm glad Paragon finally went there.
I’ve never denied the fact that Super Max is/was a huge PC supporter or that he loves football. However, he is indeed a big picture guys and when faced with choosing between improving USC’s endowment and academic standing (yes, here I go with Project Stanfurd again :-P) and bloody fight with the NCAA to “save” the football team, the choice was obvious.
On a more practical matter, what do you guys think of my idea of elevating the USC Rugby Football Club into a scholarship sport? The team could be stocked with two sport athletes that could play rugby from January to June and football from August to December. Hell, they could train alongside the football team. What say you>
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
hey Mr Loco
You sound calmer today … holiday weekend?
I like the idea…. but you mentioned Soccer too? Or someone did… PH is going to have to ‘re-balance’ the M/W ratio soon I would think…. just seems focused on adding W-sports.
I have heard the W-sports players are only willing to come/play with a scholarship where as many M-sports players if financially able to come just want to play… ???
by trojanarchitect on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't get that either
My very own daughter spurned USC and will be headed to Kal in August. Go figure…
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Better a Golden Bear than bRuin...
what happens when SC passes Berkeley in the Princeton Review…. mum?
by trojanarchitect on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
NEVER A BrUIN, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!!!!! OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!!!!!!
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Even in the down moments -- "look on the bright side of life"
by trojanarchitect on May 27, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, what is it with girls and the UC schools?
What if SC had women’s gymnastics?
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
It would be validation of
the gymnastics reliefs on Galen Ctr…. reliefs of sports we don’t have…
by trojanarchitect on May 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll drink to that!
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Congratulations to your daughter.
May not be USC, but Cal is still a great school.
by Julio Nievas on May 27, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It would certainly irritate the shit out of Cal
A number of their alumni had a fit because the Cal rugby team was demoted from full varsity status to “club team with benefits,” which I took to be an accounting trick. I think their team was one of the few that had full varsity status.
I briefly thought about trying out for club rugby at SC when I was a freshman – until I saw the size of the guys who were playing it, and decided I’d rather not get snapped in two.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I'm glad you embrace the concept DC
This is one of the oldest team sports on campus and it’s a shame it’s relegated to club level. Needless to say, there is an extreme level of compatibility between ruggers and football players. Rugby could prove to be a ready reserve of scholarship level talent. As our resident rugby sage, I hope you can put up a post with your ideas on the subject.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
If I'm the sage of rugby, the bar is very low...
…but yeah, I’ll give it some thought.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
the challenge is that the modern
sports are so very very different now.
only the ball is similarly shaped. I do hope SC does look at upping rugby to a full sport, though. We need more competition in college rugby generally.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on May 27, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Classy...
Always embrace competition!
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Yah when I was playing HS football we played Rugby in off season.
We had both Wersching Bros you know the 49ers Ray Wersching
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 27, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree w/ Para's speculation
“bones in the closet”? like what? the NCAA investigated for 4 years. I personally believe that there is nothing to hide. I have not heard any compelling information to make me worry about “bones in the closet”.
however, the lawsuit would be a vanity suit that would accomplish little. and, why extend the black cloud, when McNair will do this dirty work for us? sure hope T-Mac files his suit soon.
I have been told that earnest, productive steps have been taken to start a PAC that will lead an initiative to force the NCAA to work with an independent enforcement body that ensures fair due process. I will support this effort wholeheartedly if it happens.
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Disagree all you want...
I am solid on what I said. and I seldom pull the “sources” card unless I have it…and I have it here.
And watch out what you wish for….
TMac’s lawsuit could leave no stone unturned…could be embarrassing for a few people…past and present.
As for the PAC…I have heard the same things but that is in its infancy. When it is actually set up and officially announced then I will believe it
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
You play the card occasionally but rarely name your sources
kind of weakens the card, don’t you think?
A USC lawsuit would focus on due process. Sure litigators would cast a wide net, but the legal argument would be quite limited in scope.
Now, I agree that a T-Mac lawsuit would be a free for all.
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Sources like to stay behind the scenes
This is not your regular source…it is a little closer to “home” so I am definitely protecting this one.
a USC lawsuit “might” and a good litigator could “slip” some info in (objection sustained) but a TMac lawsuit would blow open a lot of doors.
You miss the point here I WANT ‘SC to go to war…I am not bound by the alum/donor stuff…I really only care about football. but they won’t because the stakes are too high…
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
one other thing...
…but rarely name sources…kind of weakens the card, don’t you think?
Tell that Woodward and Burnstein
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
T-Mac will sue, but there will not be a trial, ever.
They’ll give him his millions and he’ll sign an agreement to STFU.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
+1
I guess I’ll have to wait for Para’s book when he exposes his Deep Throat. :-P
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Joke all you want...
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
Might not be just about money...
I agree he will get millions but if it were me my reputation is priceless…
He may go through it all just clear his name even if he makes only ONE dollar.
Hard to know until you walk in another mans shoes…not as easy as you think.
"Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea,"
"We aim .......... to please"
Conquest Chronicles
This could be true...
If T-Mac is paying his lawyer by the hour. Since it’s a safe bet they’ve partnered up, the objective will be a cash settlement and reinstatement. All McNair will have to do is drop the case and agree to stfu.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
So basically, USC can’t go to court against the NCAA because they not only knew they fucked up for not being the brightest when it came to compliance, but Nikias was responsible for everything.
I hope this quiets all the Haden bashers. Like Paragon said, Haden was dealt with a bad hand and did as much as he could. I believe in the BoT that they picked the best person possible to be the next Athletic Director. I don’t think they’re stupid. It’s not like they hear USC’s fan’s frustration, they’re frustrated as hell too.
Nikias was responsible for everything.
In the sense that “the buck stops here,” maybe. But no-one, not one person, was taking compliance seriously. And I don’t mean the whole Bush imobroglio, because even if you go with the usual rejoinder “well what about when he showed up with the car,” it was too late anyway to do anything about shenanigans far away from the flagpole. The fact that Mayo happened is on everyone in that management chain.
Sometimes people screw up. Sometimes whole groups of people screw up. That doesn’t mean you fire every single one of them, just the ones who are not going to get out of the way of a solution. Kiffin and his staff are being given a chance to be part of that solution. So far so good.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I just wonder what is next ....
We have to move ahead give support and not eat our young.
I think Kiffin has shown he is better at the PR game (& in reality) than he was given credit. It is driving his critics nuts.
by trojanarchitect on May 27, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree on kiffin.
his problems stem from jumping around to much, imo. If he stays put for a while, I think he’ll do a good job not just for the team, but the university as a whole.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on May 27, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
give people a chance
In the grand scheme of things, it couldn’t really get much worse as long as someone’s keeping an eye on folks over recruiting. Let Kiffin and the rest of the coaches see what they can do, and we can all just relax for a while. It’s not going to be pretty, there’s no need to make the next few months worse by looking to add more instability to the team by Kiffin being under threat.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
How much worse can it get? They can’t ban Kiff and O from coaching and we can only recruit six scholarship guys in 2012. Kiff will be smashing at attracting a bunch of 7/8 scale local guys that will walk-on, work-on and Fight On just for the experience. Hell, we went to an NC game with a couple of Tings (not that it worked out so well) so it can be done!
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
That’s the spirit. Look, at some point, all you can ask from these kids is that they try. If bolstering the ranks with some walk-ons helps, great.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Don't worry when I become Dictator of the Americas, first thing I do is put the whole COI in prison and over turn their rulings.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 29, 2011 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It should be easier to get to and park at the Coliseum this year.
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
yah I might even go since i hate large crowds, heck maybe they can play their games at CC and the drive won't be so bad
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 28, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Time to move on... to the next three years
Yeah… the very flawed NCAA and their very flawed investigation and very flawed rulings are now history… only the very flawed aftermath remains. The main trouble for USC is this: Reggie and Lamar DID DO IT… regardless of USC’s alleged knowledge and/or complicity. Their corruption and greed are at the heart of this whole mess exacerbated by the O.J. Mayo affair as well. Say what you will about the NCAA and its integrity… a lawsuit, in my mind, is so much thrashing in the dark… and expensive thrashing at that. Resources are better used to make damn sure this kind of trainwreck doesn’t happen again. The Trojan program will live through this and if any injustice seems to have gone unpunished… just remember this: “what goes around comes around”. Folks in Columbus and places further east are sweating out this one right now. And on the subject of lawsuits and aftermath… here’s one more thing… what if McNair wins?
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