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The USC Proposed Uniform Change

As many of you have probably already heard USC is looking at a alternate uniform for at least the UCLA game.

You can see something similar to the final design on Wolf's Blog

I will tell you that I am not a fan...the obvious reason is tradition. Why change something that has worked so well, for so long and is timeless?

I could see Black Helmets with our standard home uniform but I am not sold on this.

Of course this runs along generational lines. Old farts like me don't like change, especially when it comes to tradition, unless we can control it while it appears that the younger, hipper crowd couldn't wait to be a part of it.

Nike is doing a rivalry game uniform deal with several schools around the country and they approached USC to be involved. When a group of players were asked about it, they "went nuts" and said they wanted to take part. With that, USC will face the Bruins while wearing all cardinal jerseys and a black helmet with gold Trojan logo.

This change is bound to be controversial for many Trojan fans because the USC uniform is among the most traditional in college football, it is known for a simplistic and classic style and there is always going to be a certain amount of hesitation any time drastic changes are made, even if it is only for one game.

Of course, Garry P. goes on to make the Oregon comparison...and he is dead on.

It is simply generational...

No one will dispute Oregon's rise of late, but before their regular season on field success of the past two seasons they were known for their weird uniform combination's. I understand about pressing your brand but for USC to go down this road is just one more oddity of the Pat Haden era at USC. Mike Garrett wouldn't even allow black socks...could you imagine his response if Nike floated this idea when he was AD?

One other thing as I think about it, Lane Kiffin has talked about USC's long traditions since he arrived almost a year and a half ago. Who approached the players? Was this Kiffin's idea or Haden's? If it is Haden's well then there you go....but if it is Kiffin's so much for tradition.

I will watch the team no matter what but that doesn't mean I have to be happy with this change, even if its for just one game.

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Classy!!

I love the anthracite helmets. Tradition is good and, breaking from tradition with these uniforms is great. “Everybody’s crazy ’bout a sharp-dressed man.”
                                                                                 Z Z Top

"What you are entrusted to do as a coach is to create an environment where your players have a chance to be successful." CHIP KELLY

by Famous Duck on May 10, 2011 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm somewhat of a nouveau SC fan

but messing with the uniform is not an appealing idea to me. I get that the athletic department gets to sell new jerseys in the bookstore and it resonates with the kids these days, but something SC has that most of these other schools that have taken hold of this specialty uniform craze in recent years is TRADITION. Maybe kids these days don’t care about tradition and only care about wearing fresh fly threads each week, but to the fans, it almost seems a little insulting – especially the part about the expectation for people to shell out more $$$ for this new variation.

Messing with the basketball uniforms was fine (because admittedly, there’s not nearly the long, proud tradition as with football), but football is the real deal – don’t treat it like kiddie stuff!

by FightOn09 on May 10, 2011 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd!

from an old SC fan

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on May 10, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree on those dumb uniforms, why do we have to be like Oregon a team with little or none at all when it comes to tradition.

BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.

oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.

by so.cal.native1952 on May 12, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No thanks

Black helmets would be hideous. I really hope USC doesn’t stoop to this crap. USC’s home uniforms are perfect as they are, and when USC and UCLA are both wearing their home uniforms when they play each other it looks amazing. No need to let Nike screw with any of USC’s football uniforms, those stunts are for schools that don’t have the same tradition, history and iconic uniforms as USC.

I’m not some bitter old fart either, I’m 21.

Just waiting until September

by Shackleford on May 10, 2011 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

This is a disgrace

there is no reason to change the uniform even for a game. Its a dumb gimmick, will get zero recruits (really only the dumbest of the dumb would chose a school based on some gimmicky alternate jersey) and will only serve to alienate the fanbase in a time of upheaval. Hopefully it will be so poorly received it won’t happen.

by ilium55 on May 10, 2011 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

No

Just…no.

Don't play F A G! Do not play F A G! Don't- (BLAST F). OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU (BLAST A) DOING?! I SAID NOT TO (BLAST G)!

by DFWTrojanTuba on May 11, 2011 12:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Different Point of View...

I don’t have a problem with the proposed unis.

And I believe tradition is everything at USC.

Here’s the rationale: “Tradition” means (to me, and to Websters) “the passing down of elements of culture from generation to generation”. Alternative, a “time honored practice”. But “tradition” doesn’t necesarily demand that you “don’t change anything…ever!”. In fact, “never change” is an aproach that is ultimately doomed to fail.

One could agrue that the proposed uniforms do honor USC tradition because they are “cardinal and gold”, and they have the traditional “Trojan” on the hlemet. For me, the bottom line is that I can take a quick glance at unis and tell it’s USC. When ESPN highlights are playing in the bar, I’d immediately turn to big screen when Robert Woods catches the game winner.

A school that honors tradition always has room for more. I could foresee that USC could develop a tradition where they break out a new uni every year for the UCLA game, taking care to honor the essential elements of USC uniforms. It would generate addition buzz and excitement about the USC program and about a rivalry that has become less competitive in recent years. My biggest concern has always been that USC will take the game too lightly (fortunately,they almost never do). A new uniform tradition would reinforce that the UCLA game is special, even if the opponent is a perpetual conference bottomfeeder. Heck, the USC coaches could even make the players earn the new unis, and withhold them for substandard seasons.

The vast majority of the USC players develop a tremendous appreciation for the tradition of USC. I don’t think a different uniform (as long as it embraces the Trojan image) deminishes the tradition one bit. And, if its something that fun and exciting for the players, its hard to argue against it. JMO.

by TrojanJAG on May 11, 2011 6:23 AM PDT reply actions  

+1 - I love it!

I don’t want the “new USC” to be a staid, stodgy program handcuffed by ancient traditions. USC is evolving….a leading edge school. I want the “new USC” to be an adventurous, fun, hip leader. I’m sure that any new uniforms will look bad ass and the kids will love them. USC should be a progressive leader, not Penn St. Lighten up, have some fun, it’s just for one game. If the team wants to do it, then I wholeheartedly support them.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on May 11, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Furthermore, it's not just Oregon

They may have started it, but uniform designs are evolving throughout college football.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on May 11, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

And, we shouldn't underestimate the value of being fashion-forward to recruits

The Black Mamba and other recruits are partially drawn to Oregon by the uniforms. Fashion is very important to some of these kids. It is a part of their culture. Hell, it is a big part of American culture. Lane is extremely smart. I believe he sees the value of fashion/uniforms, and does not want USC at even the smallest competitive advantage. We are in a highly competitive arena – CFB – and we need to keep up with the competition in every facet of the game, no matter how trivial.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on May 11, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

So..........

if you guys owned the Yankees you’d fool around with the pin stripes?

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on May 11, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's advocating getting rid of cardinal and gold...

There are two issues here:

1. Tradition: IMO, these jersies are new, and they are different. But they are not unfamiliar. And they respect USC tradition. What team do you think of when you se those unis? Hell, we all have jerseys identical to the ones in the picture. Admittedly, the black helmets are a substantial change, but the USC logo makes them Trojan. And who can complain about cardinal pants with golod strips…from the standpoint of tradition?

2. Fashion: I’m the wrong guy to talk about fashion. I’m a hetrosexual male in my 40s who shops three times a decade, spends $500/hour when shopping, and who buys exclusively jeans, khacki pants, and solid-colored, short-sleeved, collared polo golf shirts because that’s all I’ve ever worn. I get a T-shirt when I’m on vacation. I’m a total chump when it comes to fashion. That said, these unis are fine with me. As a fan, I don’t especially like the black helmets. But if I was a player, I’d probably love them. Utlimately, I’ll trust the fashion tastes of the guys who wear the unis over a bunch of coach potatos who have no more fashion sense than mud. You guys should listen to yourselves, and consider that we’re the guys who the fasion industry views as having an “L” tattooed on our foreheads.

I say give the players new unis once a year, for the UCLA game. All the buzz about tradition and fashion will be great for USC. We don’t all have to like, understand or agree about it. If it’s good for the players and USC, then I’m for it!

by TrojanJAG on May 11, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those pants belong in West LA or Laguna Beach.

BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.

oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.

by so.cal.native1952 on May 12, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO NO NO NO

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by WE ARE SC on May 11, 2011 9:01 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

HELL NO

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by WE ARE SC on May 11, 2011 9:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not an old Alum

Class of 2007. I have no family tradition of Trojans (grew up in Washington, first USC grad in my family).

I can’t stand these.

Ignoring tradition and all that, they’re just plain ugly. The pants don’t match up with the jerseys and the black helmets clash horribly. You can talk all you want about Oregon’s stuff, but at least their combos have some aesthetic sense to them.

If we’re gonna have to suffer alternates, at least make them appealing to look at.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on May 11, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Also these are the shitty template that fans have been using for years

to mock up uniforms for their teams. Which probably explains why:

1. The colors don’t match
2. They show up with Adidas cleats not Nike.

I remember seeing some even more godawful ones that looked like Redskins uniforms.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on May 11, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh hell NO

I’m sorry but this is a horrible idea and yes it is screwing with tradition. One of the traditions at USC is the unis have pretty much always stayed the same. What is next, playing D-1AA?

by ev on May 11, 2011 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I think someone made those on NCAA teambuiler

Those can’t be real. My old man would have a heart attack if they even think about changing the uniforms

by FSUNole51 on May 11, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Stupid.

I’m not going to pull the dumb “I WON’T PAY FOR TICKETS AND I’LL BOYCOTT” card, but it’s just stupid.

Now, if they wanted to do throwbacks, that’d be excellent. Do a 1972 throwback, which would basically involve a new jersey. Or a ’67 throwback… or something like that.

Doing fancy ass jerseys is for teams that don’t have a tradition. Oregon (other than the last year or two) has no football tradition to speak of. On the other hand, you don’t see teams like Michigan, ND, Penn State, Nebraska screwing around with uniforms other than small stripe changes or tradition-related throwbacks/alternates. Why? They don’t need to. They do it for the fans, not to impress a few kids.

Dumb. Oh well, this is a lost battle. Better learn to love the “black for black’s sake” crap.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on May 11, 2011 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess I would say this.

SC football, in terms of tradition, is at the highest echelon of college football.

-SC
-Notre Dame
-Michigan
-Ohio State
-Texas
-Alabama
-Nebraska
-Penn State

What do all these teams have in common in terms of uniforms? None of them screw with tradition. And the ones who do “alternates” at times make sure to tie them in clearly to history and the past (a la ND’s green throwbacks, or Ohio’s 1950s Nike “combat” throwbacks, or Bama’s tiny bit of houndstooth they threw on the jersey not long ago).

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on May 11, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why change is good for some, not for others...

As an Oregon fan it makes a lot of sense. Oregon football Sucked for decades. What tradition from that does one want to carry over?
But for USC, dipping helmets down at the local sewer plant in order to ‘update’ and ‘modernize’ the look just stinks. The Trojans’ tradition overwhelms that of all other Western schools when it comes to football. Therefore the look should evoke memories of Heismans and National Titles in days gone by.

by ConfofChamps on May 12, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh god...

I can see it now….white jerseys are next. Those corporate douchebags at Nike want to “Oregonize” us!

Jean Valjean is my muse.

by DevilishTrojan21 on May 12, 2011 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd have less of a problem with this

if it was for another game. I’d prefer for a home OOC game, building some hype about a game that might not otherwise have it (e.g., an Idaho), but Homecoming could work, as well. I don’t like doing it for the UCLA game, especially after we just went back to the dark jerseys on both sides.

Plus, it’s better than a black jersey, but I just don’t think it would look good. Maybe I’ll feel better about it once I see the proposed design.

by Boy Howdy on May 12, 2011 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Not for the Change.....

Here is an interesting thought…… ND has their Green Shirt – how many times has ND won while wearing the Green Shirt – well it does not go so well.

As an Alum of the only Uni in SoCali…. Tradition lives on – Fight on!

No Nike, No Black Socks, No Black Helmet and the All Cardinal Uniform is horrible….. just looks horrible….

by jayhndz on May 12, 2011 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Arizona State?

Seriously, I have been a big time hater of SC for decades now, but you have to trust me when I say these proposed uniforms look like crap. Arizona St. comes to mind for some reason. I appreciate the fact that this game still means a lot to you as it means to us but these uniforms are ugly.

The only traditional power I have seen do anything like this is ND with the green shirt. Seems to me like that worked maybe one time, the first time. After that, pure novelty.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

The image is not an example under consideration

it is a mock up that some yahoo did on the Internet. I hear there are several designs under consideration, and they will all look polished and contemporary, unlike the image above.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on May 12, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand

but, is that logo going on that helmet? I mean, given what little graphic-arts experience I have, it seems to clash. Also, I don’t like the more cardinal than gold color imbalance. I do have to say that I prefer tradition in college football, I didn’t even like the change in our uniforms with the shoulder stripes being truncated.

But honestly, isn’t that the one thing anyone can say about your football team the traditions? I don’t see messing with that.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on May 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard of a gold jersey option that sounds really cool to me

we shall see. I think decades old traditions can get stuffy. Like all white at Wimbledon. They eventually ditched the white balls. The world is constantly evolving.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on May 12, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep 102 you hit the Nail on the hammerhead.

BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.

oH and Flush the sound Our Basketball Program is going down the drain, anybody got some liquid Plumber.

by so.cal.native1952 on May 12, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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