National Signing Day Notes
Just a couple of quick things on USC's monster signing day...
First, the good...
Coach O was named by Scout the recruiter of the year...
[B]ut hitting the road to find those future stars is a big job for the assistant coaches, and no one did a better job this year than USC recruiting coordinator Ed Orgeron, who’s track record nationally paid huge dividends for the Trojans.
It was that effort that landed Orgeron as Scout.com/FoxSports.com’s 2011 Recruiter of the Year.
Facing questions about their scholarship numbers, Orgeron and head coach Lane Kiffin crafted an outstanding class, the best in the Pac-12, and a top five class nationally.
This shouldn't surprise anyone.
Lane Kiffin and Coach O have forged a strong partnership when it comes to football. I can only imagine how strong their relationship is on a personal level. When it comes to personnel we are in great hands!
His detractors can say what they want but there is no question that the guy can recruit. Just look at how they about the Torian White recruitment (see below). No flash, nothing brash, just plain old relationship building.
The OCR has a great comprehensive read on this years class.
He filled the teams needs except for CB (Thomas) and I would have loved a few more offensive linemen especially at the tackle spot (White). Regardless, not bad considering what 'SC is facing.
The perplexing...
Speaking of Torian White, Biggins has an interesting story of his signing day drama...
Things then took an interesting turn Tuesday, the night before signing day, when the White family sat around the house and created a chart to weigh the pros and cons of each school. Not only did USC come out on top, Oregon State was No. 2 followed by UCLA, according to the family and MacNeal.
"I tried calling the family that night to make sure everyone was good to go and for the first time ever, Torian didn’t pick up or return the call," MacNeal said. "I drove over there and when I walked in to the house, it seemed like someone had just died. It was weird how quiet and solemn everyone was. I excused myself and just said to text me when they knew what they were doing."
Then on Wednesday, during a live webcast on FoxSports.com, with three hats on the table in front of him, White shocked viewers when he reached for the USC hat and put it on saying he was going to be signing with the Trojans. Following his announcement, the family walked out of the studio in what Joe White, Torian’s father, called "the longest walk of our lives."
"I looked at Torian and he looked miserable," Joe said. "This was supposed to be the best day of his life and he was miserable because he was choosing a school he didn’t want to attend. I had put a lot of pressure on him and so did many others, telling him USC was the better place for him. It was a more stable football environment, they had a great track record for putting offensive lineman into the NFL and Lane Kiffin presented us with a great and organized plan of exactly how they planned to use him. I was sold, but Torian wasn’t happy."
I find Torian's comments by his dad entertaining. From what I heard from others he was the one who was all over BRO touting how solid Torian was to UCLA. In fact, I have heard it was actually the opposite.The parents wanted UCLA and Torian wanted 'SC.
I think its great that they family sat down and looked all the pros and cons of the schools in contention. I think its funny that UCLA actually came in third on that review. But if the kid wants to go to UCLA then let him...I have no problem with that but if the kid wanted to go to USC there shouldn't be any pressure there either. If it really was the "the longest walk of our lives"then why not take a step back and review it one more time. I have two grown kids in their 20's and they have made some moves in life that I have agreed with but it is their life, the best I can do is provide advice or another set of eyes on a given situation but ultimately its the kid that has to be happy.
If Torian was so unhappy with his decision then the parents should have stepped in and forced him to rethink it and do WHAT HE WANTED instead of turning this into a circus.
Moving on...As long as the kid is happy with his decision that is all that matters.
The bad?
I don't know if it's bad or just more perplexing that Thomas went to Oregon.
Lets go with what we know...with what is out there for public consumption.
This is from Biggins...($)
Thomas actually had a September visit set with Washington and was planning to visit Florida and Cal during the season as well. Those plans fell through but it did give credence to the talk that Thomas wasn't 100 percent sold on playing at USC. In fact, there was talk all year that UCLA had a chance to come in and steal Thomas at different points of the season. Thomas denied those rumors repeatedly, but behind the scenes, there continued to be more and more talk saying the athlete was seriously considering other options and could actually leave the area.
The rest is behind ($) firewall which I don't have access to. But I have seen it via an e-mail that someone sent me.
Let me put it this way...the article makes it out to be a well thought out decision not an 11th hour change of heart. His stealth request of getting the Oregon coaches phone number a couple of months ago is another ominous sign. Other solid sources have said Thomas was trying to recruit other USC recruits to go with him Oregon. This would not surprise me at all, I am sure the kid would feel better if had some friends to accompany him to whole new experience in Eugene.
But if true, this says a lot about Thomas.
But there is also conflict here as well, there are some rumors of DT being affected by some gang activity in his neighborhood which gave him pause to staying in L.A.. I didn't say involved...just affected.
At this point it doesn't matter, but it sure is an interesting story.
On the funny side of things check this out from Stewart Mandel...
Hapless coach of the year: UCLA's Rick Neuheisel. Perhaps it shouldn't be a surprise, what with the Bruins coming off their second losing season in three years, their coaching staff in complete flux right up until Signing Day and Neuheisel likely entering next season on the hottest seat in the country. Still, the sheer extent of UCLA's recruiting misery this year is staggering. Normally a top 20 fixture, UCLA barely made Scout.com's top 60 as of Wednesday evening. It landed just one player (receiver Devin Lucien) rated among the Top 25 prospects in the state of California. "It's undoubtedly the worst UCLA class I've ever seen," said Scout.com's Wallace.
CLASSIC!
Then there is this from Slick Rick...
"With the class [USC] brought in, that means they haven’t begun their sanctions," Neuheisel said. "We’ll see how that all turns ... out. But that’s for them to determine." He added that some of USC’s recruits might not qualify academically, saying, "I know that there are at least members of their class that it will be difficult for them to be there. That, again, is for them to figure out."
This guy is pathetic. But if anyone knows about sanctions and recruting violations it would be Slick Rick! Up to this point UCLA has missed their opportunity to take it to USC.
Maybe next year pal...
Haters gonna hate...Punters gonna punt!
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Here are a bunch of links from the various outlets....
Lane Kiffin on Petros and Money yesterday
Signing day wrap-up - ESPN Los Angeles
Signing day aftermath - ESPN Los Angeles
USC's gains outweigh loss on signing day
Why I Hate Early Commits
I found this to be a very interesting post from the OP...and pretty spot on!
USC smacks adversity with Top-5 class " The Trojan Empire
USC Recruiting Celebration Dinner
Another good post...
USC outclasses UCLA again on signing day - latimes.com
USC's Ed Orgeron is a master recruiter - latimes.com
More later today...
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Steve Dillon
Is he still coming? Did SC pull the offer?
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
by WE ARE SC on Feb 4, 2011 7:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
don't feed the troll
I think the White drama may have been even more complicated, with the father pro-UCLA and the mother pro-SC.
I think White wanted UCLA. It seems clear that although he is an excellent tackle he is not a type-A personality and was turned off by SC’s (to quote Sarao, maybe my favorite member of this class) ‘nasty kill mentality.’
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Shades of Ray Small @ tOSU?
Maybe the SC locker room would be “too hectic” for him.
Sarao and Carlisle will become stars
They’ll learn the playbook by the end of August and start contributing in October. White made the right choice for himself, USC is not for everyone.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
I agree.
But it’s a shame, he really seems like a good guy with a great head on his shoulders. The bRuins got a good one.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
By the way, nice honor for Coach Orgeron
Hopefully wrapping up big victories the last two Signing Days will help us weather the sanction storm. There’s probably not a better staff to help us through than the one at SC right now. How they’ve been able to recruit under the doom and gloom that’s been placed on top of them is virtually a miracle.
Glad that coach O (who BN always makes 3rd grade comments about) great class.
I glad USC didn’t sign any press day drama queens, because those players never amount to much on average and especially in the NFL. At USC we need players that understand what it takes to get better as a person and player, that is one of the reasons that Peter Smith has won 2 NCAA campionships in a row. Girls like TW and DT don’t belong at USC having multiple outfits and shoes and accessories is important in a Queens lifestyle, so I understand. To top that off anyone that is crazy enough to want to play for Ricky, doesn’t belong in the trenches at the best football university east of the potomac.
Analysts that feel that USC didn’t fill all there needs are just that anal idoits that have never play a down of football that remind me of girls like Skippy Bayles, having to pound the table to get everyones attention and whine to mommy that it’s oatmeal is either to hot to cold or not enough brown sugar.
The main thing is USC got 29 players and with 13 redshirts from last year, this really helps build the team that PC and BC fucked up. Nice thing is USC still has 5 left to dish out to late signings or players that need a schollie that have been at USC for awhile, plus maybe some other JC players.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 4, 2011 10:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
RecK him up!
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Epic! Rec'd
"Girls like TW and DT don’t belong at USC having multiple outfits and shoes and accessories is important in a Queens lifestyle, so I understand. "
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Yah I can't believe I came up with that too!
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 4, 2011 4:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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MG to the list with PC and BC. Agreed, rec’d.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
True True
Those who wanted to come to USC did so… those that didn’t… didn’t. So Thomas goes up north… he wants to be a running back in college… probably will up north probably would not at USC… fast yes but can he run between the tackles? SC’s own experience with guys this size and weight says probably not. Baxter had trouble last year… even Reggie Bush had trouble running up the middle behind one of the best offensive lines in USC history. Still does… but that’s another story. Playing in space…‘where they ain’t’… is just what Oregon wants to do. So this, the recent non-BCS success… especially against SC… the sanctions plus SC’s COMPETITION at RB, and it’s easier to see how a guy like Thomas does the math. But here’s the rub for Thomas… I’m sure he has visions of playing in the NFL… right? Unless he grows a bunch… a possibility… he’s got a better shot as a DB/CB than RB as a pro. Unless he turns out to be the next Barry Sanders… ugggh!!!… I’m not sure he did the math on that. Anyway, great recruiting effort by Kiffin, Orgeron, and Co. This is just how things started to turn around ten years ago… and authored by many of the same people too! Now the real work begins… getting these new guys… with all those “stars” next to their names… ready to play at the next level. Remember Clay Mathews now with the Packers?… if not watch the Super Bowl this Sunday. One of the best linebackers in USC history… yeah that guy… as I recall… he was a walk-on… a “NO-STAR”.
Ah… recruiting… it’s a bit like looking at Swiss Cheese… what you see is always matched with what you don’t.
trojanWar
I give the staff an A+, and they're just getting started...
It is easy to overlook the fact that Lane and CEO of only been at USC for 13 months. They had no time to evaluate the 2010 class, it was just a mad grasp to hold on to what Pete had. Then, they were behind and playing catchup in evaluating and recruiting this 2011 class. Next season, the 2012 class will be the first class in which the USC staff has had a more normal evaluation/relationship building/recruiting cycle with the players, and 2012 looks to be an epic year. We will have some undetermined sanction restrictions on the size of class that we can take next year, but I am going to predict at least 3 5 star recruits right now.
Lane and Ed have only just begun their domination of the recruiting world.
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

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