UPDATED X 2 - The Kiffin Allegations - Heavy on the Sizzle...
Updated below the fold...you just can't make this stuff up! - P
I was bemused reading the Notice of Allegations from the NCAA.
It's the typical mish-mash that you would expect in one of these.
Stewart Mandel is right...Bruce Pearl is a dead man walking so I am not going to waste any time on his issue. Obviously I am more interested in the allegations leveled towards Lane Kiffin.
The notice contains the following allegations of violation of NCAA rules against the football program:
1) By former members of the football coaching staff: impermissible telephone contact (16 total calls) with prospective student-athletes from Jan. 3-9, 2010.
2) By a former assistant football coach: allegations relating to impermissible contacts with prospective student-athletes.
3) By a former head football coach: failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance within the football program and failure to monitor the activities regarding compliance of several assistant coaches have also been made against a former head football coach, and permitting a football recruiting intern to make impermissible contact with high school staff during a recruiting visit.
On the face these seem minor in nature...secondary is the proper word.
But this is the NCAA and in reading the document it is pretty clear that Tennessee did every thing they could to make Kiffin the fall guy in specifically targeting the Jan. 3-9 time frame. Typical PR move to throw the last man out under the bus and with the media's continued assault on USC, UT will use that to spare itself the wrath of the NCAA as it pertains to football.
The allegations mention Kiffin and Orgeron but it is still primarily a UT problem. But it looks like the UT football program escaped the NCAA's wrath...No LOIC and No Failure to Monitor etc. In fact, the only charge directly related to the university is this:
Additionally, the University is alleged to have failed to monitor the men's basketball coaching staff's telephone contacts with prospective student-athletes and their relatives in order to ensure compliance with NCAA telephone contact legislation (from Aug. 1, 2007 - July 29, 2009).
But don't kid yourself, Looking at it carefully it is safe to assume that the NCAA will hold Kiffin solely responsible for the football violations and that the University played no role. So, it should not surprise anyone if the NCAA tries to go after Kiffin to try and hurt USC further. They (UT) are already teeing it up to say that they informed Kiffin of the rules only to have himbreak them anyway. Because Kiffin is no longer at UT he has no say and no control of what Mike Hamilton said to the NCAA.
The NCAA has an agenda and they have already played their hand.
Don't be fooled by the UConn case or even what we know about Bruce Pearl...
The NCAA could use some past cases as a guide as to how they go after Kiffin...the Kelvin Sampson case and the Neuheisel case.
So, the question to me is pretty simple...will Pat Haden go on the offensive to protect his coach who has been a model citizen or will become mute on the subject, allowing him to become another target of the NCAA?
I don't care about what Haden may have said publicly, I am talking about him going to war for his coach...its the actions that matter.
And from what I have seen, I wouldn't count on that...
UPDATE #1:
I really could not say it better than this, brdcstr hits a HOME RUN ...
Well said!
UPDATE #2:
Here is a little more from brdcstr in the same thread that I linked above (Ted Miller linked to the above as well.)
To add to the discussion, simply consider...
Intern Steve Rubio was presumably forewarned by David Blackburn, along with Kiffin, to not set foot on the property of his alma mater, St. Thomas Aquinas.
Not heeding the alleged warning given to him, Rubio apparently disregarded Blackburn's warning and set foot on the property of St. Thomas Aquinas. Hence, the failure to monitor charges against Kiffin.
If Rubio was not forewarned by David Blackburn to not step foot on the property of St. Thomas Aquinas, can Tennessee claim they provided sufficient monitoring when failing to inform an employee of a potential violation involving him?
Today, all of the coaches/employees involved in the allegations pertaining to Tennessee football are no longer at the school, with the exception of one.
Steve Rubio.
Not only is there no mention made of Rubio being disciplined by UT for insubordination in regards to a directive aimed at him by his superior, but he has since been given a promotion by the University of Tennessee when hired by new coach Derek Dooley as the director of player personnel.
://www.utsports.com/sports/m-f...o_steven00.html
We now know that just 4 Days after Bruce Pearls teary public admission of wrongdoing that he willfully committed another secondary violation.
Given that, coupled with Rubio's promotion, can it be said that the University of Tennessee is serious about ridding its department of flagrant violators, or more concerned with minimizing the repercussions of those same violators previous actions?
Another great take!
I am going to keep pouring it on as long as the hypocrisy continues to bubble over...
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But still, . . . . . . . . .
The agenda seems to be spelled out quite clearly: the NCAA does not like our head coach Lane Kiffin. Looking back on all this, it appears that by hiring him to be our head coach- USC is not an athletic department gone awry, rather an athletic department chock-full of ARROGANCE. We’re arrogant to think that we can appear to fully investigate Reggie Bush’s role in his family’s contact with a wannabe-agent (Lloyd Lake), appear to find no fault in our football program (no self-sanctioning of former head coach Pete Carroll’s football staff and team), appear to look the other way in hiring a coach known to be a secondary-violator of NCAA rules (Lane Kiffin from UT), and as such- appear to thumb their nose in adhering to the spirit of NCAA codes and bylaws (all of the above)- which strike at the heart and sanctity of compliance-related matters.
I, for one, am completely and thoroughly disgusted with the manner in which the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions conducts it’s enforcement investigations and how it operates it’s infraction hearings. These proceedings are complete shams rife with procedural errors that wouldn’t pass muster to federal due process standards if US courts were to take a keen look at them. But still, for USC- we have a severe perception problem on our hands- how far is a university allowed to appear to answer to no one? How much or how long of a rope will a university be given in appearing not to fully follow rules of compliance? There has to a limit, and if we can’t limit ourselves or not hold ourselves accountable- somone has to before other athletic departments and other teams follow our lead and think they can get away with operating in a haphazard manner.
That someone is the authority known as the NCAA. And as well, they should.
Listen, even if AD Hamilton and UT are throwing Lane Kiffin under the bus- they had to of provided the NCAA investigators some proof of written or verbal communication to Lane Kiffin and his staff that he couldn’t or shouldn’t do what he and his staff are alleged to have done. What matters the most now is: will Lane Kiffin fight these charges? Will he deflect and counter-argue that- as head coach of UT football, he was “encouraged” to go around or skirt rules of compliance? Will he vigorously defend his actions?
If he does, that would be the EXACT WRONG THING TO DO in this matter. For as of right now, what the NCAA is asking of him and USC is- where is there remorse? Where is there contrition? Are you all (Kiffin and USC) with us, or against us? Basically, in 21st century parlance: Who’s your Daddy?
If I were Lane Kiffin and his lawyers, I’d advise him to take full responsibility for what he feels he was “encouraged” to do while he was head coach at UT. I’d go into the hearing admitting guilt- but under conditions. The conditionsof which only he will know. Like, as far as the telephone calls- did he place the calls or did he instruct his staff to place the calls on the dates mentioned because he felt it was the “right thing to do” considering the fact that he was leaving the UT program and wanted to give those kids he was recruiting a “heads up” on what was going on in order to give them the time to maybe re-consider their committment to UT? As far as the reasons for taking an assistant with him on a recruiting trip to Florida. . . . .I’m dumbfounded!
Lane Kiffin has a reputation to rebuild, he has a perception problem. USC has a football team to rebuild, we have a perception problem. How soon is now to rebuild and re-frame this problem? Actions speak louder than words. If the importance of words results in positive actions, then taking full responsibility and admitting some degree guilt is a great place to start.
"Every rock that someone threw at me, I just used as a steppingstone." (Allen Bradford USC Tailback aka: "B-Rad")
Bix,
I think it’s kind of a jump to say the NCAA has it in for Kiffin. Certainly UT is definitely (and perhaps foolishly) trying to throw Kiffin under a bus. Once the allegations are passed along to the NCAA they have to investigate them, I don’t think they have a choice.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I really don’t know all the details about how the NCAA found out about the alleged improper recruiting. I’m guessing that the information came from UT, and they framed it so that it was all Kiffin’s fault, but I don’t think the NCAA’s investigation is over.
BTW I think Bix is right when he says that if Kiffin’s defense is “yeah sure I did these things, but UT knew about, and wanted me to do” this will be problematic for him.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Truth be told, Cugel
I have lost my ability to believe the NCAA has the capacity to operate with transparency, enforce it’s own members and committees to to follow it’s own codes of conduct according to it’s own articles and charter, and to facilitate fairness with how it operates with member institutions, and to ensure that ALL the student/athletes playing college sports are provided fair and equal protections to guaranteee federal due process rights as it pertains to eligibility rules concerning amateurism. This past year, with all that the NCAA has ruled on HAS DEFINITELY colored this negative view of mine.
Surely it’s not been JUST the Bush/Mayo scandal that has rocked USC that has affected me in this way- it’s been a whole host of others that thaey’ve ruled on this past year. And some from the past.
Hence, it is my belief that they DO HAVE THE CAPACITY to single out one coach (Tarkanian= Kiffin), and they DO have the capacity to single out particular schools(SMU = USC)..
It’s all well and good for others to have a more “fair-minded” view or approach as to it pertains to the NCAA, however- what I’d say to that is- “Wait until you find your school or your favorite players/coaches in the cross-hairs of this new century’s Committee of Infractions!”
A few names of those at the NCAA that I feel have changed the scope, philosophy, function, and operation that are currently employed by the organization:
Britt Banowsky – COI member/Conference USA Commissioner
Melissa Conboy- COI member/Notre Dame Deputy Director of Athletics
Dennis Thomas- Head of COI (termed position, replacing Paul Dee)/Mid East Conference Commissioner
Shep Cooper- Director of NCAA COI Commitees (lifetime position, tenured for more than a decade)
Julie Roe Lach- NCAA Vice President of Enforcement (this one’s RICH! Did you know that her former position was. . . . (wait for it, wait for it. . . .) . . Director of Enforcement?
- what the frick’s the difference in Julie Roe’s role at the NCAA? they GAVE her a different title, less management of member personnel, more exposure to PR work for the NCAA. did they give her more moolah? i, for one, hope the heck NOT! she and ol’ Shep have re-written some new unwritten laws as it applies to The New NCAA- and with knucklehead-Prez Emmert, they’ve got JUST THE RIGHT idiot to rubber stamp the whole damn thang!
- i’m good now! i’ma have my first cup o’ coffee now, thank you very much!
"Every rock that someone threw at me, I just used as a steppingstone." (Allen Bradford USC Tailback aka: "B-Rad")
by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 26, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
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“Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.”
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Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Agree, Julie the Roach is in a PR role!
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Well I definitely think the whole Cam Newton saga has made the NCAA enforcement look extremely suspect; it’s hard to see how any institution subject to penalties in future won’t point to this a scream “Unfair!”
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
In a funny way though?
I am completely comfortable with the decision regarding SCam, and I’m HUGE on the Tide! Here’s the rub: people must indulge themselves the understanding that what the NCAA ruled on was strictly a “reinstatemen/eligibility” issue. The concerning matter on hand, however- isn’t so much the fact that Cam Newton was (as it turns out) reinstated and cleared the eligibility standard for continuing to play in the BCS National Championship game. The real issue for those watching was the insane turnaround time/efficiency with which the NCAA reviewed and issued their ruling. That was something!
It was something “that smacks of favoritism” for and towards the SEC Conference and it was perceived (most unanimously across our nation) as a shock to what was an historically “zero-tolerance/strict liability” conclusion regarding “pay-for-play” matters for student/athletes performing at the college level. It’s true- in the “olden days” it didn’t matter whether it was your best friend, cousin, uncle, “mama’s friend/new uncle”, real or understood-to-be-your biological parents, or the athlete themselves who so much as “elicited” payment from a school in order to POTENTIALLY play for a school/university- IT JUST DIDN’T MATTER, YOU GOT ASSED-THE-FUCK-OUT! Bye-bye amateur status. See you later school, no more to giving it the old college try, ’cause YOU WOULD NEVER AGAIN PLAY ATHLETIC SPORTS AT ANY COLLEGE LEVEL AGAIN IN YOUR LIFE!
That’s the way it used to be, but NO!
SCam not only got an answer in 1 1/2 days, he got the green light to become the MVP of the BCS CG, AND. . . . The freaking Heisman Trophy!
Believe it or not, .. . . . . . it’s the 1 1/2 days that still GETS ME!
"Every rock that someone threw at me, I just used as a steppingstone." (Allen Bradford USC Tailback aka: "B-Rad")
by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 26, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, 1 1/2 days is insane when everything else seams to take a minimum of 2 years. This is the first time I can ever remember this anything like this happening in the middle of the season to the leading Heisman candidate, on the number one ranked team, well into the year.
To me though this shows that the NCAA takes political considerations into account (not left/right ones, but how they think a decision will play with both the institutions and college sport-loving public). They were faced with a no-win situation and they punted. Pay for play on a huge and old-school basis; looks horrible, but no smoking gun. They considered the outcry if somehow the best (I think it’s unarguable he was the best last year) is ruled ineligible and left out of a likely NCG. So they punted, let him play now, take away the hardware later if any hard proof surfaces.
I can’t exactly say I would have done any different (lacking any proof), but it reveals how reactive they are as an institution, and despite their powers, how uncomfortable they are at being at the center of any story.
Anyway, I think that you have given a lot more thought to these issues than I have. Also, love the handle, he was one of my Dad’s favorite Jazzmen.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I still feel that going after Kiffin is not a good idea for the Nazis.
If they go directly after Lane they will go directly to court and a lot of stuff will be exposed to the public (which is going thru a very tough economic time) this could cause a boycott of NCAA athletics. Which means no revenue no over paid NCAA workers. It is time that the people quit buying FB and BB tickets and watch the ncaaa go broke and hopefully unemployed, I would like to see some of these high profile people on street corners begging for cash.
BOOM_BOOM that was the sound of the DUCKs being shot down again in a BCS Bowl Game---I guess all that Slave Money can't buy a championship.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 24, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions

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