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Boone Pickens: Making A Federal Case

You've got to give it to T. Boone Pickens. After watching Phil Knight's $300 Million propel his Ducks into the BCS Championship game, the gas magnate believes he is entitled to a return on his $275 Million investment in Oklahoma State Football.

"If we don't get in the BCS [title game], if I have the power to do it, I'm going to have an investigation."

"After the way we handled OU tonight, I just can't imagine LSU playing Alabama twice. It looks like an SEC-closed system if that happens."

He's throwing his weight around but I can't disagree. Alabama has only one quality win vs. Arkansas, that "quality loss" vs. LSU. They didn't even win their division. "LSU - Bama 2, Return Of The Snorefest," are you kidding me?

Bring on the Cowboys, or bring on the Feds. Yeeehaww!

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A perfect storm, roiling, Go Boone!

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Dec 4, 2011 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

Mandel has this right

Hopefully a few of those ol’ boys and hillbillies break ranks or there will be hell to pay.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Stanford has an argument too with a better win than OSU

My heart wants OSU/LSU as it could be a good game. My mind wants Bama/LSU to help destroy the BCS.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Dec 4, 2011 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

USC moves to #5, ND first unranked...hehe

AP Poll

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Dec 4, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

ND and Ucla unranked, a priceless day.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike Gundy on Print Reporters

http://youtu.be/aoMmbUmKN0E

Remember this great clip?

After this rant about moronic print reporters who have never played the game, probably never attended a practice, and never deal with the aftermath, I have greatly appreciated Gundy.

I am hoping that OSU gets to play LSU. LSU’s schedule has been protected by her keepers for many years, including the unforgotten fact that the 2003 and 2004 teams never played a PAC-10 team and NEVER was willing to schedule USC.

LSU will NEVER have an undisputed national title unless they actually stop scheduling the AA schools and unless they regularly schedule OOC games. Oregon was a good start this year, but they beat Oregon and so did we.

Herbstreit on GameDay had the best idea that I’ve heard.
4 seats in the CFB final four.
Corso said to just do it now.
Play #4 against #1 and #2 against #3.
Then, let the winners meet in the BCS game.

Now, that is a true Afterseason.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

The SEC don't travel

I just checked Florida’s schedule back to the year 2000, anyone want to guess how many times they left the South to play a game? Bowl games included………………………………………ONCE, in 2006 when the played Ohio St. in the BCS game.

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Dec 4, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

SEC won't get on a plane

Tennessee played UCLA in TN (Kif v. Neu) in 2009.
U-Fla and GA and LSU are all the same.
They all schedule their OOC opponent as a AA team.
Then, they all complained about needing to play a SEC CCG.
LOL
They won’t get on a plane and therefore that is why we can’t know who is better between the two leagues.
LSU finally did schedule Oregon and that was good this year.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree to a point

the SEC as a whole has awful schedules, but Tennessee and LSU play good opponents OOC each year (at least one marquis matchup).

Fight On! Beat everybody but us!

by USCLink on Dec 4, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

LSU OOC schedule

2011 OOC was Oregon, Northwestern State, West Virginia and Western Kentucky
2010 OOC was North Carolina, West Virginia, McNeese State, and Louisiana-Monroe.
2009 OOC was Washington, UL-Lafayette, Tulane, and Lousiana Tech
2008 OOC was Appalachian St, North Texas, Tulane, and Troy.

They start their 2012 season playing the “good opponents” of North Texas, Washington, Idaho, and Towson.

LOL … this is NOT strength of schedule, is it gentlemen?

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon, UNC, UW

Over the past 3 years are all good. UW in 2012.

2008 is the only year without a marquis opponent.

They schedule a cupcake or 2, but they don’t dodge solid teams from BCS conferences. That’s more than a lot of schools can say.

Fight On! Beat everybody but us!

by USCLink on Dec 4, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

There's something to be said for

the degree of difficulty simply traveling as far as you can in the US without going to Hawaii. East→West isn’t as rough as West→East (see Cal-Maryland a few years back), but that UW was able to make a game out of it means that it’s worth considering.

LSU scheduling is legit. Not as tough as some, but far better than many others.

by Boy Howdy on Dec 5, 2011 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Tennessee played ucla in the Rose Bowl

during Neuheisel’s first season.

LSU plays Div II opponents, but they schedule VA Tech, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, and ASU to name a few of their non conference opponents. Bama, Arkansas, and Auburn also schedule good non conference opponents. The team that doesn’t travel out of state with non conference opponents is Florida. Two out of state non conference games in 30 years. Thats embarrassing.

by frak on Dec 4, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Tennessee OOC schedule

2011 Montana, Cincinnati, Buffalo, Middle Tennessee State
2010 Tennessee Martin, Oregon, Alabama-Birmingham, Memphis, North Carolina
2009 Western Kentucky, UCLA, Ohio, Memphis,
2008 UCLA, Alabama-Birmingham, Northern Illinois, Wyoming, and Hargrave Military Academy.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Just checked Alabama back to 2002

Played 7 games out of the South, @ Penn St., Minnesota, Colorado, Oklahoma and Virginia Tech (Tech is probably considered in the South?)
Of the 7, 2 were bowl games @ Hawaii

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Dec 4, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

BOYCOTT THE BOWLS

If an all SEC travesty if foisted upon us, the only thing we can and should do is not watch. Screw them all.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

Hey I just want to hear Mike Gundry rant again.

I really like the Gundy rant.
Might not be his usual style, but I like it.
It reflects where the country is at too.
Tired of the BS.
More like…“shut up and let us play the game”

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone want to keep arguing with me about SEC schools scheduling ???

OOC SEC schedule printed above for several schools…
LSU pumps 2-3 wins on their schedule by scheduling cupcake AA teams.
End of story.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 1:59 PM PST reply actions  

The SEC pads its schedule

that much is known. There are only 2 or 3 teams that have yet to schedule a Div II school. ucla and USC are two of them, and I think ND is the third, but I could be wrong about the Irish.

But the cupcakes aren’t the point. The PAC-12 plays 9 conference games. Most other conferences play 8 conference games. That means that half of the PAC-12 has an extra loss on the year, while the SEC cupcakes are almost always an automatic “W.” The Pac-12 needs to follow the 8 game conference schedule if they want to compete in the rankings with the SEC. Unfortunately the SEC isn’t punished for playing a cupcake, but they should be. I don’t even know why it is counted as a win.

by frak on Dec 4, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe you are right on playing D2

UW used to be one until they played Eastern Washington. USC, UCLA, and ND.

And I totally agree. The polls should punish Bama for playing Kent St, Ga Southern and North Texas. What a frkn joke!

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Dec 4, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN 3 broadcasting the BCS selection

LSU and Alabama rematch is selected by the Harris and Coaches/USA Today and the computers.

OK State is number 3 and locked out of the BCS.

BCS is a joke.

Setting aside the Boise State issue, how can you ignore OK State after beating Oklahoma by the 30+ point lead last night.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

OUTRAGE! T. Boone Pickens must go for the jugular. "Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned."

The land of “Deliverance” delivers. Gap tooth, banjo pickin’, inbreeds get their way again. The NCAA – BCS syndicate will not make it out of this unscathed.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Finall tally

Alabama’s score was .9419
Oklahoma State’s score was .9333

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

Human polls did it

Bama isn’t even a conference champ. The LSU Bama game this year was a yawn fest

by frak on Dec 4, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

As predicted, the southern block handed it to the SEC.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Blow up the BCS

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Dec 4, 2011 8:03 PM PST reply actions  

They just unleashed the chain reaction that will blow-up the BCS - NCAA

USC will be in a bunker at a safe distance, enjoying the show.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I just hope the viewing is available in 3D….

by trojanarchitect on Dec 4, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Boone

Maybe Boone will go nuclear prior to releasing all of his natural gas.
:)
Go Boone Go!

by bonesmccoy on Dec 4, 2011 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

Dennis Dodd is a gas bag, but in this case he gets it mostly right

though he lets the SEC off the hook, or does he?

“There’s nothing wrong with that if you’re a fan of Southern-friend football which the voters have been for at least six years now. The Harris Poll is a poor man’s AP. But the coaches’ poll has long been borderline unethical. It is a wholly legal system that gives its participants the ability to award themselves multi-million paydays with minimum oversight.” -Dodd
Was the vote rigged? Some might think so, especially with modesty nowhere to be found in SEC land: SEC twitter
“…the conference tweeted Sunday night that the conference had both clinched its sixth consecutive national championship as well as its first title game loss.” -Dodd
It was truly an LOL moment for the banjo pickers, but loose lips (and “tweets”) sink ships.

The SEC will regret their boasting if T. Boone Pickens is to be taken at his word.

“If we don’t get in the BCS — I’m not kidding you — if I have the power to do it, I’m gonna have an investigation. The way we handled OU tonight. Somehow I just can’t imagine LSU playing Alabama twice. It doesn’t make sense. It looks like it’s an SEC-closed system if that happens and Alabama didn’t even win the conference.”
Let the fur fly!

I updated my sig with Henry Hill’s description of “the organization”

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 4, 2011 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

@Agrippa OK-State and Conference Realignment and big donors

I was just watching Morning Joe on MSNBC.
They were talking BCS and noting the position that OK-State finds itself in.
One of the reporters was disappointed that we will not see the OK State v. LSU game. Joe was saying that the Stanford or Oregon v. Alabama or LSU game would have been great also.

But, then, as I was partly sleeping, it just dawned on me.

Boone has two different issues here. One is that OSU didn’t get an invite to the BCS party. More importantly, the Southerners are claiming that the SEC invited a Bowl plus Four format back ten years ago. They claim it was Big Ten and PAC-10 who were against that format.

I agree that PAC-10 and BIG-10 were opposed to a Bowl plus 4 format. However, it didn’t have to do with the existing Bowl Games. My recollection was that the University Presidents were getting concerned about the position it was putting their schools in with respect to the media and TV networks driving the budgets for collegiate athletics. Do we disagree no? The university presidents were correct.

But, the current situation with OSU and Stanford locked out of the party (and frankly Boise State and Houston too) shows that OSU will never get to the BCS. SEC locked them out period.

I woke up to post this because I remember about three months ago where OU and OSU were arguing with UT about Dan Beebe at the Big 12.

Well, do you remember what the TAMU people did? They left for SEC land. OSU just got dunked by SEC two times over. On one hand, they got dissed by being excluded by the voters. But, more importantly, OSU just got dissed by the entire SEC!

That may really be what Boone Pickens is PO’d about more. I’d like to speculate that Boone is about the CFB rules, but the reality is that the man is about ROI more than BCS. (for those of you who don’t know business or not from Marshall, look up ROI yourselves).

Boone wanted that BCS ROI in order to build competitive budget for OSU.

By the same token, the Nike guy helping Oregon is in a similar position. So, the Oregon politicos in Portland need to get off Eugene’s back. Oregon needs to be competitive with California in the same way OK needs to be competitive with TX.

I’d highly suggest that the Pickens comment is a shot over the bow of the NCAA and COI.

Essentially, what I hear in Picken’s comment is that if the NCAA COI shows up in OK, he has no problem launching against either NCAA or BCS a counter punch which will cost them big money.

We at USC have played “nice guy”. We even got the UCLA grad on KCBS with Jim Hill giving us compliments. However, Arrogant Nation has it right on this one. We should be taking the same approach as Boone Pickens. Essentially, if you wrong my school and are unfair to my team, don’t think you’ll get away with it. We will investigate you and when we’re done, if you really did screw up, your career will be in the trash and your contract will join it. As a matter of fact, if you even look like you COULD have screwed up, you’ll be out of a job also.

So, Boone is talking about SEC and conference alignment here also. He knows how much $$$ he’s thrown at OSU to help with their program and students. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of contribution. Frankly, the Nike guy should call Boone.

If there are major USC donors who are helping with the McKay Center, they may want to call Boone too. I see great commonality in the purpose and synergy in the positions.

Meanwhile Pat Haden can just stay out of the discussion while the political discussion occurs. USC is clearly wronged by the NCAA COI actions from 2005 and the fact we’re still dealing with this stuff is very unjust to the current student athletes.

Similarly, if you are from Stanford, Oregon, or USC, you have to wonder when the BCS will wisen up and realize that they are on the verge of losing all relevancy whatsoever.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 5, 2011 4:05 AM PST reply actions  

Welcome to my world bones

Going on two years, we’ve been talking about how the COI’s aggressive penalties were as much anti Pac-10 as they were anti-USC. Our enemies in the conference saw our plight as an opportunity to drag us down to their level and that idiot Larry Scott only saw dollar signs. Larry’s idiotic CCG produced nothing but crappy ratings. The net effect is that one loss Stanford got screwed out of a legitimate shot at the BCS Championship. I also think Andrew Luck just got jobbed out of the Heisman.

As far as USC is concerned, we are an academic institution first. Growing the endowment and climbing the US News rankings is our priority. We will let others wallow in this cesspool. Your comment is completely accurate.

“Meanwhile Pat Haden can just stay out of the discussion while the political discussion occurs. USC is clearly wronged by the NCAA COI actions from 2005 and the fact we’re still dealing with this stuff is very unjust to the current student athletes.”
USC can enjoy the show. With CAPA, T. Boone Pickens, the Todd McNair Case and potentially even Congress and the IRS getting involved, the NCAA-BCS-BSPN cabal is going to be quite busy.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 5, 2011 9:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Just stand back and let everyone else bludgeon one another.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 5, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Mandel's Heisman vote went to RG3

Nice job Larry, your bungling probably cost Luck the Heisman. What next?
STUART MANDEL

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 5, 2011 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

To be fair

I would have voted for RGIII. Luck would be, at BEST, my 3rd highest pick, behind RGIII and Barkley.

Fight On! Beat everybody but us!

by USCLink on Dec 5, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Can’t disagree, Luck did lose to Oregon but they should have been given a chance to play in the CCG. It would have made a huge difference if Luck hadn’t been home watching on TV

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 5, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct Agrippa

That is precisely my point.
Larry’s meddling in this cost Stanford AND USC an extra game.
Plus, it cost both teams nominations to the Heisman.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 5, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

If I were to be impartial

RGIII would have my vote. He is the best player in the country this year. Barkley wouldn’t be in my top three simply because Lane Kiffin orchestrated a lot of the USC records to be broken this year.

Comparisons of Barkley to Palmer and Leinart don’t hold water. Both Carson and Leinart were pulled for many 4th quarters after blowing out their opponents in the 1st half. I have no doubt that Leinart could have thrown for 9 or 10 touchdowns in some games if he wanted to. The Colorado game comes to mind when discussing this issue. Pete Carroll would not have kept Leinart in for the whole game in order to break a touchdown record.

I still think Barkley is great, and that he has improved lightyears beyond what he did in his first two seasons, but RGIII has a legitimate claim to the Heisman over Luck and Barkley in my opinion for what he’s accomplished on the field this year.

by frak on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I still say USC goes Independent and when the BCS picks us for championship game, we say How Much Money You Got.

Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 5, 2011 4:34 PM PST reply actions  

BCS won't pick an independent school

The BCS system is too arrogant and would rather put LSU v. Alabama in the BCS even if it’s hosted in Pasadena.

by bonesmccoy on Dec 5, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There are special rules in the BCS for Notre Dame

Notre Dame gets an automatic BCS bid if it finished 8 or higher in the BCS standings. I imagine that USC would get a similar rule if it went independent.

by frak on Dec 7, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

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