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Your thoughts on the Mora Hire

At this point I really couldn't care less.

Jim Mora aka "Junior" hasn't been in the job more than 48 hours and he is already polarized the CFB world.

Bruins fans hate the hire, Huskies fans, for the most part, are supportive and other pundits and other CFB regulars seem to be split.

My attitude is a simple one...

I'm not sure how Mora will work out. The numbers don’t make it look good, but numbers are also overrated.

That Dan Guerrero went outside the UCLA tree says they are trying to go in a different direction. And if Mora was Guerrero's hire and not the boosters (Wasserman et. al.) then it shows DG is still in charge and is thumbing his nose at a certain portion of the fan base...

Fact is UCLA is NOT a dream destination in FB, if it was coaches would have been lining up. UCLA currently has a horrible reputation as far as a coaching destination.They can't find an established home run type coach.

I am sure it pains UCLA fans to read that, but I challenge them to prove me wrong...heck it isn't just me anyone who is anyone in CFB agrees.

Maybe Mora will be good, maybe not, but he is well behind the curve. That is why who he hires as assistants is key.

I am not buying into any of the Carroll comparisons either, that’s the exception not the rule…but hey lightning can always strike twice I guess.

I won't be worry about this hire until Mora beats USC and puts a top 5 recruiting class together.

It is rumored that Mora has said that recruiting is a necessary evil in CFB....uh, ya' think!!

Anyway, it has been to read the plethora of comments on this hire from all corners from the CFB world.

I really am ambivalent, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts...

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curious to sre what DG saw in him

With his limited cfb experience.

by Joe Trojan on Dec 12, 2011 5:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

All hires are a crap shoot

but it seems this one is more than most. I too don’t see the Carroll comparison but at the most superficial of levels. That UCLA had $4M to spead and couldn’t land a home run hire says so much. That DG went and hire Mora after BN called Jihad says even more. Mora needs to over come so many more things than Carroll did at USC, it’s hard to see this turning out well for the gutty little ones.

by ev on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

UCLA didn't make a home run hire because Guerrero had no plan

for making a home run hire beyond luring Petersen out of Boise. It’s incredible for me to believe, but the facts support that Guerrero had only two names, maybe three on his list, and all (Petersen, Golden and maybe Sumlin) were going to be tough gets, regardless of money. The troubling thing for me is Guerrero’s failure to take a look at Leach, or apparently any of the attractive options with successful college records. I presume that Leach wasn’t considered because of the mouth, but he had a good record at a major conference, graduated his kids and brought a truly exciting offense around. So we blow that off for Jim Mora?

Mora could turn out to be a very solid coach, but the odds are against it. More likely than not he keeps UCLA mired in (at best) mediocrity for another 4-5 years, by which time Guerrero won’t be around since he will have gone on to work for the NCAA and UCLA finally hires someone who can restore the program to a shred of respectability.

I always wanted to know how Cub fans felt, since I live only about one mile from Wrigley, and it looks as if my idle curiosity will be satisfied.

by ucladj89 on Dec 12, 2011 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Guerrero did have a plan.

He wanted Neuheisel to have another year. All that changed because of 50 – 0 and the howling mass of indignation that followed. It was practically a repetition of the Karl Dorrell firing, only more pathetic. What Bruin wouldn’t prefer to have Neuheisel back right now?

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

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by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 12, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Me...

Another year for Neuheisel would have been a disaster. He completely lost that team a long time ago.

by DannyJay01 on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

But... but... but...

They carried him off the field!

by CPEM on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Some of them did

The rest went to collect their bowl checks.

by frak on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been saying this for a while

I think the culture that prevents the consideration of Leach at UCLA comes from around and above Guerrero.

"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell

by RabbitSC on Dec 12, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Hiring Mora feels like chasing losses

Seems like the PAC-12 as a whole had new TV money burning a hole in their collective pockets, which either made a lot of schools antsy for change, or gave them the money to cut a coach free that they couldn’t have afforded to do otherwise.

Once UCLA whiffed on their top few picks, I wonder if the smarter thing to do would have been to punt for a year and put an interim coach in place. Next year can’t be this much of a bloodbath in the coaching ranks, at least not in the PAC-12, and an interim hire buys you almost a full year to send out feelers and get someone lined up. I suppose a move like that might have cost Dan his job, but it gives potential coaches time to see UCLA putting money into the football program (assuming that they would), and if you pick an interim coaching staff with an eye to player development (somebody to hammer fundamentals and coach up the redshirt QB), you can have things in decent shape for a more permanent hire.

by Boy Howdy on Dec 13, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Guerrero never considered Leach

Guerrero is tight with the AD and admin at Texas Tech, so he undoubtedly sides with their opinions on Leach, even though they have been largely discredited.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

As disheartened as I am with this hire...

I’m wondering why no one has at least taken the time to look at Mora’s offensive, or defensive philosophies. I get it, he coached the Falcons to within one game of the Super Bowl, and then some sub par seasons before spending a terrible season with Seattle, but no one has ever actually looked at the way he’s game planned, and seen if maybe it would fit at the college level.

All I’ve read or heard from BN is "Chianti Dan", "#nomora", and so on, but no substance. The national media seems to hang on to his record, but nothing more. Of course in order for me to actually have faith in this hire, I’d have to believe that Dan Guerrero actually completed a thorough and well thought out process, but that would probably be asking too much.

Anyhow, does anyone actually have any information on what kind of systems Mora runs, or has run in the past? I know he coached Michael Vick for a good minute, so would there be any way to incorporate Brett Hundley into that?

by DannyJay01 on Dec 12, 2011 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

Hate to break this too you...

But it’s extremely unlikely that “Dan Guerrero actually completed a thorough and well thought out process”.

However, don’t lose faith. There is a lot of luck in this type of hire, and UCLA is overdue for some of it.

by TrojanJAG on Dec 13, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the process was a mess, but that said,

hours of interviews gives the UCLA staff more far insight into Mora’s intenton both sides of the ball than you can get from looking at his NFL performance. He’s not going to take his NFL schemes wholesale to college, when you only get 20 hours a week to implement them. That way lies madness and Bill Callahan’s massive playbook.

I honestly think the best source of that sort of information between now and spring ball is going to be interviews with Mora himself, and reports trickling out from gladhanding with boosters. It’ll be a lot of sunshine pumping, but it’s better than the attempts to extrapolate old NFL results to future college results.

by Boy Howdy on Dec 13, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

As a Seahawks fan who endured his 1 season in Seattle

I couldn’t be happier with this hire for ucla. Mora was clueless, lost his players, blamed everyone but himself for the troubles etc etc. The guy didn’t exhibit any leadership capabilities at all.

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by bluemax on Dec 13, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

bluemax, I have said as much myself on other posts

Only delusional Huskey fans think this was a good hire. Mora may have been a good replacement for Nick Holt as DC but as a HC he is no improvement over Neusheisel. Guerrero has done a great job of turning fan sentiment against himself, once again.

by Trojan Knight on Dec 13, 2011 6:48 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

A few thoughts

Mora needs to not obsess over USC the way Neuheisel did. Neuheisel spent too much time trying to call out, compare, and challenge USC, that he didn’t stop to think about what ucla’s identity as a team was. Mora should start the focus on his players and his school, and get those guys playing with each other, and for each other. Do not give USC or any other team any more importance than the team you are playing that Saturday.

Also Mora needs to avoid embarrassing ad campaigns that contain the word “monopoly,” and by all means never use the word “gap” in relation to anything other than a place to buy clothes. If he steers clear of those two words he doesn’t risk providing annual bulletin board material for USCs team, and comedy material for USCs blogs.

Also I wouldn’t address the student section after games like Neuheisel did. That wore thin after the third year.

by frak on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

The biggest mistake is the fact UCLA hired a guy that has been already been overshadowed by Pete Carroll.

Carroll replaced Mora as head coach of the Seahawks after a dismal first season. Carroll has done some unorthodox things in the pros like the roster turnstile and having a live dj during practices. He has held players accountable, released or traded players that were favorites at SC, but not once has he spoken negatively about a player. He has given the team an identity, something Mora could not do. Mora lacks the leadership and maturity to admit his mistakes and will scapegoat the most convenient player or unit. UCLA will lack a team identity because they’ll be too busy pointing fingers at each other. Its fantasy for anyone to seriously believe Mora could approach anything near Carroll’s success at USC, but because of their history, Mora will be expected to. And a shadow cast from Seattle will continue to fall over Westwood.

by Trojan Knight on Dec 14, 2011 1:22 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting that you say "UCLA will lack a team identity"...

…because that’s exactly what I thought when I read this:

As for the type of Offense he will run (BruinOar should like this): He is absolutely going to design the Offense by tailoring it to the talent that he has, based on his upcoming evaluations. It will be a sort of hybrid attack that is strategically planned to maximize the talent on the roster, and the scheme will NOT HAVE A NAME, like West Coast, or Pistol, or Pro-Set, or Wishbone. It will combine elements from various disciplines, all predicated on what he has to work with, talent-wise.

http://bruinzone.com/fb/messages/48319.shtml

All I can say is…what a load of crap. It sounds like Mora has no clue what he’s doing in CFB.

No plan = No Name = No Identity = No points.

When coaches Kiffin, Leach, Kelly, Sark, and Rodriguez are explaining to recruits how they’ll fit into their respective offenses, I guess Mora will tell them, “We’re going to develop our offense around what you do best”. LMAO.

by TrojanJAG on Dec 14, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

If that's what Mora is thinking

then wow! Recruits probably don’t want to hear that. I hope that is all just a blogger spouting off some theory, because that makes no sense to have no plan on what you are going to do heading into a recruiting season.

by frak on Dec 14, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought that Mora handled the press conference well

He refused to make any bold statements regarding his opponents, and just said he wants to make ucla football something that bruins can be proud of again. It was the polar opposite of Neuheisel’s “we’re not scared of USC” speeches. The bruins have many more problems that are more important to fix than how to deal with USC.

I don’t believe that Mora is incompetent the way Neuheisel was. He’s a real coach. Whether or not he can be successful in college remains to be seen. There are a lot of NFL Head Coach busts in the college ranks, and ucla doesn’t exactly have the greatest talent pool at the moment.

by frak on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

It is nice that

the former regime can work on the game plan for the Kraft Bowl, while the new regime is allowed to recruit. The bruins got a waiver that says that they can’t have both sets of coaches recruiting at the same time, but it gives the bruins an advantage in recruiting because other staffs that are participating in bowl season don’t have the time to head out on the recruiting road just yet.

The NCAA bailed ucla out of a jam with that waiver. They won’t have any of the detriments of losing recruiting days to due to staff transition. I wonder if any other team applied for such a waiver. If they didn’t, they should.

by frak on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

tOSU did apply and got one for Urban Meyer, too.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 14, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Paragon is right about the state of the UCLA program these days

I have to agree with him that the UCLA job is not very attractive these days. When you consider that UCLA shares many of the aspects that your program offers (location, recruiting base, weather, good school, and a decent history if you skip the 2000’s), it is easy to see the difference in the jobs. The lack of support from the UCLA admin, the buffoon running the athletic department, and the 80 yard field you highlighted recently are only some of the reasons that a lot of other jobs far more attractive to a prospective coach.

I think Bruins fans, including those on BN (ducking…) have come around supporting Mora and want things to turn out well, while still acknowledging that the search process was poorly planned and poorly executed, and that the program will never reach its potential while the admin fiddles and Guerrerror is the AD.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 14, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

oskie said it best below

Appreciate your thoughts and for stopping by….it nice to see a mod from BN come by and have a thoughtful give and take

But Oskie is right, what changed? Recruiting has never been the issue at UCLA, player development is.

Klemm’s and Martin’s respective units didn’t exactly light it up this past season so while we know they can recruit how their units develop will be the bigger thing to watch

Another dream team of coaches who have a lot yet to prove

Either way it will be fun and both fanbases will have lots to talk about going forward

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by Paragon SC on Dec 14, 2011 2:18 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

What changed is that Mora was hired

We were vocal in our disapproval of Mora for a large number of reasons such as no college experience, losing record in the pros, no experience against a spread, numerous better candidates, he’d still be available in January, and on and on.

But despite our warnings why there were better options, Guerrerror hired Mora now anyway. So we can either bash our brand new coach for signing a $12 mil contract (but bashing him seems unnecessarily negative, because in the end we’re always rooting for our team to succeed and Mora is 0-0 right now) or we can focus on the areas he’ll need to address, like building a qualified staff to fill in the gaping holes in his own resume.

Hiring coaches who are good recruiters seems to be a smart move for Mora, since he has never recruited a player in his life, and we it is fair to applaud that decision. But you are right that recruiting is only half the battle. Neuheisel got three great recruiting classes, but it never translated on the field. If the new coaches can’t develop the players, then we’ll see the same things we’ve seen for the last 3 years. And that will still be a big concern with this new staff going forward, too.

So I don’t think there has been an “entire shift of personality”, but rather a realistic change in perspective and direction. It’s a subtle difference that I wouldn’t expect Oski to appreciate.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Dec 14, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a subtle difference that I wouldn’t expect Oski to appreciate.

WOW

Here’s something we expect “some” Bruins just can’t appreciate. I know Dan Guerrero, and believe it or not, he does not spend his day reading the psychotic ramblings that are spewed on BN. Dan doesn’t read BN. Dan doesn’t give a rat’s ass about BN. Dan will never take “advice” from BN.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

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by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 14, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait...

Did you just say USC is a good school? I’m calling that a breakthrough, or maybe even an epiphany.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

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by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 14, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

What I find interesting

Is the entire shift of personality over on BN.

Before this hire, the bners seemed to be in some weird competition to out-do one another in a sick attempt to degrade and belittle Mora. They heaped all manner of scorn on him as a coach from his competency to the fact that he didn’t meet the bn “minimum acceptable requirements” to be their coach. They lambasted anyone over there who dared to offer even the slightest positive comment about him, and essentially concluded he was a pathetic loser unfit to even come within 10 miles of their 80-yard practice field.

Now, of course, they are suddenly lauding him as being very smart in his hiring of assitant coaches, and are offering begrudging positive comments about him and his attitude.

The funny thing is there isn’t the slightest bit of self-awareness of this internal contradiction. As if they never behaved in a despicable manner during this hiring process, nor showed their ugly side when discussing him as a potential candidate.

Personally, I’m glad that at least now they are behaving in a polite manner toward him. But it really does expose the childish nature and mob-mentality of some of the folks over there.

Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".

by SoCal Oski on Dec 14, 2011 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

They self-select. Why is it these types always choose Ucla? There must be some kind of geomagnetic field under the hills of Westwood. It’s power is irresistible to individuals with soft frontal lobes, and it turns them into implacable child-lunatics.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

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by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 14, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

post of the day!

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by Paragon SC on Dec 14, 2011 2:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Oh noes! Now Oski is going to get all swell headed and stuff…

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 14, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Awww shucks.

One thing though, I really do try (and I know many over here on your blog do as well) to differentiate between bners and other Ucla fans.

For the most part, the Ucla alumns I know are pretty reasonable, level-headed, and easy-going guys. They root for their team, but don’t go around with a white hot flame of rage burning in their hearts for anything not colored that silly blue. I like those guys.

bn, on the other hand …

Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".

by SoCal Oski on Dec 14, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Just like you like “Big C” er, “Sons of Westwood?”

If “our sturdy golden bruin” didn’t sound so utterly stupid, methinks you would have stolen “Fight for California” as well.

"That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys." Henry Hill, Goodfellas.

Feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Dec 14, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh..

Don’t much pay attention to the similarities. (Given there’s a lot).

by DannyJay01 on Dec 15, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Here are the numbers...

Klemm’s OL at SMU allowed 27 sacks in 2011, ranking 81 out of 120 teams.

Martin’s secondary at UW gave up 283 passing yards/game, ranking 116 out of 120 teams.

Not exactly lights out…

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by Paragon SC on Dec 14, 2011 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

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