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The 2011 USC v. UCLA football game will be held tomorrow night at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum but will it really matter?

For the students, staff, alumni, and fans of both UCLA and USC, the crosstown rivalry game is loaded with memories, but in 2011 the game will have no impact on national standings, PAC-12 standings, and post-season play. Let's explain why.

1. The Bowl Championship Series ranking totally eliminates any team under NCAA sanction from their rankings. However, the mathematical formula (algorithm) used by computerized ranking programs also discount the standings of the entire conference where the sanctioned school plays. The reason is that rankings used to calculate standings for the BCS include computer polls, the Harris Poll, and the USA Today polls. When strength of schedule is analyzed, some ranking systems will not rank schools who are under sanction. Therefore, all of the conference opponents of USC are then unfairly lowered in strength of schedule.

How unfair is it to Stanford and Oregon that they would be deprecated in national rankings by virtue of the USC NCAA COI action in 2010?

In the Harris and the USA Today polls, USC is not ranked because of Paul Dee's (mis)conduct as Chair of the NCAA Committee on Infractions in 2010, where Mr. Dee sanctioned USC's program for allegations of impropriety. These allegations are false and yet no submission, no cross examination, and no legally admissible rebuttals were made by USC. Despite that fact, the NCAA still sanctioned USC and kept USC out of the rankings for the 2010-2012 seasons. With UCLA unranked and USC ranked 10 by the AP, the rest of the computers are acting like USC doesn't exist. How convenient for the SEC+2 and Big Twelve-3+1. Oh gee, look who's in the Top 5. Its the two conferences without sanctioned schools!

Therefore, despite AP ranking USC at #10, Oregon, Stanford, and UCLA have no improvement in BCS standing by way of playing the #10 team in the nation. In fact, Oregon and Stanford have computer calculations where they appear to have lost against an unranked USC opponent. Instead, they should get credit for playing a very strong team in USC. Is it really fair to the players at Stanford, Oregon, and Arizona State that they would be lowered in their strength of schedule by virtue of an NCAA action for something that occured over 6 year ago? 2. The PAC-12 pulled a Larry. Larry decided that USC would be ineligible to play in the PAC-12 conference championship game. So, Larry eliminated USC from the Championship role in the South. This is like just choosing to unilaterally act like USC doesn't exist. Therefore, with the loss tonight of Utah against Colorado, UCLA has become the second place winner in the PAC-12, regardless of the outcome of the game tomorrow night. Nice Job Larry. In one fell swoop, you negated USC's national TV audience and negated the viewership of a USC v. Oregon or a USC v. Stanford rematch. Instead, you delivered the Oregon v. UCLA slaughterhouse. Does anyone really think that UCLA is competitive with the Ducks?

3. Cross town rivalry - in the last 20 years, there were periods where UCLA romped and where USC romped. In the middle of those periods, there was only impact from NCAA action and the politics. The off-field garbage really did more to impact USC v. UCLA than any particular down or series.

How sad that NCAA claims to support college athletics, when the reality is quite the reverse. The NCAA instead uses it's political monopoly to stomp on student athletes to the point where they are not allowed to compete for political reasons instead of letting them compete on the athletic field.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.

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Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole “Haavahd” tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALLl.

The FOOTBALL GODS f#cked-up Dirty Larry’s moronic plan to “promote” Stanford into the National Championship game and Andrew Luck into the Heisman. I hope the greedy Pac-10* presidents that hired this self-promoting prick enjoy the TV cash while we freeze our asses off at these ridiculous November night games. Shame on all of them

*Until Larry’s clownshow “teams” from Utah and Colorado prove they can play in our conference, we are STILL the Pac-10. PERIOD!

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 26, 2011 12:22 AM PST reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong....

but I thought USC was figured into all equations and then pulled out, so as to not affect negatively, teams that played against us.

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Nov 26, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

+1

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Nov 26, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

yah thats what i heard to

Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 26, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Can you explain the computer rankings and SOS calc?

I’m looking for that ranking formula and the impact of Strength of Schedule on it.
If a computer uses the Harris or USA Today polls to rank a team or conference’s strength of schedule, then the entire PAC-12 is injured by the NCAA COI action from 2010.
Notre Dame would also be higher in the computer polls and therefore the BCS polls by the NCAA COI action.

by bonesmccoy on Nov 26, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

That works for the computers

but not for the harris and coaches poll. Yes the computers still factor in USC to strength of schedule, and then remove USC and move everyone else up one spot. The Harris and Coaches poll are not allowed to vote for USC, and everyone else is moved up a spot. I think the Harris and Coaches polls would still be fair to some degree as they are human polls and humans would give credit to Stanford for a quality win and Oregon for a loss to a quality team. I’m not sure that bones is right about this. I just think that the reason why the BCS loves the SEC is that the polls are fairly biased to begin with, and when you lump in the fact that Oregon shit the bed against LSU at the beginning of the year, and Stanford has dropped off after their loss to Oregon, its hard to argue that they deserve a shot at the NC game.

by frak on Nov 27, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Frak, you missed the point

A conference with a school having NCAA sanctions faces economic and financial damage from the downgrade of the conference strength of schedule.

The issue is that the BCS computer formulas are NOT published and therefore the selection of the top ten teams is problematic.

by bonesmccoy on Nov 27, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought USC was including in the rankings, and then backed out with no effect on opponents

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Nov 26, 2011 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

The issue is the ban at USA Today and Harris of ranking USC

When a team is on sanction, they are dropped from the Harris and USA Today polls.
I have been attempting to get the computer formulas used by the six BCS computer rankings to evaluate “strength of schedule” impact to the entire conference.
I know that when the SOS calculation was being used by certain computers, the SOS calculation was altering the position of the 1 and 2 loss teams in the rankings.
SOS calculation is important for the entire conference.
For instance, if Alabama or LSU played a school under sanction, wouldn’t the SOS calculation suffer and weaken their national standing?
My other point is that the SOS calculation also permits the NCAA COI to control future rankings for a school by imposing rules on that college which are punitive instead of permitting the student athletes to exercise competition on the field.

by bonesmccoy on Nov 26, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

More on computer algorithms and strength of schedule

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/943348-college-football-understanding-how-the-bcs-rankings-work

The computer rankings are the third and final portion of the overall BCS college football equation. There are six computers that contribute to the rankings. The six computer calculations and results are contributed from Peter Wolfe, Jeff Sargin of USA Today, Kenneth Massey, Anderson & Hester, Richard Billingsley, and Colley Matrix.

The weekly computer results will vary as each computer is programmed to attain different results. For example Peter Wolfe’s formula is not completely known to the general public but what is known is he weighs previous outcomes, game locations, common opponents, and the probability of winning versus losing.

Jeff Sargin’s formula includes strength of schedule, location of the games, wins, and losses.

The Colley Matrix claims to be non-bias toward any team or conference. One of the more interesting attributes is there are no preseason rankings applied to any team thus all teams start out the same in the computer.

Home field advantage is not a key component in the Colley Matrix rankings but strength of schedule is highly regarded. Teams like Texas A&M with five-losses could be ranked higher than a two loss team due to their schedule.

The Billingsley Report could be argued as one of the most forgiving computer ranking systems. The Billingsley Report is run by Richard Billingsley of the College Football Research Center. He awards teams points based off of last year’s results as a starting point for each team’s ranking then adds wins and losses during the current season.

Strength of schedule is an important component of the Billingsley Report. If "Team A" loses to "Team B" in week two of the season, "team A" could bypass "team B" the following week depending on quality of win over "teams C & D".

Jeff Anderson and Chris Hester take wins, losses, home field advantage, records vs. Top 25 teams, records vs. non-Top 25 teams, and conference strength of schedule. When a friend starts talking about strength of schedule three teams removed, they are using the Anderson and Hester approach to college football rankings.

Kenneth Massey’s rankings place more emphasis on games later in the season to games at the beginning of the season. He also takes into account location, wins, and losses.

All computer results do not factor margin of victory in college football games per BCS rules. Margin of victory is thought to influence bias through computer results as found in human polls.

by bonesmccoy on Nov 26, 2011 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

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