Quack Head Rolls, Oregon President Fired
by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 24, 2011 12:13 AM PST
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According to reports by multiple outlets, the Oregon State Board of Higher Education has notified University of Oregon President Richard Lariviere that he will be released from his job at the end of the school year. Disappointed by the news, Lariviere stated, "it comes down to a disagreement about the future of the University of Oregon."
Lariviere was hired on July 1, 2009, the same day Mike Bellotti became Athletic Director. In less than one year, he would become embroiled in controversy for approving Bellotti’s $2.3 million golden parachute for resigning in April 2010. Lariviere’s relationship with the Board of Higher Education was also strained with disagreements over school independence and increased faculty pay; though it gained him many allies among Oregon’s professors, as they scored over $5 million in raises.
In sharp contrast, Lariviere had developed a cozy partnership with Nike President and major Oregon donor Phil Knight, who upon learning of his friend’s sacking, ranted that it was “Yet another application of Oregon’s Assisted Suicide law” and that “Some people in power in our state continue to drive Oregon into a death spiral with their embrace of mediocrity.”
In a virtual declaration of war with the Board of Higher Education, Knight also stated that
“For the Chancellor and the State Board of Higher Education, a team player is someone who falls in line with their acceptance of mediocrity, and the one who strives for excellence does not fit in.” Knight said “Let us hope that the Oregon community can take this astonishingly bad decision and recognize that it does not have to define us. We still have the collective capacity to rise up and do great things.”
It sure sounds like “Uncle Phil” is going to miss the soon to be ex-president’s willingness to give him free reign in the Athletic Department. But the Board of Higher Education (BHE) has had enough; president Matt Donegan issued a statement saying “This is strictly a personnel matter, not a matter of policy,” and “It is in no way motivated by a difference of opinion about the future of the University of Oregon. The Board’s priority is an effective transition in leadership for the benefit of the University of Oregon and the Oregon University System.”
Things could get very interesting very soon. Phil Knight’s duck wings have been clipped and the BHE is battening down the hatches. Mike Bellotti’s golden parachute millions were procured by donors that were pushing Associate Athletic Director Jim Bartko, a guy that who’s job is to keep Phil Knight happy, and who's loyalty to Team Swoosh could be counted on. Instead they got Rob Mullens, a smart guy who has learned to play the game very quickly as evidenced by his handling of the Willie Lyles scandal.
Rivers of money flow and the Athletic Department’s budget has grown by 60% in the last five years. Football and basketball recruits are dazzled at Nike HQ and athletes are hired as "designers." NBA superstars prowl the sidelines before Ducks football games. Something... no, a lot is rotten in Oregon and the NCAA has caught the scent, so did the Oregon State Board of Higher Education.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.
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Uncle Phil is not a happy camper
“It’s yet another application of Oregon’s Assisted Suicide law,” he said. “For the chancellor and the State Board of Higher Education, a ‘team player’ is someone who falls in line with their acceptance of mediocrity, and the one who strives for excellence does not fit in.”
interesting
it would not surprise me if UO was battening down the hatches in the wake of the Lyles case.
Putting in a university pres who isn’t as easily influenced by Knight because of his open door access might be the first step in appeasing the NCAA.
I wonder if they have an idea of what is coming down?
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Phil's greatest regret is that the can not control Oregon State Board of College Education
If you look at Board Member’s Bios you see a group of successful individuals that can not be cowed. Some are Oregon State grads that have an interest in correcting the unevenness of the playing field.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Sweet post!
Disharmony at Nike U. I love it! So, the state of Oregon might prefer the Ducks to be a place to pursue academic merit, rather than a corporate training outpost for Nike.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Knight's reaction says it all
Regardless of the amount of money the unversity is getting from Nike, university boards don’t want to be beholden to a single corporation. The fact that Phil is ranting like that is an indication that he just lost some influence, and it seems like that’s exactly what the university board had in mind. When he uses the phrase “acceptance of their mediocrity”, he’s talking about sports. University boards are supposed to pay attention to excellence in other areas.
by bwren on Nov 24, 2011 8:56 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Bingo.........
Nike U new slogan might be …….. Just Done It
by trojanarchitect on Nov 24, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
yeap!
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This style of reaction is often referred to as a TANTRUM
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
When Phil says do it... just do it :P
This was the original Nike slogan, before it was abridged.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
When does Lariviere start work @ Nike?
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Guys
please, this has absolutely nothing to do with football. We would trade all of our football success to be a great university. This has everything to do with Lariviere standing up to the Board of Higher Ed. UO has been terribly funded for years, and that has mired us in mediocrity. Lariviere worked hard to change the system and address issues of funding and faculty pay, and dared to have a vision that we could someday be a great University.
I know you don’t like us in football. I know you don’t like Phil Knight. Fine. But this goes beyond any of that. Athletics doesn’t matter in these situations. Its very telling that, in a day since this decision was made, letters were sent to the State Board of Higher Ed by every department head at UO, by the student senate after an emergency meeting, and by the alumni association. We are all in shock and outrage over this.
So please don’t downplay the situation by making jokes about football. Football doesn’t matter. This goes to the core of our mission as a University, and is a transparent power play by the Board, who wants to continue to treat us (and fund us) as if we are some directional school.
--Dave
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Reasonable people can look at different aspects of an issue...that's fair
I would agree that it has nothing to do with football…it is all about influence.
Regardless, if UO is terribly funded over the years as you indicate, I would be interested to hear what Knight has done to help fund UO outside of athletics.
Maybe you know, I obviously don’t.
Put another way, Knight has done a great job at PR for UO athletics, what about Academics? Where is his PR campaign there?
Just asking.
That would go a long way to softening Knight’s image…an image that many see, not just USC fans, as win at all costs.
Just one opinion…
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Knight has done a lot for academics
he built the library and the law school, and has endowed 25 professorships.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Nov 24, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
It is a fraction of what Knight has invested in the football and basketball programs
He has treated the UofO as if it were a sports franchise with an extra large research department. He has influence that goes far beyond the traditional bounds at public institutions. Just ask the Bruins, who can’t access donor funds to hire a football coach even if they want to. Those $300 million he donated to “athletics” would have gone a very long way to improving Oregon’s academic standing. For starters, it would be nice if UofO could work on that 80% admit rate.
Like Paragon says, it’s all about influence and how much of it Phil’s money has bought.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Yes exactly Locooooo keep it up
Using the school for a proof product is exactly what Phil has done since the Waffle Sole, plus giving tons of money to make the sports programs more reconizable across the world is what he wanted. It is just advertising dollars ( massive right off ) well spent and it brings better players and atheletes to Oregon. But that is really strange why not help out OSU, Portland and PSU since they are part of the state——ah Phil don’t be such a homer next time—-since OU will spend sometime on probation.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I knew the other $$$ toward the library etc at O, just like he gave $100M (maybe wrong figure) to Stanford...
But I also agree that undo influence could be at play. Was the $$ given without strings and if memory services me correctly I believe much more was given to athletic facilities at O than for academics?
by trojanarchitect on Nov 24, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
The other side of the problem is that UO's entire endowment is a relatively paltry
If Knight had a real interest in academics, he could have donated all that money to the UO endowment and by now it would be close to a respectable one billion.
It is folly to believe that UO could play by its own set or rules. The Oregon State Board of Public Education oversees the Oregon University System that consists of a family of institutions: Eastern Oregon University, Oregon Institute of Technology, Oregon State University, Portland State University, Southern Oregon University, Western Oregon University, Oregon Health and Science University and the University of Oregon.
Perhaps as David Piper says, Lariviere’s policy was only to improve the fortunes of UO’s academic side. Unfortunately he went about it the wrong way, and Knight’s intense displeasure at the Board’s rebuke tells you he was the power behind the policy, and the policy puts football first.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
In respect to David Piper
as the Honorable Consul stated directly above, this disparity between Knight’s academic donations and his athletic donations understandably creates the image that Knight’s priorities were on the football field. Lariviere’s close friendship with Knight and Knight’s tantrum at his dismissal understandably create the image that Knight is upset because he is losing his greatly prized influence over UO.
But yes, as Piper said, Knight can also be viewed in light of his significant academic donations and Lariviere can also be viewed as a positive maverick dedicated to improving academics at UO and bucking the Board’s unwillingness to fund UO sufficiently by being dedicated to the hunt for other sources of academic funding outside the state government.
The truth probably lies closer to the middle, just a bit out of balance with the scales tilted toward Duck Athletics. As Loco and Paragon say, it wouldn’t be surprising if this is a preemptive move to defend against a not yet public NCAA investigation. Or maybe Oregon is bulletproof, since the NCAA really desperately wants a Pac 12 counterweight to USC.
Really great article Loco, well written and insightful and informative.
No, it doesn't lie in the middle.
With all respect, there is no indication whatsoever of any tie between this and Duck athletics, or any issues within Duck athletics. The people and organizations (basically the whole University) supporting Lariviere, and those in power defending their actions, are battling over several issues, chiefly:
- Lariviere going over the heads of the board and pressing a plan to increase independent funding and governance at UO, something that has been obviously needed for decades, despite the Board’s attempt to preemptively veto the plan and keep him quiet.
- Lariviere giving necessary raises to retain faculty despite the governor’s and the board’s insistance that they embrace solidarity austerity with other campuses in the system – with OSU giving similar raises mere months later.
The truth does not lie near the middle. It is about the academic mission and future of UO, period. There hasn’t been one word about Bellotti’s pension (which had nothing to do with Lariviere anyway), potential NCAA issues, or athletics at all from any actually invested parties. Phil Knight has a larger microphone because he is perhaps the school’s most recognizable alumnus, but he speaks for alumni everywhere. His influence or support for athletics or the university in general is not affected by this. The future academic success of UO is. The only people who are drawing connections between this action and athletics seem to be fans of rival schools (both in and out of state) who are not terribly familiar with the actual issues and don’t particularly care to catch up, but rather prefer to spin conjecture based on inaccurate perceptions. The quote offered from the board is pure misdirection. The board has not offered any explanation for the firing publicly beyond that denial, saying that they will not comment on “personnel issues,” but all informed reports cite tension between the board and Lariviere concerning support for UO academics, and the Governor’s letter in support of the board basically acknowledges that the decision was based upon the issues that I mentioned above. It is about a power struggle between the board and the UO president, with nothing whatsoever to do with Phil Knight or UO athletics. This is about the academic integrity, stability and quality of the University of Oregon completely separate from any athletics issues. Period.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
But I still don't care what Nike and Oregon does they well Never and I say NEVER be as great as USC or even Ucla.
And again as I have said before Bang Bang—- Rolf Rolf that is the sound of the ducks being shot down and the dogs retrieving them.
Happy Thanks you guys
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 24, 2011 12:46 PM PST reply actions
Lol - awesome
This is great:
Bang Bang—- Rolf Rolf that is the sound of the ducks being shot down and the dogs retrieving them.
Love it!
Dudeeeeee thanks
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 24, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
REC this mother up!
Is that Duck green?
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
Yep all green and blowing chuncks
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 24, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Bahahaha! Now that's a metal picture for ya!
Thanks guys!
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
A little Hendricks coming on klos
Standing next to the mountain -/ that’s just it we have the best music out of so cal
Eat your hearts out ducks
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 24, 2011 4:06 PM PST reply actions
"Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful!"
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
This year's vintage of Schadenfreunde is the
finest I have had in years. Drink up everyone.
I'm not sure we're the ones who are "only concerned with football."
"Forget it. If 21 gets behind you, you can play the fight song." --Scott Van Pelt
I'm confused.
How are you linking this to athletics? Can you provide some references?
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
I'll take a stab at it...
Without Knight UO athletics is a shell of what it is today.
Don’t underestimate the power of academicians…while they like the money that athletics bring in they still want to be seen as academics first.
Knight may be getting a little too close to the power base in their eyes…and if the NCAA hits UO over Lyles that tarnishes the name of the university. Don’t believe me? Then all you need to look at Pat Haden and Max Nikias. They may “love” their athletics but they really “LOVE” their academic standing more…just look at USC’s endowments this year! Bad press keeps the purse strings closed unless you have the right guys lobbying for the money.
UO would love to be able to make it rain like that…
Knight is the face of the athletic program whether you like it or not. If things start to unravel WRT the NCAA that puts a stain on your beloved UO simply because Knight got pissed off that Slick Rick ran it up on you guys…that was the tipping point for Knight opening up Nike’s vault.
Maybe to some Knight is a little TOO involved…
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I will refrase my question.
What does anything that’s related to athletics, Phil Knight or Willie Lyles have to do with the firing of a President, who bucked the system one to many times. They are not related. If this fanpost and the comments herein are all you are basing your facts on you are doing yourself a disservice.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
I will say it again...
It is pure speculation…
You don’t know the reasons any more than we do…the Fanpost was based on Phil Knight’s outrage.
The inference was drawn that Knight’s anger might be because he might be losing access if someone less friendly to him is put in charge.
Maybe the board thought the ousted Pres was cow-towing to Knight a little too much…
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Ok.
I’m just telling you if you read any articles pertaining to this issue athletics, Knight and Lyles never comes up. Of course Knight is going to be mad, he is is friend and Oregon is his school.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
I think it's funny how you guys put a Phil Knight spin on everything.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
Laugh all you want...
Stand up high enough and people will start throwing rocks…
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Well thank you.
I can understand why it happens. To this day people still bring up Bush, blah, blah. I would just hope everybody would think more critically. there is just to much passion involved.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
Why was Knight the first person quoted in the Oregonian's first article?
"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell
Because Phil wants to make sure the Water Chickens get a REAL education!
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Because he is a prominent figure in the Oregon culture.
Whose comments happened to echo the disgust and displeasure of everyone related to UO. Not too mention, people are more likely to read an article that includes a person of interest.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
Thats alright Pond don't worry when you get Sanctioned they will still give you bread and water, isn't that all a waterbird needs.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, the ol sanction rebuttle.
Classy and insightful.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
Actually i don't care if you get Sanctioned or not, because I enjoyed watching USC beating you guys this year with a sanctioned team.
Hey it is not me that put your team in harms way it was your coach and i would say from all of this Mr. Night the Slave master. Good luck against the bRuins and the ncaa you will need it.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
A private school is going to give a public school crap for raising private dollars in order to retain quality staff and faculty members….
Congrats on the win, I know it means a lot to the Trojans to win a game in the state of Oregon because it so rarely happens anymore.
Less rare that UO winning at the Coliseum
Thanks to rigged P10 scheduling that only forces you guys to play at the Coli twice in 11 years. Does the conference scheduler work for Nike?
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No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Interesting was that in the last 11 years?
by trojanarchitect on Nov 28, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Last 11 years, USC vs Oregon
6 @ Eugene
3 @ LA Coli
2 did not play
So, they have had to play at the Coli 3 times in the last 11 years. We have played in Eugene twice as often.
Wouldn’t you think the league would try to balance the home/away schedules somewhat?
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Thanks --
I sort of remember that it seemed that we kept playing there right after the 12th season games was added…. does seem weird a 2-1 deal …
by trojanarchitect on Nov 28, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Not at all...
Its an observation.
This is pure politics, public vs. private has nothing to do with it.
Like I said above…Knight is the biggest Sugar Daddy you guys have. If you get hit Knight influence is diminished.
How do you know that some donors won’t give more because of Knight? Some may see him as a bully and will keep the purse strings closed because of perceived unfair advantage?
We are all just on the outside looking in offering our opinions…
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Guys.
It seriously, honestly, totally, definitely could not possibly have any less to do with Phil Knight.
This has happened primarily because Lariviere raised the salaries of faculty members despite being told by the board not to do so. They told him this because they couldn’t do the same at the other Oregon satellite institutions. He did it anyway, and he got fired.
Any linking to Knight is seriously baseless, even if it’s just abject speculation.
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by ProbablyMonty on Nov 28, 2011 9:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
UO's #101 ranking is well represented by all the Whiny Water Chickens flapping all over this post
Read the second paragraph below the masthead again (that would be the second cluster er bunch of words), aw hell, here it is again for all you quacks:
Lariviere was hired on July 1, 2009, the same day Mike Bellotti became Athletic Director. In less than one year, he would become embroiled in controversy for approving Bellotti’s $2.3 million golden parachute for resigning in April 2010. Lariviere’s relationship with the Board of Higher Education was also strained with disagreements over school independence and increased faculty pay; though it gained him many allies among Oregon’s professors, as they scored over $5 million in raises.See my daffy ones? We did indeed mention the problems with Lariviere’s slush fund cash for UO faculty -and boy do they love him for it! The faculty at the lesser schools in the Oregon University System (if such a thing is possible) don’t love him nearly as much. See, they didn’t get a taste of that lovely backwater baksheesh, and took a dim view of the whole affair. Just a little family squabble right? How come Oregon gets to go its own way, and why is there no union representation for Oregon faculty? Was Lariviere getting precious advice from the king of slave labor, sweat shops and union busting? Just asking, what with news article like this one popping up just a few weeks ago.
President Richard Lariviere again set the UO at odds with the rest of the system by handing out raises at a time when the state faced a $3.5 billion budget hole and faculty on other campuses were weathering furlough days and wage freezes. This summer the State Board of Higher Education offered Lariviere only a one-year contract with conditions he be more of a team player, attend board meetings and stop pursuing a legislative agenda for the UO independently of the board.We don’t mean to offend, but what kind of place are you guys running up there? Oooh, are you a Wal Mart?!
The UO raises came to light last month when Service Employees International Union Local 503, which represents 4,000 classified workers in the university system, alerted Chancellor George Pernsteiner that the UO found money to raise salaries for more than 1,300 professors and administrators this spring.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
See, that's much better.
I have no problem with you commenting on the facts. We understand our education system is flawed and needs reformation, at a deep level. However, Phil Knight has nothing to do with this and any attempts to tie him in to this is erroneous.
"Last time I checked, there is no ‘Hall of Average.’ " Chip Kelly
David Piper made a heartfelt comment
We would trade all of our football success to be a great university.
I couldn’t agree more. And therein likes the problem with Phil Knight’s “investments.” He’s invested close to a half billion dollars at UO and you have very little to show for it. I find it that the “flagship” institution of the Oregon University System is ranked lower (#101) than our lowest ranked UC school (UC Riverside #97). On the other hand, at Stanford Phil’s money went directly to academics. All because Phil got pissed off because Slick Rick ran it up on him? Do any of you Ducks see the irony in this?
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Actually, you're more right than you know
Phil Knight can give money to whomever he wants for whatever he wants. Yet when our President uses privately donated funds to give Professors raises to stop an exodus of good teaching talent leaving the state, he’s fired for it.
So what if Knight give $1 Billion to Oregon for academics, unlike at Stanford, the administration isn’t allowed to use it unless the know-it-alls of the board say it’s ok. That’s the problem. It’s nice having world class athletics and facilities, and I too would give it all up to have world class academics, only we’re not the ones in charge of making that happen. And even Knight with all his money, is in that same boat. Maybe we understand a little better why he’s pissed?
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
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Not buying it
Oregon is even more of a “Peoples Republic” than our own loony lefty California. There are ways around the funding issues for public universities, it’s called “building consensus.”
If Uncle Phil wanted to work within the system it would have been easy to work with the Oregon State Board of Higher Education to create a funding program to lift the entire system out of the financial mess its in now. They would have set up a private foundation to support the entire Oregon State University System, and UO would have been given its rightful place as Oregon’s flagship institution. Unfortunately, that wouldn’t have helped Phil exact his revenge for the insult perpetrated by one Richard Neuheisel in some cheesy third tier bowl game about 15 years ago.
So please, stop with the nonsense. You are Auburn covered in snow, all about football. Education is just a fig leaf on the “unit” (or would that be a tool?) that really matters to Phil.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Thank you so very much for the enlightening quack
Apparently UO is indeed the “Hall of Average” or more accurately the Hall of Way Below Average…
Oregon ranks last in pay among the 60 members of the Association of American Universities, an invitation-only group made up of many of the top public and private universities around the nation. In that comparison, Oregon’s average faculty salary of $73,300 is 11.5 percent below that of the second-to-last school, the University of Missouri, which has an average faculty salary of $82,600.Facts not feelings.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Junky, there is no two to four word limit here. Tell us what you really think.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
I really don't feel anyone is hating on your Ducks or the District of Oregon, just stating the facts about what is arising.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 30, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Name calling is far easier than a cogent argument.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
ROFLMAO
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No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
So you're saying Phil should donate to EVERY school in Oregon
just so the University of Oregon has the right to do what Oregon wants with the parts of Phil’s donations they do get? Are you serious? Do you really think that donors to USC should have to give to UCLA and Fresno St just so Nikias can determine how he wants to dole out salaries or build facilities for academics?
I get that you don’t like Oregon, that’s fine. But realize that if you’re including Phil Knight into this equation (which is asinine to begin with) determination of what the school uses those funds for does not begin or end with the University of Oregon. It’s stupid. Our education system as set up by the OUS is stupid. The Board and the Governor are stupid for perpetuating this ridiculous plan and when faced with an alternative or opposition, they ax the guy that started it.
If we have a mediocre education system, it’s not because of what Larievere did or what Knight doesn’t, it’s because the higher ups have determined that’s the way it’s going to be.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
Dont be a putz! Oh wait, you are...
USC is a private university, we can do whatever we want with donations. OU is public and has to live by the rules set up by the OUS or work with them to create a solution that works for the entire system. Sadly, your entire comment is garbage -except for the OUS and governor being stupid, and the putz thingie.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Zing-a-ding....
Maybe M D knows that SC is private. but it amazes me how many people don’t and yet we get the University of Spoil Children mantra for being the "rich man’s private school" — which is and is not true…..
University of Successful Children / University of Social Connections etc….
then there is always the University of South Central….
With SC’s help to the neighbor and neighbor kids, etc… I prefer
University of Social Commitment ….
In the end that ability to act independently of the state is a great asset for SC and other private schools.
by trojanarchitect on Dec 2, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
The University of Social Committment
Legend has it that USC was offered abundant acreage at the former El Toro MCAS for an OC Campus -about 20 years ago. It was a golden opportunity to bail on South Central Los Angeles, but Steve Sample declined the opportunity because of the University’s dedication to the community.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
The offers go much further back starting in the 1920’s or 30’s. Although I don’t recall the earliest ones….. but SC was offered to the land where UCI, Pepperdine and I think UCSD as well…all turned down to stay in south LA. It is written about is few recent books about SC and/or LA History.
I think the ‘promise’ of the location has really finally started to pay-off with the resurgence of DTLA.
by trojanarchitect on Dec 2, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, of course. It’s just that that last offer came on the heels of the LA riots and so much of the area going up in flames. If USC had left or even scaled back it’s presence, South LA would have been devastated.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Agreed --
I have a grad degree from Pepperdine. A few yes ago there in Quarterly magazine was an article on ‘how god delivered them from South LA to Malibu. Granted their location at Vermont & 78th was more within South LA. But the write up was amazing all based on fear of the neighborhood. It mention that in the Watts Riots they had damage which SC did not. I can only assume there was a different feeling in the community about Pepperdine than USC.
The article made me prouder of SC’s commitment to LA and making a difference in LA and particularly with its involvement in the area communities.
On a an architectural tone SC would be a different school without the older campus core of historic buildings. It is a beautiful campus and doesn’t have the feel of a supermarket of education like so many newer campuses.
by trojanarchitect on Dec 2, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
agree with that also
I also agree with the commitment that USC has to maintain itself in the LA Area.
But, I am also a bit surprised we don’t leverage the Irvine presence a bit more.
There’s no real strong OC private university at USC’s level of strength (Chapman University is nice, but not at USC’s level of development).
Anyways, the architecture at Main Campus is terrific.
Yes USC was offered all those sites and turned it down--why some don't understand, but it is all about originality .
Growing up in southern cal it was always known that USC was a special place, that had an alumni that supported it’s students (not just athletes) better than any other school in southern cal or even the west coast. You might of had rich kids going there but you also had 40-50% of hard working (night jobs) paying their own way somehow someway. But if you socialized with the alumni at USC it has always had great rewards but you have to get involved, but those alums love their school and anyone that makes the effort to get thru it. My biggest mistake in my life was continuing to play college tennis after my NCAA eligibility expired so I went to an NAIA school to play and finish, after Cerritos College.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 3, 2011 6:58 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, ok.
Anyway, I know USC is a private school. I know you can do whatever you want with donations. I was using that as an analogy and to contrast just how frustrating it is for private donors to give to public UO academics. Do you get that now? Do you see the point after rebuking me for how easy it is for donors of private schools to give to academics?
Geez, I didn’t think it would be that hard for you to figure out being that you went to such a prestigious private university.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
I gave you the benefit of the doubt....
M D – sounds like the problem is Oregon, as a state, needs to look to other public institutions for how to allow for donations if they make it that difficult. I don’t know why they would make it difficult other states’ institutions take in major donations. They are shooting themselves in the foot if they do.
But I know nothing about Oregon government, institutions etc…. I just enjoy seeing it and seeing a few friends I have up there…
by trojanarchitect on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
That is the problem
The OUS and the Governor don’t want the U of O to advance itself and leave OSU, Portland State and the directional schools behind. Larivere was fired for giving raises to professors from privately funded donations when the OUS and Gov told the schools not to because the state was tight with budgets. Nevermind the fact that the raises didn’t effect Oregon’s budget one penny, they didn’t want Oregon to get a leg up on the other schools.
AGRIPPA is right in that the state mandates it. But that’s the problem. Other ways have been proposed, and been rejected. U of O has tried for 20+ years to work within the system to get the state to move out of mediocrity, but the OUS, the legislature and the Gov are incapable of doing so.
It really sucks. But can’t do much about it. Those that try are immediately beheaded.
"the putz from that UO blog, Matt Daddy" - Steve Tannen
The Daily Faberian
congratulations on the win
MD- congratulations to UO on the win tonight.
Have fun at the Rose Bowl.
Yeah, I do "get it"
Follow the links in the original write up; everything you’re talking about is there, I also read several more interesting bits that may have been repetitive. Bottom line is I understand perfectly the OUS’s position and OU’s position and the complications that arise when members of one branch of a family become more prosperous than the rest.
The OUS tries to keep labor peace by distributing resources democratically, regardless of merit. So yes, it’s all about politics, turf wars, jealousy and who gets what. PK’s omnipresent largesse towards OU has caused resentment among other members of the OUS, add Bellotti’s millons, Chip Kelly’s millions, $5 Million in private money for OU salaries, PK’s $300 Million for OU football, and they got squat because of the budget crunch. Like it or not, Oregon set up this “democratic” system so everyone stays equal, even if it means dumbing down the standard.
The system in demands that donors “spread the wealth around” if they want to improve faculty pay. If on the other hand, donors are more or less free to pay for buildings, stadiums, fields, contract buy outs and even endow some academic chairs.
You would like to see OU improve it’s ranking, you want top professors and you would like to recruit elite out of state students instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel from California high schools. It’s going to be much more difficult than winning at football, but OU could start by asking donors to put their cash in the school’s endowment, it is the only way for OU to eventually gain academic respectability and measure of independence from the OUS. More Nike shit on campus isn’t going to get you there.
Congratulations on beating Ucla on the football field, but for now you guys can carry their jock straps on the academic side. We will welcome the Ducks to LA and the Rose Bowl with open arms, make sure not to miss the Rose Parade, in some ways it is just as worthwhile as The Game.
Larry Scott is a spineless, candy ass, limp wristed, silver spoon sucking, tits and ass tennis show pimping, Champagne swilling, rich asshole "Haavahd" tennis player from New York City with ZERO HISTORY OF KNOWING OR CARING A WHIT ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND EVEN LESS ABOUT PAC-10* FOOTBALL.
U feeling Loco?
Home Run Post!
Most Duck fans seem to think we see only the football side of things…of course we do, it stands out like a sore thumb.
But, if we can see the disproportionate giving by Knight why can’t they?
I actually have no problem with Knight giving HIS money to UO but if you have a bureaucracy in place which you then skirt around, those people in power will take action.
Want to fix it? Then get rid of the OUS, seems to me that the only way to fix this is at the ballot box…not likely in that left of center environment.
The Gov’t machine in the Pacific Northwest makes the Peoples Republic of Berkley look conservative
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Yah that is sad
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 3, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
You would think with two of the most successful companies in Microsoft and Nike the Oregon Education system would prosper.
Maybe there is a misuse of funds that Bill and Phil don’t make donations to the system.
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 3, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
So.cal
Microsoft is in Redmond, Washington
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
oh shoot didn't gates live in oregon
Yes we can't play in a Bowl and that is lucky for the rest of College FB' but next year we at USC will dominate.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 3, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
On a side note
in 1880 our campus was in West Los Angeles
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
yes what was then west LA......
but then the area of the campus east of where Hoover Ave was to Expo Blvd…. was in the original borders of the ‘pueblo’ - Hoover is where the west border was….
by trojanarchitect on Dec 2, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
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