USC First Look: Cal
Earlier this year our friends at CGB wrote a post about the possibility of Cal finally breaking through and beating USC this year...(emphasis added)
The sanctions will eventually put a hurt on 'sc's ridiculous depth. They might have to bring 4 star RBs off the bench instead of consensus HS AA's. Oh. The inhumanity. But for the immediate future, as great as our recent recruiting classes have been, keep in mind that 'sc has still been signing the cream of the crop. For every MikeyMo diamond in the rough that we discover, they've signed guys listed as the best or top 10 nationally at their position.So from a talent perspective, we can't expect to just line up and have our way with them. It'll come down to scheme. And execution. And morale. Someone has got to command the locker room and just say, "Eff this. We're going to kick some *ss today." More importantly, someone has to command the sidelines when adversity hits to keep us in the game. It's going to have to be one of the guys, because our coaching staff just doesn't seem to be wired that way.If it's just a question of coaching chops, give me Tedford over Kiffin any day of the week, and twice on Saturday. Unfortunately, this is a QB driven league and it's really hard to pick a transfer in his first season of Pac-12 ball over an experienced upperclassman
Given what I saw last Thursday night I am curious if the Cal faithful want to rethink the passage in bold.
Tedford may have more head coaching experience but the results have hardly been a cut above the rest. I am not ready to say that Kiffin would blow Tedford away, but so far Kiffin is 1-0 against Tedford. Tedford has a pretty good record at recruiting talent...except for the QB spot. Tedford has has some great production in the past from his skill players and some of the guys on the lines, but the guys running the offense haven't exactly been world beaters.
Kiffin may be the new kid on the block to Tedford's wise, old, experienced curmudgeon, but the results between the two over the past two seasons are pretty much the same.
Kiffin sees some similarities...
He clearly found it hard not to draw similarities -- tacitly, of course -- to USC's own 53-32 loss to the Ducks last season at the Coliseum, when the Trojans led 17-15 in the second quarter and 32-29 in the third before the roof caved in on them late.
"I thought they played great through the half and into the third quarter," Kiffin said of Jeff Tedford's Bears, who led 15-14 at halftime. "Obviously a tough environment to play versus a very explosive offense and what happened is what happens in most Oregon games over the last couple years.
"Somehow Oregon gets stronger as the game goes in the second half, especially on defense. As you go back to last year, so few points given up in the fourth quarter on defense. They do a great job. And they've done a great job at recruiting depth so they play a bunch of players. If you start taking off their reps, they get a ton of guys in their on offense and on defense and so obviously that contributes to what they're able to do late in the third and the fourth quarter."
I'll worry about Oregon in a month, but for now Kiffin needs to find a way to beat Cal in San Francisco.
Some would give Kiffin a pass, not many though...but Tedford should get no such pass. He's been there a while. His fingerprints are all over this team.
Thursday night's game against Oregon left me with some questions. Oregon took a hit on defense this year, yet this years Oregon defense shut Cal out in the second half. Whose feet do the Cal faithful do they lay that performance at?
What about Cal's missed red zone opportunities? Cal has the same issues that USC has in the red zone...difficulty scoring TD's. Settling for FG's instead of TD's against any quality team draws concern...against Oregon you might as well raise the white flag. Still, Cal had the lead to start the 2nd half...that didn't last long.
Even USC's sieve of a defense last year put the clamps on Cal at the Coliseum. I wonder how this weeks upcoming game will looks to non-interested parties?
This was supposed to be the year that Cal took it to the next level. They certainly recruited well, Tosh Lupoi has been ringing the bell pretty hard to show why he is one of the best recruiters in the Pac-12, yet the results so far this year aren't there. Cal's record doesn't help matters...their two losses are against conference foes UW and UO while their three wins have been against a woefully inept CU and a couple of tackling dummies in Presby (FCS) and Fresno St.
This supposed to be the year that Maynard and Allen would be the next big Cal tandem...we have seen a little of it but not as much as I am sure Cal fans would like.
Tedford's utilization of Maynard is contradictory to his comments earlier this year...
"He has the ability to both throw and run the ball effectively, giving us another dimension at that position that we haven’t had in a while."
Yet, Tedford and staff have yet to use Maynard's mobility as a weapon...and no one is sure as to why.
Maynard went out of the Oregon game with a neck injury so his status as of right now for the USC game is up in the air.
Cal's defense is young...just like USC's, so it should not have surprised anyone that Oregon looked to exploit their youth. Kiffin will look to do the same and vice-versa with Tedford trying to exploit Monte.
Cal's youth on defense is also their strength as those young players looks to be the best at those positions.
It should be an interesting short week.
We will have a Q&A later this week with CGB
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This was supposed to be the year that Cal took it to the next level.
There aren’t many Cal fans with these high of expectations, unless by “next level” you mean something better than that agonizing late-season stretch when Brock Mansion was our QB. All year we have expected Cal to be a 6-6 or 7-5 team. While we have recruited well, we only started bringing in stellar classes in 2010 and 2011. Prior to that we had a lull in recruiting partially due to the tree-sitter fiasco which was delaying construction of the new facilities. While we have some great, young talent on the D, most are still learning the ropes (how many times did Oregon burn our freshman OLBs?).
The new QB, lots of young talent on defense, several “new” assistant coaches on offense…the pieces simply have not yet come together, nor should we expect them to this year. Next year is the year we are supposed to take it to the next level. If not, Tedford’s seat will be heating up considerably.
Maynard went out of the Oregon game with a neck injury so his status as of right now for the USC game is up in the air.
No one mentioned the injury after the game and Maynard was practicing today, so it appears to be a non-issue.
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I'm not sure why
there haven’t been more bootlegs/rollouts/options for Maynard. Could it be that he has such a hard time throwing accurately/making reads with his feet set that they don’t yet trust him throwing/running out of the pocket? To my knowledge that question hasn’t been posed to Tedford.
I think you are right that expectations heading into the season and following the 3-0 start — new QB, Tedford more involved in offense — may have not scaled with evidence, but I fear the gargantuous disparity between Cal’s QB and its opponents QB will be on display for the nation to see for the second consecutive week on ESPN Thursday. I thought, despite evident flaws in the defense and O-Line, as last year, the difference is in the QB position for Cal. And of course, against USC, I think the Barkley/Maynard contrast will be the most significant difference in the game. In other words, I suspect it will be the difference between playing a close game and getting blown out at home. Cal won’t be able to seriously talk about getting over the hump with USC, or anybody else for that matter, until Tedford finds/grooms a good QB.
Hard to really disagree with most of what you say, except this:
This was supposed to be the year that Cal took it to the next level.
I have to wonder where on earth you got that from, because it certainly wasn’t from Cal fans. Nobody in Golden Bear land thought 2011 was going to be the year we moved up. Unless you call going above .500 taking it to the next level. If anything, Cal fans as a group thought that while there was a chance the team could get 8 wins, this was the year we built a foundation. Take it to the next level? Um, nope.
I mean, we’re not deluded bruin fans. We all basically knew this was a rebuild year: new QB, young defense, young running backs, rebuilding OL … Sure, there was good recruiting over the last two years, but those players are only now seeing the field, and have to gain some meaningful experience before they start to really show their stuff.
As far as Tedford and how Cal fans see his coaching, I think while the shine may have worn off, we’re willing to allow him this year to rebuild without being too critical. At least reasonable Cal fans are. There is a contingent of Cal fans that seem to have a lot in common with Uclol fans and are calling for his head. But for the most part, we still do have faith in Tedford as the guy. And considering that Tedford is in rebuild mode, while Kiffin seems to be slowly eroding the talent of a pretty-well stocked team, I’d say most Cal fans would still take Tedford over Kiffin without second guessing.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
Allen looks like a good WR
It’s a shame you have no QB to get him the ball (or more accurately, to get the rest of the team the ball to open up the field for him).
Do you guys have anyone waiting in the wings?
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
Allen Bridgford is the #2 QB. He supposedly has “all the tools” but during the spring competition he didn’t show enough understanding of the offense. Still, from all indications, if needed he’d likely be able to come in without significant dropoff in productivity. In fact, from the brief appearances, it may be that he has higher accuracy than Maynard, if not as much sitational awareness.
For the future things also look pretty good. Austin Hinder is more than likely the next starting QB (after Bridgford), though there’s a lot of hope on incoming commit Zach Kline.
Overall, though, I think the slam on Tedford re: QBs is a bit unfounded. The last QB he actually mentored was Nate Longshore, who was a good QB that unfortunately got hurt and was never able to recover his mechanics. For the last few years Tedford gave up QB coaching and the drop-off in production was pretty evident. This year he has gone back to a hands-on role in developing the QB, so how Maynard progresses will be important to watch. The good: no interceptions in the last two games, and overall good decision-making. The bad: poor accuracy and inconsistent mechanics.
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Kiffin seems to be slowly eroding the talent of a pretty-well stocked team
Oh come on, that’s not fair – his dad’s helping out!
BTW, first person to hire Kiffin as a coach in any capacity? Jeff Tedford. That’s right, he set this loose on the college football world.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
BTW, first person to hire Kiffin as a coach in any capacity? Jeff Tedford. That’s right, he set this loose on the college football world.
You’ve uncovered the Cal master plan to destroy USC football! Kiffin is almost a Manchurian Candidate. By carefully manipulating Al Davis, Tennessee, and both Pat Haden and Mike Garrett, started a very intricate and delicate set of events resulting in Kiffen now destroying a program without consciously realizing it.
Pure genius, no?
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
and he was incubated where no one could disturb him in
Fresno; a vacuum condition.
I stand by the assertion that Lane is a good coach
Monte appears to have let the game pass him by though.
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
All right, to be fair
The offensive play selections against Arizona were much better. I think Kiffin’s actually probably got the chops to be a really good offensive coordinator and he’s a fantastic recruiter… but adding in head coach responsibilities might be a lot to chew still in the medium term.
Still, there’s no question that he’s working his ass off. And it’s not like he gave himself the job.
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Glad we're on the same page
Otherwise i’d need to whip out a snarky remark.
Fight On! Beat everybody but us!
I mean, we’re not deluded bruin fans
Yes…never thought that.
We all basically knew this was a rebuild year: new QB, young defense, young running backs, rebuilding OL … Sure, there was good recruiting over the last two years, but those players are only now seeing the field, and have to gain some meaningful experience before they start to really show their stuff.
Its been a while but I seem to remember reading comments on a couple Cal sites that Maynard would be an improvement and that recruiting as well as you guys have would start to pay off this year. ‘SC did it for years with their recruiting, I see no reason why Cal couldn’t…they have stocked up well.
If not, then who does that fall on? The guy you would take without second guessing? He has been there a while and he still hasn’t turned that corner…I thought he might this year but I guess I am wrong based on the comment I am reading now.
Anyway, just my observations based on some reading a number of months ago…
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Cal's Conference Crown?
Wake me when Cal wins the Pac-10, er, Pac-12 crown. Zzzz.
As for ripping Lane Kiffin’s skills as a recruiter, I’d say he’s done a pretty nice job, especially in light of how the NCAA royally screwed ‘SC with that nouveau shoulda-known/LOIC precedent. Now, does that mean he’s the next John McKay? Certainly not — nor am I sold on this experiment of having his dad run the defense.
Wishlist Item: John Wayne's boogieboard from his USC football days. :-P
by Glenn X on Oct 10, 2011 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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