Closing the Book on Stanford
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You have to agree that this game is an instant classic!
How many times has it been said...this game was a tale of two half's. When this game when to halftime the score was 10-6 Stanford.
Then the flood gates opened in the second half...
Lets discuss the last play in regulation first, because that sequence of events is going to get a lot of attention.
With nine seconds left in regulation and the game tied at 34, Matt Barkley hit sophomore Robert Woods on a screen pass at the 40-yard line and near the right sideline. With time ticking away, Woods ran clear across the field and went down at around the 33 as the clock hit double zeros. And then all confusing hell broke loose.
Woods’ knee appeared to hit the Coliseum turf inbounds and with one second left; Trojans head coach Lane Kiffin claimed he told officials prior to the play that he wanted to call a timeout if there was still time left on the clock, which would’ve given USC a shot at a 50-yard or so field goal for the win. Upon further review, the officials ruled that Woods did not get out of bounds but time had expired before a timeout was called, sending the game into the first of what would be three overtimes.
The most obvious issue with this play was that the controversy would not have happened had Robert Woods went up field and took a knee instead of trying to get out bounds.
The question here is simple...how did Kiffin prepare his team for this situation? Did they know that they had time outs to burn? Were the players aware that all they needed to do was to get as close to the goal line as possible, keeping the ball in the center of field while not running out the clock?
As unfortunate as Woods actions were I can't be down on him. He has played flawlessly this season. Players make mistakes, it happens. But I do want to make sure that the players were prepped for this scenario. That is on Kiffin and the staff, he has taken some hits for his time mismanagement in the past.
Kiffin stated his case above.
Here is the officials side of the story...
"The ruling on the field was that we were going to overtime. Through review, it was seen that the knee was down and time had expired and therefore we were headed to an overtime period," head referee Michael Batlan said. "Any coach can ask for a timeout but he doesn’t get one until an official grants or signifies it. I was not part of any conversation with regards to a requested timeout."
Hmmm...
Maybe Batlan wasn't part of the discussion but by Kiffin's account one of the members of his crew did have the discussion. Shouldn't that hold some measure of credibility?
Batlan has been a bit of a bonehead before...
FROM THE SIDELINES
• UW reserve defensive end Louis Nzegwu was called for roughing the punter in the third quarter, giving the Seminoles a first down at their 47. TV replays showed that Nzegwu never touched punter Gano.
• Referee Michael Batlan, who called the penalty on Nzegwu, looked a bit foolish earlier after the replay official overturned a Florida State fumble early in the third quarter. After Batlan announced the play had been overturned because the knee of Florida State wide receiver Bert Reed was down before he lost the ball, he had to go back review the play again.
Why? To determine that it was second down.
Once again, inconsistent officiating changes the outcome of the game.
So much fixing the officiating ills that plague the Pac-12.
Obviously this game could have been won in a number of areas, not just on that last play, but this one does stand out if you believe Kiffin. If it is true that Kiffin did call a standing time out before the play began, it's unconscionable that the official that Kiffin made the request to didn't step forward and tell Batlan that Kiffin requested a time out.
Only a replay of the sidelines, before that play went off, would show if Kiffin had indeed been speaking with an official before the play began.
Spilt milk at this point.
But fair or not, Kiffin's time management will continue to be scrutinized...
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Curtis McNeal's 61-yd TD run puts Stanford behind for first time this season.
How can you not be thrilled to see this kid step up? Yes, he did fumble on the final play that sealed the win for Stanford, but you take the good with the bad, and with Mark Tyler graduating after this season someone needs to pick up the load...McNeal looks to be that guy and what a game he had.
Before his fumble in the end zone ended the game, USC tailback Curtis McNeal was the offensive star Saturday night for the Trojans as he rushed for a career-high 142 yards and two touchdowns.
It was the second consecutive week he broke the 100-yard barrier as the diminutive sophomore filled in for the injured Marc Tyler.
McNeal electrified the crowd with a 61-yard touchdown run in the third quarter and followed that with a 25-yard scoring run.
"It hurts right now because we were so close that we had it," USC quarterback Matt Barkley said. "But you can't put it on Curtis.
With McNeal having such a great game, I find it hard to believe that Kiffin will punish him for that fumble.
McNeal offers up his thoughts...
McNeal has now led the Trojans in rushing in five of their eight games, and he was incredibly effective against a tough Cardinal defense on Saturday. But he will, of course, go down as the goat for how the game ended.
And he understood that.
"There's no excuse, I just fumbled," he said after the game. "You've gotta hold on to the ball in that moment, in the third overtime and everything."
Kiffin has talked time and time again this season about McNeal's transformation from a player nicknamed "Moody" for his surliness to one of the quiet, understated leaders of the 2011 Trojans. He displayed the maturation after the game in a remarkable comment considering the circumstances.
"I feel like beating myself up but I just gotta keep my head up and keep pushing," McNeal said. "I'm going to face worse things in life. I just have to keep my head up."
McNeal just needs to keep focused as his role becomes more and more prominent.
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Perusing the various sites and boards I am finding pretty much the same vibe...
Most are proud of how the team performed in this game even with the loss. It's not hard to see why, as many in the press and punditry didn't give USC much of a chance.
Some think USC may be on the cusp, but it is still too early to know until the full effect of the scholarship reductions take affect. You have to be optimistic about the future though. Some continue to not be impressed. While others continue to whine and complain...
Like I said last night, USC hung with the big boys...call it a cliche'.
Unfortunately, the problem with that statement though is that it gives the perception that we aren't one of the big boys.
Props to Stanford for the win. Andrew Luck is very good QB who will very well at the next level, but...
Stanford still isn't close to what USC is in football. We all agree that Stanford has been riding the hot hand the past few years but the Farm hasn't exactly been in the national discussion consistently over the past couple of decades.
USC has always had a bit of a rivalry with Stanford, that goes all the way back to John McKay. The few contests may not have been great football from the USC perspective but when USC was in the hunt for BCS titles Stanford was no where to be found. Even after the end of the Bush/Leinart era USC was still in the discussion.
USC is still relevant even if there is a bit of nation fatigue of USC.
I saw on Twitter last night (Canzano?) that Stanford's effort last night showed that they aren't all that and that Oregon is better. We'll see, too bad that they both can't lose when they play. But while its not a given that Stanford will win (or lose depending on who you root for) against the Ducks, I do know this. Stanford WILL NOT beat LSU or Alabama if they are lucky enough to get to the tile game...I am not even sure they could beat OK St. The Stanford defense has some issues...Issues that will be exploited by UA or LSU.
There is still a lot of football to play and as we have seen anything can happen.
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Some other links...
Stanford shows it vulnerable side, but makes it out of USC very much alive - Dr. Saturday
USC continues to fight on despite sanctions - ESPN Los Angeles (Markazi)
USC upset bid falters against Stanford in third overtime - latimes.com
Stanford needed good Luck to win - The Orange County Register (Whicker)
Stanford 56, USC 48: Rapid reaction - ESPN Los Angeles
Stanford 56, USC 48 (final, 3 overtimes) - latimes.com
USC played No. 4 Stanford even. The Trojans forced the high-powered Cardinal into triple overtime and appeared on the verge of sending the game into a fourth extra period. That’s when it all went bad for the Trojans.
Grades: Stanford-USC - ESPN Los Angeles
5 observations: Stanford 56, USC 48 (3OT) - USC : The Orange County Register
I could’ve written 50 observations on Saturday night’s epic battle between USC and Stanford.
USC FOOTBALL: Trojans run out of luck in third overtime, fall to Stanford 56-48 - LA Daily News
USC and Stanford played a game for the ages on Saturday with a triple-overtime finish that preserved the Cardinals national title hopes and denied Trojans coach Lane Kiffin the biggest victory of his career.
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Is the glass half full or half empty?
The ‘Truth’ is… it’s both. Last night’s Stanford game was indeed a classic. Not the ending that I and most Trojans alums/fans wanted but the overall story was great… if not brilliant. What did we learn? For USC to return to the USC we know it can be, the defense remains the key and will have to get much better and deepter than it is now. Also, this same unit plays much better now than it did earlier this year and certainly last. As we all saw against a good team and QB, it could not defend a lead with three minutes to play in regulation and seemed helpless in overtime. We also learned what we already knew… that Andrew Luck joins that rare group of Stanford quarterbacks who come along once in a gereration. We’ll all see him on Sundays and in a Super Bowl or two as well. Without Luck… USC wins this game easilty. We won’t see Luck next year… and if Barkley doesn’t bolt for the NFL… I’ll pick the Trojans right now. We also learned who the starting tailback should be for USC. Curtis McNeall. Problem is there seems to be no one else to help out. It’s just him and the so the running game suffers. Dillon Baxter’s moment has arrived but unfortunately without Dillon Baxter. USC, with those sanctions, simply can’t get it wrong like this again. We also learned that Lane Kiffin is up to the job. Take those sanction shackles off his program and just watch what he can do. The future despite this loss seems a lot brighter than it was just a few weeks ago. Kiffin still has a shot at a 9-3 season. Sorry folks, still think Oregon is the next loss but even so 9 wins would get the Trojans into a solid post season bowl game…. if, of course, it weren’t for those sanctions. Speaking of which, they’ll still be around for the next three years. But I think Kiffin CAN coach and recruit… moments like last night will come again and again… and some if not all with much better endings.
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If DBax can find his huevos,
there’s a spot on this team for him. He should take ownership of a little piece of yesterday"s loss because his lack of maturity left us with only one serviceable running back. Own up kid, you’ve screwed up enough but there is still time for you to be a man. FIGHT ON AND EARN IT!
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Pac-12 officials please Mexican Cartel come and manage them.
Is Oregon really a state now?
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 30, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
A few opinions...
1) Woody was running laterally on the 35. He did not turn up field until he neared the sideline. So, had he taken a knee, we prolly miss a 52-53 yard FG.
2) Luck is 1 million times better than the LSU or Bama QBs. I think you underestimate Furd. I predict they win out and claim a crystal ball. Luck is virtually unbeatable.
3) Furd and USC both knock off the Ducks.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
not comparing QB's
The Alabama and LSU defenses would shred Stanford
Luck would get his plays but not like he is used to. Those two defenses are monsters. Stanford’s receiver aren’t the best in the league and I think they would struggle to make plays against Bama and LSU.
I think Stanford was exposed a bit last night….go look at the teams they have played not exactly like what USC has played in the past
They are beatable against a more experienced team
If SC almost beat them with our youth I wonder what we would do if our current players were more experienced
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by Paragon SC on Oct 30, 2011 3:03 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I completely agree with this assesment
Stanford would do very well in the Big-10, not the SEC. Not a ton of team speed on defense
Disagree
The Furd offense will present matchup problems for anyone, even LSU and Bama. And, the Furd defense is very good.
We may actually be able to test this debate in the BCS game.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
We will never know...Stanford won't make the title game
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Yup, the fix is in.
If OK St. falls they’d sooner have an all SEC Championship Game than invite the Pac-12
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I will clarify it
No way Stanford runs on Bama or LSU
Luck could make some plays, but his receivers are average…not elite They would have some issues with the Bama secondary maybe not as much with LSU but they would be more one dimensional.
Those tow defenses would take away their TE’s as well.
Of course anything can happen but those defenses are pretty complete…
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You can't take away 3 6'6 TEs in CFB
I think they will make the title game. Ok St will lose to OU.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Have you watched LSU play defense this year?
It’s like watching a pack of starving wolves stumble upon a sheep ranch……they are the one team in college football that makes defense fun to watch.
Yes, great defense
but, inept offense. And, Andrew Luck is no Darron Thomas. And, Traylor and Gaffney are not fumbling machines like Black Mamba was against LSU.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Luv to see it though...
Doubt Stanford gets to the title game… BCS/sec bias will see to that. Still, I hope they do. I’d love to see Luck go against either the Alabama or LSU defense or shoot it out with Oklhoma State. Especially if he wins the Heisman. I thought Stanford’s defense looked a bit slow and they were hardly a ‘lock-down’ unit against SC. So, after last night it might not be the game all thought it could be a week ago. Still, if Stanford can run the table I think they deserve a shot. But again, with the BCS everything west of the Mississippi fades to black.
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One more
USC lost the game by not putting it in the end zone in the 1st half, and not scoring in “winning time”…..did not score on last 4 of 5 possessions in regulation, including 3 punts, 2 three and outs, one four and out. The Furd defense controlled us late, while Luck became unstoppable other than his pick.
Furd was the veteran team w/ the best player, and the better team beat the younger, thinner, less experienced team. Fair and square.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
The refs did steal one if not two from us.
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by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 30, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s face it, the conference wanted Satanfurd to win.
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by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 30, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the worst cases of clock management
We get the ball with 33 seconds left in regulation and all 3 timeouts. The clock never should have run out with us sitting on 2 unused timeouts. You can’t blame Woods for that.
Exactly, clock management doesn't seem to be in Lanes vocabulary
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by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 30, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
The last play was on the refs, Lane called the TO. Woods could have turned up between the hash marks and there would have been 3-4 seconds, but the TO was called SC got screwed.
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
Right
And, had Woody gone down earlier, it would have been about a 55 yd FG. I rewatched the last minute, and the only time Lane should have used a TO was after our first completion. But, it was for a 1st down, so the clock stopped. However, it took Matt 3 secs to call the play at the line. He should have quick snapped. Even Herbie mentioned that MB7 was taking too long in to call and execute plays.
Also, the incomplete pass where they reviewed the clock and rewound it to 19 secs, should have actually been rewound to 20 secs. The ball clearly landed out of bounds with 20 secs left.
At the end of the day, we were looking at a +50 yd FG. I don’t blame the coaches for losing the game on this series. Plenty of issues all around – Barkley, refs, etc.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Have to agree on clock management
I’ve taken issues with LK’s clock management issues before, I will do it again. Lane needs to sit down and go through a strategy / math / probabilities class or something. While he called a good game, once again, we lost to Stanford because of the clock management issues.
That said, I still see a much improved team that is playing its heart our. Lets hope they keep it up
When should he have called a TO?
I only saw 1 opportunity to save time, and that was after the 1st completion. Yet, the clock stopped for the 1st down. Matt wasted 3 secs calling the play at the line. Even if we had those 3 secs back, we are still attempting a +50 yd FG.
I think it’s a bit harsh to say that clock mgmt cost us the game. Not scoring on 4 of our final 5 possessions in regulation is what cost us the game, IMO.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
We will never know...
but the question is more how was the final sequence set up. Whose responsibility is it to make sure that Woods knows what to do.
Less about clock mgt than it is about game mgt.
It happens…but sometimes it happens a bit too much with LK.
Don’t disagree on the 55-yard FG but I would take that chance…nothing to lose there. Hit it and ’SC wins…miss it and we go to OT.
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Heidary showed he had the distance on the 50-yarder too
Horribly hard and horrid kick to try and make, but dude as the leg and nuts.
Rivalry
I think this rivalry is over for awhile. Whether Barkley stays or goes – and I hope he stays, the line is getting better and it’d be nice if he could enjoy it – I’ll take Kiffen – or the Kiffens – against a Luck-less David Shaw.

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