The Ohio State Investigation: Daniel Herron and DeVier Posey go back for seconds...
by Paragon SC on Oct 3, 2011 5:28 PM PDT
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PrintNews broke earlier today that a couple of players who were suspended in the memorabilia-for-tatoo's incident in December were also involved in what could be called a pay for a "no show" job scheme in March of this year.
Last year's leading rusher, Daniel Herron, and the top returning receiver, DeVier Posey, along with offensive lineman Marcus Hall will not be permitted to play when the Buckeyes play at No. 14 Nebraska on Saturday.
Athletic director Gene Smith insisted at a Monday afternoon news conference that there was no "systemic" problem at Ohio State, which has admitted to having several players involved in different NCAA violations over the past 10 months.
He blamed it all on the athletes, former coach Jim Tressel and a booster who on Monday was banned from further contact with the Buckeyes.
"These failures are individual failures: failures of individual athletes, and as you know unfortunately a previous coach, and a booster," Smith said when asked if the latest violations will lead to more serious charges of lack of institutional control and failure to monitor from the NCAA. "So it's not a systemic failure of compliance. I'm optimistic and I'm confident that we will not have those charges."
I have to admit that I was pretty surprised when this story broke earlier today.
It is pretty clear that these guys could not care less about the rules. I mean they are already suspended and take money for a no show job?
As if that is not enough, Ohio State AD Gene Smith still says there is nothing is amiss...that there is nothing systemic in this current crop of violations.
From Smith's Statement (via Doc. Sat.)
"We're fortunate and optimistic that as we move forward with our broader case that there's no additional allegations to share, and optimistic that failure to monitor and lack of institutional control is not an allegation that will emerge.
[…]
"These failures are individual failures. Failures of individual athletes [and] as you know, unfortunately, an individual coach, and a booster. So it's not a systemic failure of compliance. … These were individual decisions by individual people. Were there lessons learned for us? No question. ... But at the end of the day, individual decisions were made to go off the reservation."
Sure they are individual failures.
But tOSU touting the largest compliance dept. in all of CFB we see that once again someone is asleep at the switch.
More perplexing is that this all happened at the hands of a booster...you know someone that the school should keep tabs on, someone who had access.
If I have said it once, I have said it a million times...this is not about Ohio State, it is about the NCAA being consistent. Ohio State (along with UNC, Miami, Ga. Tech anf UO) is simply the vehicle to see if the NCAA will be consistent.
Tressel was the university as much as the players are...and the players parents as well.
The NCAA looks bad here because it would appear that they rushed the investigation to get to the COI when there were a number of other unresolved issues. Now, they have delay their findings to investigate this.
Don't tell me that all is well with the car situation or that there were no other issues related to Tat-Gate. The NCAA barely looked at those things before going to the COI.
Even more embarrassing is how tOSU went through the very gates of hell to get those players cleared to play in the Sugar Bowl.
They gamed the system.
It was always about the money attached to a great match-up...eyes on the screens, butt's in the seats. They used the sham that is the BCS to give those players a "Unique Experience". The BCS says out of one side their of their mouth (when they stripped USC's of their crystal ball) that players must be eligible to play in a bowl game and then say nothing about these players who clearly broke the rules...players who then broke them intentionally a second time.
I feel bad for some Ohio St. fans...the ones who realize juts how bad this is. The ones who have actually taken the time to see just how dire things could get as the infractions pile up.
They are the ones who see how selfish these players are, they see just how bad their leadership is in continuing to not take responsibility, to say its not systemic when it clearly is.
Who knows where this ends up. Either way the NCAA looks bad once again...
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I will bet the NCAA
issues a writ of Boys will be Boys, and embarks on a grand campaign to investigate whether or not Lane Kiffin has used an excess of paperclips, as defined by a rule they just made up*
*This rule only applies to schools named USC that are not located in South Carolina. Any findings of lack of institutional control will not apply to any schools located in the following conferences: SEC, Big “12”, Big 10 or ACC.
I've heard from a reliable source that Lane Kiffin will be slapped with a show cause because
he does not believe in “if it’s yellow, let it mellow. If it’s brown, flush it down.”
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
How on earth can you say there's not a systemic problem?
1) conceal problem
2) problem is revealed
3) undertake minor self-sanction
4) tout renewed effort on compliance
5) problem turns out to be worse than originally revealed
6) fire coach, renew claim that compliance is an issue
7) another problem comes to light
8) players are repeat offenders
9) a coach is involved
How on earth can you say that there’s no systemic problem if the players you supposedly counseled screw up again, and a coach is involved, again? Just because it’s a different violation with fewer people involved doesn’t change the fact that the same pattern is emerging.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
This is a comment that I have to fully agree with
There are some tOSU fans who are eloquent in saying that because USC had too few employees staffed in it’s compliance department- that it is specifically because of this supposedly conscious action- is the REAL reason why USC was hit with such severe sanctions. Couple that with OJ Mayo/Coach Floyd issues, these same tOSU fans are of the opinion that USC’s cavalier attitudes towards a level playing field struck at the very heart of amateurism/student-athlete eligibility issues.
Here, over in Columbus, OH- they have the largest compliance department in all the USA . . . . .AND THEY CANNOT (FOR THE LIFE OF ’EM) EDUCATE THESE PLAYERS OR BOOSTERS ANY BETTER???? This is Columbus, Ohio for gosh sakes!!!!
Those cynical tOSU fans who gripe about USC are perfectly allowed to have their own opinions on USC matters, but they aren’t allowed to have their own set of facts. The facts in USC’s case was that we were dealing with a vindictive COI commissioner and an activist ineligible board member (Paul Dee and Nancy Potuto, respectively) and they MADE THEIR ENTIRE JUDGMENT up, about us. Nothing what they wrote about and judged was fair.
Great post DC.
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 4, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It is more likely
that I will be struck by 3 bolts of lightning today.
As I now live in the desert, that should even expand those odds.
... the Fighting Wesleyans
A great comment to an article in yesterday's LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-college-football-notes-20111004,0,3702341.story
stnlong71 at 3:33 AM October 04, 2011
Does Jim Tressel prefer to dress in drag or does he have the noogies to answer the charges of Gene Smith. Is the reasons for his resignation just the tip of the iceberg and he will remain quiet?
How can A.J. Hawk have $16K stolen from his dorm room with Hawk saying he was saving up the money? Isn’t it a normal practice to put legitimate money, of this magnitude, into a bank and not in a sock in a dorm room where it might be stolen?
Why is the said ESPN college guru, Kirk Herbstriet, quite mum on these OS issues? He certainly shot his mouth off about USC. About Boise State and TCU not being qualified for BCS Bowl consideration. Oh, he played at OS. This guy is as phony as most of the stooges and NCAA sycophants on ESPN.
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman
It's not a systemic problem, it's a large network of "unrelated" individual violations
Gene Smith, even a toddler can see through your bullshit.
Exactly -- like Reggie Bush
had something to do with the illicit long distance calls placed by a tennis player.
Will the NCAA follow it's own rule?
The NCAA’s LOIC precedent set in the Reggie Bush fiasco comes home to roost. Assuming the NCAA can or will do the same thing twice… big assumption. Still, if USC can get the sanctions it did based on the ‘Lack Of Institutional Control’ infraction, then The Ohio State University should be in for quite a thumping. The criteria used, at least for USC, was ‘should have known’ and that was based almost exclusively on the highly contested allegations of an extortion motivated ex-con. OSU HAD to know given their head football coach has said he knew… sorry Buckeyes… your head coach qualifies as being an official member of your university. And now even more violations pile on top of the old ones. Seems someone at OSU might want to mind the store more closely…. and that’s exactly what the NCAA said USC needed to do as well. And then handed down those sanctions to provide some motivation. Question is: Can or will the NCAA do the same thing twice?
trojanWar
What amazes me
is that the NCAA allowed Ohio State to divorce itself from the misdeeds of Jim Tressel, their head coach, and USC goes down in flames over the misdeeds of an assistant coach.
The apples and oranges excuse is completely and totally ridiculous. Either admit that you hit USC to hard, or throw the book at Ohio State.
*Alleged misdeeds. Based on a truncated 2 minute phone call, a doctored-up photo and the word of a proven liar and convicted felon
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 6, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Show us just one, undoctored
And I’ll believe what you say. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to think I’m not some “head-in-the-sand” Trojan- it’s just that I don’t have access to what you might have access to, as far as a 100+ photos of McNair, Michaels, and Lake.
Please, just to be sure- I don’t doubt that there exists photos of McNair, Michaels, and Lake- it’s just that I’ve only seen one, . . . supposedly doctored.
I’ll take just one photo at this point, preferably with a time/date stamp. Something to go on, as far as timeline.
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 7, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Where are they? I've only seen 1.
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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
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