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I wanted to to post a few thoughts on on Thursday night's debacle in Tucson, But So. Cal '52 offered up his take and I didn't want to be redundant.

These are two articles on that mess...

Pac-12 suspends 10 players from UCLA-Arizona fight  - The Orange County Register

Embarrassing loss to Arizona magnified UCLA's problems - The L.A. Times

Both pretty much set up where I want to go.

To many, it is a forgone conclusion that Rick Neuheisel will be gone at the end of the season. Hard not see it coming based on his performance...not just this season, but overall.

But, I want to go back to when Slick Rick was hired.

I remember when many UCLA faithful were dancing in the streets when Neuheisel was hired. They down played the negatives at his previous coaching stops while trying to pump up the perceived positives.

There were those who used their lawyer skills to rationalize his NCAA past.You know, how they were only minor violations, the NCAA over reacted, blah blah blah.

They thought they had their answer to Pete Carroll. That was the first and most telling mistake. They so badly wanted to be as good as USC was. They wanted the attention, they wanted to be relevant, they got tired of being ignored.

They so badly wanted these things, that they were willing to overlook the obvious...some outside of the UCLA community said it, like Kyle from Dawg Sports.

Rick Neuheisel is a third-rate con artist with a quick-fix mentality who knows nothing about building a program and whose teams invariably go downhill after the first year or two. He isn't a fairer-haired Steve Spurrier, he's a skinnier Jim Donnan and the last thing in the world we need is for a restored Georgia program to be saddled with the toxic baggage of one of the game's worst ambassadors.

Rick Neuheisel is out of college football. Woe to the program that makes the mistake of bringing him back to the sport that is better off without him. We should bid good riddance to bad rubbish.

While I have had my disagreements with Kyle in the past, he is smarter than me and he nailed this.

I remember when Tim Floyd was hired. Some on the UCLA side used Floyd's past record in saying he would never amount to anything at USC. That's a different discussion, but if those who disliked the Floyd hire used his past record to rationalize a bad hire, then why not turn the scope on Neuheisel in the same fashion?

The fact is, Slick Rick isn't all that.

The negatives were obvious to anyone who could read a won loss record and compare years and players. Neuheisel always seemed to have a better record with other coaches players...only see his record plummet with only his players
 on the roster.

Kind of like now.

The perceived positives were also obvious.

A totally different personality when compared to his predecessor. An infectious personality who could recruit. A change in attitude who many thought could change the culture in L.A.

The prodigal son returns...

Remember all the slobbering ABC/ESPN did when they interviewed Neuheisel at the Rose Bowl in 2008?

Man, that was shameles.

Then there was the monopoly ad in the LAT.

We all saw how that went over...

The fact is, for all the hype, all the noise, all the speeches...Rick Neuheisel hasn't done much. Even some of the UCLA faithful have given up.

I usually support my case with facts but today I am going to write with emotion because that is the way Rick Neuheisel coaches.  When UCLA hired Rick Neuheisel people were burned out from years of Karl Dorrell, not just as a failed coach and bigger failure as a recruiter but as a person with a personality that, to be blunt, did not inspire. 

The Good

By contrast, Rick was a charismatic Hollywood hire.  A guy who went from walk-on to Rose Bowl MVP.  Rick was the only Rose Bowl MVP to also win the Rose Bowl as a coach.  The guy who threw down the gauntlet in his first days as football coach with that famous full page ad (or let himself be part of that effort).

I still go back to the rationalization that many tried to put forth that Slick Rick was The Answer...

It was hilarious to read then...it is sad now.

You get what you pay for.

Every move Neuheisel has made was to be like USC. He never set his own identity.

I never understood that, and yet many UCLA faithful ate it up.

Of course, I could be premature here.

Guerrero may decide to keep Neuheisel...based on some of the comment I have read, if that happens they may go from dancing in the streets to rioting in the streets!

Neuheisel can stay or go, I don't care. But with all that I have read since Thursdays implosion it brought me back to when he was hired.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.

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Pete Carroll thought he was a sham of a coach

Colorado and Washington peeked in year 2 and went to crap in year 3 and 4, then Rick got in trouble at both of those institutions.

Rick was focused on USC from the beginning. He hired Norm Chow because of his obsession with competing at USC’s level. He didn’t even consider the bad chemistry that could occur between 2 offensive minded coaches with different philosophies.

The man is not a good coach. Dorrell was better, and Dorrell sucked.

by frak on Oct 23, 2011 10:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Good work Paragon. Every rational Bruins fan should agree with your take.

As for Dorrell, he was indeed an unfinished product. He was thrown in half-baked to clean up an undisciplined program and compete with one of the most successful coaches of the modern era, all on a shoestring budget. The task was impossible.

Having met KD, I firmly believe the man was capable of learning and ultimately of inspiring. The combination of Dorrell, Chow and Walker could have been deadly, and it would have happened had it not been for the wild rantings of the BN-Dumpdorell.com lynch mob. At worst, these brawling episodes never would have happened on his watch.

In the end, the only real mistake Karl made was accepting the ucla job. These days he’s probably smiling, a lot.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 23, 2011 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

They should have kept Karl and Dewayne

Stupid Bruins.

A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Oct 24, 2011 9:44 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

*Stupid BN

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 24, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep those BNers are not to FB savoy

I guess at this point they are ready for bRuin basketball, like they are going to win it all again——Dumb bRuins to many teams in mix to do that.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, in basketball we actually have a guy who can coach, who has proven he can coach, unlike in football

and who has a team with a fair degree of talent. We may not win the conference, but barring injury I don’t see how we don’t contend for the conference title. UCLA should make the NCAA torunament and has the horses to go to the Sweet 16, possibly further. Not sure where you’re coming from with this take-UCLA is certainly a pac-12 title contender this year and if Josh Smith hangs around next year, UCLA will absolutely be a title contender.

by ucladj89 on Oct 25, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have just as much or more talent, plus our center will stifle yours.

Yes Ben is a great coach but can’t seem to win the big one, kind of like he played Defense—-Reaching and slapping my wrist as I went by his but.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

These two cats only know how to win and along with Woods have brought that attitude back to USC.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats on having as much or more talent than UCLA

but you won’t contend for anything but an NIT berth with no PG…O’Neill still isn’t anything more than a mediocrity and whatever your center is, right now he’s just a JUCO transfer who never played at a top conference level-he may do well but he won’t stifle anyone for a while and isn’t going to stifle an all pac-10 center like Josh Smith.

by ucladj89 on Oct 25, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHATEVER


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alexis Moore----Best PG in LA--Put that in your bRuin Pipe and smoke-it oh and we will dominate your tennis programs too

Just get used to it USC has is now ahead in academics too --Whats a Baby Bear To DO—maybe go eat some porridge. Oh and have fun playing your home games in the place that we left behind.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2011 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Settle down old man

“Fontan’s injury means USC will have lost the entire starting five with which it ended last season. Sophomore guard Maurice Jones started 25 of 34 games but became the team’s sixth man at the end of the year.”

Alexis Moore is a freshman-maybe he is the best PG in LA, but he could be Magic Johnson and with no starters back from last year USC is probably not going to be very good and certainly not a league title contender. Dedmon may turn out to be another Alcindor, but the odds are against even being another Alex Stepheson-he had no ranking out of high school that I could find and then I read this:

“Dedmon came to the Trojans from Antelope Valley College, enrolling in January and spending the rest of the season practicing against big men Nikola Vucevic and Alex Stepheson. His background in the game is limited because his mother opposed participating in interscholastic athletics on religious grounds. Dedmon began competing after he turned 18.” Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-10-12/uscs-dewayne-dedmon-breaks-bone-in-right-hand#ixzz1bthXWJlR

So your take that USC has more talent than UCLA is based in large part on the fact that USC has a 3-star freshman PG and a 7-footer with less than one year of organized basketball under his belt? Dedmon didn’t even average double digits in either scoring or boards at Antelope Valley! USC has no starters back from what was barely, barely, an NCAA team last year. You lost Kid Euro. You still have Kevin O’Neill coaching. USC has some talent but will likely struggle just to finish .500.

by ucladj89 on Oct 26, 2011 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well Little Boy we shall see---and you apparently don't know to much about BB

Have your Baby bRuins and like I said get use to being on the bottom of LA


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I know enough to see you remain a doddering old buffoon

incapable of making a cogent argument . Yeah, it’s tough getting used to being on the bottom of LA in basketball-how did USC fare last year, so far ahead of all those gutless wonders from Westwood? USC hasn’t won a regular season conference title since 1985.

FINAL REGULAR SEASON STANDINGS
(overall records updated through games played on 3/16/2011)
 PAC-10 TEAM CONFERENCE RECORD/ OVERALL RECORD

 ARIZONA WILDCATS (NCAA) 14-4 30-8
 UCLA BRUINS (
NCAA) 13-5 23-11
 WASHINGTON HUSKIES (NCAA) 11-7 24-11
 USC TROJANS (
NCAA) 10-8 19-15
 CALIFORNIA BEARS (NIT) 10-8 18-14
 WASHINGTON STATE COUGARS (
NIT) 9-9 22-12
 STANFORD CARDINAL 7-11 15-16
 OREGON DUCKS (*CBI) 7-11 21-18
 OREGON STATE BEAVERS 5-13 11-20
 ARIZONA STATE SUN DEVILS 4-14 12-19

And let’s take a look at USC’s proud basketball heritage
National tites-0
Final Fours-2 (last one in 1954)
Conference titles- 14 (eight shared)
20-win seasons- ?
30-win seasons -0
Winning seasons — ?
.500 or better — ?
NCAA tourney bids — 16

Looking at UCLA

National titles — 11
Final Fours — 18
Conference titles — 30
20-win seasons — 44
30-win seasons — 8
Winning seasons — 71
.500 or better — 73
NCAA tourney bids — 42

USC has great football and baseball programs and also fields excellent programs in virtually all other sports it particiaptes in. But in basketball, USC doesn’t even come close to UCLA, and it seems pretty unlikely that USC will ever find a way to become anything worth mentioning until it decides to spend the money to bring in a proven coach.

Epic FAIL on your part, so cal.

by ucladj89 on Oct 26, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't fail Thats your STUPID OPPINION

And yes USC hasn’t had much in the past —-but things are going to change BOY WONDER


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus this whole thing is really funny hahahahahahaha, got you

Is it true that SAM GILBERT was best uclol AD—-because of his payout Basketball recruiting and Team party coordinating?

Can You Say Cheaten John Woodie


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 27, 2011 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

what you put here is not knowing it is some history of the sport

But I want to know if you have any HANDS ON experience—which like most bRuins you probably Don’t.

So make sure you take my depends out of your mouth before you start thinking that satistics matter—


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 29, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I know everything about Dedmon and Moore

Well I remember your 4 player 5 star class and no results and transfers out—-Stars don’t matter it is all about heart—-something 95% of ucla people don’t have—-keep coaching and hopeing all the way from your desk—=where is it Chicago?


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope. Dorrell was not a good coach, and simply because Neuheisel has been worse doesn't change that fact.

Believe me, I am not pining for the days of Dorrell simply because he finshed .500 in conference a few times. He was a good man, a good Bruin and a fine position coach, but as a HC he was not the answer.

by ucladj89 on Oct 25, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come off it dj

You want to just ignore the 10—2 season in 1995, with a 50 – 38 win over Northwestern in the Sun Bowl just because Pete Carroll whipped your ass. Your QB was Drew Olson for Chrissakes! You guys would give your left nut for a season like that right now.

Going forward from 1996, the real killer was Ben Olson’s glass knees along with big-heart-little-talent Patrick Cowan, who at least won you a strong measure of revenge against us. I agree that Karl was not a great coach in 1996, but he was a work in progress. Karl’s play calling was definitely suspect; but at times even our own Lane Kiffin has made us wonder. You and everyone in LA knows that little problem would have been fixed because Norm Chow was destined to join your staff. Admit it now and repent!

If Dan Guerrero has stuck to his guns, Karl would be killing it right now. This is something few Bruins will ever accept; mostly because you’re still obsessed with those losses at the hands of the Utes,Domers, and mighty Wazzu. It’s too bad, you could have been somebody.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 25, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could have been a contender!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzBgR0UoYo

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Oct 25, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha... Old guys rule!

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 25, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you got it partly right Agrippa

I wouldn’t trade my left nut for another 10-2 season, but I’d trade Neuheisel’s left nut for it.

by ucladj89 on Oct 25, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's nuts and then there's NUTS

If you trade in both of Rick’s nuts and one of Jerry’s (and his clipboard), you might get up to 6-6, but it would be a total ripoff.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 25, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, throw in Danny Guerrero's ass and you could make it all the way back to the Emerald/Fight Hunger/Nut Bowl!

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!

You have had me cracking the hell up with all these comments of yours!

You made my Friday, DJ.

Fuck you’re awesome! I truly mean that.

Fight On, Bruin!

by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 28, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks Bix...it's tough to take up arms on behalf of the Bruins

on a Trojie board, but when so cal pulls out that rhetorical limp noodle from his Depends and tries to cross verbal swords, its one pass and au revoir, go-pher

by ucladj89 on Oct 28, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

DJ - have you ever read so cal's tennis coverage? Ever?

That alone kicks ass, then add in everything else and he is about 10 times better than the best poster in BN history.

Read his posts and learn something Junior G-Man.

by uscdude on Oct 28, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks uscdude it shows you have class and brains

Can someone get me my depends the last time I saw them DJ was sucking on them like most Marina HS nerds


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 28, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude...stay on topic

I’m sure so cal knows a thing or two about tennis, but his imbecilic rants about basketball and football are the problem here. If a guy is going to start tossing around invective after making pointless, dementia-addled “arguments” on a topic he clearly knows nothing about, he’s gotta expect blowback.

by ucladj89 on Oct 29, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Listen ASSHOLE I PLAYED BOTH SPORTS


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Electric football doesn't count

and just because you played basketball when there was a jump ball after every made basket doesn’t give you any greater insight into the game.

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

by ucladj89 on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see your expertise now

Typical bRuin Boy not understanding what was written, only to fail again.
Maybe you should remember this is a USC site and telling someone to stay on topic is a BN maneuver, you know those other delusional bRuins.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 29, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets settle it down here...feel free to disagree but please stop the dispariging name calling

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by Paragon SC on Oct 30, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree. Take the flame wars over to the wolfbag...

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 30, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Say what you want ofmy age but you being 44 or so means you are approaching a bracket where a lot of changes in your life will happen.

My Aunt was stricken with Dementia in her last years and it is not a pretty sight to see or be around, but it happens I only hope it doesn’t to me. But to throw around words such as that is really not right, but who knows what will happen because I do believe in Karma.

Good Luck in your life and this will be the lat time i ever read or reply to anything you say.

Pac-12 officials please Mexican Cartel come and manage them.
Is Oregon really a state now?

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 30, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Neuheisel

Makes Karl Dorrell look like Nick Saban.

by frak on Oct 25, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nestie for HC


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2011 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

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