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USC's Defense will come back to haunt them...

The simple fact is Monte Kiffin's defense is ineffective for the college game.

It is easy to pile on here but the proof is in the film.

Monte's Tampa 2 is effective when you have the likes of John Lynch, Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice etc...but when you have talent less than that, we are seeing the results.

I hate to say it, but it is only going to get worse. Teams like Oregon and Stanford and maybe even Notre Dame are going to move up and down the field against this defense. It didn't look like we played more 6-7 guys on D-Line. So much for rotation. Two weeks in row this defense has given up over 40 points. That is not the USC defense we are (were) accustomed to...of course that defense was three years ago.

I hate to say it, but Galippo is just awful. His tackling is atrocious. He got burned on that one TD run by Arizona that was deep in 'SC territory. He missed a number of other tackles as well.

The offense can only rely on Barkley, Woods and Lee (what is Lee's injury?) for only so long. The running game is non-existent because the O-line couldn't stop air.

I want to be positive but the film don't lie...

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Assessment of D right on ... what's up with RB situation

Been a while since, but that’s what a newborn will do.

Tampa 2 seems useless against the spread offenses we’re seeing. Seems like all teams have to do is throw that swing pass and it’s an automatic 10 yards…killed us against the Sun Devils and today.

With the RB situation, looks like we should be able to get another Thunder and Lighting combo with Tyler + Morgan/McNeal but it seems like coaches are happy sticking with Tyler as featured back. Any word on why D-Bax isn’t getting any playing time?

by spn168 on Oct 1, 2011 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Got a hunch he might redshirt

he hasn’t got any bigger since HS and it looks as if the league he played in wasn’t that tough.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lee jammes all the fingers on one hand

he came back in the game a little later.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Oct 1, 2011 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s going to be a long season…

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Oct 1, 2011 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope you're right...

I’ll settle for a season… but right now I’m not seeing this thing get better ’till well after the 3 year scholarship reductions have passed.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Oct 1, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It probably won’t – but one crisis at a time.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Oct 1, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crisis? What crisis?

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

King of the World dude!

King of the World!

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1252

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Oct 2, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yesss! Our resident Rock Sage comes through as usual

Good to see someone knows what I’m talking about

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 2, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you Loco! To the 60's, 70's and 80's!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGI6qQHFlPk&feature=related

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Oct 2, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wish that the title of the above song

was our Defense’s motto!

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Oct 2, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stanford about to go up 17-0

ASU down 13-0


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Why the sourpuss frowns?

We are 4-1 baby! On pace for a 9-3 season. 3/7 of our defensive back 7 were freshman. Woody and Lee are the best WR tandem in CFB.

But, yeah, I agree. The defense is really bad and Galippo is atrocious. Still, plan to celebrate every this season. We only face 1 QB better than Foles in our final 8 games.

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by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT

by DFWTrojan on Oct 1, 2011 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish he would give Sarao or Dallas Kelley a chance

They would be Quicker and faster


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

Good point. They fit the Tampa 2 system better.

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Realistically more like 7-5 but I'll take it

Losses against Oregon, Furd, ND, and one more. Yeah, maybe we save Weasel’s ass.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, 6-6 is a distinct possiblity.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a deal...

Did you guys see any of our highlights? Our QBs can’t get out of their own way. Luckily we have a pretty good defense. I therefore propose we combine the Penn State and USC teams into some sort of conglomerate, the “USC-State Nittany Trojans” or something like that. We could have your offensive staff (Jay Paterno can finally go sell insurance or something, anything other than coaching football) and we can provide the defensive staff. I don’t know if I can stand watching our QBs say “F it! I’M GOING DERP!” again.

by jjl207 on Oct 1, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I think this idea has legs

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Oct 1, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like L’eggs

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

As big of an apologist as I am....

I can’t defend this defense. Even when we do have players in the right spaces, they often don’t make the play. During the PC era, playing soft and giving them everything underneath surrendered a lot of yards but worked because the defense often was able to generate turnovers and thus derail sustained drives. Today, Arizona had TD drives of 12, 4, 18, 6, 10, and 6 plays – we’re either surrendering big plays by not tackling underneath stuff, or we’re letting them sustain drives and not taking the ball away (I know today we had 2 picks, but for the season I think we’re still something like -5 in turnover margin). For whatever reason, we have not been able to replicate all the turnovers of those great PC defenses of 03 and 04 and have languished in that category. If you can’t create those takeaways, then you will get KILLED playing the soft zone that we do.

After Oregon and Stanford (hell, even UW and ND probably will) hang 40+ on us, how will Monte Kiffin be able to justify keeping his job? I’m normally all for giving a coach a few years to get their system in place and to get the right players for their system, but if we’re not seeing improvement by the end of the year, it will be difficult not to call for Monte’s retirement.

by FightOn09 on Oct 1, 2011 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

right on brotha

NO ‘D’… NO ‘W’… today’s game excepted… which we won’t see again this year if ever. The hallmark of successful Trojan teams, seasons, and eras has been a good if not great defense. Truth is a great team needs everything, everyday… BUT without a solid defense SC goes nowhere.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Oct 1, 2011 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't understand why this is news?

The D has the same problem as last year, it lacks experience and depth at LB. You can’t build a decent defense without a good LB corps. All you had to do was look at the depth chart to know defense would be an issue this year again.

by ev on Oct 1, 2011 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

recruiting to the rescue?

The hope is thatLane Kiffin can recruit the talent needed for LB as well as all other positions…. AND Kiffin does have a reputation for being a strong if not great recruiter. Going forward, the only question I have is this: Will the recruits still come to play for Lane Kiffin like they did for Pete Carroll? And therein lies the immediate future of USC football.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Oct 1, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is but it takes time

Dawson is the real deal, but only a freshman. Pullard is a good one but a RsFr. USC will always get good kids, they even did under he who shall not be named. Kiffin needs to recruit well and manage the depth chart. If he can do that, he will have been a good hire…even if he gets fired in another two to three years. Wins are secondary right now, no matter how much it hurts to watch.

by ev on Oct 1, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering the Seahawks will fire PC and the Aggies will fire Dewayne Walker...

Maybe we can get the band back together in 2012!

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jake! Elwood!

Excuse me ma’am, we’re on a mission from God . . .

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats a good one but you know the ncaa will try to put something on PC


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Missy would have her panties in a bundle

If Pete and championship football returned to the Coliseum

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can't. That ship has already sailed.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This was Anthony Brown's first start ever.

"Ain't no tuition for having no ambition." -Brandon Carswell

by RabbitSC on Oct 1, 2011 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, some of our players aren't up to snuff but...

when you play 10 yards off on 4th and 2, even 11 All-Americans wouldn’t be in a position to make the stop. Kiff suggests taking away the big play is their priority. Fine, but you have to take some situational risks. Our best unit, the D-line is looking mediocre because QBs have their pick of receiver any time anyone gets close. Each drive is a slow death. The big plays don’t happen but they score nonetheless. The more plays it takes the more worn down our D becomes. So when that inevitable game-winning drive comes around in the fourth, we’re too gassed to have any prayer of getting the stop. I know our athletes aren’t as bad as Monte’s defense is making them look.

by forgot2panic on Oct 1, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

You know that was classic Pete Carroll

Play off the man, make them drive down the field and don’t give up big plays. Only difference was he had better players, which ironically is his fault.

by ev on Oct 1, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent analysis by the way

Always playing 10 yards off is suicidal.

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monte Kiffin's defense is inadequate for the NFL

All teams in the NFL play the cover 2, but I know of only three teams in the NFL play the Tampa-2 as their base defense: Seattle, Chicago, Indy. These teams are combined 2-7, and not one of them will go to the playoffs.

Form what i understand, Monte was either fired from Tampa Bay or was released from his contract before he could be fired. His defenses at the end of his tenure were consistenly in the bottom half of the NFL.

NFL offenses have passed Monte by. The tampa-two is an inadequate defense for college. Monte needs to go. Period.

by Zoulou on Oct 1, 2011 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Monte is out of ideas, and out of gas

It is indeed time for the old codger to hang it up. Bring on Dewayne Walker.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes this


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There isn't overwhelming talent.

But there is enough talent not to be among the worst defenses in college football, which is where we will end since we just started to face offenses that can move the ball.

Perry, Harris, Robey, McDonald, Kennard, all will be playing in the NFL. Yes Robey, on special teams and in nickel situations.

Tupau and Horton probably will not be drafted because of the dearth of teams playing the Tampa 2 in the NFL. But they would start on most other college teams, if not be in the rotation. Gallipo just doesn’t have the speed or strength (the back surguries). Jury is out on Pullard and Bailey, the rest of the secondary.

Granted it is not freakish talent like where Clay Matthews didn’t even start until the fourth game of his senior year, but it not the talent of a team that looks like it will end the year worse statistically than last year, where they finished like 100th or so in pass defense.

This is not a recruiting issue. This is Monte = Fail.

by Zoulou on Oct 1, 2011 10:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Bingo! Monte is doing the less with more thing better than anyone in the Pac-12

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree - it's a waste of recruiting talent

When you throw them to the lions with the Tampa 2. You need an NFL HOF line up to succeed with the Tampa 2 – and then only maybe.

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

We will joke about Monte Kiffin defenses in 5 years

That is how freaking historically bad they will be in the USC record book.

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I really feel we have the horses to play man in the secondary, but MLB is the biggest problem.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Also McDonald would be better at MLB since the F-ing refs will not let him hit receivers hard


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

How bad is Gallipo? Or should it be: How bad is Monte?

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK maybe he is confused---but he went to Servite they are usually smart kids

We need a LB that can read the formation because it seems that the staff in the booth can’t


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to cut the kid some slack. He's gettng very little help from the staff and instincts only get you so far.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear you M--------but it is very tough watching these kids get under-coached.

I mean they could have gone to ucla for that but they choose USC for a reason—-to maybe get to the next level or get envolved with the best Alumni support on the West Coast.


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 1, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep...

We’ve had this issue for a while now. Clay Matthews, Rey Rey and Cushing had issues being out of position, but made up for them with talent.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is indeed poor coaching.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 1, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: PC and Seahawks

Brock Huard undermines Pete daily on his 9 a.m. – noon radio show up here. He is sly and sarcastic about PC’s coaching ability and plays to the Husky-loving SC-hating audience in Seattle. I am sick of Huard.

by uscdude on Oct 1, 2011 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Aren't they a bit... Odd up there though.

My brother lives in Seattle and he says it’s like living in a city of delusional obsessives – every team is the best and championship contenders every off season, and the results of the preceding 1 / 5 / 10 / 20 years are dismissed as an aberration.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Oct 2, 2011 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes listening to Brook he is always ripping USC people


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know who we can recruit for MLB Danny Bateman

a href=“http://youtu.be/DI9GNrBQp9U” ><http://youtu.be/DI9GNrBQp9U


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2011 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah!

554 yards and 37 first downs. Heh.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 2, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

get me the ball Danny


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Say we go with a Okie 5 front Defense 2 LBs 4 DBs

your DE are usually the Quickest and fastest big men, you can assign the nose tackle to the QB because it is not a 4 point stance type d-line and also they can stand on 3rd and long. The Tackles slant in this alinement and Nose rushes as do DEs and the backers do the inside stuff but you don’t play Zone but Man. If they clear the backfield then 5-1-5 this all man to man can very effective against Pistol. LBs should have 4.6 or better time in full gear, DEs also should be as fast the only big meat players are the three inside dudes. I played a right side tackle (Tiger) in this alinement and my job was to slant to the gap as does the left side and the nose has the opportunity to hit and read. This defense was very effective against the Oregon and Reno’s of the world, plus if you drop the DEs can cover Stanford or Arizona offense.

Well just an Idea


Who--What--Slim Shady---Thats the duckies and Kelly maybe they should put their plays up in brail..

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2011 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I was...

at the game and saw the defense. Or rather, I saw 10 guys and TJ McDonald all dressed in Cardinal and Gold running around the field. Who knew it was a football game they were playing?

You're a Bruin for 4 years, but you're a Trojan for life!

by DevilishTrojan21 on Oct 2, 2011 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Ouch

Not wholly unfair but nonetheless…

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Oct 2, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

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