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An Interesting Back Story from the Oregon/Tenn. Game

I caught this on one of the boards a little earlier...(emphasis added)

Oregon’s offense didn’t know what to do with itself. The defense sure did.

Saturday’s first quarter was marred by a 70-minute weather delay that interrupted the No. 7 Ducks’ 48-13 win at Tennessee. A lightning storm in the vicinity of Neyland Stadium forced the teams from the field with 8:53 left in the first quarter, and they returned an hour later for a 10-minute warm-up period prior to the resumption of play.

To that point, Oregon’s offense had yet to take a snap, owing to a fumbled kickoff return between Tennessee possessions. The defense, however, was able to review runs of 31 and 21 yards it allowed on the first plays of the Vols’ two field-goal drives.

How were they able to "review" those runs?

Here is the rule...

"Motion pictures, any type of film, facsimile machines, videotapes, photographs, writing-transmission
machines and computers may not be used by coaches or for coaching purposes anytime during the game or between periods."

Prohibited Field Equipment
ARTICLE 9.

a. Television replay or monitor equipment is prohibited at the sidelines, press box or other locations within the playing enclosure for coaching purposes during the game. Motion pictures, any type of
film, facsimile machines, videotapes, photographs, writing-transmission machines and computers may not be used by coaches or for coaching purposes anytime during the game or between periods.

b. Only voice communication between the press box and team area is permitted. Where press-box space is not adequate, only voice communication may originate from any area in the stands between the25-yard lines extended to the top of the stadium. No other communication for coaching purposes is permitted anywhere else.

c. Media communication equipment, including cameras, sound devices, computers and microphones, is prohibited on or above the field, or in or above the team area (Rule 2-31-1).

The OP who is a friend heard this on ESPN this morning...I didn't hear it myself and I have not had a chance to talk him directly but it is interesting.

I may be nothing, but......

Just thought I would throw it out there.

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It will be interesting to see if this story has legs

Considering the Vols felt a common bond with the Ducks in their hatred of USC, it would be ironic if the Ducks stabbed them in the back.

by ev on Sep 13, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

who says we hate USC?

I don’t care much for Kiffin, but we’ve never really had a problem with SC.

Hate is a word saved for Washington.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

What did Kiffin ever do to Oregon?

aside from the sports media’s narrative Kiffin = bad guy, seriously why is he any different than Mike Stoops or Dan Hawkins for an Oregon fan?

by ilium55 on Sep 14, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's bandwagon thing...

Kiffin is the flavor of the month…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

No...I didn't like Kiffen when he was at Tennessee.

There is definitely some skewed coverage when it comes to Kiffin, but he made it very very easy to do so by his past actions.

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep

all the trash talking when he was at Tennessee really turned people off of him…..

There’s also something anti-American about continuing to get promotions when you haven’t actually accomplished anything.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can go in a lot of different directions with that statement...but I won't...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is just a case of you supporting your guy

which is what you should do. We’d do exactly the same thing if it were the opposite.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You misunderstood my response...

Let’s just say it’s bigger than an SC thing…

I will leave it at that…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really why didn't you feel he was not qualified, I think he put in his dues.

If you think he is to young then I YOU need to make a rule and enforce My little Quack-Quack. On another note why don’t you run for president maybe you can control the USA.

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait… what?

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just saying go Duck off

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay… just checkin – wait. what?

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I ducked your mom last night.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 14, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was talking about my mom, whom I saw last week.

Unless…

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easy gents...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Put another way...

Best way to avaoid it is to stay on subject and not attack our coach…this post had nothing to do with him…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand but we are a bit tired of the ad hominem attacks on Kiffin for every little thing

We want to support him even in the face of many reviling him.

He has our support until he screws it up. He is as qualified as the next guy.

I didn’t think the the comment was too bad.

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

So saying I don't like Lane Kiffin is an invitation to a personal attack?

This conversation while contentious didn’t devolve into personal attacks until Socal stepped in.

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was replying to Piper not you

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that but don't take it so personally.

It’s makes it much easier to have an actual discussion if you leave out the personal attacks

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahahaha

You always come here and about 80% of the time you make you POSER comments and then say you were kidding. Can’t by it Pilot-poser little duck that quacked for help.

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem if you don't like kiffin...

Some take it differently than I do…

The inference made was that he isn’t qualified…we disagree.

Again this post had NOTHING to do with Kiffin…we didn’t bring it up…Dave did when he said he didn’t like kiffin. I let that slide…to each his own but sooner or later someone was going to take exception…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I said I didn’t care for him, but it was hardly an inflammatory comment. ev said we hated USC, which isn’t true. With his Tennessee comment, I assumed he was making the link from hating Kiffin to hating USC. I didn’t elaborate until asked.

After your response to me, it was a dead issue. Nobody brought it up again until 1952 started asking questions.

You guys should stand by your guy. We’d be doing the same thing. And I understand that you guys are tired of hearing about it. But it shouldn’t shock you that he’s rubbed some people the wrong way. And, basically, if you don’t want to hear about it, then members shouldn’t be asking about it.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I can't be responsible for what's in everyone elses head or how they respond

I didn’t have a problem with it…I can’t and don’t answer for so.cal.

It doesn’t shock us about what we hear about kiffin…it doesn’t mean we always want to hear it though.

This is kind of a safe haven for our guys to get away from it….at least we hope it is,,,

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t hold it against you guys. I’ve been calling Kiffin a douchebag for way longer than he’s been a Trojan. :-)

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh well that’s all right then.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Sep 16, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m glad we can get resolution on this.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 20, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You knew Kiff when he was an assistant w/

Fresno St? Panthers? CSU Rams?

Hmmmm, sounds fishy. Like Masoli’s alibi.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!

by DFWTrojan on Sep 16, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

i THINK HE KNEW HIM IN THE 4TH GRADE-kIFF PROBABLY TOOK HIS LUNCH MONEY.

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

Oh and Duckies you might quack but I throw bricks back---so don't come here empty handed

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 17, 2010 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!

by DFWTrojan on Sep 17, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, read your own lines!

You must have reviewed my brain at halftime!

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

and thats understandable

I want to respect that, its just hard for me not to answer when somebody asks.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you say you don't hate Trojans I believe you

However I’ve read and been around enough Ducks to know USC is up on the list. Right below Huskies and Beavers. My point wasn’t about Duck per say, but about Vols, I thought that was clear.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t hate USC. I was actually one of the few Carrol defenders.

If we’re going to do a pecking order of Pac-10 hate, there is always UW, OSU, ASU, UA, Stanford, UCLA all to rank over USC.

Most USC hate is steamed from jealousy. I couldn’t be more carefree about that.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that....

Order of hate:

UW, BSU, AZ, OSU, USC.

Once you get that far down the list it’s no longer hate….more of a dislike

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Poor Broncos

No one seems to love them anymore. Why AZ, a Stoops thing? If so, I could see that.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

All the Oregon fans I knew that went to the game were treated like shit.

That and after the game AZ fans started throwing things at anything Oregon. One of my best friends was hit in the head with a battery, another with a filled water bottle. Also Stoops is an Ass-hat.

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I can see that.

As for the UA fans, they are like that with everyone (which doesn’t’ speak well of them). The only ones worse are the ASU fans. Of course they are so bad their own school fences them off for the protection of others. How sad is that! Must be an AZ thing.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand the Stoops hate. I like Mike Stoops.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 14, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, that sounds like it sucks

But it reminds me of Autzen.

"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron

by RabbitSC on Sep 20, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luv This Video

The duck teabaggin the cougar is F-in hilarious

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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley

by WE ARE SC on Sep 15, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a difference between taking exception and responding accordingly

And dragging the conversation down to an elementary school argument during recess.

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That may have come off a little more harsh than I intended

I really do like the work you and Joey do here. This turned into a bit more of a circus than I expected

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

No offense taken...I just refuse to police very single comment

And I want my guys to feel free to say what they want here…sometimes there is a little collateral damage…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you are a TROLL

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

ppilot

please just let it go. CC has always been good with us. Lets not get into a war with them.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen his wife?

I believe that’s accomplishment enough!

by CPEM on Sep 15, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

JUst another 5 buck duck!

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 13, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Ummmm......QB's are often given picture of the defensive alignment if they the coaches see something.

It’s been that way for years, so if this NCAA regulations it’s not exactly being enforced

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 8:49 AM PDT reply actions  

hmmmm, assuming much?

1. Review doesn’t necessairly mean “watch film”

2. Does this mean everytime a QB is given pictures of coverage (which happens ALL THE TIME), its a violation?

This is a non-story.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Well if you read the rule, yes it's a violation

I’m not saying Oregon did or didn’t do anything wrong, just that it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this. It wouldn’t be the first time one incident pointed out that many have been violating a rule.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except for the fact it is plainly visible on national TV all the time (Providing photographs)

Either there is some type of addendum to this rule or it is flat out not being enforced

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

probably the latter

like I said, non-story

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

It may be a non story to you Dave but some of us found it intriguing

Would you feel it was a non story if the shoe was on the other foot?

It is violation, read section A of the rule again. It specifically says photographs.

Also…if it “HAPPENS ALL THE TIME” and it’s no big deal then why is there a rule.

Assumptions are the mother of a great give and take…we really don’t care but people are discussing it which is why I posted it. You commented on it…mission accomplished in my eyes.

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

true

and to be fair, you said “it may be nothing”, which I think is exactly the case.

I do find it interesting, as ppilot said, that photographs are given to QBs all the time, by pretty much every team. So the rule is clearly not being enforced.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The photos given to QBs are not current photos.

They are photos from game film of previous games, which are legal. Any photos or film of a game in progress is strictly phohibited, but in reality, probably a secondary violation of the rules.

by frak on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not by much when 90% of the games are on TV these days...regional and national

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

So you are telling me that no one in the NCAA compliance department ever watches these?

I am sorry that makes absolutely no sense. We aren’t talking about the MWC network, we are talking about primetime ESPN and ABC broadcasts.

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know what compliance departments do...

You say it it happens all the time and that is no big deal…

There is a rule inlace that specifically says otherwise…you tell me where the gap is.

I didn’t just pull it out of my ass…I read the quote in the paper and looked at the rule…seems pretty easy to figure out to me…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I still think the leap from "review" to this is a huge leap

seeing as review could be anything. Huge leap.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eyes of the beholder...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, the “it happens all the time” argument is there to say that there are plenty of situations that actually merit a closer investigation, i.e. when someone is blatantly looking at pictures of previous plays on national TV. This situation, not so much. For all we know, “review” simply means a coach sitting down with the defense and discussing the play, without any visual aids whatsoever. For anyone to look into this, and not other situations where the rule is blatantly being defied, would be pretty ridiculous.

by caguirre91 on Sep 14, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is that we are missing another piece of the puzzle

Because teams knowingly breaking the rule during primetime national broadcasts makes absolutely no sense even for an organization as inept as the NCAA

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably but I found it interesting so I posted...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's one way of interpreting it...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree with “It happens all the time”.

I honestly cannot recall a single time I’ve seen a collegiate QB review photos, outside of their own playbook.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree..I don't remember it either

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the “it’s happens all the time” excuse is lame. The NCAA should obviously enforce the rules, but all teams should follow the rules.

But I also think you’re making a massive stretch to take what that article says and turn that into an accusation or question that Oregon is breaking the rules. The article says “review,” which could mean any number of things, but certainly doesn’t mean photo or video review.

The biggest flaw in this whole logical leap is that the Ducks were on the road. Do you think that Tennessee would even make these systems available? I’m pretty certain that the visitor locker rooms don’t have video systems, and the opposing coaches box probably doesn’t have 11×17 photo printers hooked up to the ESPN feed. The Ducks could have brought that stuff with them, I supposed, but that’s pretty unlikely.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Review is the key word here

I interpret it differently than others…

Technology is an ever changing thing so there are any number of possibilities…

We saw it happen in plain site in the NFL…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe they used a macbook pro

and streamed it online? I just don’t think it is necessary, these coaches are professionals, they know the rules, and diagramming plays on a dry erase board is often times a better way of explaining things.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Sep 14, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Careful with this...

I actually know of one instance where this happened against SC…recently

That’s all I will say…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, are you calling us CHEATERS!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

/long diatriate
/rant (running backs not very good, Polk/?, college football IQ)

Hey Daisy, git me anudder one!
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Sep 14, 2010 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Heh...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

James Rodgers @ tailback: 7:08

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!

by DFWTrojan on Sep 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

News at 5:00!

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

able to review runs

That doesn’t mean reviewed film/photograph/microfiche/digital images from the hubble telescope. It could have been Xs and Os on a grease board, or letters and arrows on a chalkboard.

This is likely a non-issue.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

Your paranoia is running high if you jump immediately from ‘review’ to ‘telestrated 3D frame-by-frame analysis from Nick Aliotti to the entire defense’.

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be that elaborate...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hyperbole, obviously

but I still think you’re kind of witch hunting. What are you doing reading the R-G anyway?

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviuosly...

One mans witch hunt is another mans interest…

Feed readers are a great thing

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The internet

Is there anything it can’t do?

FYI: Bruins Nation called, they want their tinfoil hats back.

Kidding. Kind of.

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't need theirs...I have plenty of my own, thanks ;-)

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, crap

I guess I can’t sell you mine, then. It’s a lovely shade of yellow, perhaps you caught it during our awesome showing against BYU in the Las Vegas Bowl a few years back:

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's just bad...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazingly, this shot doesn't even do it proper justice

You can barely make out the flame/webfoot hologram just above the visor.

Personally, I’ve come to like the uniform madness we created, but the level of suck in this getup, and in this game, has never been duplicated since by the Ducks (praise God).

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Calling Mr. blackwell!

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

How would YOU review them?

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"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

a dry erase board

X’s and O’s

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about

drawing it in the dirt with bottle caps and twigs representing the players.

by frak on Sep 14, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

MSPaint?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mind = blown

Isn’t all sports just LARPing some war game anyway?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha,,,,love it

I wonder what Character LMJ would be?

Paladin?
Mage?
Rogue?

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rogue

definitely a rogue

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Sep 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Recreate the plays with Lego’s, much like those World Cup goal reenactments they had on Deadspin.

by caguirre91 on Sep 14, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

How does any coach review them?

All I get out of this story is the coaches took advantage of an hour-long break by doing some coaching.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would personally use playdough.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would use a video game

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!

by DFWTrojan on Sep 14, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly I don't understand what the big deal is

Do you think this precludes the coaching staff from reviewing what’s going on in any form? Of course they were coaching them up while waiting to hit the field again, that’s what they get paid to do. They were getting killed out there, so they talked about what was happening.

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by QuackinAK on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's how you do it not that you do it...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

then what's the problem here?

because i didn’t read anything in the story that says it was done improperly. That was clearly an inference made by you and you alone.

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by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I interpreted as something more than you did

I’m fine if you disagree…it is just how I saw it.

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

we are talking about the word "review"

There are many kinds of reviews, book reviews, performance reviews, it is not implied what kinds of media are used when reviewing. That inference was made by you.

Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin

by QuackinAK on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's right it was...

Again I interpreted it differently than you.

No one knows the truth here I merely voiced an opinion…I could be wrong, but what if I am right?

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't you know? All Oregon players get their playbooks on an Ipads

Kelly using his mad hacker skills put together a 3d flash game showing a how Tennessee was using an unbalanced line to pin our linebackers

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh..

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

In a related story

Masoil was merely confused because that laptop looked JUST LIKE HIS.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Overall I have to side with the ducks on this one

Review doesn’t imply photography, or filming. It just means to go over something. Its not even an issue unless someone has the goods on those types of systems being used.

by frak on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

True but it's hard to think otherwise

How else do you “review” the prior plays? Askling the players what happen and putting it on a white board? Like I said, I don’t know what happen but I would like to.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of plays to remember...

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

The one they were killing us on, though

was not rocket science.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

In other news

our coaches are not demented old ladies.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still remember the plays

and I didn’t even call the defense

Hey Daisy, git me anudder one!
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by Matt Daddy on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes but you do remember the alignments

and what the players did for both teams? I’m sure you do.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually I do

it wasn’t hard, they were simple I-formation power run plays where our LB got pinched in and wasn’t able to get out on the RB which left him open for a big run. It’s not unfathomable to think the coaches went in and (dare I say) “reviewed” what the LBs are supposed to do in that type of formation. It’s also not outside of the realm of possibility that the coaches would remember those two plays out of the 10-12 that UT ran because they were the ones that set them up to score early.

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are we even talking about the same thing?

These guys are professional football coaches. This is what they do for a living. If they aren’t competent enough to remember two plays from half of a quarter, then…

Oh, wait, maybe USC will hire them as heac coach.

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

And, a typo ruins another perfectly good joke.

axemen23: the human vuvuzela

by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

see there you go

The “duck” comes out at the worse time. Can’t even have a nice conversation. Nice to see you guys haven’t really changed.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

/singlesilenttear

Not sure the personal attack is necessary, I even said it was a joke.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

So calling you a duck is a personal attack?

You were the one throwing things out there first. There was no need for an off color joke. I wrote that before you said it was a joke, although it wouldn’t have made a difference.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

K, I'll spell it out:

“Nice to see you guys haven’t really changed.”

I was actually enjoying the conversation; obviously I think Paragon is reaching a bit in his opinion, but he’s entitled to it.

But you’re pretty strongly implying the coaching staff is cheating, and incapable of making a simple defensive adjustment during an hour-long break in the locker room. You think that isn’t going to ruffle feathers?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

So who the ---- are you anyway

Everyone has an opinion and it is evs blog

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have already said twice

I don’t know what happen, I would just like to is all. Clearly the rule doesn’t allow photos, but that doesn’t mean it was or wasn’t done. However to assume “review” would be from memory is a bigger jump than to not. Again remember where you are. If I were on a duck board, they yes you have a point. Here, not so much.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

However to assume "review" would be from memory is a bigger jump than to not.

How else are adjustments made in the game? Does every coach keep to their original game plan, stubbornly, just because they aren’t allowed to look at photos?

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is funny is the duck fans started

by saying photos were used by everyone. Now not so much. Just pointing that out

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagreed with that. I’ve never witnessed that myself.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's fine

But the fact is early in this topic Duck fans were saying photos were used by everyone (including them).

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your missing a sixth sense, which in this case is humor – not the one where you can see dead people.

Buck up, chum!

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you forgetting where you are?

Nice to see you are a welcome visitor.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's take it easy here

Differing opinions are welcome but keep it cool…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was trying to be funny, but apparently it came off more inflammatory. Sorry about that. I just think some people are sometimes a little TOO sensitive, and that was my assumption. My bad.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

They were the same play, and it was within approximately 6-7 plays from each other.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering that the big runs early against Oregon were essentially the same play, with the same defensive scheme, and the DC was up in the booth – it wouldn’t be too hard to figure out what happened…

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Essentially isn't the same thing and it does make a difference.

If you want to go with the white board defense, fine with me. Honestly it doesn’t matter to me, but it would be nice to know if UO did UT wrong. I would get a laugh out of that.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Please refer to tinfoil hat above, available for immediate purchase.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bruins Nation is having a clearance sale on designer models

If you hurry I am sure you could pick up a Chanel or Marc Jacobs for a good price.

by ppilot on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guys enough with the BN jokes...I have to answer for it when it gets out of hand...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Question Paragon

If you have to answer for us, does that mean “N” does for them? I mean at worse we are not even half as bad as they are about Trojans. Or is this just a “site” thing? I don’t read BN much so I don’t know if they take shots at this site or just USC in general. I’ve always wonder about that as this isn’t the first time you have made this point.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

its a one way street...hit up on email if you need a clarification...

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

me

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

So now it is against the rules to have a photographic memory?

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are assuming just as we are

The only difference is we are looking at it from the other direction. Is that so hard to accept?

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get your assumptions

but they seem a little far fetched and not grounded in reality. It’s reality to know that UT had run less than a dozen plays, where 2 of them had gone for long yardage because of misalignments by our defense. To assume then that Oregon figured out a way to get technological evidence away from home, and then knowing broke rules because one guy said they “reviewed” what happened on those two plays is grasping for something that to me seems intellectuality dishonest.

You’re allowed to your opinion, that’s fine. I just think our assumptions are probably a lot closer to the truth.

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say quite the opposite, actually

The operative word in this discussion is “review”. I would say that Occam’s razor is pretty dull if we’re taking that to mean “use of video in the locker room”.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody said you can’t. Obviously there are dissenting opinions over the issue. Dissenting or differing opinions tend to coexist just fine.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're welcome to that opinion

Just as I’m welcome to question the logic behind it. Isn’t that what an internet forum about football is for? And quit with the ’it’s our board’ stuff, it’s a post about the Ducks.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Sep 14, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes it's a post about the ducks on our board

Sorry but there is a difference. Nice to know I’m entitled to an opinion on the matter, I was beginning to think otherwise.

by ev on Sep 14, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

My assumption has no implication. That is a distinctive difference between conspiracy and skepticism.

I’m not drawing any conclusions over the issue. Paragon SC, and many of you are (Granted, Paragon is doing it while accepting it might by “nothing”)

I don’t assume to know what was going on, but to extrapolate “review” into an implication of film, or photography without ANY basis is conspiratorial.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-L-W-A-R-M-A-N-D-F-U-Z-Z-Y"

by JShufelt on Sep 14, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's fine...as I indicated it may be nothing

Doesn’t mean I am not intrigued…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I just want to make clear, Paragon

this was in no way meant to be any criticism against you personally. You guys have always run a good ship here, unlike the clown show run by that other LA team. I just thought this was an unfair leap, and had to claim it as such.

Hope we’re still cool.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack, your friendly, neighborhood Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Wasn't taken that way at all...I have plenty of other things to be paranoid about in my day job...

This isn’t one of them.

We are good…

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I live in Oregon and I am blinded by the Non-light!

My reactions are slow
I am Myopic in sight
My brain freezes more than my I-phone
My favorite star is Tanya Harding
I duck when I hear the sound of buckshot
My feet are always wet
I smell like a dead duck.
Quack—Silenceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Here come the Dog

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

thems the breaks when you have to go to class....;-)

"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Sep 14, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I think that Chip Kelly is more of a trash talker than Kiffin.

I mean the other day I heard he took out the trash at the college—————OH wait NEVER MIND

35-TO Nothing---------Yep the LA Monopoly is a changing------

Oh and Duckies you might quack but I throw bricks back---so don't come here empty handed

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 14, 2010 3:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I have to side with Paragon

In sports and in the media, “to review” something is to watch it again (“re-view”) through one form of medium or another; writing it down on a board, etc., is called “breaking down the play,” or “analyzing” or discussing it, etc. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words by the originator of the article, but in “analyzing” the phrasing like he did and coming to that conclusion, Paragon is correct.

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