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McNair's appeal shows the NCAA breaks their own Bylaws...it won't change anything though

There are many questions that one would have in reading Todd McNair's appeal to the NCAA. 

Questions like:

The COI contradicts itself about the relationship between McNair, Lake and Faison Love, (pages 41-42) and how that contradiction was used to hurt McNair's credibility.

The McNair Legal team not being allowed to read Loyd Lake's testimony until three months after his lakes testimony, (page 51).

There are others...Too numerous to discuss right now.

But one thing significant stands out.

It would appear that the NCAA not only violated its own bylaws when preparing their report against USC but that they have their own issues with a lack of institutional control.

Bryan Fischer explains it perfectly...

The most serious charge leveled by McNair was of post-hearing misconduct by the NCAA. According to the appeal, the committee [COI] had ex parte communications with the enforcement staff by sharing a draft of the committee's infractions report in order to correct "factual errors." NCAA bylaws 32.8.8 and 32.8.8.1 prohibit such ex parte communication.

"That kind of communication is strictly forbidden," former committee chairman Tom Yeager said. "The committee has so many attorneys on it that would raise all kinds of red flags; they just wouldn't go down that way. In my years on the committee, the conversation with any NCAA (staff) is almost exclusively with the committee's own staff people. They just don't talk to the enforcement staff.

"What normally happens, is that the (enforcement) staff does not know the contents of the report. They just don't."

Normally?

This case has been anything but normal.

Star-divide

Strictly forbidden?

You mean like having an investigator spoon feed a witness, walking him down the path you want him to be on in order to cobble together your case?

If we are to believe Yeager then the NCAA has a very serious charge on its hands that's going to be hard to explain away.

NCAA bylaws state that when the enforcement staff is contacted to assist the committee, all parties will be able to respond to the information. No such notification or response occurred in USC's case according to McNair's appeal.

"Have there been occasions when somebody on the enforcement staff will come in and catch something in the report when finished, something that might be misstated or a date wrong? Yes," said Yeager. "But it's basically correcting any factual issues that wouldn't change the committee's deliberations or their outcome."

The appeal states that McNair's attorney contacted the NCAA director of enforcement Ameen Najjar regarding the release of the committee's report. Najjar stated that committee had shared its report with the staff to "correct factual errors." The conversation took place almost a week before the final report was released.

Really?

But isn't that against the bylaws mentioned above?

Looks like someone opened their mouth when they shouldn't have.

I would venture to guess that the NCAA will simply pass this off as no big deal...they were simply "proof reading"...

Heck I would lay odds on it.

The NCAA has broken not only the basic tenants of the rule of law (which it appears they are above) but also their own bylaws just to make their case against USC.

Call me a homer, call me conspiracy theorist but how can anyone accept this.

That any self respecting lawyer would accept this should have his/her license pulled. This goes beyond petty bickering about fandom and rivalry. That an institution like the NCAA will get away with this is a disgrace. I now understand what Alabama fans felt like when the NCAA used Fulmer's secret testimony when they got nailed.

Don't get me wrong, I am not looking for sympathy...'SC has plenty to blame itself for. Letting Guillory back on campus, with Mayo in tow, with his known reputation and the general lack of a compliance office over seeing the basics like checking if the proper forms are filled out correctly didn't help our case. The general tone of arrogance and lack of an aggressive PR campaign from the athletic department and the administration as a whole showed that they thought it would just go away.

Nothing changes here. The burden of proof is even higher in the appeals process than it is in the investigation process. 

They have stacked the deck in their favor.

Not surprisingly, the higher standard of proof was proposed and implemented by Paul Dee, due to the inordinately high amount of cases that resulted in successful appeals.

A little known and publicized fact behind this was that in order to have these tougher bylaws implemented, Dee wrangled a legislative work around that didn't require the NCAA member schools to vote on it. Dee strengthened the power of the COI, and weakened the appeals committee because he didn't approve of another branch of the NCAA overruling his committee's decisions.

So you can see that I have little faith in this changing anything...

We have no idea what USC's appeal will look like, but if we or they are hoping that McNair's appeal will plow the road in their quest to overturn the sanctions I would not bet on it. The only way this gets fixed is in court and I have little expectation that the administration has the stomach for that type of fight.

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Justice flew out the window...

…the second someone put a plate of meat in front of that big fat-ass cheater Paul Dee.

by TrojanJAG on Aug 18, 2010 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Paul Dee will leave in September,

and Potuto is gone too. This leaves Bloody Missy Conboy to circle the wagons. Since the NCAA’s bus has no reverse gear, I agree the appeals will fail. We’ll meet them in court to decide this but the damage is already done.

Salve Caesar Augustus Kiffinus!
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by M. AGRIPPA on Aug 18, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

McNair is an Innocent Man

Was he perhaps too chummy with his players? Was he too much of a players’ coach than a coaches’ coach? Was he too much like the young, desolate, lost, urban kids that typically played RB for him? Probably yes to all of the above.

But, without a doubt, the NCAA failed to prove that McNair was guilty of any NCAA violations. The report said it over and over, “mischaracterized and fabricated statements and evidence.”

I found it really insightful to read the defense from the pure McNair perspective, filtering out all of the USC institutional stuff. McNair seriously got railroaded as an individual much worse than USC did as an institution. I found the evidence so compelling, or rather the made up evidence of the COI, that it seems highly plausible that McNair, at least, is vindicated and cleared in his appeal. Surely, a lawsuit is in the works if McNair is not cleared of all charges.

Death to the NCAA!!!

by DFWTrojan on Aug 18, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m looking forward to seeing what kind of bullshit response the NCAA gives him next month.

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by M. AGRIPPA on Aug 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

If…the NCAA were to capitulate on any part of the alleged misdeeds of the COI, showing a crack in the wall, would without question open the door for USC to press for a compromise of sanctions, or as a last resort, file an action.

by alfa1 on Aug 18, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This kind of stuff...

Happened when the NCAA came down on us during the Means scandal.

I’m not excusing what our involvement in the scandal, but it was revealed in court over here that the NCAA broke its own rules so that they could keep their case as airtight as they can.

What happened with the Florida court declaring that the NCAA reveal their protocols in regards to the Florida State suit? I figured we would all find out really how the NCAA conducts its investigations.

Roll Tide Roll

Look at that dude going all Dareus on that colt.

by CaliforniaTide on Aug 19, 2010 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

McNair needs to explain Page 26

That’s where the NCAA seems to have produced “the smoking gun.” Early, between 1AM and 2AM on the morning of January 8, 2006 Lloyd Lake, according to his statements to the NCAA, makes a 2+ minute call to McNair which, of course, McNair either denies or can’t recall nor knows anything about. But McNair’s phone records apparently show a call being received on that date for that duration from one Lloyd Lake. Unless, McNair’s appeal can deal with this one fact, I don’t think his appeal goes anywhere nor does USC’s as this one phone record seems to corroborate what Lake has stated to the NCAA… that McNair and so USC knew all about the Bush affair because he (Lake) told McNair all about it. Again, McNair has not provided a reasonable response as to why his phone record shows this call from this person AND why, if it was a wrong number or errant call, it lasted for over two minutes.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

A 2AM phone call from Lloyd Lake's cell phone to McNair's cell phone, lasting just 2 minutes?

First off, on Jan 4, 2006- USC loses an epic Rose Bowl BCS National Championship game to Texas and then on Jan. 12, 2006- Reggie Bush declares for the NFL draft. And. . . .Jan. 8 falls directly in between.

Let’s see? In 2 minutes, for the sake of argument- let’s just say McNair “knew of” L. Lake, but didn’t know him real well see? He prolly doesn’t even know L Lake by name, just the face- and he sure as hell didn’t know the phone call was coming from L. Lake’s cell. Which is one of the reasons why McNair didn’t pick up- as well, it was freaking 2 AM IN THE MORNING!!! So, as I was saying- in 2 minutes, Lloyd Lake probably had just enough time to re-introduce himself to McNair’s answering machine and he probably left some sinister/high-threatening message for Coach McNair to get back to him. And. . . .that is all. So, in reality, you can’t really “do much” with a 2-minute phone call at 2 AM to make any sound or credible basis for an argument that Coach McNair “had knowledge” of Lloyd Lake trying to “represent” Reggie Bush. It would be a huge stretch of the imagination to come to that conclusion.

Secondly, Reggie Bush declared for the NFL draft just 4 days later. So, are you (trojanWar) saying that because Coach McNair “should have known” about Reggie Bush’s dealings with Lloyd Lake barely 4 days before Bush declares for the draft that “it would make a difference” in USC’s culpability and lack of oversight? That just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Now, let’s just say the COI feels the same way? Can you explain why?

"Fun fact: My grandma actually had 7 carries for 79 yards and one TD last year against Stanford. The (Oregon Ducks) spread option just works like that, but it helped that she’s pretty scrappy" (JShufelt- Addicted to Quack)

by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 24, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yo, Bix

Can you shoot me an email? I got a football question for you. Link’s in my profile. Thanks, bro.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Aug 24, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh shit!

Hey Holly, I just read this reply from you. I’ll send you out an email right now! Sorry sista! I’m on it.

"Fun fact: My grandma actually had 7 carries for 79 yards and one TD last year against Stanford. The (Oregon Ducks) spread option just works like that, but it helped that she’s pretty scrappy" (JShufelt- Addicted to Quack)

by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 28, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

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