Bush Stiff-Arms USC For Good
Maybe it's time I stop trying to understand how athletes think. Before LeBron infamously declared that he was taking his "talents" to South Beach, I told anybody that would listen that there was no chance that the self-dubbed "King" would divorce his hometown on national television. But as you're well aware, I was wrong.
Similarly, I've stated previously that at some point our old buddy Reggie Bush was going to come to his senses, take a deep breath, and issue some form of a belated apology. Didn't have to be a big press conference where a teary-eyed Bush went into great detail regarding his transgressions while a "student-athlete" at USC. Even a little press release on his own website or blog would do the trick. Heck, last night I was almost ready to accept his apology directed toward current athletic director Pat Haden during a telephone conversation, reported by the USA Today.
But as of this afternoon, Haden would like you to know that Bush has yet to apologize for his actions, which have led to the NCAA placing USC on 4-years probation. In other words, he could care less about 'SC. Per the Los Angeles Times:
USC Athletic Director Pat Haden said Friday that he spoke last week with a contrite Reggie Bush, but that embattled 2005 Heisman Trophy winner did not apologize for actions that played a major role in the NCAA's decision to hit the school with severe sanctions.
That contradicts a report by USA Today that Haden had said Bush apologized for those actions.
"Never did he say I'm sorry or I apologize," Haden said. "Never did he say, 'I lied to the NCAA or I took stuff.' "
Maybe I was being naive initially, but in the end, it shouldn't come as a big shock that Bush has continuously denied any wrongdoings and has still refused to apologize at this point in time. If sports are said to reveal character, then this whole NCAA investigation has highlighted what a typical egotistical athlete Bush remains today.
Did Bush receive extra-benefits as a player at USC? Of course. But that's not the reason 'SC fans should find fault with him. Sure, his actions were selfish, but in reality, he was simply seeking a way to capitalize on his talent and athletic abilities. As a college student, if I knew of a way to parlay my writing "skills" into $300,000, I'd certainly be interested.
But where I will always find fault with Bush is that he seemingly left the USC athletic department out in the cold. Granted, he was already putting them in a tough spot to begin with through his actions, which violated NCAA rules, but at the very least, he could have taken steps to help prevent the COI from dropping the hammer as severely as it did.
For starters, he could have repaid Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels the money they lent him when he opted not to sign with their agency. At that point, they likely wouldn't have fled to Yahoo! Sports as quickly as they did. Or, he could have at least cooperated with investigators. Heck, he could have demonstrated some contrition, especially to all those USC fans who sported #5 jerseys during his record-breaking 2005 season.
Instead, when Paul Dee and company came knocking on his door, he simply placed another stiff-arm on the fat boy's head, and defiantly denied any wrongdoings.
"When this is all said and done, everybody will see at the end of the day we've done nothing, absolutely nothing wrong," Bush declared back in 2006.
Now, Bush seems to be humming the same tune. Let me guess.
"We've done nothing wrong. We're the victims here."
Sorry Reggie, we're not buying it.
We wanted to buy it in 2006. In 2008, 2009, and even 2010, many of us were even still on your side.
We wanted to believe in a player we had all come to love. He couldn't be another egotistical athlete. He was different, right? He was the guy who brought the swagger back to the Coliseum. He helped make USC football flashy, exciting, exhilarating, and everything it should be - on the field at least.
But at the end of the day, Bush further demonstrates a failure to understand the fabric of America. We're a forgiving society. Just asked Andy Pettite. All you have to do is show some contrition; show that you care. In short, just say you're sorry. We'll give you another chance.
Instead, this ordeal demonstrates that Bush doesn't care about doing anything of the sort, and well, that's fine. Just don't ever expect to visit the beautuful downtown Los Angeles oasis that runs from Jefferson to Exposition. In short, get lost and don't ever come back.
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Great post!
Fuck him…
he is dead to all of us…
I don’t care how his career ends up.
he could have helped SC but he chose to be selfish…
his call to haden was a sham.
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
by Paragon SC on Aug 13, 2010 6:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
From the rock opera "Tommy"
“Let’s forget him better still”
"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
What's the point?
PH said RB was contrite , but never said I apologize. I’m not sure what he wants to convey here. I AM NOT making any recommendation as to how RB is viewed/received by the USC community and fans. Everyone will have to sort that out for themselves and IMHO there is no right or wrong. Many will never change how they feel about Reggie; who can blame them. Others will forgive because that is what their personal convictions and belief system dictates; that’s ok too. I am just not sure why Pat wants to make the distinction being contrite and saying " I’m sorry".
I would prefer he be contrite than say the words. Of course I would hope Reggie is both contrite and apologizes.
Maybe It doen’t matter, maybe it’s too late.
"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
Maybe he is largely innocent of the allegations?
I still haven’t seen the evidence to support the vast majority of NCAA allegations. Reggie is definitely guilty of having bad parents and associating with the wrong crowd.
But, Reggie did not “lead” USC to a 4-year probation. An incompetent AD with a deficient compliance strategy in combination with a vindictive NCAA and an incredibly successful, high profile football team lead USC to probation. Also, add in sports tabloid journalism as major players. Reggie was a participant in the fiasco, but not the leader. This would have all been largely averted if USC had a capable AD in place.
Death to the NCAA!!!
I can understand your point of view and agree to a great extent
but this whole thing would have been swept under the rug if RB had paid back the money (with interest) he and his family took from Michaels and Lake as soon as he decided to dump them.
It was RB’s refusal to settle up that led to this debacle. RB is a poor excuse of a man.
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I agree, He should have settled
this all would have gone away. I don’t hate Reggie though, he took the money out of weakness not malice. The NCAA’s version of right and wrong is not mine, and I will not allow that vindictive institution to dictate my morality.
There was malice alright, Reggie’s malice was not wanting to pay the money back, and it’s not like he didn’t have the resources.
History has taught us that in most cases the cover-up can be far worse than the crime.
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Which begs the question, why didn't he pay it back?
He purportedly received $50 mil in endorsement contracts as a rookie. What’s a few thousands or even hundreds of thousands to Reggie?
It just doesn’t pass the logic test to me that he didn’t WANT to pay what he owed. I believe these were Lamar’s debts that Reggie was sued for, and Reggie may or may not have known about them.
Reggie never lost in court, so I refuse to accept the claims of Michaels and Lake at face value.
Death to the NCAA!!!
Exactly Dallas it was Lamar's BS and Reggie being a stepson probably hates the Prick (ball less) anyway.
This such a sham that it shouldn’t affect USC, I will bet 20% of ncaa fb players have parents with to much outstanding debt and are looking to score off there offsprings, sad that it be. At least my parents never pulled that shit on me, they just taught me the value of a dollar.
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I suspect something of the sort
I believe that Reggie probably owed them money — the disagreement was over how much. I suspect that when Lake first approached the Bush camp he probably wanted an outrageous sum of money, and they balked. In addition I would bet that while Reggie may have known money was changing hands he may not have been up to date on all the particulars of money that didn’t go directly to him. When approached he most likely felt like he was being shook down and went to the lawyers. The instead of selling the case it became a macho thing — you are going to get the best of me — and things spiraled out of control. Remember he settled up with Michaels pretty quickly, maybe he was more forthright in his demands? I’m not saying what he did was good, but he took the money to help his family (even if his step father proved to not be the best person in the world), his great prize was a 10 year old chevy. I am not happy about what he did, but I can’t hate him.
Disagree to an extent
Reggie took gifts and money. For goodness sake, HBO got LaMar Griffen on tape saying that Reggie is going to pay you back. I’d hardly call that a tabloid source. So, I think it’s relatively clear that Bush and even more so his parents took stuff. I mean, there are receipts.
However, there is a big difference between Bush taking stuff and USC having prior knowledge. I’m totally with you in regards to ‘SC not having full knowledge. I’m not sure that has been adequately proven. But I do think we’ve seen enough evidence demonstrating that Bush and his parents did some shady stuff.
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by Joey Kaufman on Aug 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that Lamar did a lot of talking for Reggie
without Reggie’s prior agreement, and probably even knowledge.
Death to the NCAA!!!
by DFWTrojan on Aug 14, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know this happen I remember that a$$hat saying his stuff in articles about when RB would turn pro and seeing him at away FB games on TV.
Dude reminds me of the williams sisters father a complete scum-bag.
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 15, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
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He's a thief
The biggest thing that shows Reggie’s true character is that he (and his low life parents) thought it was all right to steal from Lake. When he decided to not use Lake as his agent, he should have payed him back. But he thought it was perfectly OK to steal from this guy.
by Trojan Conquest on Aug 14, 2010 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
THIS!!!!!!!!!!
LET’S GIVE YOU A WHACK WITH THE RECHAMMER!
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This hypothesis fails the logic test, and lacks substantive proof
You may believe Lake, but I do not.
Death to the NCAA!!!
Nice work Joey
And you’re 100% right on this one issue: we Trojans and, America in general- will forgive him IF and only IF he apologizes and somewhat comes clean.
Here’s the thing, I’ve been one of the more vocal voices of wanting ex-AD Mike Garrett’s resignation and Reggie Bush’s apology/testimony. But as stated before, I wasn’t happy when Garrett was finally shown the door and I sure as heck am not happy with Reggie’s UN-apology.
I don’t know, maybe I’m “new-skool” or whatever? But I’d take Reggie Bush back in a heart-beat if he lived up to being what a Trojan truly is- honest, forthright, and wealthy. (totally just kidding on the last one????). Seriously, the young man should spend some Lloyd Lake settlement-money on a good PR campaign, get BETTER LAWYERS than he retained for the Lloyd Lake/NCAA fiasco, admit to what he and his family have done, and refute certain illegalities or issues that they’re all alleged to have done. Come clean, already.
If Reggie wants to cement his lore as a college football hero, he would do well to meet with the Heisman representatives and publicly return his Heisman- not because he didn’t EARN IT, because he did. He should return the damn thing because he doesn’t deserve it. For these two important reasans: because what he has done to his teammates, and especially because of what he has done to himself.
Now THAT’S CONTRITION! And so, I protest, Reggie will become more mythical than a hero by giving up his Heisman, he will have become a man right before our very eyes.
I mean really! Wouldn’t THAT be something?
Trojan for life, means exactly that. Never, ever will I turn my back on Reggie. I just wish I (we) weren’t put in the position to have to make a choice in this matter. And the only reason it doesn’t matter to me one way or another right now, that the USC Trojan family has to disassociate ourselves from Reggie Bush- is because it’s not by our own volition that we do so. As shocked as we all were to find out about the Griffins, Bush, Michaels, and Lake dealings, we shouldn’t let these feelings of disappointment get the better of us. The better of us requires us to find peace in all this, not harbor resentment or vindictiveness. The better of us requires us to band together in tough times to preserve all that is dear to our hearts and protect those of us in less fortunate situations and circumstances. Yeah, Reggie blew it- and on more than one occasion, but in times like this. . . . . .a guy like Reggie Bush mostly needs those that care for him to wait- until he’s ready to come clean, and be open to listen to his side of the story. We need to be ready to accept his apology when/if he makes it- but if we turn our back on him, we might not ever get it. There’s a better chance at getting an apology from him if we expect one from him- we absolutely WON’T receive one if we turn our backs on him. (no expectation)
We saw what he accomplished- all those insane runs and catches!!!!! He earned that Heisman. In my eyes, he doesn’t deserve it. Not anymore, at least.
He probably doesn’t agree with my sentiments, but I hope he understands them.
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"Never, ever will I turn my back on Reggie".
What – you think he cares? He burned you folks to a crisp, and can’t even say he’s sorry.
Loyalty is one thing. Blind allegiance is for fools.
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by Pete the Streak on Aug 17, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
What's more foolish
My blind allegiance or your commenting on it. What a tool?
"Fun fact: My grandma actually had 7 carries for 79 yards and one TD last year against Stanford. The (Oregon Ducks) spread option just works like that, but it helped that she’s pretty scrappy" (JShufelt- Addicted to Quack)
by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 19, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Why even place the call?
We don’t know what is going on behind the scenes.
You never know if there is a lawsuit coming so why have any discussions with anyone from SC? I heard on sports center this morning that Haden had to get permission to take the call…not sure how accurate that is but let’s go with it.
Anyone else think that SCs lawyers want to know exactly what was said…think they may want to use it later?
This guy really is stupid
I am just a new boy...A stranger in this town
Where are all the good times...Who's gonna show this stranger around?
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Disagree
It took huge balls to make the call. There is no lawsuit filed, so there is no reason that the call could not be made at this time. Whose to say that Reggie didn’t want to offer up his assistance to Haden, as he may have tried and been rebuffed by the buffoon Garrett.
Death to the NCAA!!!
Why make the call if he did not apologize...
What’s the point?
What did he hope to accomplish by calling Haden?
As for a lawsuit…all I am saying is that he is better off saying nothing…I mean tat is what he has done up to this point, right?
I am just a new boy...A stranger in this town
Where are all the good times...Who's gonna show this stranger around?
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
It's a valid question that requires conjecture to answer
We simply don’t know what was REALLY discussed, why he really called, or if he had tried to contact Garrett in the past.
Maybe Reggie is preparing a lawsuit in parallel with USC and McNair’s lawsuits? I understand the emotion, but think that we are making many leaps on the facts.
Death to the NCAA!!!
This
Exactly. Way call if your not apologizing. Of course Haden may have felt Reggie didn’t while Reggie felt that he did. Reggie may feel that the act of contrition is, in and of itself an apology. I personally take no exception to how anyone falls on this, one side or the other. I believe in forgiveness. For me a sincere apology and act of contrition would be accepted; but that’s just me. It’s more about my belief system and the hope that my mistakes will be forgiven. Just sayin’.
"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
Can we just let him go.
Really, at a certain point, y’all just have to let Reggie Bush go.
I have never completely understood the popular saying: “It is what it is” since it is often said at inappropriate times.
Well, here is a perfect example of saying “It is what it is” and moving on.
Right now, it’s like Reggie is in the rear-view mirror, but y’all can’t stop staring at him. Well, maybe it’s time to rip out the mirror and look ahead.
It’s not that Reggie is dead to me, it’s more that I care as much about Reggie Bush as I do the starting left guard at Wazzou. He’s not on my childhood NFL team (Da Bears!), he no longer plays or is associated with my alma mater and he is not on my fantasy teams. (For fantasy purposes, MJD is a much better player than Reggie, blasphemous as that may be.)
Please, can y’all make this the penultimate Reggie post and move on. I’d much rather read and comment on the kids playing right now on all USC teams, from Barkley to Nikola to the woman with one of the greatest athlete names of all time, Alex Jupiter!
So how about a collective Fuck You to Reggie and a Fight On! to the kids now representing.
And let’s move on.
Don't disagree...
Many of us have moved on but this knuckle head keeps popping up when you least expect it.
I wish he would just go away but his comments in this instance piss people off…
Sometimes it is just hard to ignore.
I am just a new boy...A stranger in this town
Where are all the good times...Who's gonna show this stranger around?
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
It's easy to ignore
Or, instead of a long vent, how about sacrasm.
I would have posted something like this.
“Reggie Bush is contrite but does not apologize. In other news, Lindsay Lohan say rehab helped her, plans to score some blow the day she gets out.”
But really, Reggie refusing to admit culpability and the anger of USC fans is no longer news or interesting.
I'm still with Pete
and feel like Reggie is a part of the family who was led astray. I don’t hate him. I am disappointed in him.
- I hate the NCAA. Reggie did not corrupt the NCAA. It was already corrupted.
- I am disgusted with Lamar who seems to have dragged Reggie into this mess.
- I am angry with Mike Garrett for his arrogance and incompetence. A more-focused compliance plan, and some basic fkn common sense re: Ornstein, Guillory, etc., and some contrition and savvy in dealing with the NCAA and the press, AND USC would not be in the shit nearly as deep as we are.
Death to the NCAA!!!
by DFWTrojan on Aug 14, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Rec’d, because I wish I had said that
"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
Yes to all of that...
But RB could have ended it if he had paid back (with interest) the money he and Lamar “borrowed” from his low life friends. Like it or not, Lake paid for that piece of shit Chevy and its ghetto accouterments.
For God’s sake, it’s not like Bush couldn’t afford to pay Michaels and Lake, and any lawyer could have arranged their permanent silence. Yahoo would have gotten exactly nothing.
By his arrogance, Bush threw McNair, PC, Garrett and USC under the bus, for what amounted to a fistful of dollars. He was stupid beyond belief, since it’s going to cost him more in lost endorsements now that he’s considered to be “tainted.”
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Rumor was Lake wanted a bit more than the 300K he said he loaned Bush
Rumor was that he wanted 10-15 million to keep quiet.
Does it really matter?
In the end the settlement is always some fraction of the claim. It always begins with some bullshit number, I heard it was a cool million. RB did pay, didn’t he?
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On the other hand,
would you roll over in an extortion. we just don’t know the facts, other than Reggie was clearly a victim of an extortion plot.
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Yes, Lake went fo the shakedown but it was Bush that opened the door
He. Took. Money
Look a the wannabe gangsta posing on the automotive version of Monica Lewinsky.
Makes you want to vomit.
If it had been an extortion plot, RB’s lawyer would have gone to the cops, but of course he didn’t.
Lamar may have gone first, but Reggie followed once he thought he could get away with it. Last week he called Haden to say he was “contrite” and had made a series of “mistakes” but he still refuses to apologize. Enough.
For four years I wanted to believe him, no more. This was a double cross between two low life scumbag gangsters. Nothing more. If RB had a shred of honor he would have paid Lake and buried his cheating and his stupidity, it would have been a pittance compared to the damage he’s done to his image.
No amigo, I’m finished, this toilet needs to be flushed and scrubbed clean. I agree with you 99% of the time, but on this we must part.
Bush is no Trojan, he’s just a former student that didn’t graduate, and he disgraced himself. No former student is more important than USC, our USC. It’s time we realize that he never really played for the Trojans, he just played for himself. He deserves our back, and he can roast in hell.
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ALL FOR THIS...
A piece of shit Chevy?! Are those spinners? Arrgh!
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Wait a minute, who are you and what have you done with Zoulu? Y'all?
Next thing you’ll say is that compared to Bush, Tim Floyd was Mother Teresa!
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