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Aahhh!!
This enormous coach will devour us all!
THAT'S SO RETARDED SICK!
11
31
7
156
437 . . . . . . .four-hundred thirty-FUCKING-seven!
That’s right, baby.
We
Are
SC!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
Technically yes
We just sent back the hardware.
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i guess i assumed...
that disassociating would mean pretending he never came to usc in the first place. which would mean we can’t reference any of his accomplishments
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
USC was never required by the NCAA to throw out non-NCAA awards or unretire his number
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so what constitutes disassociating?
they have to unretire his number and remove pictures of him at the stadium, but they can tout his heisman in the media guide?
i’m not trying to be obstinate, i just really am curious if anyone knows what all they have to do, and what they are doing on their own…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I see where you're confused
We did not have to unretire the number or remove the giant jersey from the Coliseum or wipe his images away, those were choices we made on our own. We can tout him as a Heisman Trophy winner because that’s what he is. “Reggie Bush is a Heisman Trophy winner” is still a true sentence because that was an individual award given to him, not us, and the NCAA can’t take that away from him. Our trophy was the copy.
Disassociation mostly is about not allowing the player to influence recruiting in any way; we can’t brag to a future RB recruit “Hey this is where Reggie played” or show recruits tape of him playing for us. He also cannot make donations to the university, and cannot be given special tickets or access that an ordinary joe could not get. Disassociation literally means not associating with the person. We can do pretty much whatever we want about his history.
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USC may have sent the hardware back
but, it’s Reggie’s award, and he keeps it regardless of USC’s actions. the Heisman is an individual honor.
Death to the NCAA!!!
oh, i didn't even notice that..
that’s weird, why wouldn’t they have the typical socal weather everyone raves about
even the weather hates lane kiffin.
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Fantastic allegory!
Caesar was assassinated by his cowardly rivals and storm clouds have gathered over the Empire. The future looks dim, but Octavian stands undaunted. Soon enemies will be driven into exile, and he will conquer the world at Actium.
Death to the whore Cleopatra NCAA!
Death to the traitorous Marc Antony SEC!
Death to the cowardly Lepidus Pac-10!
All Hail Augustus Kiffin!
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USC football fantastic-----------Death to the Ncaa-----PRICELESS
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
37 Days?
Waikiki hotel? Check.
Plane tickets? Check.
Game tickets? Purchsed today, check.
Ahh…37 days…
by RunTravelerRun on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
Nice I also got my away game tickets today can’t wait for the season to star are there any other CC members going to Hawaii for the first? We should get together for drinks
by Dodgermanramon on Jul 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a lot of championships
but shouldn’t it be 9 since LSU won the national championship in 2003 and With all the W’s taken away in 2009 including orange bowl win. That’s 9 including all the split championships counted in 28, 32, 39, 74, and 78.
USC includes Associated Press national titles. Get over it.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised a bruins would be talking about split championships.
You honestly didn’t see the hypocrisy?
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have misunderstood
I did count all the split championship (5 overall). But in 2003 LSU won the BCS championship hence considered the national champions. AP title sounds nice though. Even if you count that one, that is still 10.
I didn't misunderstand anything.
Last time I checked, the BCS isn’t the one and only official college football title. This argument was played out four years ago.
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
USC still has the 2004 national title according to the AP
AP said they have no plans to take it away, and BCS is still undecided about ’04 title as well even if wins have already been vacated.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 27, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
So why don't you sue the University of Southern California's Media department, good luck.
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 27, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
11 is correct.
For you to count “split-titles” in all years besides 2003 and 2004 is quite selective of you. We all know that the AP title is just as legitimate as, if not more so than, the BCS. The BCS can hardly be called unbiased, and is a passing fad. The AP title, however, has stood the test of time and will be with us for many years to come, at least until we can create a playoff system. (So yeah, it’ll be here for a while yet.) USC: 11 National Titles.
by cml4sinatra on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bruin dude is a joke, but “We all know that the AP title is just as legitimate as, if not more so than, the BCS”… you really believe that? I’ve never seen anyone say that.
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-Hank Hill
I believe it 100%
The BCS is especially heinous because it denies the ability of teams to win a championship before games are played. How many times in history has a team not ranked #1 or #2 before the bowls won the title? The BCS rigs the system.
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but I would say that is better than a system that doesn’t match up the #1 and #2 teams. I don’t think you can have it both ways.
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-Hank Hill
bottom line is if you ask teams what their goal is, it’s to win the BCS and bring home a crystal ball. You don’t hear teams talking about how they want to win the AP. It’s still a legit title for teams to claim, and I’m glad it exists because sometimes the current system is inadequate when you have 3 possible contenders. It’s a good safety net that allows a second team to be recognized when they have a legit claim to a MNC. But it’s largely a consolation prize in the mind of most people.
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-Hank Hill
If the shoe was on the other foot......
I don’t think Alabama or any school would TURN down the AP Championship
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LOL
“we’d claim it proudly”. You have to see the humor; coming from a Tide fan. How many do you proudly claim now? 32? No, it’s 13. 12 none BCS. How many split? Don’t even get me started on 1978, for God’s sake WE BEAT YOU!
really? You sound like a Bruin/Auburn fan.
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EPIC FAIL
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No (by Tide fan. I ment you)
I am a SC fan. I have always respected the Tide, and I don’t take exception to the title claims. We did beat you in 1978; your only loss, and we split the championships.
as far as 1978 is concerned, it’s true you beat us head to head. But you also had a loss. We beat #10 Nebraska, #11 Missouri, and finished the year by beating #1 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl. So I’m perfectly fine with the 1978 title.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I think we'd prefer it, as well
since it’s always nicer to beat the second-best team in the country than the fourth-best.
In this particular case, though, winning a national title in the rose bowl was special, too.
I don't disagree
However there is a sizable group that hates the BCS enough they wouldn’t.
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
my 2 cents....
I believe that you could make the claim that in the specific case of 2003 the AP NC was more legit. The MNC is really all about public opinion/perception and no one who setup the BCS would have ever guessed that a team ranked #1 in BOTH polls would not make it into the “NC” game. The perception was that USC was the best team in the country and was further reinforced when they beat the crap out of Michigan. The sentiment was so strong that some of the voters in the Coaches poll voted for USC as #1 despite their contractual obligation to vote for LSU.
I think it is very telling that the BCS, after this instance, re-tooled their formula so that this will NEVER happen again. I mean if they really believed that the BCS formula used was a legitimate way to pick the best 2 teams, why would they do that?
Also, don’t you think it’s weird that LSU fans, the BCS champions, have shouted at the top of their lungs since that day that they are the “true” NC. Whereas USC fans really don’t care that it’s a split title.
So I would disagree, that in this specific instance of the BCS era, the AP was a consolation prize.
That being said, I am rational enough so say I have no idea if USC would have beaten LSU or Oklahoma that year. I think USC would have but we will never know.
This just in from RBR (Matt Dover) on July 26, 2010
"The early days of college football were characterized by the lack of an established system for declaring a national champion, and titles from this era can be highly contentious since schools have a great deal of discretion in choosing which ones to claim (more on this below). This all changed however in 1950 with the advent of what can be referred to as the “dual-poll era”.
In was in that year that United Press (later UPI) began organizing a weekly coaches’ poll in an effort to create such an established system. Since that time, the coaches’ poll (now sponsored by USA Today and ESPN), along with the Associated Press poll that had already become widely established by 1950, has been viewed as one of two widely accepted authorities in crowning a college football national champion. For 60 years now, it has become generally accepted that the team(s) that finishes #1 in the final vote of the two major polls is considered national champion. Over the course of those 60 years, the two major polls have mostly been in accord with one another, crowning the same champion 49 times, with eleven exceptions (a.k.a. split national championships), leaving us with 71 national championship teams from the era."
I will emphasize “For 60 years now, it has become generally accepted that the team(s) that finishes #1 in the final vote of the two major polls is considered national champion”
I’m in total agreement with the italicized part. Do people even realize that the BCS Championship game is barely 12 years old? When it comes to those who won’t recognize the AP Champion and the BCS Champion (sometimes, yes- they are the same. other times not! get over it)- did you JUST START loving college football?
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 28, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
2003 was especially weird because USC was ranked #1 in both polls entering bowl season and then completed dominated the Rose bowl but was not ranked # 1 in both polls after the bowls were finished. I’m not much of a college football historian and my memory does not go back that far, but has that ever happened before?
More legitimate in the sense that
The AP by and large doesn’t gain by their selections in the poll. The BCS, however uses the Coaches Poll which is a huge conflict of interest (even if it is filled out by assistants, perhaps especially so.) Further, the ballots are kept secret so improprieties are hidden from the public. Finally, they are bound by contract to vote the winner of the NCG #1 in their poll. This forced them to choose LSU ahead of USC in ‘03, which didn’t represent their original choice. It’s not like either USC or LSU did anything in their bowl games that year to merit reversing their order. So the AP is more legitimate? I think s.
by cml4sinatra on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Selective for a good reason
BCS is in place to determine the national champion on the field and not by polls. We had no better way of determining a college champion pre-BCS. AP title sounds nice though.
You do realize polls are the main source of picking the two teams right?
If the polls get that that part wrong, you don’t have the right two teams to play it out on the field. The examples of that are quite numerous. Again, my lord this is an old argument.
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm...
The polls are a large part of the formula used to determine who plays in BCS “National Championship” game. Nothing changed about split championships pre or post BCS. But the AP national championship is very nice! Thank you! Hopefully UCLA can win it one day! =)
It's only a matter of time...
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UCLA has more NC's than any other University
The most championships despite being a younger school by decades. Look at the bigger picture Viterbi, there is more than just football.
And that has what to do with your original point?
You made the point, you are changing the topic for a reason. Love how bruins always default to women’s softball when cornered.
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
In a world where the NCAA awards football titles
and basketball titles are awarded by a wire service, we’d be exactly tied.
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Excuse my reckless math,
We’d be up by 3.
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And while, yes,
USC is 39 years older than UCLA, the NCAA was formed 30 years after USC, giving us a mere 9 year headstart.
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I agree with ev, it’s a bit unfair to change topics in the middle of a discussion, UCLA having more championships has nothing to do with your original post. But I will readily agree that UCLA has a wonderful and storied athletic history (I was a fan when I was younger! I know, I will hang my head in shame now). I was simply implying that UCLA sucks at football….which they do. =)
They certainly don't
Don’t be ashamed, UCLA is one of the best in the world. I was not changing topics, merely making a point that even though we have not had the success USC has had in football, overall it’s ahead of USC in every other category you can imagine. (and it was accomplished without cheating a la bush, payo, mcknight, et al..
Except for that Women's softball ringer
Which you conveniently forgot.
Oh yeah, there is that Sam Gilbert person too . . .
Really Zoulou?
There is Sam Gilbert? Are you sure it’s not some mythical character concocted by a few Bruin haters to disparage UCLA’s basketball program? Are you really sure?
Yes, really!
Here’s Tanya Haring, the Ringer from Down Under. Responsible for getting ucla’s softball championship vacated and the program placed on probation. At least Reggie is good looking…
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There you go again
“a few Bruin haters”
What rock have you been living under? Just in case you want to start learning a bit about the “purity” of ucla basketball, check out this article in the LA Times
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Without cheating my lord
Classic bruin, like Sam never existed. Yes and Wooden was too trusting. What a joke. You were absolutely changing the subject. You went from nothing but football, to no talk about football.
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
This kid is so uninformed, it's really sad.
USC has 9 more Swimming and Diving championships, 16 more Track and Field championships, 12 more baseball championships, and 3 more Tennis championships than UCLA.
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by RabbitSC on Jul 27, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ucla is a Title IX factory
That is how little brother ucla decided to compete against Cal, USC and Stanford.
ucla has more women’s titles, USC has more men’s titles. Now, admit you’d give up all those softball and gymnastics trophies(or your left nut) for one Football Championship and we can talk.
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never!
love all them sports, i thought we are already talking Agrippa
Hmm, in that case, why play football at all? Just stick to what you're good at!
They are sooooo cute!
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Ours would be cuter. If we had them!
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We're out of rides thanks to NCAA restrictions
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Btw, I donate to ucla women's gymnastics. Lol!
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The only thing the BCS does is make sure that the #1 team plays the #2 team in a bowl game, something that wasn’t the case before. Of course, this does produce a de-facto national champion.
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The NC of the BCS system
Don’t think for a minute it isn’t a system and one that can be gamed too. The BCS has never claimed to be the one and only MNC, even the whats his name of the SEC who invented the damn thing didn’t do that. There is a reason it says the BCS NC/Coaches Poll on the trophy and it isn’t just for naming rights.
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
In my humble opinion
The flaw in this system is that it still uses the opinions of people (the polls, many of whom can’t possibly follow all of the teams, I mean I would assume a head coach would have better things to do) and computers (it’s virtually impossible create an algorithm to determine who are the best teams because there are entirely too many variables to consider) to determine the top 2 teams. At a certain point, at least in my opinion, it is impossible to tell who are the two best teams simply because they do not play each other and their opponents are so dissimilar (this is not the NFL where everyone is to some degree equal). Also there is no transitive property in sports, A>B & B>C, does not necessarily mean A>C, so even comparing common opponents is difficult. Personally, I think there won’t be a true “national champion” without a playoff and there is always the possibility of a split title. But at the same time, all of the debate is what make college football fun!
If the BCS takes away the 2004
it will represent more than the bruins have won in the last 50 years
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Correct me if I'm wrong but
ucla’s LONE NC in 1954? was split
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So you do see the hypocrisy but made the point anyway
by ev on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He sees it now
No problemo #2?
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Amazing!
USC football, where we can win a championship with zero wins! They should just give USC the BCS trophy this year in August, why bother playing any games?
You know, you little rat
If we went over to your site and posted something negative about your school, even if it was true, we’d be banned and our posts deleted. The least you can do is show a little respect and get your facts straight in a place where your opinion, however worthless and ignorant, is accepted.
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Flagged! bRuin TROLL
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You are right
I should not really be posting here. This is my last one. The fact is I have only posted the facts, I can’t help that you see them as negative. My comments have always shown respect, unlike the responses I have received. Just read back your own post as an example. This site may not ban as quickly as some, but the intolerance of the members here effectively prevent anyone other than Trojans fans to comment.
even though we have not had the success USC has had in football, overall it’s ahead of USC in every other category you can imagine.
Your words, and they’re not facts. Don’t claim they’re respectful either, that is CLEARLY an inflammatory post, and when it was countered, you ignored it.
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Does the Princeton media guide
reference their “28 CHAMPIONSHIPS?”
Does anyone ever stop to think there are more titles claimed than there are years?
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Are you really trying to explain something we don't already know?
I know college football is not a strong suit for bruins, but yes the Princeton media guide actually does reference their 28 championships. Amazing don’t you think, but then they don’t have the academics of a UCLA.
by ev on Jul 28, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
I have never liked the AP and I really don’t like them even more now. That’s my bias though.
But I do have a problem accepting the fact that the AP is the end all beat all of all rankings throughout the dawn of history. Princeton has 28 titles, Yale 27. None of them matter if you ask me because there was no consensus back then. I would rather count undisputed titles whether it be BCS or AP/UPI consensus titles.
As far as the Heisman’s, well, the next time you all win one, if you claim 8 I have to call bs on the whole giving the throphy back thing.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 28, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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