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Hilarious!
The Titans haven’t heard of the 13th amendment; you know, the one having to do with the abolition of slavery.
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LOL
I was just thinking of that as well. Seriously, Pola can’t explore other jobs? Typical arrogant NFL.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor little Tit-ans...
What is this, the Lawyers’ Full Employment Act of 2010?
If this goes through you might want to reconsider your career options Joey!
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I'm all ears
But seriously, I’m trying to figure out why Fisher and co. are spending so much time/energy to be compensated for the loss of a positions coach, especially when they start training camp on Sunday. Shouldn’t they be worried about the season. How does this help them at all?
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Money...get a little payday...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
This poisons the water hole
I can’t imagine Roger Godell being happy about it as it could unleash a rift between the NFL and their college farm system. It’s going to take another beer summit to straighten this out!
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At this point I don't think it's Fisher
This had Bud Adams’ fingerprints all over it. Looks like he’s becoming a Southern Fried version of Al Davis, haha!
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I really hope it's not Fisher
But in the meanwhile, I’m beginning to think the whole state of Tennessee is insane.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I would bet that the word Insane= Tennessee
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
Oh and when in Alabama just run over those Crosses
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 26, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep! When you look in the dictionary this is what it says:
Tennessee: insane, crazy, loco, mental, schizoid, 5150, mad, unhinged, sick, disturbed, excited, demented, harebrained, crazy, unrestrained, delirious, brain-sick, huffy, unbalanced, sore, frantic, harebrained, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
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+1 Fisher would have 0 say in a business litigation decision
There’s an entire level of management above Fisher who manage these issues for the owner.
Guess the Titans want to stop the mean COLLEGE bullies from picking on them.
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It doesn't really hurt them
May be a minor distraction, may be something they can rally around a little. It’s not like Fisher’s involved in the lawsuit in any significant way.
It's the south Loco, if you haven't been there in awhile most still believe in the old ways of the Confederate.
I can’t believe they filed a law suit what a waste of money, but I guess since they already have their lawyers on retainers why not have them do something.
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
Oh and when in Alabama just run over those Crosses
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 26, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know what grounds that they would have
suing Kiffin. Maybe Pola could be sued, but all Kiffin did was offer a guy a job. As far as I know Kiffin isn’t bound by any anti-tampering rules. Maybe he could be sued for tempting someone to breach their contract.
Coaches like everyone else have the right to change jobs
It’s a nothing suit, otherwise the NFL might need too look in the mirror and won’t like what they find. In fact that would go for just about everyone at a job. Could you imagine that one?
Holy Teen-Titans!
Why are they acting like putzes? Like adolescents? It was just a freaking telephone call!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wouldn’t have made a difference, and there are no “tampering” laws for coaches! What. The. Fuck.
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I wonder if the statute of limitations
has run out for USC to sue the Cleveland Browns over Carl Smith…
This is beyond ridiculous.
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LOL
Dozens of talented NFL assistants across the country just crossed the Titans off the list of places they’d want to work.
this is my signature! there are many like it but this one is mine!
Ridonkulous!
So when do we file suit against the Seahawks?
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by Marsella McCarver on Jul 26, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Remember Bud Adams flipping off Bills fans last November?
Time to hang it up Bud:
"I need to apologize for my actions yesterday near the end of the game. I got caught up in the excitement of a great day, but I do realize that those types of things shouldn’t happen. I need to specifically apologize to the Bills, their fans, our fans and the NFL. I obviously have a great deal of respect for Ralph Wilson and the history we have shared. I also understand there will probably be league discipline for my actions and I will accept those."
— Titans Owner K.S. “Bud” Adams, Jr.
Not even Al Davis is this classy and Southern fried!
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Great find from our good friends from Reign of Troy
Just spoke to a lawyer: USC would have to have known about the provision in contract about Pola not being able to entertain offers
Hard to find ‘SC totally responsible hear. What Titans are saying is that Kiffin should know the details of Pola’s contract Tennessee. That’s impossible.
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Correction
*responsible here
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So I guess this is what happed
Bud Adams: Ticket sales are down. We need to figure something out.
Marketing Director #1: We could make some billboards.
Bud Adams: No, that’s what Arte Moreno does. It’s not our thing. Any other suggestions?
….Silence….
Marketing Director #2: We could sue Lane Kiffin….?
Everyone: Perfect!
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I think we have grounds for a change of venue out of the state of tennessee...


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I just noticed this but
why is Bryce Brown’s name in the bottom right corner?
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Hold on.
let me get my

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by Zoltar on Jul 26, 2010 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just got a message form someone I trust...If this wasn't in Tennessee this would be thrown out immediately
total PR move by the Titans!
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Lets get it on?
Be careful what you wish for.
Anyway, it’s a bit bothersome to see this site suddenly descend into Bruins Nation delusional partisanship.
Easy Zou!
Delusional, no. Excited, maybe?
Delusional and partisanship aren’t mutually exclusive, by the way when it comes to bRuins.
However. . . . . . . still, . . . . WE ARE. . . . .SC!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Delusional?
This case is a total joke. How the hell is Lane Kiffin responsible for knowing the details of Kennedy Pola’s contract. That isn’t something that’s made public.
And since we’re all delusional here, can you explain how we’re wrong?
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, well get in line....you aren't the first and won't be the last to make that charge.
I really don’t care.
Bo you have anything else to offer? You’re an Atty why not bring something to the table for a change?
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Lighten up, buddy
we’re just having some fun, too many serious people, life’s too short…..
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Zoulou isn't far off the mark
When I made a crack about homerism yesterday, this is what I’m talking about. Homerism means a delusional loss of a grip on reality. A homer is the kind of guy that screams “pass interference” when there was clearly a nice play made by the other club. Homers scream about getting ripped off by refs. Homers make accusations of other programs with no basis to do so. Homers won’t admit when their own team sucks or when their own coach or players are boneheads.
Maybe this isn’t BruinsNation or NDNation level homerism, but it’s homerism nonetheless. People need to be rational and realize that it’s not good for SC to look like this.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I support the team unconditionally...
I don’t have all the info on this…neither do you. And I am not going to buy into every single negative comment about the coach that I read.
He wasn’t my choice but he is ours and I will support him. You want to buy into what others say w/out all the info you’re free to do that.
I don’t apologize for being a homer…it all I have as I am not an alum, that is well documented here. I am not bound by the same things that alums are I just don’t know about it because I never lived it.
You’re free to do what you want but it won’t change as long as I am here…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
I never said you personally were a homer
And I definitely don’t buy into everything negative said about Kiffin, that’s not true.
I think Kiffin gets a lot of garbage from Bruins Nation types. I think a lot of the junk he gets is completely unfair.
I also think that often, he perpetuates some of this crap. You have to admit that he does.
The biggest thing I dislike is the “all or nothing” garbage people fall into. Defending Kiffin non-stop unconditionally (SC homerism) or ripping him non-stop unconditionally (other homerism). It is what it is- he has great potential and I think he’s a good guy. Writers that rip on him and call him a “brat” are idiots. At the same time, though, it seems unwise to unconditionally defend a guy when he makes choices that make SC look bad.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brad, I think you are off the mark
Is there some homerism on this site? yes
Is much of the content fair & balanced? yes, just read Joey’s last few hit pieces. :-)
Is this even close to ND or BN homerism? not even close
Are there some homeristic comments on this issue? yes
Are the majority of Kiffin supporting comments homeristic? no
Is the MSM biased against Kiff and USC? oh, hell yeah
Because informed opinions are not aligned with yours, does not make these commenters homers. Coaches jump jobs more often than John Stamos gets laid. Kiffin made a great move to help our football team win. The Titan lawsuit is primarily a PR play. The majority of the MSM will always spin their reporting into an anti-Kiffin/USC theme.
That is not homerism. That is opinion supported by a wealth of supporting evidence. It just so happens to differ from your opinion.
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BO (something about those initials) is acting like a Ucla reject
Most of us CHOSE to attend USC, what about you BO? Did you miss out on some cheap tuition?
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take it easy...no need to go there...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Sorry boss, guy's starting to piss me off...
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Would you prefer the debate here go something like this?
“I think Kiffin is God.”
“I disagree – I think he is a demigod.”
I think it’s odd that dudes from our fanbase are getting shouted down simply for having critical statements about Kiffin. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve yet to see Zoulou or Homeboy of Brad calling for Kiff’s ouster or anything, and sorry but , yes, this all of nothing, toe the party line tone here is coming dangerously close at times to BN territory.
There's a big difference between saying your piece and moving on
vs. continuing to whine like a little girl.
Since you bring him up, Zou would be an example of the former. He brings up the legal implications as he sees them and debates.
An example of the latter is b.o., who’ got his panties in a bunch over protocol and appearances. Most of us have disagreed but he can’t get over himself.
You seem to be interested in killing the debate. If we criticize the above and you simply brand us as “homers” or “BN’ers.” Neither guy has been banned from the site and they’re free to say what they want. We are free to confront them.
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Cool
Definitely not interested in killing debate, especially amongst Trojans, and I’d hope that everyone who wears our colors here at the end of the day throws ALL their support towards this school and program. I’m one of the dudes who has Kiffin’s back, but I don’t mind him getting called out if a.) it’s not some outsider trying to stir shit and b.) it’s reasonable and coming from a good place.
I don’t think B.O. has crossed that line, but I respect your opinion if you think he has.
Paragon shows extreme tolerance for dissenting views, it keeps this site relevant and informative. His management and openness to debate makes CC the antithesis of BN.
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All good
I think we’re both closer to agreeing than disagreeing here. Let’s keep the discussions going. There’s a reason this has become my one-stop shop for reading Trojan talk.
Sorry but I don't like being called a homer because I back a coach, like I am some idiot.
I didn’t really care for one of our basketball coaches, but I kind of stated it and just moved forward and I didn’t call everyone a homer for disagreeing.
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That's pretty funny.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Kiffin f'ed up big time in this
And USC maybe have to pay some damages for the way this was handled.
Really? some seem to think that this will get thrown out pre-trial.
offer something up or move on
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
The .PDF of the suit is over at FanHouse
read it and get back to us…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Pola is in breach
Clear and simple. Read the allegations and the contract. The complaint does a good job of alleging that.
Paragraph 14 and on is conjecture, yes, they allege Kiffin knew the details of Pola’s contract without providing any facts, but when pleading in most cases, you don’t need to prove your claim, you simply need to allege enough elements to survive a motion to strike. That’s prolly where USC and Kiffin will have to attack the pleading, then Tennessee prolly will counter that clauses in Pola’s contract are standard form clauses in NFL contracts and Kiffin, as a former NFL coach, knew or should have known about the clauses.
That it is customary in the NFL to approach a team before contacting a coach under contact is possibly admissible. Custom generally is admissible for certain things, but I have no idea what Tennessee evidence law is regarding contracts.
I really have no idea if this lawsuit will survive a motion to strike, but Tennessee is in a friendly jurisdiction (Tennessee courts), and either way USC will have to pay lawyers money simply to respond.
Even worse is the PR hit USC is taking. This is very serious. The NFL is a very litigious league, and I’m guessing there is a chance that USC lets Pola go back to Tennessee because of the shitstorm it has caused.
If Pola is in breach...
then they should sue him …not SC not Kiffin…
I really have no idea if this lawsuit will survive a motion to strike, but Tennessee is in a friendly jurisdiction (Tennessee courts), and either way USC will have to pay lawyers money simply to respond.
Doubt it will…
Even worse is the PR hit USC is taking. This is very serious. The NFL is a very litigious league, and I’m guessing there is a chance that USC lets Pola go back to Tennessee because of the shitstorm it has caused.
They may not want him back…and it is clear he doesn’t want to be there.
They make him sit out the year…but ‘SC isn’t in the wrong here. Doubt Kiffin made the move without the higher ups thumbs up…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
"F'ed Up Big Time"???
1) the potential damages are negligible, even if treble are awarded. Tenn will have to prove damages, and the value on Pola is the value of his contract. What’s a young Asst RB coach make, maybe $400k/yr? So, USC at worst gets hit with a $1 mil or so damages claim.
2) Pola will almost certainly counter-sue for breach of contract for some reason or another. Typical counter measuer.
3) There is no proof that USC read Pola’s employment contract, which was certainly confidential between Pola and Tenn.
4) This is a publicity stunt because the Titans are embarrassed at losing a star Asst to a COLLEGE team. A COLLEGE team is bullying an NFL team. Yes, it’s a PR hit to the Titans, not USC. The Titans are the laughing stock of the NFL right now.
You say Kiffin f’d up big-time. I say Kiffin hit a big-time homerun at the expense of a butt hurt NFL franchise.
Death to the NCAA!!!
Nope.
1.) This will never make it to trial.
2.) Doubt it. First, Pola looks like he is in clear breach. What is his counter claim?
3.) Don’t need to read it. Have to prove they knew of it. That’s the highest hurdle to jump.
4.) I’d say they are pissed at losing a coach days before training camp.
True, it will never reach trial
But, both parties will use potential damages to enter settlement negotiations.
The evidence is flimsy, the damages minimal, this is a PR stunt for the state of Tennessee and Bud Adams’ ego.
Death to the NCAA!!!
Folks, this is what comes with Lane Kiffin.
If you’re trying to say Kiffin doesn’t know the tenets of a pro contract, it isn’t going to fly. He had one himself, not too long ago.
I’m not an expert on labor laws, but Pola was under contract. Kiffin, USC and the entire rest of the universe knew it. I don’t know if it’s tampering when outside of NFL to NFL team contact, but even if it turns out it isn’t (and I wouldn’t bet it isn’t), quite frankly it’s bush-league to not ask permission to talk to a coach already under contract.
I know you guys desperately want to believe in your school, team and coach, but seriously – at what point (if there even is one) would you sit back and think “This is my school, and people are trashing it from within. I want USC’s honor back!”?
Wins are great, and lots of wins are better, but what are you guys willing to give up to get them? You’ve already seen what happens when you cut corners and get caught; when do you decide integrity trumps wins?
I’m asking this in all seriousness: deep down, is anyone not the least bit pissed that USC, fairly or not, is now considered a dirty program? And by pissed, I mean at school personnel, not the folks now looking down on USC.
Knowing the result, would you guys (and ladies) do it all over again?
Thanks in advance for any serious – from the heart – replies.
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by Pete the Streak on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions
Clarification may be needed
Would I want us repeating the same mistakes again going forward? No.
Would I trade the last nine years for a more “respectable” program? Hell no.
Per Pete's Theory
Coaches are not allowed to change jobs. Pete, please open your eyes and join us in the real world on occasion.
USC is considered a “dirty” program because of our tremendous success. “Dirty program” is the moniker always given by jealous rivals to tear down the king.
Death to the NCAA!!!
:-)
YES! They’re all just jealous!
Honestly, I think that USC is considered a dirty program because of the conduct of a few individuals associated with it. It’s tough to avoid getting painted with a broad brush.
In that case you should rephrase by adding the words “by some” after the word “considered.” Maybe you weren’t just flaming.
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There's only one, not few
Reggie Bush and his parents. OJ Mayo and Tim Floyd weren’t taken to task in the COI report.
I haven’t done any research, so off the top of my head I can’t figure out where the “few others” are- as it pertains to the Carroll-era of USC sports. Can you?
Let’s define dirty program: A program that has players being paid and/or coaches involving themselves in “NCAA investigation” type behavior. (if that’s alright with you, if not- provide your own and name them)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow how did you know most of the athletic department hasn't done their laundry yet, those ucla people are pretty smart if they know when our clothes are dirty.
GOOD SHOW
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
As a student and legacy of the school
I do care deeply about the school’s reputation, especially in regards to academics, but a lot of the stuff that’s out there right now is really just a ton of B.S. Do I like the fact that the NCAA just concluded a 4-year investigation in regards to a “lack of institutional control?” Of course not. But ‘SC is down right, and a lot of people are just using this as an opportunity to kick the program when it’s down. Not that it doesn’t a warrant a few kicks here and there (several individuals screwed up royally), but it’s getting to the point where it’s pretty excessive.
There are some who call ‘SC “the most scandalous program in modern collegiate athletics.” And to be honest, they’re simply just Westwood fucks preoccupied with ‘SC instead of their own football program that’s been swimming in mediocrity for over a decade. None of care what they say. ‘SC is the west coast version of the Yankees when it comes to college football. People love to take shots, and they’re doing that. I could care less.
It’s important to remember, though, that there’s a difference between perception and reality. Granted, it’d be nice if ‘SC didn’t have the reputation of being a “dirty school,” but whatever. I’m not going to be having sleepless nights simply because the people in Westwood, South Bend, and Knoxville, think it’s a dirty program. Whatever. The facts are facts, and the NCAA found that Reggie Bush took gifts. One guy was named in the report (in regards to football).
I don’t care about perception. It’d be nice to be perceived better, but it is what it is.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't resist. haha.
Just fed up with a lot of the people out there. Get out of our business and move on with your lives.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I respect your opinion
But perception does matter. It matters when a constant stream of shit makes my university look bad.
You are right- I could care less what a bunch of imbecile homers from other parts of the country think. I know my alma mater is an outstanding institution, and I know it has a proud heritage (one that it definitely deserves).
That being said, stuff like this makes USC look bad not just to homers- it makes SC look bad to everyone.
That’s not good. Perception does matter, because often, when people perceive something’s wrong, that’s because it IS.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The recruits don't seem to think so, maybe you are over-analyzing this?
- class last year and off to a rip roaring start this season. Maybe you are overvaluing the perception of our competitors and their fans, and the media who has cast USC as the Evil Empire and PC as Darth Vader.
The perception of current players, future players, students, alums, USC fans, etc seems quite positive despite the onslaught of negativity. Ever heard the expression, “don’t worry about what others think because it’s out of your control. just worry about yourself?”
Death to the NCAA!!!
I'm pissed.
I don’t think SC “cut corners” in the past. I think they certainly did with basketball. Mike Garrett and Tim Floyd screwed up bigtime with basketball. There’s no question that OJ Mayo was cutting corners.
Reggie Bush’s stupidity had nothing to do with his choice to play at USC or his performance at USC. That wasn’t “cutting corners.” Carroll hired an extra coach that had little or no impact. In fact, the team stunk even worse that season. Big wow. Even if that extra coach had been incredible he would’ve had little or no impact.
I don’t buy that the football program “cut so many corners.”
However, I’m aggravated that Mike Garrett continued to make choices and say things that made SC look bad. I am aggravated that Kiffin would continue to make unscrupulous choices that make SC look bad.
Yes, sometimes perceptions don’t matter and it’s better to stand up and fight and rebel and be your own man and stand out. I guess that matters if you’re Abe Lincoln.
Other times, though, perceptions do matter. The kid who dyes his hair and puts in lip rings is being a contrarian idiot, rather than being an individual leader. He looks like a dork. And SC has gone and gotten the equivalent of a raunchy tramp stamp and a nose ring with a move like this. Even if Kiffin and SC’s intent was perfectly clean and honest here, they had to have known it could make them look horrible.
I don’t like how it makes my school look, and it’s obnoxious to hear a bunch of people respond with a “F THE MAN” attitude about it.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, if you guys think "perception" doesn't matter
Then why is Pat Haden our new athletic director as of next week
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if we beleive all the negative about this
it doesn’t look like much has changed does it.
Let it play out…we don’t it all yet…looks like this is on Pola not Kiffin/USC
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"the equivalent of a raunchy tramp stamp"
Dude, what’s up with that?
It’s the way of the world that employees are free to come and go as they please. There is no set protocol between college football and the NFL, no Miss. Manners. If Pola is under contract the NFL has a choice, let the guy go or pay out the contract. But that’s not what the Titans want, they’re opportunists looking to score a few quick bucks and some pity points with their fans. You’re spending too much time over at BN, and you’re choosing buy into their bullshit. All I can say is well done nestor!
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No one is asking you to stay if you don't like what is being said here
If I don’t like what’s on the TV I turn it off…same applies here.
Do as you as must.
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Nah, I think that's too much
I like what you guys think and I enjoy the writing on this site. It’s frustrating, though, to see stuff legitimately come up that makes SC look stupid.
Take Garrett’s comment to the boosters, for example.
Garrett was largely right and we all know it. The idiotic comments in that report about SC’s culture at practices. The stupid comments around college football about SC cheating. The ridiculous accusations against McNair. Inane crap written by people who are envious of SC.
But it was a dumb choice to say that because some of the things in the report were not envious of SC. They were the facts. OJ Mayo should have never come to SC. It was obvious it was sketchy and everyone knew it. Reggie took money and benefits and lied and as dumb as the rules are, they are the rules… and SC should’ve caught it if students at SC at the time could even tell Reggie had some pretty fancy earrings and a pretty nice car.
Either way I guess my point is this. I respect other SC fans and I love this school, and people need to realize how important perception is.
Perception is what turned SC into an academic powerhouse. Bringing in Sample and other leaders and academics told the world that SC was serious about being the best of the best, not just about being a school with a “jocks and rich kids” reputation. SC is now one of the best out there and they did it by making it abundantly clear that academically they were out to be leaders and do it the right way. I don’t see why football can’t do the same thing.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing-
That’s not to say that SC wasn’t a great school before Sample. It was. But Sample took it to new heights by making it clear that SC had a new attitude.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Perception does matter
But when the Tennessee Titans take a shit on my football coach, I’m not going to yell at him for inviting it, I’m going to yell at the bullshitter. Suing Kiffin/USC/Pola is not standard procedure in this situation, it’s the act of a failing franchise trying to distract a disinterested fanbase from the fact that they haven’t won a playoff game in 78 months.
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by RabbitSC on Jul 26, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeap!
This!!!
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It's called tortious interference with a contract
And, despite the 13th Amendment and its prohibitions, an employer can enjoin someone whose skills are unique enough from being employed by ANYONE. He’d have to sit out the rest of his contract.
Anyhow, probably not going to happen but there is at least some legal theory.
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If this does make it past evidentiary
Would there be a way to finagle this into a settlement, if it reached that point? Not saying, that’s where USC Legal would want to bring it, but if I were them- I’d shoot for it. We’re dealing with Lane here btw.
And by settlement, I’m thinking buying out the first year of Pola’s contract. (man, all it would have taken was a freaking phone call too!)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
USC could remove to federal court based on diversity. That’s probably the best thing to do at this point but I can’t be for sure, or say sorry or settle. Not sure what TT wants or is trying to prove at this point.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 26, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
They won't do that
Because Federal Courts make hash out of state law, especially state contract law.
That's what I'm thinking DFW
The TT already has us wriggling from a PR standpoint, they won’t make many friends with this litigation and they’re riding on the coat-tails of the Hate Comet that is Lane Kiffin.
Believe me when I say this, I want Coach Kiffin to do well and be successful beyond all measurables and expectations. He’s a walking negative ball of energy, though.
Let’s be amicable with this and pay for Pola’s 1st year as punitive damages. I’m hoping TT will be amenable to it and USC Legal is hard at work working on the settlement.
Fight On Coach Kiff! (and for all the goodness in gracious- shape up bro!)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Read the complaint
They are not seeking an injunction. They are just suing for punitive damages (amongst other types) against the university.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 26, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what they're suing for,
but that’s not why they’re suing.
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No they are suing for interference with a K
The COA might be worded differently in their code.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 26, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh sorry
Reading comprehension pretty bad one day before the bar. haha. That’s why I’m resting my eyes so to speak today.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 26, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
the bar is tomorrow?
you shouldn’t be here then…
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I'm chillaxing man
Down in Pasadena by the testing center. It’s all good.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 26, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
well good luck...
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I appreciate it
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
see we aren't so bad...don't believe everything you read or hear...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Go get 'em Champ!
Good luck to, bro!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If you were a Trojan
I’d say to “rip it, win forever, or fight on,” so I’ll just raise my glass. Good luck!
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, break a leg! :-)
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Sure, but that's not the point
Coaches under contract leave all the time. Deciding to file suit in a situation where this is rarely done is a desperate PR move. Even if they win, the maximum ‘damage’ Kiffin/Pola could have caused would be paltry thousands. The lawsuit itself is purposeless; the Titans are trying to cash in on Kiffin hatred.
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Nope.
They lost their running backs coach days before camp starts. That’s why they are suing.
That's not a legitimate reason to sue; there are plenty of coaches available
Rabbit is right on all points.
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Yes it is.
It’s called sending a message.
Folks use the Courts to send messages to other businesses, competitors, people all the time.
It's a perfectly legitimate reason
Particularly given that Pola’s contract is very clear, and given that the deal was clearly underhanded and the Titans were caught off guard.
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
then its a Pola problem not an SC problem...
he is the one that should have followed the rules…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
True
It’s primarily a Pola problem, but even if they didn’t do anything legally wrong, SC still looks bad. That’s true, right?
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by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 26, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
but even if they didn’t do anything legally wrong, SC still looks bad. That’s true, right?
By people pushing an agenda that have an axe to grind…
If a coach isn’t making mistakes he isn’t trying…we don’t what Kiffin did if anything wrong here.
I am sure as hell not going to believe the bias that comes out of Tenn. or sites that hate SC…
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Your boy Otton is on Prime Ticket right now
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Legal theory rarely conforms with practicality
99.8% of these cases settle out of court, and since this one is a PR stunt with little merit, it will either by thrown out or settled quickly.
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This is clearly being pushed by Tenis-ee Alums with Bud Adams Approval
Typical preliminary pleading, claiming the Tort, SC should be first up at the plate with Motions for discovery, which will take us waaaaay into the season.
This could and may very well turn into a pissing contest, cooler heads will of course try to settle this, however; it depends on who and how many UT alums are pushing on Adams. This may be their only chance to Crucify Kiffin, so expect the PR for at least a month.
Not really much of case, breach, Tort (have to prove it up though) Kiffins knowledge of the contract particulars…gonna’ be hard even for Shapiro, and Pola ain’t gonna’ offer any help.
Sounds nasty simply because of all the negative press Kiffin and USC have received lately, but this is not ground shattering case from a legal standpoint.
Happens every day in L.A.
Your mileage may vary
or maybe a PR move to sell Titans tickets?
hey Vols, we hate Lane too, now rally behind us and buy some tickets!
NO !!!! that's not What's Behind This, it's not the Money Either
This my friend is all about pay back…VENDETTA
jilted ex-girlfriends
can the Vols somehow join the suit as co-crybaby plaintiffs?
Death to the NCAA!!!
Someone call the waaaaaambulance... Jeez
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Opinion of a non-USC and non-Tennessee fan:
I am an attorny, but not a fan of either USC or Tennessee. I looked at the Complaint and, provided the Titans can prove constructive or actual knowledge of the contract terms by the defendants, this is a viable case. I assume the defendants will move to dismiss based on that ground, but the court will likely allow discovery on the issue since it is an issue of fact. Of course, the fact it is in a Tenn. state court doesn’t help, but it shouldn’t be a deciding factor since it will be scrutinized nationally.
The interesting part about the lawsuit is that Kiffin’s “course of conduct” with past coaches and contracts is relevant. The Titans can get discovery of how Lane handled previous contract situations because his intent and wrongful conduct are in dispute (not to mention his credibility/character as with every witness). Things could get ugly if the defendants can’t get it dismissed and don’t settle.
USC needs this to go away. If it wins the motion to dismiss, great. Otherwise, they will likely settle.
BTW – Fisher and the coaching staff don’t have to devote any significant time to pursuing the case. It is all in the hands of the attorneys now.
Also, not only is Kiffin’s past in play here, but it is likely the reason the suit was filed. Everyone knows another NFL owner thinks he is a “liar” (if I remember the allegation correctly). Plus, there are many other instances of Kiffin ruffling feathers within the group of top-level NFL and NCAA coaches: UT coaches and players, discourse with SEC coaches, etc. He has had a very short career (relatively) and no on-the field accomplishments for others to be jealous of, so you wonder why he gets on so many nerves. If it is anyone other than Kiffin, this is probably worked out informally with a phone call.
Kiffin may (or may not) be a good coach, but its clear that a lot of other coaches just don’t like him regardless of his record.
by PeterKlima on Jul 26, 2010 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for sharing. Interesting take.
I’m thinking this gets thrown out or settled for very little $. Just hard to show that USC, Kiffin were supposed to have understanding of Pola’s contract terms.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Kiffin was an NFL coach
If the clauses cited to in the lawsuit are common clauses in NFL assistant coach contract, then that might prove constructive knowledge.
It actually has significant merit
Tortuous interference with contracts is a serious cause of action.
Difficult to prove, and often it’s a claim that’s thrown in with others, you rarely see tortuous interference with contracts as stand alone claim.
But this is not an insignificant claim. I’m guessing that the Titans just want to prevent Pola from going to USC. And they just may do that.
by Zoulou on Jul 26, 2010 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And how would they do that?
They’re asking for compensation not for Pola to return to Nashville.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jul 26, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
They can always amend
Depending on how negotiations with USC go,
Yeah Zou, and here's your star witness wrt Kiffin's character

Good luck with that
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Now that's one sorry-ass looking son of a biscuit eater!
The man is so ugly. . . . . . his Rice Krispies won’t even talk to him!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Bud Adams, not much better...

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Both those guys are. . . . . .
. . . . .older than dirt. They didn’t have “History” when they went to school! Dang! Do they fart cobwebs too!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Bud's fingerprints are all over this
I’d bet $100 that Bud gave the go ahead. Cranky old man trying to remain relevant.
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D'oh! You said IT!
That’s what my first comment was going to be about. Preventing Coach Pola from coming to USC. I didn’t want to ruin anything though.
Thanks a lot. ;- )
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 26, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't This
just a matter of how much? This is business. SC needs to pony up, pay a fair price to buy out the contact an MOVE ON.
by WE ARE SC on Jul 26, 2010 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This!
Nothing here, just a routine buyout.
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Some people need to let this Lane thing go, it is starting to look stupid which that is what that some look like.
Let it all go -—-IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE COACH THEN APPLY FOR THE JOB OR JUST MOVE THE FU*CK ON.
So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats
by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 26, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
why does this blog exist?
Why does this blog exist?
See, I was just over on something called “Bruins Nation.” After reading through the front page, I noticed that the majority of the stories over there were about Lane Kiffin. I was led to belive that was the Trojans blog.
Why has SBN given USC two blogs on this network while all the other teams only get one?
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by David Piper on Jul 26, 2010 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Funniest thing I read in a while but it's true
I honestly sometimes go to BN just to read their in depth of analysis of all things Trojan. They leave no stone unturned and have something to say on all issues USC related.
then I laugh
So you enjoyed visiting the Antipodes?
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“Why has SBN given USC two blogs on this network while all the other teams only get one?” . . . . . .well that would be because. . . . . . . .uber-ninny-Nestor would crap his pants if he doesn’t get his way. And his way is HATE HATE HATE on USC! This guy so wants to be a Trojan, but we don’t come in his small size. Magnums, yes. Thermometer covers? . . . .No fucking way!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 27, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
This is what you need to know.
There are very few Bruin fans.
There are legions of Trojan haters.
Most local Trojan haters become Bruin fans out of default. They are our arch rival after all.
People who start fan blogs generally want people to read their fan blogs.
But because there are very few Bruin Fans to begin with, and even fewer Bruin fans who would bother to read a post about Women’s Softball, Bruin Fan Site operators have a conundrum.
“How do I create page views?”
You appeal to the largest audience, which would be the Trojan Haters.
Therefore, you create posts that pander to Trojan Haters.
Voila, you have Bruins Nation.
The long and short of it: L.A. is all about USC, love them or hate them.
by Zoulou on Jul 27, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
"our arch rival" Wow Zou, you've come a long way baby... Welcome to The Family!
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Btw, rec'd! Excellent analysis.
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What damages?
While I agree that Pola’s departure 7 weeks before the season starts is a pain in the ass for the Titans, I don’t see much in the way of damages. After all, he was a RB coach and they will get an adequate replacement. Pola’s departure should not effect their TV revenues, or their revenue sharing fom the league. How about the gate revenues? I think most people who follow the NFLwould concede that RB coach is not a major factor in determining whether or not they will attend a game, but if Tennessee claims that his departure had an adverse impact on attendence, I’m sure there are statistics that will be able to determine if this was likely the case. His departure won’t effect merchandize sales much either.
Of course, if the team sucks, they will try to blame it all on Kiffin, LOL. Maybe they will tank the season to validate their claims. It all comes down to priorities. In the NFL, there is only a very loose coorelation between on-field performance and revenue. There is even a looser correlation between length-of-employment-of-RB-coach and on-field performance. The whole arguement is ridiculous. Get over it, ladies.
Fisher said they will promote within
Means they already have Pola’s replacement on staff. Have a hard time thinking they will have a hard time finding a replacement for whoever that is, I’m sure the fax/e-mail resumes have been humming ever since.
Or, Chris Johnson rushes for 2,000 yards
What damages do they propose to the judge next spring if that happens?
Honestly, this will settle soon for little money. It was all a PR stunt. I’d almost like to see USC fight it, but Pat Haden will take the high road. Pay Tenn $500k and make this story go away with KP safely on campus.
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apologize
please just apoligize and say your sorry to jeff fisher personally. Thats it.
Yes, this might do it, along with a check for their legal expenses.
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Does the lawsuit do more harm to Tenn than good
1) Can/will USC ban Tenn representatives from USC Pro Day? Will the NCAA even allow USC to have a Pro Day?
2) Might USC players take offense to the Titans lawsuit against USC and avoid playing for Tenn?
3) Will future Titans coaching candidates be less inclined to go there knowing that they have a history of suing their coaching staff?
Bud Adams and Al Davis are two grumpy old men.
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No way either of the first two happen
No school is going to intentionally reduce exposure for their athletes, and no player should let this influence their job prospects over a business dispute.
Third one could be a possibility, but this can be addressed in the future by jumping through an extra hoop. Plus, I don’t think this really changes anyone’s opinion of Bud Adams.






