[Update] ESPN: USC to Receive Two-Year Bowl Ban, Loss of 20 Scholarships
by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 9:25 PM PDT
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PrintEarlier tonight, ESPN college football reporter Bruce Feldman posted the following on his twitter account regarding the pending NCAA sanctions involving USC.
USC has been hit with a two-year post-season ban in addition to the loss of scholarships, among other penalties from the NCAA.
An announcement is expected from the NCAA and USC is tomorrow. As usual, we'll keep you all posted as things develop.
Update #1: The LA Times is reporting a similar story, but apparently, the Trojans will also lose 20 scholarships.
A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.
The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today.
USC officials would not confirm that the school had received the NCAA's report.
More appropriate now then ever...
Fight On!
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Worst possible thing that could have happened
I transferred to SC this year. Have 2 years remaining…
by gonz72 on Jun 9, 2010 9:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to be a sophomore next year
Have three years remaining. This is definitely disappointing.
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i'm going to be a junior.
I’m done. At least I won a Rose Bowl.
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if i hadnt gone off and joined the army my 4 years would have been the hacket years and pete's first year...
i feel bad for you guys. however, with the recruiting class we just got, and depending on how well lane and coach o hold things together, we could come off probation and win the new pac 16 and then the national title…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Does anyone have any guesses into how many years the scholoarship losses will be spread out over?
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions
nm I just read bottom of thread...
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Hackett was head coach for 3 years...
so bowl ban, schmowl ban if it’s just 2 years.
The scholarships, though, that’s going to sting. I expect there will be some sort of appeals effort, though who knows how successful that will be.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
That's the kicker
A postseason ban in college football is somewhat of an oxymoron. But it’s hard to bring in talent without 20 scholarships. But there are positives…
1.) Traffic to CC is going to go up over the next week
2.) Kiffin might have a walk-on spot for me. I guess I’ll be returning kicks.
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Considering you guys got hit as hard as we did a few years ago, I wouldn’t hold my breath for an appeal. Look at our textbook mess – the appeal was spot on and logical. The reply and answer from the NCAA: not so much. Good luck though. All I can say is, “been there” and offer sincere condolences. USC will bounce back from this!
Thanks for the sentiments.
I’m banking on ’SC spending a ton of money on the appeal. But really, can we expect much from the appeal?
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No
It sucks, because the fans and current players did NOTHING wrong. I hate it for you guys. Best of luck.
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by BamaReturns07 on Jun 10, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
tomorrow is goign to be a nightmare on here...
good luck
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
One other thought...
If these reports are true, and they’re close enough that they probably are close enough, this is the damage of the compounding offenses. Sparring over the details of Bush with Bama fans notwithstanding, that’s always been the accumulator in terms of risk… and I’ve argued for ages that where SC might have skated past the Bush accusations, the close succession of the Mayo Imbroglio would be what would do us in.
Ah well.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
if that is the case then take 20 scholarships from the basketball team
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I don’t know much about basketball but I’m pretty sure that would mean we’d be in negative numbers, squad-wise. Or paying for Fresno State’s squad.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I just want to know what factors other than Bush/Mayo contributed to their decision.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I was only expecting a one year bowl ban...personally... but with the NCAA you can never tell....something tells me Kiffen knew this was coming when he signed on but just didnt care bc he loved the university.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm interested in the report
if only because it illuminates some of the options for a possible USC appeal. There was a word out there that the ‘repeat offender’ aspect (given that USC was on probation in 2001) may have something to do with the harsher penalties vis a vis Alabama’s sanctions.
Regardless, I’m one of the Bruin fans that is a little annoyed at all this, if only because if we start winning against you guys, there’s going to be a giant asterisk against those wins in a lot of people’s minds. Would much rather win on equal footing.
USC is stacked ...they might lose 4 or 5 scholarships a year but they are notorious for undersigning anyways....so technically itll be like 2 or 3 a year and the rest will compose of all 5 stars...
I think the effect of the scholarship losses will be felt less at USC than it would at ANY other school….theres your silver lining….of course I read the other day you can have a silver spoon covered with feces but your still eating shit….so FWIW
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a word about basketball yet. Strange.
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Maybe your self imposed sanctions were enough..
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions
"Shit just got real"
And over at Wolf’s Cesspool they are coming out of the woodwork, there’s names there that I’ve never seen. Think I’ll start my summer vacation from that site, now.
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The bad thing about this
The kids playing today are the ones who are punished despite having nothing to do with any of these violations.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
They were in middle school when the violations occurred. Unreal.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
I feel really bad for kids like Matt Barkley, who got absolutely screwed with his pants on.
The U of O: Where idle hands are the devil's workshop.
by ProbablyMonty on Jun 9, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if
its twenty over a period of time, or twenty all at once? If so for how long? What about kids already in the program?
It’s definitely over a number over a number of years. Bama was 21 over 3 years
Cooler than a Polar Bear's toenails.
by Thoroughbred on Jun 9, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
that makes more sense
20 in a single year would be the end.
sorry for the typo
Cooler than a Polar Bear's toenails.
by Thoroughbred on Jun 9, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I would guess over 4
as 20 is not cleanly divisible by 3
Some have said 20, others have said 20+
Could be 21, 24, etc.
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For what it's worth
I’m in New Orleans at the moment. Maybe I should see if Reggie’s in town to relay our sincere thanks!
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Please do
tell him thanks for the memories!
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
Maybe I’ll just spend a couple of hours driving by his place – because nothing says “intimidation” like a rented Hyundai.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Get a Hummer with blacked out windows
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
nothing says intimidation and fear than...
toilet papering his house
by ximiankernel on Jun 10, 2010 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The players have been told. Brice Butler just tweeted about it.
It’s official.
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He did, but OCR says otherwise
See here
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He may have just read
the same stuff we have.
So we're going to get hammered in that too...
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This must be like Christmas morning
for him. He’s just gloating away
Now people can transfer without having to sit out a year?
Any more info on this?
Bylaw 13.1.1.3.3
From here:
13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is
not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution
that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competition
during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institution
must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact
(e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the studentathlete
to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-©]. (Adopted: 1/10/92,
Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
link phail
Bylaws can be seen here (PDF link).
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Gee!
It’s only 431 pages long.
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
I got the reference from this twitter poster.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Caution not to Overreact; We'll Certainly Appeal
Rumors are strong that there as a 3rd sport hit with sanctions. Thus, with infractions in 3 sports and still no probation from minor 2001 NCAA sanctions, the LOIC case was easier to make. Also, remember that many predicted the NCAA would drop the hammer for PR purposes, but could soften on appeals.
The 20 scholies is over a term of years, so if it is say 5 years, then no big deal. Now, if it is 2 years, then it hurts. The NCAA Appeals Commitee could easily soften this to a 1 yr bowl ban, and our own USC Law professor, Noel Ragsdale, sits on the Appeals Committee.
Do not freak out yet. With Kiff, Orgeron, and Barkely, USC football will be fine. A bowl is only one game. There is no reason that we can’t still win AP championship next season, as well as the PacX championship.
With infractions in three sports, this has to fall squarely on the shoulders of Mike Garrett. This is an institutional control penalty on the AD’s office. Time for Mike Garrett to fall on his sword.
We should have upgraded our AD position years ago. Don’t blame PC, blame Mike. At least until we read the report.
A lot of great points there! Thanks!
The bowl ban isn’t the worst thing in the world. We will move past that. The scholarships could be tough, but if it’s over 4-5 years, we could be okay. Seems exactly what ’Bama got in 2002, and they just won it all this season.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The schollies aren't a huge deal, even if it's 7 over 3 years or something
We under-sign and we’re deep. A two-year bowl ban could absolutely fuck us in recruiting.
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Wolf reports they will appeal
the bowl ban, that’s a no brainier. What you have to wonder is if they plan to sue if the appeal fails. I wonder if that is why this report took so long in the first place. With the press and various other hypocrites calling for blood perhaps they decided to hammer us early on, and have spent the last couple of years trying to shore up their report in light of a possible bad faith claim.
trust me it was not an easy endeaver
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
3rd sport!?
They didn’t drag anyone but mens basketball and football people to the NCAA.
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I know...Joey???
rumors on campus about the “third sport”, or the straw that broke the Trojan’s back?
how ironic if it was men’s baseball. the only thing that could make Mike Garrett look worse right now is if Chad Kreuter is somehow involved.
It seems to me
that if they consider a 3rd sport not addressed in their meeting with USC officials that has to be violation of procedure. As I understand it schools have a right to confront accusations.
I haven't heard anything about a 3rd sport
It would surprise me if there was.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
dude if kreuter and garrett get axed because of this it is almost worth it...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Finally, a positive thought
Still LOCO after all these years
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+1
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 10, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Wonder what the 3rd sport is?
Good post, I bet they stretch out the scholarship penalties.
'Bama lost scholarships over a course of 5 years.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
As long as we beat Notre Dame and the Ruins I will be able to sleep.
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
Seriously. I can live with 2 – 10 as long as it’s UCLA and Notre Dame on the win side.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I just don't think I could stomach another loss to Harbaugh
I need 3 wins!
Seriously, I’ll bet anyone $100 right now that we win the PacX champ next season. Paul, DJ, 102, where are you guys?
Well, they’ll be found here tomorrow, I’m sure. Looking forward to it. NOT!
I was talking to a Michigan alum the other day and he was saying that he thinks there would be a groundswell of opinion in response to another losing season under Rodriguez that would result in the Michigan AD hiring Harbaugh – because he’s a “Michigan Man.” I’ll believe that when I see it.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Uhm
Didn’t think you guys needed any salt in your wounds.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 9, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh, this 'aint your BN so go crazy
We’re still gonna kick your ass up and down Colorado
Still LOCO after all these years
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At least you have a good attitude
We lost Coach the other day so I’m a bit circumspect about all this.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 9, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude!
You should celebrate his life and achievements, why be upset? Dude made it to 99 and was going to games up to the end. Throw a party in his honor, get shit faced and puke on your baby blue jersey!
Still LOCO after all these years
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Yeah I understand
Even if this news makes you happy, you still think about your Trojan friends and family who are sad right now.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh? You can't be serious.
You care about OUR feelings? scratches head…
BTW, we’re not sad, we’re preparing for a HUGE FIGHT!
Still LOCO after all these years
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I wouldn't expect anything else
You guys will be all right.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 9, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That game is going to be good
I can’t wait really.
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 10, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you smokin' tonight 102?
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Hehe
Gave that up long ago
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by Bruins102NCAA on Jun 10, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
102 you can't let JWs passing get you down the guy lived 99 years, WOW.
I may not agree with ucla folk about him, but he did something for you guys and that is important, but 99 and what 10+ without mate must have been tough.
Let tell you something about me 19 years ago both my parents pass with-in a year of each other during the holidays and I was going through a divorce. But I didn’t let it get me down and I have no Aunts and uncle left to only my brother and sister. But I will say this all lived pass 60 and all had a good life.
So keep your chin up everything will be alright, people live and die every day and more are born too it’s just life.
Why are there so many Scumbag Fans?
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 10, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the positive attitude 102
You’re welcome any time
by Julio Nievas on Jun 10, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to read the report first
I still believe in the good Reggie burdened with ignorant, greedy parents.
Nah, he's a greedy showboating asshole, but he's our asshole. Let's all take a crap!
Still LOCO after all these years
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Who's the 1st 2011 Commitment to say tomorrow that he is sticking with USC?
Julio, what’s the prediction?
Well
Not a commit, but George Farmer’s dad says his son is all SC.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 9, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' 'BOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still LOCO after all these years
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I'm slightly ashamed of you guys. STOP IT!
We’re relying on Fledman, the LAT and Wolf? REALLY?
I would recommend a Tequila and a good cigar right now. RELAX! No one knows what’s coming outside of Sample, Nikias, and USC’s lawyers, and they’re not talking to the above mentioned morons.
This sounds like that night in January when the internet exploded with reports that Norm Chow had signed up to be our OC. You will recall it was all bullshit
Remember, no matter what, we’re kicking Ruin and Domer ass… with one arm tied behind our back.
ACT LIKE TROJANS AND FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!
Still LOCO after all these years
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I trust Gary Klein
He practically lives on USC’s campus.
Either this is all true or someone within Heritage Hall is playing an extraordinary prank.
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Not really
He’s reliable, but he has a family and kids over in Pasadena, so he’s not all over the scene 24/7. That just means he has a life though. I trust Klein, but wouldn’t take his word as gospel.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 9, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He's giving himself plenty of wiggle room
In his report he states the following:
“USC officials would not confirm that the school had received the NCAA’s report.”So who’s he talking to, some grad assistant? A secretary? The men’s room attendant? I’m waiting for the official report, if true we don’t appeal we sue!
Still LOCO after all these years
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Sir
Just wait for the OFFICIAL announcement tomorrow.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 9, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This
I hope everyone knows that the team is not going to jump ship. A team is a team and by the attitude that I read of the comments of some players, it’s only going to make the team’s bond stronger.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 9, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
THEY ARE THE MEN OF TROY FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT ARE WE?
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WE ARE SC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HELL ALREADY, NCAA TRIX ARE FOR KIDS!!!!!
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Remember, in 1957 Auburn was on bowl ban probation!!!!
But went undefeated and won the AP national championship!
Who watched that game? Anyone?
Going deep in the archives to find inspiration now. :-)
Haha, maybe so.cal.!
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No not socal or even me,
I was only 9 then.
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
What? I was watching when I was 9!
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I was watching USC
not Auburn, my world was alot smaller then
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
Were they even on TV way out here during regular season?
All I got to see was the Cotton, Orange and Peach Bowls, and to be honest I was more interested in the food!
Still LOCO after all these years
All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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Not whan so.cal. was a kid!
Still LOCO after all these years
All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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No we listened on the radio and acted it out on the front lawn, my neighbor was a ucla fan and we always punked him.
Why are there so many Scumbag Fans?
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 10, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahahaha!
Doing your own play-by-play? I did that!
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Come on I was 5 at the time I was just starting to throw the ball with my dad.
Why are there so many Scumbag Fans?
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 10, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Undefeated. Also on probation. Pretty much showed the world what we need to the next two seasons.
Will piss everyone off.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 9, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Now, that is funny.....Auburn goes undefeated twice on bowl bans
Lesson learned…….never schedule Auburn while on probation. :-)
of course it makes you wonder what competitive advantage was gained from their less than honorable deeds that led to AU's probation...
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
DFW what other year than 1993 did AU go undefeated on probation...I totally know your right...just cant remember what year?
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I thin we can discuss the issue while still maintaining ourselves as Trojans
My thoughts are:
The NCAA dropped the hammer for any or all of the following reasons:
1. Someone at USC knew about Reggie and didn’t report it
2. Repeat offender status 2001 and 2004
3. Bad PR if they don’t drop the hammer on a 4 year old, high profile case
This type of punishment almost certainly means that someone from USC had knowledge of what was going on. Maybe that guy is McNair. If someone from USC knew, and did nothing, then we made our own bed. I can only hope that its reasons 2 & 3 that are the reason for the big punishment.
I’m disappointed if this story turns out to be true, but I’m going to be even more disappointed if anyone from USC covered up for Reggie. We will all find out tomorrow it seems.
Lesson Learned....
if the NCAA spends +4 years investigating anything, they will find something. Was it Joey who posted the NCAA infraction for a recruit borrowing a coat and not returning it until 3 days later?
I still say if there was a 3rd sport sanctioned, that may have been the tipping point.
Doesn't it make you want to go to other campuses and try to buy their players lunch?
It’s madness.
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Oregon fans are mocking me on facebook
the same day their starting quarterback was permanently kicked off the team for driving with weed and a suspended license a month after pleading guilty to robbery. This is crap.
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Did you remind them that they will be playing SC at the Colisseum and will not forget what happened last season? This team’s agenda will be to run up the score in EVERY game. count on it.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 9, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
A special place in said woodshed has been reserved for fUcla, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
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We must have missed Kiffin's woodshed
when he played us last year. Was he building it? Did it get hit by a tornado?
What did you expect?
Kiff’s first team meeting was spent explaining the letters “x” and “o” to those hillbillies. The tornado will hit you come November.
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Last year, Kiff was building a woodshed in Knoxville
He move into a furnished luxurious woodshed with all the amenities back in LA.
With a spectacular view of Downtown!
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Appeal
It’s beneficial for you guys to know that the appeal committee IS DIFFERENT than the COI. You know USC is going to pull out its deadliest weapons (lawyers) on this. It’s highly probable that the bowl ban could shrink to one.
DON'T JUST APPEAL, SUE THE BASTARDS HERE IN LA AND WATCH THE NCAA CAVE LIKE fUcla's OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!!
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20 Scholarships
Is that 20 scholarships per year or, for example, a5 scholarship reduction for 4 years?
20 scholarships per month for 4 years paid in small bills to fUcla's Sam Gilbert scholarship fund!
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20 scholarships over 3 seasons
so, from the annual 25 limit, we can only go 18, 18, and 17, or some combo under 25 that adds up to 55 scholies over 3 seasons.
word on the street is 20 over 3.
And, I think we are only at 78 scholies now?
So, PC leaving the ranks thin with open scholies really screwed us with these sanctions. A double whammy. We’ll be thin for 3 years, then it will take 3 years to build back our depth to full force.
Not a killer but it hurts. PC left us negligently thin.
There's plenty of walk-on talent around town
This is only a big issue for crappy programs in the middle of nowhere. Guys will trample each other for a chance to pay tuition for two years with a chance at a two year scholie. Kiff, Ed and Monte won’t waste the rides we’ve got, and we’ll be fine without the Randall Carroll and Morrell Presley types.
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thats true I was also thinking about how USC typically recruits and if you guys typically just got 22 kids...
than you getting 20 this year would be just 2 less even though technically its 5 less bc you could have gotten 25… I dunno….you guys enlighten me please?
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by The Voice of Reason on Jun 10, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
A good point
If we were Oklahoma we would be kicking guys off the team. This just affects our ability to sign a full recruiting class.
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I'm not sure
We’ll all find out tomorrow morning. Could be 5, but from how this came down on USC, it could be 3.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 10, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Take a page from Weasel's playbook and sue!
Our very own “accidental Trojan” already proved that when you sue the evil NCAA you win. He also proved that USC Lawyers know how to get it done. Appeals are for sissies.
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He didn’t sue the NCAA, he sued U of W… Umm, do you really want to sue the NCAA? Up until now people haven’t had to give legally binding testimony. If you want to have NCAA lawyers depose Bush et al, then go for it. IMO, best to go for the appeal. Safer…
by impaulv on Jun 10, 2010 12:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He sued them both
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskies/2002199496_webneuheisel07.html
“I have great respect for the NCAA and the University of Washington and filing the lawsuit against both was the hardest decision I have ever made. Ultimately I had to stand up for myself and I’m glad the matter is over.” RN
It’s been established that Bush cheated, the question is did USC know. If USC can make the case that Bush did it all covertly, a jury won’t rule in favor of the NCAA. Bush would should also be named. I’d take my chances in court, especially in LA Superior Court, all Bruins and Trojans would be dismissed from the jury pool leaving non-sports fans to decide.
It’s sort of like your Wooden/Gilbert thing, players cheated but Wooden was deemed to be clean.
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Good info. But mcneil might know something he dicn’tadmit to before, definitely tying SC to knowledge of Bush? I dunno, just reaching. I still don’t think you want Carroll, Garrett, Bush, NcNeil deposed & placed on a public record. If anything, bad press might hurt recruiting?
by impaulv on Jun 10, 2010 2:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Btw, you remember new NCAA president is Washinton’s Mark Emmert. Do you think he has the stomach for another round in court?
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He wasn’t prez of Washington when that happened, was he?
by impaulv on Jun 10, 2010 1:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Got a reference?
I think Emmert started in 2004 and the suit was settled in 2005.
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Fight on to the football team!
Boy, most are taking this as motivation. Most think they now have a chip on their shoulders, we must go 13-0
A chip sure, but probably some disappointment too. Sucks for the players that had nothing to do with this & the recruits who thought/were told it’d all work out ok. But I guess that’s all part if the game
by impaulv on Jun 10, 2010 12:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Paragon SC on Jun 10, 2010 7:05 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I just want to say one thing...
As much as we’ve all gone round the bend the last month or so, I can say for myself that Im feeling for you guys today. If the reports are true, then the next few years will be tough. If you appeal, then it could be even harder.
Best of luck and i think we can all agree.
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by bammer on Jun 10, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So essentially...
By giving USC the same sanctions that Alabama got for MUCH WORSE infractions, the NCAA is admitting they made a mistake there?
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Much worse sanctions?
How?
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by BamaReturns07 on Jun 10, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Listen I have watched USC sports for a long time and not once did I do it for National Championships, heismans, or the bowls.
It was all about watching QUALITY FB and sports, so let them do what they want and if guys transfer they were not for real. When I went to Cerritos JC to play tennis I could have gone to any JC and play on better teams, but I chose to play doubles with my best friend and stay in the area so we could beat those stacked teams.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 10, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
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