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The NCAA has an Institutional Control Issue of Their Own

We have discussed numerous time how the punishment the NCAA handed down doesn't fit the crime.

I know it comes off as whining as my friend Pete Holiday has said numerous times over at Roll 'Bama Roll...yeah well we all have our own crosses to bear.

As much as I like Pete and Kleph as well as others over there, I really could not care less what any fan base in the south thinks... I mean it's not like they are objective or squeaky clean. And as for what the red-headed step kids from across town keep harping about...well, OK, I hope all that hate keeps you guys warm in the winter.

Obsess much?

Anyway...

Part of the NCAA's problem is that they make the rules on the fly. There is no guidance form the NCAA as to just how certain things should be. They simply don't evolve with the changing times.

The NCAA seemed to take issue with USC's open practices. Why? There is nothing in the rule book that states that open practices are against the rules. There is no rule that says that any athletic practices have to be closed to the public.There is no bylaw stating who can or cannot be on the sidelines at practice or the games. The school can certainly monitor access and make determinations as to who should or should not be on the sidelines. Is there a rule stating different that we are unaware of?

Neither of USC's "agent problems" WRT Bush and Mayo stemmed from Pete Carroll's policies of having open practices...

Both the Bush and Mayo situations stemmed from agents, their runners, marketing reps or ambitious would-be agents who sold their snake oil away from USC, not on the sidelines of Howard Jones field or at the Coliseum. The Ornstein part of the case is clearly an issue that USC should have monitored better because the internship was officially sanctioned by the school. But Lake, Michaels, Guillory and by extension Bill Duffy weren't on the sidelines or on campus making contact that threatened the eligibility of the very players the NCAA is supposedly looking out for.

Is the NCAA implying that having Snoop Dog, Suge Knight, and Will Farrell or any other celebrities at practice and/or at games helped USC? Do they really think that open practices gave USC an unfair advantage??

They can't be serious.

Or that naive.

I mean after all, the open practices and celebrity atmosphere led to exactly ZERO NCAA violations...

Star-divide

The NCAA already looks foolish with their high profile athletes demand high profile monitoring message...I mean is that in the bylaws as well? The NCAA bylaws themselves do not require "constant, heightened and specific vigilance" on one player over others. That is profiling in its most rudimentary form and we as a society have a difficult time swallowing that pill...just ask the state of Arizona.

The NCAA is playing the role of a renegade judge legislating from the bench...they are changing the rules on the fly in order to protect what little control they have left.

As I have said before, the NCAA has very little ability or interest to expand and modernize in order to keep up with, let alone meet the ever increasing monetary value of college football head on. They have even less power over the influence of media and corporate interests. They take what they can get but they really are at a disadvantage. What the NCAA does do, is hold on to it’s perverse and idealistic notion of "The student athlete". It really is all they can hold onto, it is the last brick in the wall they will fight to protect in order to keep from being exposed as seriously outdated and corrupt.

When Pete Carroll came to USC, he changed the culture of college football. From the practices, to the energy, to recruiting, to the playbook, to coaching structure and to execution. Remember former Nebraska Head Coach Bill Callahan saying he wanted to run his program just like USC?

When they weren't hating us they sure as hell wanted to emulate us...

There was nothing like it in all of college football upon his arrival. No program past or present made the strides that Pete Carroll and USC did in increasing the level of exposure for a program and its players in such a short amount of time.

However there is one thing Pete Carroll did above all else and that was to treat the players as if the were majoring in football and that the program was a prep school for the NFL, which is, in all reality, closer to the truth. While many "student athletes" have taken advantage of the academic opportunities to better themselves, most players that came to USC have aspired to raise their personal stock through the football program. You think Kevin Love or Jrue Holiday were any different across town? Nope, they were just more open with their priorities and responsibilities.

Pete Carroll nurtured an environment of NFL celebrity. From the practices, schemes, conditioning regimens and even the coaching staff he assembled year in and year out, Pete Carroll was all about making football players ready for the next level. He even arranged for Mike Ornstein to prepare the players for the legal life of an NFL player by exposing them to how to negotiate deals and contracts and put them in a position to think for themselves. Of course WRT Ornstein the school didn’t monitor it well at all and that is part of the mess we see the program in now, but the good intention in looking out for the players and their possible NFL futures was there.

This is what scared the living daylights out of the NCAA. They were not prepared for this. Oh sure, Paul Dee had seen something like it before with Jimmy Johnson at Miami, but nothing like this. Go see the ESPN 30 in 30 documentary on The U...Outside influences at Miami were rampant in their heyday...

Once the players realized that they were football players first and students second, the flood gates were opened and it threatened the NCAA’s arcane ideal of the amateur.

That put a target on USC's chest.

There is no evidence, let alone proof, that open practices and open sidelines led to a culture of corruption at USC. If the NCAA has such a problem with it then change the Bylaws. If the NCAA thinks schools need to have a minimum number of compliance personnel then they should spell it out in the rule book or in the Bylaws. How is it the schools problem if the NCAA is ambiguous on the level of compliance only to then hammer the school when they don't have enough compliance personnel, especially when you move the goal posts about specific players needing specific monitoring.

The NCAA has never laid out any specific guidelines about specific issues as the game and the environment surrounding the game have changed.

The NCAA is so out of touch that they let the NBA pick their pockets with the one and done rule. They let David Stern control the environment that forced players to go to school for a year when they didn't want to and did nothing about protecting the environment that the schools are forced to live in. They could have easily done some horse trading with the NBA to at least try to protect their product.

Here are a couple of ideas from a guy I have a ton of respect for...

Two things the NCAA could implement today that would severely stem the tide of all this nonsense.

1) Mandate in every scholarship agreement that the student athletes future wages can/will be garnished, if intentional wrongdoing is proven, and the University suffers financial loss because of their actions.

If the schools are worried about a possible negative impact on recruiting, structure the agreement to allow the NCAA to recover lost wages on behalf of one of their member schools. That makes them the bad guy, and serves as a disincentive to athletes with a wandering eye.

2) The NCAA needs to throw their collective legal resources at these agents/runners/wannabes, and go after them criminally or civilly. In states where there aren't laws on the books making this illegal, they could use their clout to have that changed. Perhaps even federal legislation, if possible.

California currently has a law on the books that makes what Lake/Michaels/Ornstein did illegal. The minute the NCAA realized these three broke laws, they should have taken swift and decisive action against them on behalf of one of their member schools.

Seems like they were more intent on sending a message to the other member schools, by getting tough on USC, than they were on sending any message to the agents.

The implied message they continue sending to agents is one of indifference...so what motivation do they currently have to cease and desist?

If you don't make the risk greater than the reward, agents and especially young athletes have little incentive to change.

The NCAA can't see the forest through the trees...

They would rather hammer their member institutions over infractions that can be be avoided if they just worked a little harder at getting into the 21st century.

Sadly, the NCAA is all about control yet it is clear that they lack any control when it comes actually working with their member institutions...they only care about control only when it benefits them.

And that is a damn shame!

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Change or die

"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"

by gnossos on Jun 30, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

George Bush signed bill addressing the issue in 2004

The name of the bill is “The Sports Agent Responsibility and Trust Act, or SPARTA.” Among its sponsors was one Tom Osborne of Nebraska.
For more information see here and here
Problem is, like so many laws (pick your favorite) it isn’t enforced.
I agree with the points you make Paragon, but the overall gestalt of this monster is one of score settling. The oppressive vision of Meyer, Saban and their clones vs. Pete Carroll

Still LOCO after all these years

All hail Augustus Kiffin!
M·AGRIPPA·L·F·COS·TERTIVM·FECIT

by M. AGRIPPA on Jun 30, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Damn straight, Paragon!

I’m rec’ing the hell outta this post! F_cking awesome commentary, my man.

Can you just imagine if Larry Scott hit the jackpot and remarkably helped to create the Pac-16 Super Conference of elite college football power teams? And what if the SEC was able to try and copy-cat Scott in luring a few other Big 12 teams into joining their conference? In my view, I would have to suggest that the BCS powers of college football could have potentially become so powerful that it would have rendered the NCAA (as an intercollegiate organization) as a virtually meaningless peon in the grand scheme of college athletics.

Additionally, for an organization that enjoys a yearly, multi-billion dollars of “unearned” revenue- under tax-exempt status, our very own government’s legislators chastised the NCAA for claiming “cost” and “fiscal burdens” as reasons for not implementing their own recommendations in hiring more personnel in their enforcement and inquiry staffs. How fucking rich is that? (pun, intended)

My point? Oh yeah.

In supporting your contention of laziness and bias- the NCAA would rather stick it to it’s member institutions through fear of sanctions and penalties, than implementing any new reasonable and fair addendums to their draconian bylaws which would possibly remedy most of the public’s perception that they are, in fact- A CARTEL. As opposed to the idealistically-deluded notions that they are voluntary organization founded on the principles equality for college athletics. Man, . . . . . .that is one BLACK-ASS KETTLE, no? (I’m tellin’ ya!)

I’m serious in saying that, USC is in the position to potentially bring the NCAA down. If we strategically leverage our case accordingly- the NCAA will be forced to acquiesce to our demands- out of fear of being comprehensively exposed in open court.

Paul Dee and Ms. Potato pretty much royally fucked up in trying to make a statement with USC. I’ve read and now- fully understand a lot of their written procedures on interpretation and application of enforcement- and . . . . well, . . . .for lack of a better phrase- the fucked-up.

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 30, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Open practice is like excessive celebration

The NCAA is trying to preserve a vision of what college football is that does not exist anymore. Pete Carroll did not kill it he just never pretended it existed.

Saying open practices are bad is like some of the calls on excessive celebration (Google AJ Green vs LSU or Locker vs BYU for examples).

by 22blast on Jun 30, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Dead on.

Agreed. It’s an obnoxious concern about “appearances” over substance.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jun 30, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NCAA is a hunger-starved, dying animal unable to adapt and evolve

This makes them extremely dangerous and they just lashed out at USC. The concern about open practices and the environment at USC shows that the NCAA has absolutely no understanding of what life is like at USC. Think of all the under-privileged kids, specials needs kids, local community members, and charities that have been touched by Pete Carroll and the USC football team. Then, think about the economic impact that USC football has on the local economy. The NCAA just inflicted a major wound on LA by attacking the cities major purveyor of good deeds and community outreach. The NCAA’s behavior and lack of understanding is simply outrageous. The mayor, city council, and state and federal reps should all be speaking out about the NCAA’s attack on Angelinos.

Wonderful post, Para!

by DFWTrojan on Jun 30, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately our meyor ees Toni Vivalaraza, a ruin retread that’s not smart enough to pick his own clothes or tie his shoelaces. He runs one of the worst city governments in the nation.

Still LOCO after all these years

All hail Augustus Kiffin!
M·AGRIPPA·L·F·COS·TERTIVM·FECIT

by M. AGRIPPA on Jun 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUT...............

he take good peeectures and he gets good teekits to all the high profile events in LA.

"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"

by gnossos on Jun 30, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

and he don't pay for them

"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"

by gnossos on Jun 30, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pete's heart was in the right place

when it came to the open practices. He wanted to get the community involved with the program. You are right that the agents in the Mayo and Bush case had nothing to do with any of this. The NCAA tried to use the open practices as an example of USC being careless about compliance, but in the end there is no smoke or fire there.

by frak on Jun 30, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

What's bothering me

I’m wondering if there is anything that hasn’t been made public that would justify the NCAA’s behavior. The only thing that makes sense is the tapes that Lloyd Lake had that were recorded illegally. I think its safe to assume that Reggie and his stepdad are probably all over these recordings. McNair’s lawyer stated that he wasn’t in any of the recordings. All we can do is speculate what was said on those tapes. Perhaps Reggie talked about McNair. Without knowing what all the NCAA has been using to make their decisions its hard to comprehend why we wouldn’t have the sanctions reduced on appeal.

Either we are missing a key piece of the puzzle or the NCAA is just nuts.

by frak on Jun 30, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I can see it now.

A bunch of fifty year olds sitting around a table in a room talking about how they don’t like how “that Bill Farrells” and “the black rap man Snoop Doggie” are at all them USC practices

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jun 30, 2010 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

New Institutional Control is OLD "Institutional Control"

Still LOCO after all these years

All hail Augustus Kiffin!
M·AGRIPPA·L·F·COS·TERTIVM·FECIT

by M. AGRIPPA on Jul 1, 2010 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

The Ncaa contradict themselves all the time, Like in the late 70s they let Women athletes come back to college no matter what age and previous sport participation.

At the same time the Men could not do this, they were bound by you start your eligibility as soon as you are a full-time student regardless if you go out for a sport or not. What is that 2 different set of rules and then they came up with freaking title 9, total BS so I say Duck the Ncaa and their Clowns.

So Fight On USC followers and Don’t worry WE Will Still Play on Saturdays and Bowls will come later, for WE ARE SC not That other Softball University. Oh and don’t say you now have a baseball team, it’s not Real Baseball unless you use Wooden Bats.

by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 1, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

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