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Should USC file a lawsuit against Lloyd and Michael Michaels...among others

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Lots of chatter out there on what think USC should or plans to do once they have the appeal out of the way. Regardless of the outcome.

Suing those who were at the root of this mess is not out of the question. SC has been down this road before in 1995 when they sued agent Robert Caron.    

Caron, 37, a sports star at Ventura High and Ventura College, has been the focus of a widening scandal involving his year-old sports agency.

NCAA and Pacific 10 Conference investigators last week questioned three USC players--Shawn Walters, Israel Ifeanyi and Errick Herrin--about their relationship with Caron. A ledger obtained by The Times showed that Walters was given about $15,900 for airline tickets, pocket money and other items. Ifeanyi and Herrin allegedly were given beepers and some other small items.

UCLA's Donnie Edwards and about eight other players from five other schools also were linked to Caron, who denied he payed any players.

Heh, I forgot that Donnie Edwards was rumored to be linked to Caron...

This lawsuit also brought forth the Miller-Ayala Athlete Agents Act in 1996. This is a law on the books in the state of California specifically dealing with an agent(s) tampering with amateur athletes. I do not think this is a bad idea. With sanctions having been handed down USC is facing the loss of millions of dollars and because of that 'SC has a right and responsibility to not let this go unchecked.

Why not?

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It is not like SC is going to get punished any more if other information comes out...at least not much worse. The NCAA's penalty against USC is a modern day death penalty so what is there to lose?

I call it the don't mess with us response.

It would have been nice if SC had been this aggressive in addressing this when the charges originally came to light but that is in the past...we are where we are.

I highly doubt that with all the other issues facing the state of California that they are really interested in pursuing this.

It is also clear that the NCAA has no interest in protecting their member institutions from the likes of Michaels, Lake and Guillory. They want the schools to be the first line of defense with little or no guidance with regards to just how to investigate the friends, family and friends of family...you know that little known issue of a constitutional right to privacy.

'SC should also go after Bill Duffy Associates and the Sycuan Indian Tribe in San Diego that put up the seed money for New Era. I doubt they sue Reggie or O.J. but it would not bother me if they went after Reggie's parents as well. After all it was because of LaMar Griffin's greed that got us here. I mean, what's Reggie going to do, disown us?

People may not like that message but 'SC is taking the brunt of this because of the actions of others outside of the program. This does not absolve 'SC of the other findings in the report. They should have paid better attention. The compliance office was obviously asleep at the switch in a number of areas. McNair not speaking up or at least inquiring WRT Bush's relationship with Lake is on the institution as well.

At this point 'SC's guilt is immaterial to me. We would all agree that the NCAA  clearly went off the reservation in the punishment they meted out But that is a separate issue that will be dealt with on appeal. 'SC now needs to "go to the mattresses" on this. If the NCAA isn't going to protect their members then SC will just have to do it on their own. 'SC has an uphill battle with their appeal and I am not necessarily sure what if anything would be accomplished by suing the NCAA...outside of years of legal wrangling and legal fees.

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The problem is they'll just go bankrupt

and USC won’t see a dime. As a strategic move it may be helpful, but there will be no recovery from those clowns.

Still LOCO after all these years

All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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by M. AGRIPPA on Jun 17, 2010 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Not about the money...it's about getting it on the record

Get the judgement as part of the public record. Both can also be prosecuted under the miller act that I mentioned in the piece. With Lake already on parole this could be an issue for him as well.

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Jun 17, 2010 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Correct

This has nothing whatsoever to do with money. Even after the appeals process is over, USC is working on public image. Even if the appeal is successful, a huge percentage of people out there are still going to think that USC is guilty as hell and somehow just weaseled out of significant punishment because of good lawyers. Only obsessed freaks like us are going to actually read the reports to see what was really going on.

Suing these guys puts USC on offense for the first time and supports their contention that these guys were lying. It’s one thing to say they’re lying when you’re just trying to defend yourself, but when you go on offense against them after the fact, your contention carries more weight.

The other thing to consider here is taking some action for the common good. In the public USC response after the sanctions were announced, they stated that there is a problem across college sports with dishonest agents and other leeches, and they called on the NCAA to help fix the problem. Let’s take the initiative in that fix and send a clear message to these pieces of crap that they will be punished for their actions. They may make some money in the short term, but they will be giving up that money and significantly more at a later time.

by bwren on Jun 17, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great points bw and para

We agree it would be good strategy; and you’re right, at this point whether or not there is a recovery is irrelevant.
USC has made history in the past. We are the schoool that forced Bear Bryant to desegregate the Crimson Tide. Perhaps we are overdue for another blockbuster.

Still LOCO after all these years

All hail Augustus Kiffin!
M·AGRIPPA·L·F·COS·TERTIVM·FECIT

by M. AGRIPPA on Jun 17, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some Insight on Bear Bryant

Agrippa, McKay did show Alabama one of the first blacks to play on UA’s field, however, Bryant was ahead of the curve on wanting to recruit Blacks…being at a State School, he didn’t want to start a pissing contest with then Governor George Wallace and lose his job.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/bear/story6.html

by alfa1 on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Really? Ahead of the curve? Paul "Bear" Byant?

From ESPN

We know that he knew better, that he knew that what he was going along with was wrong, and that in the end he was placing a severe ceiling on the quality of his teams, which soon would not be able to compete with the best teams in the nation. We know that in 1970, he arranged a game with Southern Cal, and that Sam (Bam) Cunningham scored two touchdowns in the first half as USC destroyed Alabama 42-21, thus changing the course of deep South football because the Alabama program was integrated the next year. And all the good old boys could later laugh and say that old Sam Cunningham did more to integrate Alabama in 30 minutes than Martin Luther King did in 16 years.
In any case, I just watched the game live and read the newspapers way back when, so what do I know?

Still LOCO after all these years

All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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by M. AGRIPPA on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I’m really sick of all the Alabama posting that’s been going on lately (don’t you guys have an Auburn site to troll?) but I think Alfa is right. It was not so much the Bear whose mind was changed but the University and its fans. The Bear and McKay were good friends, and as I understand it they sort of cooked up that trip between them to show the benefits of integration (aside from joining the 20th century) for Alabama football. I believe there was already an African American player on scholarship at Alabama, he just hadn’t seen the field.

by ilium55 on Jun 17, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sue the Bastards!!!

BDA Sports does have deep pockets. Check their client list: Steven Nash, Rajon Rondo, Yao Ming. http://www.bdasports.com/ And, the Sycuans are loaded too. Sue them all!!!

Sue Bill Duffy

Sue the Sycuans

And Sue Vindictive Bastard, Paul Dee

by DFWTrojan on Jun 17, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

yes they should be sued

by calexrose on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

So who are those 2 Gangstas in the picture?

Lake and Michaels????

"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"

by gnossos on Jun 17, 2010 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks

"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"

by gnossos on Jun 18, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

uhm...the latter? Maybe???

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Jun 19, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looks like Stringer Bell

"Government is the opiate of the masses" Dennis Prager
"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"

by gnossos on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Are these guys free to talk about everything related to this

I thought part of the deal with Bush was that they could no longer talk about what they did. Also, if USC sues these guys, what about Bush who clearly entered a relationship with them. I mean, why not sue Bush too?

by Buckeye Bobo on Jun 18, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

No...

It is all protected by non-disclosure agreements…

If USC sues then they will have to talk.

"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."

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by Paragon SC on Jun 18, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

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