Associated Press Will Not Strip USC of 2004 Title
by Joey Kaufman on Jun 11, 2010 10:58 AM PDT
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Despite reports that the BCS will strip USC of its 2004 BCS National Championship, it doesn't appear as if the Associated Press will be following similar protocol. From Chris Dufrense of the LA Times:
"The 2004 poll stands," AP sports editor Terry Taylor confirmed in an e-mail to the Times. "The poll is intended to measure on-field performance. If teams are allowed to play, they're allowed to be ranked and USC certainly played in 2004."
There was speculation the AP might reconsider USC's title because it recently called for a re-vote for NFL defensive rookie of the year Brian Cushing, a former USC linebacker, who tested positive for a banned substance. Cushing, who plays for the Houston Texans, kept his award after a second vote.
Taylor said USC's 2004 national title is different.
"It would be impractical to revote," Taylor said. "It's been six years. Memories have faded and the poll board from that year is no longer intact."
Finally, somebody gets it. 2004 happened. 55-19 happened. A national championship happened. There is really little use in going back in time and attempting to erase events from the history books. We've said this on here before, but can you possibly remove the memories from those games from Trojan fans' minds? Hardly. There's little use in trying.
Furthemore, the AP's decision's to allow USC to keep the 2004 title preserves the Trojan Dynasty of the 2000s by recognizing their back-to-back Associated Press national championships. Because as we all know, the NCAA does not give out championships for football.
The NCAA does not recognize a champion in major college football. For years,champions were crowned independently by the AP, which began its poll in 1936, and the coaches' poll.
There are some things the NCAA can't touch and this is one of them.
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First toy has been removed from under "the nation's" Christmas Tree
Still LOCO after all these years
All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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As I anticipated.
My “11 national championships” shirt is still accurate, although it is a little small.
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by Joey Kaufman on Jun 11, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
This is meant as a discussion point, so I’m confirming my intentions to play nice here. So:
Is there any sense in your fan base that a star player getting paid is cheating, and that it affected the talent on your roster and therefore didn’t “play fair”? I know this was non-field stuff, but I’m curious what the reaction is to this. If all of USC’s 2004 opponents were able to pick up a star or two via an agent’s bank roll, would that have changed the 2004 season?
I know about your diabolical plan.
hmmm
well the star player was already at USC. So if I gave an exisiting player on your team a 100 bucks, would he run faster? No.
next
So you guys are totally okay with this?
Alternatively: shouldn’t he have been off the team the minute he accepted the cash as a member of the USC staff ignored it? Shouldn’t USC, if they were following the rules, have been playing 2004 without Bush? Wouldn’t have have impacted what happened on the field?
I know about your diabolical plan.
Nah, we pay ALL our players, we help them buy cars and we cover their girlfriends’ abortions – Sam Gilbert
Still LOCO after all these years
All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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more like looke the other way...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Hmm, I see you're late to the party
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Fine with it...
I am not going to try to figure out a bunch of what if’s.
especially going back to to 2004.
heck the two best teams didn’t even play in the BCS title game that year, just like the previous year.
The AP title is fine…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Yes, Bush apparently should have been ineligible for 2005; still disagree on 2004
But, check our roster and games in 2005. Bush was only key in 1 victory that season – Fresno St. That team was loaded and would have won without Bush.
Your timeline seems a bit jumbled
and while I believe that you mean this as a discussion, incorrect information will at the very least cloud a response with corrections, so I apologize in advance.
Assuming that the NCAA findings regarding McNair are correct, there doesn’t seem to be any indication that McNair knew of the arrangement before March 5, 2005, the date of the San Diego party. Rather, that’s the time at which the NCAA alleges that McNair learned of the arrangement.
If your question meant to refer to the 2005 season, since Bush was only ineligible for the 2005 Orange bowl, then yes, it would have, which is why the wins were vacated, and I don’t disagree with that result in any way.
pretty sure New Era did not file their LLC until March 2005...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
I don't accept the Findings
also don’t care. If Oklahoma wanted the title they should have played better. I don’t consider the NCAA my moral compass. A whole team of kids played in those games not just Reggie Bush — it also seems to me that Oklahoma has had some problems, they just didn’t get the shaft like USC did.
Reggie Bush didn't arrive via an agent
To make your hypothetical valid, If all of USC’s 2004 opponents had a player or two get payment via an agent’s bank roll, would that have changed the 2004 season? Answer: no.
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He was paid to LEAVE for the NFL
not to come play ball for USC. there is no competitive advantage for USC; rather, USC is disadvantaged by junior entry into the NFL. get it now?
I guess we really did play that game.
Reggie Bush’s stats in the game
75 yards rushing
31 yards receiving
19 yards on kickoff returns
0 points
Why can’t we vacate Reggie’s stats. We still win by 30. Laf
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