USC could lose their 2004 BCS Title...should we care?
by Paragon SC on May 20, 2010 6:00 PM PDT
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A little known rule change in 2007 could cost USC their 2004 BCS Title if they are found culpable of any major violations when the NCAA finally make their findings known.
From USAToday...
If the NCAA deems Reggie Bush guilty, if it vacates victories in which Southern California's Heisman Trophy winner made an appearance five and six seasons ago, it appears likely the Trojans would lose their 2004 national championship, as well.Quietly in early 2007, as the investigation into USC and alleged improprieties involving Bush and his family was unfolding, college football's Bowl Championship Series drew up a policy calling for teams' BCS appearances and BCS titles to be vacated when major rules violations subsequently are discovered and the institutions are sanctioned by the NCAA. Current BCS executive director Bill Hancock confirmed the provision Wednesday.
Hancock emphasized, "Nothing would happen until the very end of the NCAA process, including any appeals."
USC's wait for an NCAA verdict is approaching 13 weeks, the time since its hearing before the association's Committee on Infractions in February. The case involves the Trojans' football and men's basketball programs and allegations that Bush and his family and basketball star O.J. Mayo were the recipients of illicit extra benefits.
I am intrigued that the BCS did this "quietly".
I am actually fine with the rule change but like I said in the Cushing situation...make the change, take ownership of it and make it known.
Don't keep it quiet.
The Bush Mess started in 2006 (Mayo really has nothing to do with this aspect of the case) and so the BCS went ahead and changed the rule, but why be so quiet about it? Reasonable people would probably have no problem with it. If the Heisman Trust decided to take Bush's Heisman Trophy I would bet that that would generate an even smaller blip on the radar screen.To many the Heisman is an out dated insignificant award. The award is already tarnished in many peoples eyes...
There is a reason that it is called an "MNC"...we all know the two best teams didn't play in that game just like in the year before. It was great spectacle but it wasn't the best game that could have been played.
I could see where some would say that if USC was stripped of the title that that could be more humiliation to an already sad tale but I guess it really wouldn't bother me.
Like I have said before, you can't unring a bell. You can expunge it all from the record books or put an asterisk next to all the pertinent data but does it really matter?
You can't erase people's memories...
I saw the game...every time I watch it the score is still 55-19. I mean if I watch the game tonight and the score turns out to be something other than that same 55-19 that we all witnessed, then I guess I'll just have to think about it. Stripping the 2004 title from SC is more for the haters or the justice seekers. We all have our shirts, ticket stubs, banners and memories of that season. Simply trying to remove all evidence of it would be a hollow victory some and a waste of time for the rest of us.
Most important to me is time. Too much time has passed since that game. Too many other life experiences have happened in my life, too many other games have been played...I guess I just don't care. Pete Carroll is gone his legacy is in limbo to some, it is untouchable to others depending on the out come of the ruling.
Reggie Bush or his greedy family getting extra benefits didn't make him run any faster, it didn't make him juke or jive any better. You can't teach that gift anymore than you can pay for it.
So, if they take it fine...they can't erase my memories.
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Is there a year in the past in which no team won a share of the title?
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Does this mean fUcla is the 1997 National Champion?
Or what other team who’s ass we kicked?
Still LOCO after all these years
All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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Holy crap, it must be the Tequila! Final answer, 2004!
Still LOCO after all these years
All hail Augustus Kiffin!
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I'm certainly not worried
That would be so far down the line, it’s not worth thinking about. The NCAA has to rule, that ruling has to vacate wins, those wins have to include 2004, USC gets to appeal, USC might sue, the BCS has to vote to vote, then they have to vote…then what happens with the AP portion? It’s a jump to think the BCS will retroactively apply this rule. To the best of my knowledge, the accusation is Bush started taking money after the 2004 regular season but before bowl. What does the BCS do then and does it make a difference? The worse part is I’m sure I’m leaving some possibilities to out.
Honestly, though
This is not as important as potentially losing scholarships and restricting USC to play bowl games. This is the last thing to worry about…
Depends on the number of scholarships
The Trojans rarely use all of them, they often have a couple of walk-on seniors on scholarship. If the NCAA punishes USC, they will almost surely take scholarships. As long as it’s not more than two or three per season, and no more than 2-3 seasons they can ride that out. Based on what they have done to other similar cases (are there really any similar?), it shouldn’t be more than that. More likely at the lower end if I were to guess.
Chicken Little, the Sky is Falling
I always thought that if we vacated wins in 2004, then it would cost us the BCS. Am I alone? But, I also knew that the unproven Bush allegations were during the 04/05 season, not the prior season. Why is this news? I don’t get it?
Oh year, the MSM is creating news to fill up voids in real news from their crack staffs of um, uh, ah..reporters. Of course, eSECpn ran this on their ticker all afternoon.
If we vacate wins for the 03/04 season, then we lose the BCS. Is anyone on God’s green earth shocked by that? THIS IS NOT NEWS! It is rumor-mongering dressed up as news.
Now, the NCAA passing covert, underhanded new rules is news. But, the NCAA was not the focus of this article. It was all Hater Nation hating on USC. Screw you, Hater Nation.
Rumor-mongering? Seriously?
“Quietly in early 2007, as the investigation into USC and alleged improprieties involving Bush and his family was unfolding, college football’s Bowl Championship Series drew up a policy calling for teams’ BCS appearances and BCS titles to be vacated when major rules violations subsequently are discovered and the institutions are sanctioned by the NCAA.”
I would say that this information that just came to light would be described a little different than a rumor.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on May 21, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but it's attribution to USC losing the BCS is nothing more than a rumor
and, you’re kidding yourself if you think that no one knew about this 3 yr old rule.
Lets just say that it wasnt a national topic of discussion until the other day.....and given the facts that even this site's most reputable members have conceded, I would say that attribution would even be described as a little different than a rumor.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on May 24, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I still don't get it
What did USC do wrong? Why is the school being punished? There was no USC involvement or knowledge of any of the alleged wrongdoings.
I think the NCAA is letting you guys know that there SHOULD have been knowledge.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on May 21, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions
And I should have been 6’ 2", but that’s not the way it turned out.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
NCAA has guidelines concerning blogging fans required height ? missed that.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on May 24, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
So the NCAA is letting USC know through the BCS
Clearly you are not playing with a full deck, that is absurd.
by ev on May 21, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry I think you may have thought I was refering to this BCS rule that you guys have known about for 3 years but the rest of the world just discovered while instead when I said NCAA I was refering to the soon be infractions that the NCAA awaiting to ...
..anounce.
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on May 24, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
+n
"Sympathy has expired Longhorns" WallaceWade04
by The Voice of Reason on May 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
OMIGOD, not again?
The USA Today editor is a nimrod. What he needs is an editor.
Mr. Griffin barely got to know Lloyd Lake in November of 2004. Reggie Bush finally re-connected with Lake in March 2005, then he received the lodgings from Michaels that late March/early April for LTomlinson’s bday party in San Diego. It’s all about the 2005 season, duh.
This is a hilarious topic. Keeps getting better and better reading the writers of MSM getting everybody all lathered up. It’s frothy.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
Well ghee if that is the case then all does fucla have give up championships with the Sam Gilbert days.
Wow lets go back to eternity and see if we can change that to, let those asshats have their stupid trophies and crowns the Trojans know who won period. It’s time for USC to turn Independent and work to start their own league of teams away from the Ncaa, or go the the Naia and take some schools with them.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 21, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions
Pete Carroll's Legacy
Re:
Pete Carroll is gone his legacy is in limbo to some, it is untouchable to others depending on the out come of the ruling.
Your post is clear about the not caring about possible stripping; where do you stand on this?
Crack is wac
it will absolutely depend on the ruling...that is as far as I am prepared to go...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
To answer your question
Yeah I care if we lose the BCS championship. Will it change how I feel about the game, probably not. The only reason it matters to me is the total number of championships won category. If we have to take it off the banners at the Coliseum that would be a bummer, but not the end of my life as I know it. It would just suck.
I honestly do not know what will happen. The BCS changing its rules is closing the door on a loophole in the BCS game. Technically you could win the BCS, have the whole team declared ineligible, then still keep the title. The BCS is closing that door, but what will they use as criteria for negating the MNC. Will they use NCAA findings? Will they allow an appeal? Its sounds like a can of worms to me.
I don't forsee any situation in which we are unable to claim a championship
If we lose the crystal ball we still have the AP. You can’t revote after 5 and half years, some of the original voters are dead, for chrissakes…
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The talking heads think there would be no BCS champion for that year.
I agree. The entire point of the BCS is to crown a champion on the basis of a single playoff game. You can’t give the title to a team who lost the game or to a team that didn’t play in it.
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They will probably reward it to Westwood HS, making Dorrell the best coach ever spuring a debate and Nestor banning everyone including himself.
Not knowing what to do with his spare government time he will take up tennis, only to fine after 4 years that he took his lessons from me.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 23, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice Rabbit
The BCS is a fraud anyway. If it were a merit-based trophy, then PC would have 3 of them. It is a beauty contest and a fraud, and thus, I could care less if we have a crystall ball or not.
Of course, the topic should be moot as there is only a 0.001% chance of sanctions that strip the BCS from USC.
This is the point I try to make on other sites to no avail
When you’re trying to talk to people who claimed a national championship for Auburn before this mess, there’s no logic or reason.
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I don't know what to think honestly
The one thing I agree with bammer on is the fact that the NCAA has no idea how to follow precedent. I don’t know if I trust them to deal with us fairly rather than just drop the hammer to quell the masses. I really have no idea what they are going to do.
Plus me on that one Frak
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 23, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
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