The Official USC NCAA Sanction Prediction Thread
by Paragon SC on May 10, 2010 6:24 PM PDT
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So lets have some fun!
All the haters are now posting prediction threads in regards to what our punishment will be when the sanctions are announced, rumored to be this week.
Here is what Dufresne thinks...
I say 5 yrs, bowl ban, 21 scholarships
He is known hater so I would expect nothing less.
Here is what I think...
2-3 years probation loss of 3-5 schollies a year...they can vacate the wins and awards all they want, I could care less, we all saw the games…
The NCAA has to be careful here. They like their money. Nailing SC too hard could be an issue.
1) USC is THE football program on the west coast and the NCAA doesn’t want to lose their drawing power in regards to $$$$. I mean its not like those clowns across town could fill the void…at least not with that clown of a coach who has a QB that will be running for his life all season because he doesn't have an O line to protect him.
2) If hit too hard, USC will go to court to fight the charges, and they have some deep pockets. At that point they would have nothing to lose so they would go for broke. Even if they lost, and there is a pretty good chance they would lose, it could expose a lot about the NCAA and their style of investigating and the NCAA DOES NOT WANT THAT.
More important does anyone think the NCAA will give back the money they made off the 2005 season? What about any future money they could make off of playing reruns of the 2006 MNC game...I mean at that point the game really didn't take place, right?
So, fire away. No prediction will be deemed too lax or too severe. I have not yet decided what the winning prediction will be awarded. Hit me up offline for your suggestions...
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At least one bowl ban
I think Paragon’s closer to the mark in terms of duration and scholarship loss, but I think the bowls are too valuable a source of revenue for the school to pass up as a point of punishment.
Dufresne’s prediction smacks of “what I want to happen” as well as “I don’t care what the published details are, I know they’re rotten.”
I shall be curious to see what the result is for Mike Garrett’s tenure as Athletic Director.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I think what they are going to do is make the bRuins national champs from 2002-2009, this way the little cubs will be happy.
This should go out to every bRuin alum.
Sorry that your beloved Loser FB team is what it is, but it is not because of steroid used that USC does better. It’s better coaches, players, and a tougher neighborhood. Yah that’s right melting pot hood it makes you look around and see that it ain’t all roses, unless you earn a Rose (Trojan postseason home) Game not rent the place with my Tax Dollar.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD and where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 10, 2010 7:07 PM PDT reply actions
Listen dude you are wearing out you welcome, I know what you said on Wolfs blog.
Tell smart one what is not true in my statement?
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD and where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
WELL
nobody is going to deny that SC is has private school money and is able to assemble a NFL level coaching staff. And yes SC has had more NFL draft selections than UCL:A in recent years so I am not going to deny that SC has had the better players, even if they are on steroids or not. But what i do not understand is saying that SC exists in a melting pot makes things bnot smell like roses… what does that mean? Are you saying races existing in and amongst eachother makes for poor living conditions, thus creating a “hood”?? and then how does that make someone a better football player? I know a lot of tough dudes that do not play football and a lot of dudes who did not come from the hood who are in the NFL hall of fame. I just do not see your connection… And really it comes off as race has anything to do with being able to play football.
Private schools are actually at a disadvantage
When compared to large public schools. That is why so few are successful at the D-1A level of college football. Everything at public schools is subsidized, from tuition to books to meals. That isn’t the case with a private school, the athletic department has to pay back so much more to the general fund.
by ev on May 11, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
SC
has plenty of wealthy donors and an athletic director and president that live and breathe football. They can do whatever they want as long as it helps the football program.
That is a different point
than the one I was making. While what you say is true, it doesn’t change the point it’s tougher for USC since the state isn’t helping them out.
by ev on May 11, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
Steven Sample cares foremost about academics. He understands that football is important, but it was never his first concern. He quite simply isn’t a football guy, and rarely attended games even when he was healthy.
This is absolutely true
He pretty much left it all to Garrett and only became interested when PC hit it out of the ballpark. USC Football was in the wilderness during the first half of the Sample era.
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Sample
was also very concerned about the sexual assault allegations in 2004. The rumor I heard was that Hershel Dennis was personally benched by Sample even though Chow wanted to use him as a receiver against Virginia Tech.
Strange considering
Dennis was never a suspect. In fact the police never interviewed him and the girl actually said it wasn’t him (the only one she was sure of since he was her ex boy friend). While the press didin’t make a big point of that, it was known early and by USC. Maybe Samples was mad for the same reasons Carroll was instead. Interesting tibit.
by ev on May 11, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah and BNers made all kinds of allegations heck maybe it was Nestor?
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Race is not the issue It is the fact that Westwood is a cream puff hood, and south central is tougher and more diverse.
The fact that fucla people always put down USCs area is what I am saying. So your saying that USC can afford higher priced coaches, well that is true and not. Surprisingly you have some great coaches who are paid quite well, and remember even PC started out not making the biggest bucks. Well talking about the area in south central you have to be aware of your surroundings, because they just might bite you in your ass. But in westwood you can merrily along your way, because it’s all nice and stuff. As an employer I look for people that can do the job and that are not Narrow minded, i don’t care what degrees they have I want people that can grow with the company. sorry to say if your not from or live in a diverse neighborhood then you become pretty predictable.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD and where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Dufresne is an idiot
2-3 years probation, loss of 2005 wins and 2-3 scholarships over two years. The Trojans stand at least a 50/50 chance of getting the wins back on appeal. Dufresne is a fool if he thinks the Bama case is similar. Just the fact that Bama was busted while on probation for the exact same thing is a huge difference.
"for the exact same thing"
right way to fact check there buddy.
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by The Voice of Reason on May 11, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
Difference between USC and ‘Bama scandal. One was pay for play, one wasn’t
Thanks Lisa
by Julio Nievas on May 11, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
ok....
so how does Bush/ mayo receiving “extra” benefits (money to us down here in the south) not mean “pay for play”…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Bama paid for players
USC did not pay any players or recruits to attend USC. Sports agents may have given USC athletes illicit benefits to entice them to sign with their agency prior to turning pro.
Apples and oranges.
get your facts right man. you seem smarter than that...
“bama” didn’t pay anyone..a lone booster did. Sure that booster is affiliated with the school but its not like the coach opened up his check book…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
naa
i got the facts straight…i just think we interpret them differently.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
A booster is the school
That is the way the NCAA looks at it, just as they see an agent as someone working against the interests of a school. Night and day.
they see an agent as someone working against the interests of a school.
I believe Bama would disagree…considering that we were put on probation cause a player “signed” with an agent after the NC game in ’92.
Just cause the agent isn’t “affiliated” with the school, doesn’t mean that you get off…They are night and day but they also lead to the same end.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Michigan and Woodson changed everything
That event happen after 92, prior to that the NCAA did consider it the same.
by ev on May 12, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
which is why i hate the NCAA.
Part of me wants SC to get away with it and we have a revolution…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Part of me wants the major conferences to break away
and kill off the beast called the NCAA. USC shouldn’t get away with anything, but they should be treated fairly too. Way too many pitch forks and torches out there for my taste.
by ev on May 12, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of those
Pitch forks are coming from Bama fans..and for good reason. Its not that SC has ever done anything to personally hurt bama. In fact yall did a fine job taking it to the Barn and few years back. But with how hard the NCAA has come down on Bama and the fact that SC is guilty (at least in the court of public opinion)…If you guys get away with this without some kind of serious sanctions….Bama fans will grow to hate SC even more….It also doesn’t help that your coach is now Kiffin….sorry…that guy is just a douche.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I understand the thought but it doesn't help Bama
by punishing USC. It’s a petty way of looking at things. USC will be punished because of what the NCAA can and can’t prove. If they get off lightly, it won’t be because they are being treated special and that is where this type of feeling or hate comes from. Sorry but it’s a screwed up way of looking at things. Of course USC fans think it comes from envy, you can see why right? I’m sure Bama fans think that of others when it was their turn in the barrel.
by ev on May 12, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What's your deal???????????????????
A booster is a rep of the school as far as the NCAA is concerned, the agents were trying to “recruit” Bush to sign with “THEM” not USC. You are thick as a brick if you don’t understand the difference.
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Well Neal Young said it all about Alabama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGXRXfZQ-Rw
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 12, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
NCAA can still make statements without worrying about losing potential bowl money. I’m predicting slightly higher scholarship losses and a longer period of probation since they don’t want to appear to be caving when they don’t ban future bowl games.
Who really cares about stripping prior awards and wins? Do the fans care (like you said, you know what happened during those games)? Do the rivals care who lost (I’m pretty sure I’ll still remember those games as losses)?
4 years of probation, 5 scholarships per year, awards and wins not even worth predicting.
I think that makes a lot of sense
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by Joey Kaufman on May 10, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
NCAA Has Nada
What does NCAA really have? There are no classroom cheats (Alabama), recalcitrant criminals (FSU, Miami, Oregon, OSU, you-name it U), illicit monetary transactions and alumni payola (can you say Sam Gilbert).
- Reggie Bush? — Case settled. Nothing there but a stupid college player, stupid parents and two slime ball con-artists/would-be agents
- Joe McKnight? – Another dope who made a bad decision and aligned himself with morons. Nothing proven.
- O.J. Mayo – the accuser, Louis Johnson, is a known liar and looking to make a buck. No way Floyd passes a grand in an envelope in broad daylight. That is asinine invention. The man could have paid by courier if he was going to engage in that kind of chicanery. There is nothing on Floyd.
Prediction: 2-3 years probation, 1-3 scholarships. No Bowl ban, no retro losses.
"classroom cheats"
yeah if you got a free text book than you probably cheated in your class as well….DA
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by The Voice of Reason on May 11, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Garrett took voluntary sanctions based on
the fact that Rodney Guillory was assisting USC with the recruitment of OJ Mayo. Garrett made no mention of any illegal gifts or money exchanging hands. Its going to be interesting to see how basketball fits in to thew final report.
Lack of institutional control…thats how it fits.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
If it involved school employees or active boosters
then, institutional control might fit. but, the USC case involves sports agents, marketers, and runners. Guillory was deemed a booster on a technicality, but was employed as a runner by a sports agency.
i understand that.
Thats been an argument for a while…but still…your “institution” did a pretty bad job of controling itself. Regardless if anyone knew…no one knew that players were getting free textbooks either..the fact is..They SHOULD have known.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
USC doesn't have a Department of Espionage
Out here we care about little things like THE CONSTITUTION.
Only an inbred yayhoo moron could be so blind as to not differentiate between what happens on campus and what happens 130 miles away.
Now, get out of here and go back to f*cking your cousins, America needs more useless sacks of degenerate protoplasm.
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thats a nice way
of treating someone who’s been civil and hasn’t attacked anyone. I guess class is something the “west” coast lacks.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
lol
really….the CONSTITUTION…
The NCAA doesn’t have to follow any law. They can determine sanctions without a single fact. This is why many people (many of them Bama fans) think of the NCAA as a shit hole. In a court of LAW, SC walks away scott free…I highly doubt that happens here.
The NCAA has made it VERY clear with multiple cases over the last few years that it doesn’t matter if you didn’t know (FSU.BAMA) its what you should have known. Is that fair? Nope. But it is how the NCAA works.
You can call me an inbreed, wal-mart shoppin hillbilly all you want. But it doesn’t change the facts.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
FSU was an in house problem
and Bama was boosters. Yes both should have know. A school is suppose to control it’s boosters. However an agent is completely outside the control of a school. There is a reason the NCAA looks at the two from different directions.
by ev on May 12, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
However an agent is completely outside the control of a school.
See. I believe thats where we disagree. A school can no more control a booster then it can a agent. But thats just my opinion. Obviously the NCAA looks at it differently.
Let me ask you this. Since you’ve been nice and have yet called me a redneck hillbilly who sleeps with my cousin..
Do you think SC is guilty of committing a major NCAA violation?
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Depends on your definition of what "is" is...
Is USC guilty of a major violation? I don’t know if they knew prior to the news breaking. If they did, then yes, If they didn’t then no. Now that doesn’t mean I don’t think Reggie did something wrong, I think there is way too much smoke for that not to be true. I think the NCAA is going to say “yes” but not punish USC too harshly. For the most part, they just don’t to that anymore. Sorry if I really didn’t answer your question, at least not directly.
by ev on May 12, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Acutally I think you aren't looking at it correctly
Yes, a school cannot control an individual booster. However, the NCAA states that boosters are considered extensions of a school, therefore the penalties are worse if boosters are involved. Basically everyone and their mother knows that booster involvement in an infraction brings much harsher penalties. Knowing this, schools hope that their boosters don’t do anything to get them into trouble, and try to inform them of the rules. USC does this with a memo that they send out with season ticket packages.
The deterrent is supposed to be there for boosters because they don’t want to get their players and school in trouble. I think we would all be naive to think that the $100 handshakes are a thing of the past, but I’m sure those and no-show jobs are still rampant.
I do think its a big diffence when a fan, who has an interest in seeing their team win, goes out and gives a player a gift, rather than an agent with no interest in the schools wins or losses goes out to try to sign a specific player to their stable of professionals.
What is the big difference. The agent doesn’t give any team or school a recruiting or competitive edge. Agents go after players, boosters are their to prop up the team. Thats why a booster is worse.
by frak on May 12, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd!!!!!!
+1
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
I can't argue with anything you've said.
The problem here and i think where all the “we have no idea what the NCAA will do here” talk comes from is that once a player is in school, how do you distinguish from a booster giving out money to help a player and an agent doing the same thing? Both have different reasons but neither gives a “competetive advantage”.
Lets say Bush’s parents had been given that money by a booster..Does that change how he plays? Nope.
What i’m saying is once a player is enrolled, (im talking about how rational people look at this and not the NCAA) it doesn’t matter who’s giving the money and what its used for. A player is getting extra benefits.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I'll tell you how it helps the school
An environment where boosters providing gifts to players is commonplace is sure to give an institution more interest from players looking for that sort of kickback. Simply put, if you pay your players to go to your school, that is a competitive edge to schools that do not pay their players. Sure stopping boosters before they give a player a gift is a great idea, but when has that ever been the case. I simply can’t agree with you when you say that a booster giving a gift to a player constitutes no competitive edge in recruiting whatsoever.
However, I agree with you that the NCAA is far from consistent in any case that they look at. I also sympathize with Alabama because a vast majority of their boosters and players are following the rules. All it takes is one player, and one booster to bring down the whole program though.
In USC’s case the worst thing in my opinion that damns us is Rodney Guillory being allowed access to our basketball team. The Bush case has one connection to the program through McNair, but if there is no proof that McNair knew anything, or the NCAA finds that he couldn’t have known anything, then he isn’t going to hurt us too badly. The NCAA could just find us guilty of allowing agents at practices, which were basically open to anyone. I guess they can do that, but the spirit of the open practices was to entertain the fans, not to promote illegal tampering with players.
Its hard to say what will happen. Based upon the information that has been released, penalties can be interpreted in a wide variety of ways. Maybe there is a smoking gun that no one knows about that will blow us out of the water. Who knows?
"How do you distinguish from a booster giving out money to help a player and an agent doing the same thing?
Booster is an extension of the school, and has an interest in securing players to help his/her team win.
Agent is a private citizen with no connection to a school that has an interest in making a commission of a professional sports contract.
Are you telling me that a rational person can’t tell the difference in what motivates these two types of people.
You can blame Reggie for taking the money, you can blame USC for providing a loose environment, but calling out USC for the actions of agents way down in San Diego is going to be tough for any rational person to swallow.
i have yet to say they are the same...
or that the NCAA should or will look at them the same. My point has always been that at the end of it all…no matter where, who and how much…a player was getting paid.
My statement above is talking about the “competitive edge”. You say that a player getting paid by a booster might make other shady players looking for similar kick backs go to said school. I say its the same for agents handing out cash. If your school is “known” in the underground as a place where agents hand out cash like weed is passed out at Bob Marley concerts….then you will draw that type of player. It can and does work both ways.
However, I agree with you that the NCAA is far from consistent in any case that they look at.
/\/\/\/\/\ THIS!! You just hit the nail with a 10 billion pound hammer. It doesn’t really matter how the NCAA has looked at certain sanctions in the past. Like ev noted earlier, the NCAA use to look at Agents/ Boosters as the same thing. It took Michigan to blow that one up. Who knows, the NCAA could rethink its position again and tear SC a new one. Your guess is as good as mine.
Dont get my words or actions wrong. I hate the NCAA. Its a crock of a orginzation that feeds the beast and then cuts their head off once they no longer serve a purpose. All i want and for that matter most Bama fans, is for SC to be punished. None of us want the death penalty for SC. What we do want the sanctions to reflect the crime. I think most SC are arguing that the NCAA has little in the way of facts and can’t really come down hard. The problem with that is you are betting on the NCAA to actually care…They don’t have to use facts. Of course they can’t just make shit up but they don’t have to have any where near the amount of “evidence” to convict a program as you would need in a court of law.
Anyways..The reason we (bama fans) are so interested in this case is because we want to see if the NCAA will justly punish SC or not. i don’t have time to proof read so i hope this made sense.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Nope...
it is because misery loves company.
Schools that have been punished don’t want other schools with infractions get off easy.
’bama fans will happy that they have some company in the dog house…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
I have not disagree with you here
“If your school is "known" in the underground as a place where agents hand out cash like weed is passed out at Bob Marley concerts….then you will draw that type of player. It can and does work both ways.”
This doesn’t make any sense unless you believe that Pete Carroll, USC, and the administration were involved in the dealings between Reggie and his father in San Diego. How can you connect USC to this? My point on agents is this. An agent can make contact with a recruit in New Zealand and give him a wad of cash to sign with his agency, and you would link the school that the athlete played for as part of that transaction. If you are saying that something like that would affect a schools reputation as a place where agents hang out, you are out on a limb dude.
Again I agree with some of your points, but please when your logic gets shot full of holes, please have the decency to conceed your point and admit that you are wrong.
Agents follow the talent
When a team is on top, the agents will flock to that team. When that team folds like the bruins across town, the agents will avoid it like the plague.
I think I can with a great degree of certainty tell you that there is no “underground” room in Heritage Hall where USC herds all of the agents to do their illicit dealings so we can convince more recruits to come to USC.
Just how silly does this sound “Yeah Mom, I’m signing with USC because they are known for having an underground agent connection. If I don’t go there, the agents won’t have any idea how to find me.”
I think that is half right...
L.A. and Miami are the places to be…lots of celebrities and eligible talent for agents to prey on…
you don’t see that in NYC or Chicago because there isn’t that same sort of environment…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
sorry..
i wasn’t saying the SC was an underground place for agents. I was just saying that a place being known for allowing agents to “hang” around could attract the players looking for hand outs.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Well Bammer I can't wait till you are dictator of the world, HA HA HA HA
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 13, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
one could only wish
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I guess in fantasyland thats possible
common sense pretty much says it isn’t though.
Your credibility is fast approaching zero.
we will find out how much
fantasy it is when the NCAA hands down their ruling.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
I can guarantee
that the ruling will have nothing to do with underground rumors of agents that congregate under the USC flag. USC is going to get sanctioned for something that Reggie Bush did. I agree with you on that point. What I think you lose your credibility on is your assertion that boosters and agents represent the same competitive edge to a school in recruiting. Your logic makes no sense, and you are applying my fantasyland comment to a point that I never argued which is either something you overlooked, or a deflection from the simple fact that you are wrong and don’t want to admit it yet again.
Yes Boosters really don't have anything to do with USC recruiting, the University is in Southern Cal. not freaking Alabama.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 15, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
the NCAA will always be careful sanctioning a real money-maker
because issuing a bowl ban or a tv ban to one of your major schools is like taking money out of your pocket and throwing it into the ocean.
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Bama is a major money maker for the NCAA; we got hit for two years. I think a bowl ban is at least one of the penalties you guys will face.
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by BamaReturns07 on May 11, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bama didn't get a bowl ban until caught on the repeat
Not that I think the NCAA will rule out a bowl ban but Bama isn’t the major media program in the south the way USC is in the west. That said, I could see a one year bowl ban but I don’t think it will happen.
by ev on May 11, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Bama isn’t the major media program in the south the way USC is in the west.
wow…i always thought that SC fans thought their shit didn’t stink…but until reading comments like this…now i KNOW.
The fact that SC is the media darling of the West has way more to do with the competition on the west coast and less to do with SC…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Is your name Forrest Gump?
Are you really that stOOpid?
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Even if what you said was true, it doesn't change my point
I didn’t say Bama wasn’t a big time program, don’t get your panties in a wad. Just saying they don’t rule the south like USC rules the west. I think you actually agreed with my point even if you don’t seem to like it.
by ev on May 12, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct.
But there seems to be this thought that because SC makes a lot of money, they won’t get hit with big time sanctions. I just don’t see that being true. Bama/ FSU/ Miami all make a ton of money and they all got hit with probation.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
And I already said I don't agree with that point.
At least I did somewhere in this thread, or was it another one? Either way I don’t agree, I don’t think the NCAA will be lighter on USC because of the revenue they generate. Now I do make the exception with regards to a TV ban, but then the NCAA doesn’t do that anymore to anyone for just those reasons. They feel it hurts too many other programs in the conference.
by ev on May 12, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
i have yet to hear
anything about a TV ban. Thats never going to happen….
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Here is another one for you southern man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwS38YH1iw
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 13, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
On what do you base our bowl ban?
Which infractions are major enough to warrant the severity of a bowl ban? Do you have any idea what you are talking about, or was your opinion based on what you have read on CBS Sportsline?
I was referring to the NCAA's decision making
but thanks for jumping the gun and delving into the “stupid southern redneck” stereotype that your comments have displayed. I wasnt necessarily saying I think you guys DESERVE a bowl ban. Talk about panties in a wad…
The bottom line is that you nor I have any idea what the NCAA has investigated and found on Carrol. I’m just going by my gut instinct and what I have read, and, yes, making assumptions I know to not be confirmed or denied until the report is released. But the same can be said for you as well, a factor you may want to consider before aggressively responding to posts from non-homer posters; that is the point of the forum, right, to discuss things civilly? If not let me know, maybe it’s different in “the big city”. Us rednecks aren’t use to your fancy talk.
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by BamaReturns07 on May 17, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Alabama's Case involved Alumni Money - Big Dollars
From ESPN:
The Tide contested the two most publicized charges involving claims of boosters making five-figure payments to lure two recruits. But it admitted some violations and imposed penalties on itself, including a reduction of 15 scholarships over three years and the temporary disassociation of three boosters at the heart of the recruiting scandal.
by Free Thinker on May 11, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
yes its true...
But at the end of the day, a player getting paid….is still a player getting paid.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Not true
the NCAA treats the actions from school employees and boosters much differently than sports agents. the former has incentive to recruit and retain a player to play at the school. the latter has the incentive to get the player to leave school and work with him on his pro career.
but both involve a player getting paid…regardless of why, that player gained “extra” benefits to play a sport. Everything else is just fodder.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
the NCAA
and us enlightened individuals see the huge chasm between paying a player to attend your school and an agent paying a player to leave for the pros.
i never said i don't see the difference...
What i am saying is that a player from USC was receiving extra benefits. That in itself is a NCAA violation…Im not really understanding why this isn’t a big deal.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Oh enlightened one,
please tell us how you know for a fact that Carroll nor any other USC official, coach, or employee was not aware of any of these allegations? I’m not saying they are, but NONE of us know for sure.
It’s a long fall from that high horse, DFW. Thank God the rest of the posters on here don’t share your arrogance.
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by BamaReturns07 on May 17, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Michigan and Charles Woodson would like to disagree with you
Hell Oklahoma would disagree too and they were on your side of the line.
by ev on May 12, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
see above...
but again. Don’t you think SC should have done a better job of controlling their players? Thats what they said about Bama and our “textbooks”. Its not that we knew…Its that we should have known.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
The textbooks really are different, that is so in house it's not funny
Honestly I think the NCAA will do something for the reasons you think, I just don’t think it will be a lot. There is only so much any program can do about an agent hooking up with parents of a player. You can’t see that happen and you sure can’t dig it up without crossing a huge privacy line. If the NCAA comes down hard on USC because of that, look out because no one is safe then.
by ev on May 12, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
totally agree.
I honestly don’t think that will be the sole reason. Its part of it but not the entire thing.
I really have no clue what the NCAA will do. At first i thought it would be somewhere in the spectrum of a wrist slap. Then i thought..If that were the case, and the NCAA had nothing, why wait so long? What do they gain? So now im more inclined to think SC will get hit hard. But again, it wouldn’t surprise me if yall walk away with virtually nothing.
My opinion now is that the NCAA is going to tie in both the Basketball and Football program’s lack of control. Its not about one violation, its a string of many terrible decisions by SC. How hard they come down is something we will find out probably next week.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
anyways.
I’ve said my peace. Thank you for being civil.
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
Anyone know
what’s in the drinking water, in Alabama, or doing you contract denseness from shopping at WalMart?
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"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
Here's 'ol bammer and his missus on their weekly rounds >.<
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That's a nice
reverse rack!
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"I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!!!"
no, no no no...please don't go there!!!!!!!!!!
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+1,000
oh no, not the SEC photos again! I am still having nightmares over the last round of pics posted after the BCS game. noooooooooo! let’s just be happy that those people stay down in the deep south where they belong.
I wonder how many teeth between bammer and his 13 siblings...
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Say goodbye to your championship.
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by The Voice of Reason on May 11, 2010 7:31 AM PDT reply actions
The one that Bush had 6 carries and didn't score any touchdowns?
please
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Which one?
We have 11. You have a fairly weak grasp on this subject matter, don’t you? Maybe you should stay on Perez Hilton and avoid the big boy sports blogs.
Well really don't know what will happen or do I care, I will still believe in USC sports and the university.
But here is a guess, USC will become Ucla and vise versa we will become a Loser program for 10 years and will be able to say Fucla cheated and call any coach they have cheatie or whatever name fits. Paragon will suddenly become 5’ 4" and hate everyone that disagrees with him, the rest of us on Conquest will get great goddess names except for Loco who will become Mexi-Trojan.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD and where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions
If they put USC on probation
the Pac-10 will become irrelevant. That being the case I will indeed become mexibruin’s evil twin.
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Hmm, what would my Super Hero outfit look like?
And what powers would I possess? I’ve got it! A large gun that spews gooey refried beans to immobilize USC’s arch enemies, haha!
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ROFL
That was actually really funny , well played.
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Everyone knows what happens to refried beans when they cool off… Heck, you could build and Aztec pyramid with them. It’s the lard!
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Wow would your car be made out of them, you could be sponsored by Del Taco or Taco Bell.
Hey can i be your sidekick
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD and where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what I’m talking ‘bout. Lard is the glue that holds us Mexicans together. The car would have to be a low-rider Chevy, with spinner wheels fashioned from churro batter and fenders from taco shells, and there’s only one color for this baby… verde aguacate!
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So does that mean as your sidekick I would have wear a turquoise jump suit.
Well we have Cisco Kid music playing and pompadour hair styles.
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And why not? But being a pair of old school guys we should go with Zoot Suits, two-tone shoes and brilliantine.
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I have a friend that owns 12 older Chevys just ready for restoring, how about a convertible 64 SS
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 11, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa! A Chevelle? Don’t tell me it’s a 427!
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Actually he has a couple of impalas and chevelles, plus a 64-65 chevelle nomad
All are drivable and are ready to be restored, he either sells them as is or restores them for the buyer. Dude is that your car?
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 12, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Not my car, but my Dad had a blue SS similar to the one in the picture. Good times… Good times. He traded it in for a 1969 Chevelle SS 395 with Cowl Induction and those two fat stripes. Coolest car ever!
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Yah my friends dad in HS had a white ss 396 cowl cool car
Well basically John Wooden was and is a FRAUD, by the way where is Sammy Gilbert Ben needs some ballers.
by so.cal.native1952 on May 12, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
probation wouldn't hurt
but even bruins should fear a TV/bowl ban. it’s bad for everyone.
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I don't think this is true...
Its not like SC is getting the death penalty…SC was bad last year and the Pac-10 did just fine. I know you guys rule the west but i don’t think the Pac-10 will crumble…
"You stay bought into it when you see your opponent sucking air and physically failing and you're still fit and ready and you know you own his ass."- Corey Reamer speaking about Coach Cochran
The NCAA, Pac-10 and Dufresne will all line up to
become Kiffin’s teabaggers, and we’re not talking politics here.
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3 years probation
and loss of scholarships — number to be determined. No bowl ban. No past record adjustment … that’s just stupid.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
That's just stupid? That's just the NCAA.
They arent exactly the cream of the crop when it comes to intelligent decision making.
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by BamaReturns07 on May 11, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
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by Joey Kaufman on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
i predict...
3 years probation, and 3-5 years of scholi reductions. That’s it.
by USC_Fire on May 11, 2010 1:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
thats sounds about right
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hammer?
I love the hammer predictions. What world do the baby blue live in? I hope it does fall, only to be a tack hammer!
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