No respect for Neu from Pete
Q: Hi Scott,
You mentioned a month or so ago that Pete Carroll considered Rick Neuheisel to be a "sham of a coach." Could you explain in more detail what exactly Pete was referring to. Was the statement directed at his coaching ability, or his character?
A: The comment was directed toward his coaching ability. He considered Jim Harbaugh to be a ``real guy,'' because he could coach. He thought Neuheisel was a fraud as a coach.
about 2 years ago
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Got love the term
Rick is a fraud, you only have to watch just one of his games to see that is true. The guy just plain can’t coach. He is good on the banquet circuit and in recruiting, but on the field he just doesn’t have it. The fact he drove two other programs into the ground says it all.
Its beginning to look more and more
like that Timeout-Touchdown is one giant F-U to Rick for all of his shenanigans. Pete quietly listened to all the bull, and thumped him, and humiliated him in front of thousands on the football field, not with his mouth. For this he was called out for piling it on. It was a response to the trash talk. If Rick was respectful, Pete would have allowed him to leave the field with dignity. Sometimes blowhards like Neuheisel need to be taught some manners.
by frak on Apr 27, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't the touchdown
It was the celebration afterwards, like he won the damn NC. And it wasn’t a big F U towards Neu. It was a big F U to all those Bruins, such as myself, that begrudgingly respected PC and thought that most of the claims of his classlessness were either stupid, false, or perpetuated by those with an inferiority complex.
He could have scored 4 more touchdowns and that would have been fine. If the clock is ticking, you play the game. If we can’t stop you, too bad for us. But he pranced around and shoved it in the face of 18-22 year old kids. That, my friend, is the epitome of jackassery. You can’t be taught manners by someone without any.
No
It was a Big F-U just to Neuheisel.
The big F-U to “all those Bruins, such as myself, that begrudgingly respected PC and thought that most of the claims of his classlessness were either stupid, false, or perpetuated by those with an inferiority complex” came from Neuheisel when he called the timeout. That whole last touchdown was his fault. He was the one who started all the acrimony with his mouth during the offseason. If you didn’t like the touchdown, complain to your headcoach. He brought it on himself.
I don't care
if Carroll likes Coach Neuheisel or not, as for the last play, i’m sure the players will remember it, but its not going to consume them like it does the fans. Players will use it for motivation, and fans will use it as bragging rights, us Bruins will use it to say Carroll is classless. I say Play to the last whistle ,and if you don’t thats what happens. Having said that i dont think anyone thought (on either side) that was going to be the call. Maybe some SC fans were wishing they might go for it but certainly didn’t expect it. NO ONE did. I’m forever a BRUIN, living in the past doesn’t get you anywhere, so we’ll suit up again this year and play like we (BRUINS) expect to win.
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So I guess Reggie Carter won't sign with Seattle then?
Like I said, I guess PC does run a thug program…he signed the ultimate loud mouth and thug in Carter.
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
huh?
It’s a business now carter just gonna try and make the team. I don’t think Carter is a thug , loud mouthed yes! He backed it up, played hard and if he got beat he admitted so.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion
He backed up it so much he didn’t get drafted.
Look lighten up…its a Trojan partisan blog…Slick Rick and most bruins are considered the enemy even if only in effigy…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Agree with Granillo
No one was expecting it, even us. It is kind of cool, regardless of the scenario, when a coach calls a play that fools the entire stadium, tv viewership, and players on the field, other than Barkley and RoJo.
Exactly
It wasn’t a shot at bruins in general, it was one at Skippy. Fact is USC took a knee the play before, Carroll wanted to run the clock out, Just as Bruin great James Washington said afterward on TV, Rick was the cause of the final TD. Sorry to say, but BruinFan1 sure didn’t sound like he use to begrudgingly respected PC one little bit. Rick had been shooting his mouth off for two years starting with showing up at the Rose Bowl to watch the game with Illinois. It went down hill from there. Honestly that is fine and clearly the way Rick wanted things to be, but don’t complain afterward when the check comes due.
by ev on Apr 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
he cant watch a game, and try and get a one sided rivalry some exposure. Still cant remember what he said, but it worked were talking about it now, 2 years later!
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Yeah yeah yeah...blah blah blah
Rick is all about attention…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
I saw rick on the TV in that game
He didn’t say anything disrespectful. He just gave his thoughts about what Illinois needed to do to get back in the game, and also speculated on how he was going to tackle USC in the future.
My only point with this thread is that Pete did not like Neuheisel. His feelings were not very public. Now it seems to me that all of the brash statements coming from Rick were heard loud and clear over at USC, and Pete gave him no quarter during their last meeting. Pete’s touchdown call was a response to Rick being a blowhard. Regardless on whether you think it was good PR for Rick to behave the way he has behaved, the statements he made had consequences, and those consequences turned into 7 more points in a game that was already over.
got ya
I can respect that . But the quote came from. Wolf, not Pete . Not saying its not true just sayin it came from wolf .
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Yes the quote came from Wolf
You can choose to believe whether or not its true or not. But the context that Wolf placed it in leaves little room for interpretation. According to Wolf, Pete thought Neuheisel was a fraud and a sham. Either you believe Wolf or you think he is a liar. There isn’t a variety of ways to interpret that quote.
I don't get how PC owns Neu-weasel
yet, their diehards still seem to think that the “gap is closing”? I simply don’t get it. PC publicly embarrassed Skippy, yet Skippy is making progress? Excuse me while I puke.
Frak
I’m not talking about the touchdown, I’m talking about the celebration. I specifically said that PC could have scored 4 more on us that that would be our faults. As a man, PC decided to rub the touchdown in the face of 18-22 year-olds. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Neu. It was an absolutely classless thing to do…one of the worst I’ve seen watching sports. I’ll leave it at that.
Couldn't disagree more
Pete shot down Neuheisel. That was his intention. If he pissed off the bruin players or fans, I would say that bruin fan and player happiness is near the bottom of his priority list.
If you watch USC games other than the ucla game, you might notice that USC celebrates like that after big scores. It doesn’t matter if its ucla or Boston College (watch the Emerald Bowl for numerous examples.) How USC celebrated that final score was nothing but classy compared to the entire bruin team crossing more than halfway across the field to attempt to start a physical confrontation.
Again I will enforce that my main point is that the whole Touchdown, and all of its subsequent events, were Neuheisels fault. He talked the trash, he called out the coach, he fought the battle in the press, he called the timeout. Neuheisel is totally and completely to blame.
I’ll leave it at that.
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Pete was rubbing it in Neuhiesels face for all the BS that the Weasie was putting out there in the last 2 years.
Thats why they were celebrating but you think what you want people and fans will always do things that others don’t like, it’s human nature. Neu has been writing a check he can’t cash for 2 years, now the guy he wants to bounce it on has left the arena.
Well I would write something but I can't think of anything, so GO ME.
by so.cal.native1952 on Apr 29, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
what BS?
I’m new on your site so I didn’t hear (and stuff I think isn’t a big deal or good I’m sure is thought as BS on here) , enlighten me. I’m still behind my coach 100%. I’m sure you guys are behind Kiffen, and for all bad that’s said about my coach there is about the same to be said about your coach.
G.Granillo- Bruin for life!!!!
"If you're not making mistakes, then you're not doing anything. I'm positive that a doer makes mistakes." - John Wooden
The search feature is your friend...type in Slick Rick I am sure you will find the many things we have talked about...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
And our coach does not an official letter of censure from the NCAA for his many infractions
no matter how minor some bruins think they are…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Few examples of the BS
1. Monopoly ad
2. Dropping Ken Norton’s name to recruits implying that he won’t be at USC, or will be at ucla
3. Calling Pete out for voting against having kids on the sidelines during games. Neuheisel made a big issue of this. He implied that Pete was anti-family. (Note: a few children were injured on USC’s sidelines at practice and the rule is exempt if a child has a job to do on the sideline.)
4. Making numerous public statements calling out Pete on how he is going to beat USC, and “reel Pete in”
5. Various trash talking on how Pete’s time has come, ucla is back, owns the town, etc….
All I am saying bruinfan1 and Granillo
is that the sheer amount of bulletin board material that Rick has supplied Pete and the Trojans makes me believe that what happened at the end of the game was directed solely at Neuheisel. Pete heard everything that he said, and being the ultra competitive guy Pete is, he shoved it down Rick’s throat. This may seem insensitive to the fans and players at ucla, but that’s what happens when your coach walks up to the coach of the monster program in L.A. and kicks sand in his face.
Not to mention Rick's newest piece of bulletin board material
He claimed Los Angeles for ucla in the wake of Pete’s resignation. I guess that last win means nothing to him, and that USC has to prove itself again by winning under Coach Kiffin.
I get that,
But , the reason Rick said those things , one of which I disagree with wholeheartedly , was to get people talking about UCLA , good or bad . I love the fact he wants to be the best . What’s wrong with that? Pete did what he had to , now we’ll see how UCLA responds, regardless if Pete did it , its still USC who ultimately did it.
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You mean like Kiffin did at UT...He looked like a fool too...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
There is nothing wrong with what Rick is saying
There is a lot wrong for bruin fans to be upset with Pete Carroll for responding to it. I’m just saying those bruins that are or were angry with the end of the last game, and called out Pete for piling on, should look to their own coach instead. That’s all that I am saying.
I agree
Should be fun in Dec . I’ll be there !
G.Granillo- Bruin for life!!!!
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+1
I think I understand Rick’s strategy, and excellent point, it mirrors Lane’s strategy at Tenn last year. All in all, I think it’s a good plan, and may have helped him land a few recruits that he otherwise would not have.
But, if you cry wolf, no one should complain when the big bad wolf comes and eviscerates you.
This is what I'm talking about
But he pranced around and shoved it in the face of 18-22 year old kids. That, my friend, is the epitome of jackassery. You can’t be taught manners by someone without any.
Bruinfan1 you need to take a good long look at who is running your team, and how he’s running his mouth off.
my brothers
Are both big Sc fans, while my dad and I are Bruins fans, so I love the back n forth. For me I dont mind CRN “running his mouth” if Kiffen did it now I wouldn’t care either . I want a coach that believes his players are going to win and as a alum himself he wants UCLA to be the best school . Has it gotten him a W against you guys, no. But he resurrected a faith in his players/fans that was lacking in years past, the faith that no matter who we play we can win. I understand no one here will agree with me, because you hate Neuheisal but he’s great for UCLA and should make for great games in the future.
G.Granillo- Bruin for life!!!!
"If you're not making mistakes, then you're not doing anything. I'm positive that a doer makes mistakes." - John Wooden
I don't know if I hate the guy
I know what he’s doing. You understand where I am coming from, and I’m kind of like you when it comes to my team. We beat up Stanford badly the year before they upset us at the Coliseum. Stanford returned the favor and basically scored at will, and didn’t let up. We scored at will with our 3rd string when we beat them 52-0. Stanford left the starters in for most of the game and was trying to drive a point home. The point being “screw you USC we aren’t afraid of you, and maybe you should be afraid of us.” The team, coaches, and fans all took note of the little 2 point conversion. Some were infuriated. I personally was not angry. Its a message that Harbaugh sent us. He just has to realize that it may blowup in his face one day. I admire the fact that he never took the field against us with any excuses. But you can bet that if Kiffin has the chance to run up 100 points on the Cardinal, he will.
What was it that Coach McKay said......
I’d like to have beaten them (Stanford) by 2,000 points," USC football coach John McKay said. “They have no class. They’re the worst winners we’ve ever come up against.”
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Rick Great for UCLA?
Will you still be saying that if he suffers his 3rd blowout loss to USC, has a losing record this season with no bowl game, and cements a worse 3-year record than Dorrell’s?
Fool a bruin once, shame you you, fool a bruin twice, shame on the bruin. Will you guys wake up and acknowledge that Rick is really just a blowhard with inferior coaching skills if he does not perform at a high level this season? What will it take? Why does this guy get a free pass in Westwood?
Well
if all what you daid happens (highly doubt it), then yes on a hot seat , but his first year it was a blowout, this past year , the score was not indiditive of the game, if you have ever played football you know theres games like that. NOT saying we didn’t get beat, but the game was not a blowout. If you think that then you never been in a uniform.
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Oh
and yes i will be saying yes!!!!!!
G.Granillo- Bruin for life!!!!
"If you're not making mistakes, then you're not doing anything. I'm positive that a doer makes mistakes." - John Wooden
So Dorrell takes on the 2005 Trojans
and loses by 4 points. That team was an eyelash away from a National Championship and Dorrell loses by 4 points. Neuheisel plays arguably the worst USC team since 2000, and comes up short by 14 if you don’t count the last TD. I’m sorry, but losing by 14 to the #22 team in the nation doesn’t seem like ucla has improved, it seems more like USC regressed. I wouldn’t give Neuheisel credit for the close score.
thats your opinion
because just like USC regressed UCLA 05 team was far better than when Neu took over in 08. Its comparring apples to oranges, when Neu took over UCLA was a JC team, its getting better, not really an argument there. 05 team was a good team for UCLA and a great one for SC. But to have to field the team that CRN did in 08 there is improvement no doubt in my mind.
G.Granillo- Bruin for life!!!!
"If you're not making mistakes, then you're not doing anything. I'm positive that a doer makes mistakes." - John Wooden
I don't see much of an improvement
and with the exception of Maurice Jones Drew, I don’t think Dorrell every had anything spectacular in terms of personel. Drew Olson had 1 good year, but really how did have better teams than the ones Neuheisel is fielding.
Marcedes Lewis?
But I am partial because he is a distant cousin…
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
He was good
but probably under utilized in the west coast offense. He would have killed at USC with Norm Chow though.
+1
05 was by far a better team than the team CRN inherited, hands down. To think other wise is well fill in the blank. CRN is a good coach and i stand by him, you’ll see gameday. But hey hate on.
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+1 paragon not frak
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You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one. - John Wooden
What?
you don’t think Lewis would have done better in Norm Chow’s system rather than the West Coast Offense.
Yes I agree that Dorrell had a better team in 2005 than Neuheisel’s teams of 2008 and 2009. The main difference being the running game. But I still think a loss by 4 points was an impressive outing for Dorrell and his bruins considering they were going up against the NC runner up. Neuheisel can’t beat the 9-4 Trojans.
no
im not going to argue that. he won the mackey award thats pretty impressive, just wanted to say there was some talent on that team other than MJD. I wouldn’t say can’t i would say hasn’t YET.
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Agree with Frak
It was a big F U to all those Bruins, such as myself, that begrudgingly respected PC and thought that most of the claims of his classlessness were either stupid, false, or perpetuated by those with an inferiority complex.
Sorry pal…you are in a very small minority…almost an army of one.
I know of now bruin who feels the way you do…
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This season, Skippy will finally be exposed to even the most diehard Bruins. LMAO!!!
That's the ticket
The Nerf Offense!
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