NCAA to request copy of Bush Deposition
by Paragon SC on Apr 15, 2010 7:11 AM PDT
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PrintI am pretty ambivalent at this point with the whole sorid tale but I did find this development interesting.
Scott Reid from the OCR does his best Jason Cole impersonation...
NCAA officials as recently as last week requested that attorneys for San Diego sports marketer Lloyd Lake provide them with transcripts from Bush and Michael Michaels' depositions in Lake's civil lawsuit against Bush, said Brian Watkins, an attorney for Lake.
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NCAA investigators are particularly interested in Michaels' deposition, Watkins said.
NCAA officials so far have been unable to interview Michaels because of a confidentiality agreement that was part of his out-of-court settlement with Bush. Michaels reportedly received between $200,000 and $300,000 in the settlement.
A ruling by San Diego Superior County Judge Steven R. Denton on Tuesday, however, cleared the way for Michaels to give a deposition in the Lake-Bush suit. Michaels will be deposed on Wednesday. Denton also ordered Bush to provide a deposition next Friday. The deposition will be the first time Bush has answered questions under oath about Lake and Michaels' allegations. Lake first met with NCAA investigators in November 2007. Bush, after declining NCAA interview requests for three years, met with NCAA officials in 2009.
I am not surprised that the NCAA wants a copy.
This tells me a couple of things...
1) They will use it as a fact checker in reviewing Reggie Bush's meeting with the NCAA in August or September of 2009. Getting Michaels' deposition will fill in a lot holes because no one has been able to interview Michaels because of the non-disclosure agreement he sign when he settle with Reggie Bush a couple of years ago.
2) I think it also shows that still don't have enough to slam-dunk this case.
We all know that the NCAA combined the cases to try and make a Lack of Institutional Control charge stick. It meant to many of us that the NCAA didn't have enough on the merits of the individual situations. USC made it easier for the NCAA when they self-imposed sanctions on the basketball program but they have stood their ground on the football program.
I am not sure this changes anything.
SC will get some sort of punishment but I have a hard time believing it will be anything major.
The precedence just isn't there. As many have said numerous times, this did not involve anyone from USC this was a deal done away from USC by the parents of Reggie Bush.
I could care less if the NCAA vacates wins. They can't take the BCS title away because they have no jurisdiction and I could really care less if Reggie loses his Heisman. The reasons for that are numerous...lets just say that the Heisman has lost a bit of its luster over the years.
Heck, many still wonder if Bush should have even won it...
More important, in order for Bush or Michaels to be deposed Lloyd Lake has to go first. He has stalled before so until he actually takes the oath and sits down to be deposed I am not going to get all worked up over it.
Lake knows that if he tells the truth in his deposition it could be used against him later. He did break a California state law in regards to tampering with amateur athletes.
If the NCAA is waiting on the Bush deposition to issue their final ruling I find that to be interesting as well. Maybe they don't have as much as some think.
I can't wait for all of this to be over...
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What gets me
Is that they’re supposed to spend 8 weeks drafting sanctions, and now they want to include evidence from a deposition that will occur 9 weeks after they began drafting. So if they change their rulings based on the deposition, won’t it take weeks and weeks more to actually rule?
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Maybe they really don't have enough to nail SC...
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Not having much legal knowledge
I didn’t realize that signing the confidentiality agreement still allows Michaels to be deposed and speak on the matters of that agreement. Or will he have to say things like “I’m prevented from speaking on that matter”?
In any case, it can’t be over soon enough.
Imagine if that were the case, and you'll understand why it's not
You could prevent anyone from testifying when subpoenaed simply by creating confidentiality agreements.
I don't get where this losing the Heisman talk comes from
The NCAA does not have the jurisdiction to revoke a Heisman Trophy away from a player. That is done by the Heisman Memorial Trust. So even if the NCAA were to deem that Bush was ineligible during the 2005 season, it would take an entirely separate decision from the Heisman Trust. And believe me, those guys aren’t itching to start a nasty precedent.
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It's all BS
The Heisman committee didn’t take Woodson’s Heisman back when it was proven that he took money from an agent in college.
This whole Bush story may be overblown. I read about rumors in SD that Lake only has about $600 in receipts related to Bush, and Bush has an explanation for those amounts. Michael’s testimony could backfire on Lake, as Michaels certainly doesn’t want to risk his settlement money with Bush.
Of course the NCAA will want to read the deposition. They have no other evidence. For the most part, this whole scandal and been contrived sensationalization by the media.
Well here's what seems to be the truth as far as I see it
Reggie got 200-300K from Michaels
Reggie settles with Michaels
Lake has no real out of pocket claim for reimbursement. He appears to want shake down money to be quiet
Reggie refuses to pay Lake because Lake never gave him any of his own money or very little of his own money
Lake does everything in his power to scorch the earth, humiliate Reggie, and take down USC if he can. Taking down USC only further serves to humiliate Reggie.
Lake is a scumball. Now Reggie is paying the piper for having this guy in his past. USC will take a hit for Reggie and his family’s greed.
Precedence?
Since when did the NCAA need precedence, they create their rules as they go along, like the fed govt, no need for the smoking gun, they blow smoke out their asses all the time.
I agree
Its obvious that wrong-doing occurred. But who do you punish when the player responsible is 5 years long gone. The only link to the case is McNair, who took a visit to Reggie’s pad in San Diego, and didn’t raise any questions.
The funny part of the way the media is handling this is that the home that the Griffin’s were staying in was a large home, but certainly not a luxury one. The impala that Reggie was driving wouldn’t raise a single eyebrow at USC. In case you have never been to the campus, the average student drives at least a BMW. Reggie’s parents were both in law enforcement, which in my town earns between 80-100k a year. They only have one other child, and Reggie was getting a free ride at college so there were no education expenses to worry about. I guess you really have to ask yourself if the Griffins couldn’t afford that home, and that car for their kid that they knew was going to get a huge NFL payday in a year.
I guess what I'm saying is
that the NCAA will do what it wants. We shouldn’t try to figure out what they are thinking based on past decisions, and precedents. This is a huge media case for them, and that will definitely factor in to their final verdict.
In short, I think we will be screwed harder than we deserve.
Of course they can do what they want but they could face a lawsuit if the punishment is too harsh..
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Yes and one thing the ncaa doesn't have is the old money USC has in alumni.
I still can’t believe that they are still wasting time on all of this, it is a classic case of Parents doing all the BS and school not in the loop. Also it is not like this was going on during Reggie’s frosh and soph years, plus they both had correctional jobs which do pay over 40-50,000 plus. Funny thing his step dad stopped working to step into Bush’s NFL future, which is typical scum bag move by that scum bag.
Well I would write something but I can't think of anything, so GO ME.
by so.cal.native1952 on Apr 18, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
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