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Tim Floyd looks to clear his name

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With all the drama, angst and anticipation with the start of today's hearing with the NCAA one interesting item came up yesterday...

Former USC basketball coach Tim Floyd will attend the hearing.

As noted in numerous articles over the past couple of days former coaches are welcome and encouraged to attend in order to tell their side of the story...it is also an opportunity for the coach to clear their name of any wrong doing.

I think this is pointless.

The proverbial horse has left the barn. No matter what Floyd has to say at the hearings the fact remains that Mayo should have never been allowed on campus once it was known that Mayo was being "handled" by Rodney Guillory. The same Rodney Guillory that damaged the eligibility of USC's Jeff Trepangier in 2000.

As I have said numerous times that falls on Mike Garrett.

Garrett was fully aware of who Guillory was and his misdeeds from the past yet he still allowed the recruitment of OJ Mayo to go forward. That USC has already self punished the basketball team because of Mayo has signaled to everyone that regardless of all the claims of Mayo being cleared by both USC and the NCAA (because of suspicions that he might have received improper benefits along the way), Mayo should have never been recruited in the first place.

Floyd's appearance does nothing to help to USC as I see it. It is a lose/lose situation for USC.

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Sure, appearing in front of the committee may clear Floyd's name but all that will do is provide a clear field of fire in the direction of the USC athletic department.

I still don't believe that Tim Floyd paid Guillory the $1000.00 that is alleged. Why would he? Mayo was already on the team, all he had to do is to tell Guillory to buzz off (not the term I would use).

Floyd's appearance will turn this into a circus and a pissing match and nothing good will come of it for USC...

[...] The most heated exchanges during hearings were between coaches and their former employers, he said.

"There were times where staff just kind of threw the ball into play and didn't say another word for another hour because the [former] coach and institution were going back and forth," Yeager said. "The committee really looked at protecting everybody's interest in the room. There were times where we felt an institution was throwing a coach under the bus improperly. One hearing we had, that became evident and [we] dismissed everything against the coach and said, 'Go home.' "

Does, anyone think anything good will come of this?

Again, Floyd has the right to attempt to clear his name but that is a moral victory for him. Floyd's rep in the college game is shot, I have a hard time seeing him ever coaching again in the college ranks. Floyd already fell on his sword when it was clear that Mike Garrett would no longer support his coach. Floyd has had a number of months to let things settle and get his head clear...don't think that he won't be looking to get his pound of flesh out Garrett/USC after the shoddy way he was treated. This could turn into a free for all with all that we have already read and seen in the press in regards to the relationship between Garrett and Floyd. Either way USC will be left holding the bag for the Mayo mess regardless of who is at fault.

Another reason this is pointless is that with USC self-imposing sanctions on the basketball team they have already signaled wrongdoing. What more is there to prove? There isn't anything Floyd can say that will change that. The NCAA could accept or add to the self-imposed sanctions already handed down. The only thing the NCAA potentially gets out of this is more ammunition to use against USC.

This is why Sample should have fired Garrett on the spot. He knew of Guillory's past and still let him roam free on campus. Floyd has some culpability too...He surely knew of Guillory's past and gambled, but it was Garrett who should have said NO in the firmest fashion.

SC would have been fine had the Mayo issue not come up.

But with Mayo it gave the NCAA all it needs to try and hit USC hard.

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Nothing Good will come out of this

But I don’t think it would worsen USC’s situation. I think the self-imposed sanctions was a huge help in USC’s case and the NCAA will probably add a few penalties. I’m holding my breath for the Bush case. I read on USC’s rivals site that the Bush case was just “a small chapter” in the hearings. I think a reduce in scholarships is ultimately what we’re leaning on with that regard.

by Julio Nievas on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

FULL COURT PRESS

In addition attending will be:
Steven Sample, USC president
Mike Garrett, athletic director
Pete Carroll, former football coach
Lane Kiffin, current football coach
Todd McNair, running backs coach
Todd Dickey, senior vice president for administration
Ellen Ferris, associate provost for athletic compliance
Noel Ragsdale, faculty athletic representative
Larry Scott, Pac-10 Commissioner
This is the USC/Pac-10 All-Stars

STILL LOCO AFTER ALL THESE YEARS!
NOW CELEBRATING THE DAWN OF THE AGE OF AUGUSTUS

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by M. AGRIPPA on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

Apparently he’s on his own, though reports are that he’s pretty palsy-walsy with PC.

STILL LOCO AFTER ALL THESE YEARS!
NOW CELEBRATING THE DAWN OF THE AGE OF AUGUSTUS

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by M. AGRIPPA on Feb 18, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he is going jump around and yell at everyone and then stall till 31 sec. have past then answer.

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

With Floyd there

How soon does he take the jacket off?

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by Joey Kaufman on Feb 18, 2010 3:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

=2

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Noel Ragsdale!!!

FWIW, I agree that Timmy and USC will likely point fingers at each other. But, I cannot fault the guy for fighting to clear his name. I still believe he did nothing wrong. Did you read the one quote from compliance to Timmy re: Mayo, “It would be wrong of us NOT to recruit Mayo if we can’t prove that he has had agent dealings….” paraphrasing there. USC encouraged Timmy to go after Mayo!

On another note, I was really interested in faculty athletics rep Ragsdale, who was also in this position DURING the Guillory-Trepagnier situation. Check her Bio!!! She is a bad ass. Harvard undergrad and ON THE NCAA APPEALS Committee. Of course, she will certainly have to recuse herself if USC appeals. USC certainly is sending in the big guns. How much would you pay to be able to sit in on these hearings? Wow.

http://lawweb.usc.edu/who/faculty/directory/contactinfo.cfm?detailid=241

by DFWTrojan on Feb 18, 2010 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

Ah it is just a bunch of administrating jerks Flapping their mouths off, they are really the problem in college sports.

They are no different then the Nestors of the world but they do get paid for doing nothing and are useless to the economy. He the dark ages it would be off with their heads for all, why does anyone need an AD, when I coached I did all the schedule making and fund raising for my tennis program. Hell the Ad would mess up everything if I let him put his hands in it.

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 18, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Let plus the rest my duties, Uniforms always got a great one for the kids, lodging on easter week matches.

All equipment and court cleaning, nets, windscreens and transportation, we even played Joeys HS and loved beating them. Not really St Francis had Little Art Hernandez a great player and good kid.

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 18, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Beg to differ

The recruiting of OJ Mayo isn’t the issue here. I mean, even if you consider the fact that (as spoken through countless interviews in the media) Ron Guillory was/is OJ Mayo’s mentor and advisor way before stepping on the USC campus- the fact of the matter is, Mayo’s recruiting (process, screening, and official acceptance) was vetted intensively by USC and the NCAA. And although Guillory was part of the Trepagnier-affair in which USC was hit with basketball sanctions some years prior to coming back into the USC-scene with OJ Mayo, his ability to officially interact and communicate with member NCAA intstitutions nationwide was already approved by the NCAA. In other words, he was “clean” and his situation- as it applies to recruits and student/athletes, was “water under the bridge” as far as they were concerned. (as well- AD Mike Garrett was more than likely holding similar sentiments regarding Guillory. maybe Garrett was willing to give Guillory a 2nd chance). Further, Tim Floyd more than likely had been briefed on Guillory regarding the Trepagnier affair and what had happened to USC- but because Coach Floyd had no direct contact with Guillory prior to taking the phone call that – supposedly, OJ Mayo instructed Guillory to initiate, I’ll bet Coach Floyd was also willing to overlook Guillory’s past association/dealings with USC and allow Guillory to redeem himself by doing things by the book this time around with OJ.

More importantly though, no matter what Guillory was responsible for in the Trepagnier affair- at the time of OJ Mayo’s decision to attend university-level basketball play/education- Ron Guillory was so imbedded with the Mayo family that OJ himself looked up to Guillory as not just his mentor/advisor- but as his step-father. As OJ’s biological father was AWOL and living life as a small-time criminal/drug addict and had absolutey no (or very little) contact with OJ Mayo, his mother (who was raising OJ all by herself), or any other member of the Mayo family. As a teenager, every boy and girl need a father-figure AND mother-figure to help guide and shape their ever-changing character and minds as they go from youth to young-adult. In other words, Guillory being associated with OJ May “the recruit” was secondary to the fact that he was OJ Mayo’s step-father, primarily.

And then the USC/Guillory twain meets up, yet again.

We still don’t truly know whether Louis Johnson’s assertion regarding Coach Floyd paying Ron Guillory cash is truthful or not? If it is true, then Guillory didn’t change one bit since the Trepagnier affair. If false, and Guillory or Coach Floyd can completely refute those claims with factual and detailed information that can be verified- then the NCAA, Garrett, Floyd, and USC Compliance dodged a bullet and were right in giving Guillory a second chance. The recruiting of OJ Mayo wouldn’t be a part of this polemic. As it really shouldn’t be in the first place because OJ, as a student/athlete HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG and he was a model-s/a for the one year that he played and attended. I’m proud of OJ Mayo. The student, athlete, and person.

I feel the same way about Coach Tim Floyd. Now if he’s guilty however, that will change.

AD Garrett? My problems with him are mainly with his infantile disposition regarding communicating with Trojan coaches, faculty, athletes, students, and fans. He has A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM. He makes unusual decisions (former Coach Gillespie and former Coach Trakh) and it seems he’s only out for himself. He’s displeasing as a person, unpleasant as a leader, and majorly disappointing as a communicator in the most high profile and top position that deals with communicating with the media, faculty, coaches & players, students, and more importantly- the fans.

If we didn’t have ever have OJ Mayo in a Trojan uniform (remember, Coach Floyd didn’t “recruit” OJ Mayo, OJ Mayo recruited USC by way of Guillory. OJ WANTED to be a Trojan, Coach Floyd never offered and never spent a dime on his recruitment until that fatefull telephone call from Guillory that august day/night)- we wouldn’t be talking about 3 post season appearances, quality recruiting classes (basketball), and closing gaps with the stronger teams in the PAC 10.

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 18, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

This is what I find puzzling

The NCAA signed off on Mayo. They knew about Guillory’s involvement, and they cleared him. Mike Garrett knew every aspect of Mayo’s recruitment, and he greenlit the process. The NCAA, Garrett, and Floyd all should have took one look at Guillory and turned away from Mayo. Now it all came back to bite them in the butt and they collectively seem to be throwing their hands up and claiming innocence. It seems like the NCAA is getting on their hight horse and asking why he was allowed near the program, even though they cleared Mayo to play. Garrett threw Floyd under the bus, and would like nothing other than to blame the whole giant mess on Floyd, but he allowed Mayo to be a Trojan, and he knew more about Guillory’s past with Trepangnier than Floyd would have. Then you have Floyd who has a grab the player, and ask questions later attitude when it comes to possible NCAA rules being broken.

Guillory was a giant red flag. No one even looked at that flag until Johnson blew his self-serving whistle. Now everyone including Floyd is scrambling to say that it wasn’t their fault. The funny thing is, there isn’t a whole lot of physical evidence that Floyd or Mayo did anything wrong. The only tangible thing is the television set, which probably cost $1000 which isn’t completely out of the realm of affordable for a student athlete. Every time I saw Mayo on, or around campus, he was riding a bike, dressed in USC warmups.

I wonder if Mike Garret made a mistake by throwing Floyd under the bus, instead of asking him if Johnson’s allegations, and standing behind Floyd when Floyd proclaimed his innocence. If Floyd is innocent, I hope he rubs Garrett’s face in the truth, even if it means USC takes a harder hit.

by frak on Feb 20, 2010 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

Well I never knew about Guillorys involvement or I would have called the school said wtf.

Plus if all is good about TF why would this make the NCaa hit the team with any wrong doing. So what in the heck is todays team doing on any sanctions and no post ban, did USC find something and they are reporting. Another thing as soon as I found out that Mayo (that big Prick) broke Danny’s Jaw, I wanted him out.

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 20, 2010 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

According to Garrett

Since Guillory assisted USC with the recruitment of Mayo, he was therefore a booster for USC, which made the whole thing improper. I don’t buy this at all. Guillory was always a Mayo representative. He never represented USC’s interests, or was a USC booster.

by frak on Feb 20, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yah what is really up

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 20, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

USC Encouraged Timmy to Pursue Mayo

I don’t think the grab the player, ask questions later characterization is quite accurate. At least according to Timmy’s comments. I’m not going to look for the quote, but Timmy said something like, “Our compliance told me that we would be wrong not to offer OJ a scholie if we could not find any improper agent dealings.” I think Tim, USC, and the NCAA did a thorough review of OJ’s amateur status. They asked the questions, but found OJ clean.

The error seems to be our compliance and AD’s attitude of not erring on the side of conservatism. A willingness to take chances. A blind eye to Guillory’s past. Guillory should have been persona non grata at USC. However, the NCAA rule that deems an agent’s runner to be a booster is complete and total BS.

by DFWTrojan on Feb 20, 2010 10:02 AM PST reply actions  

Floyd said

that he knew that there were questions that were going to be asked about Mayo, but until more was known, it would be irresponsible not to recruit him.

Thats where I got the “Recruit first, ask questions later”

by frak on Feb 20, 2010 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks guys but all we have said shows how absurd this whole thing is, if this made a court of law it would have been Laughed out.

LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 20, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

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