Did the Pac-10 Commissioner tip his hand?
Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott made what I consider to be a very provocative statement to ESPN's Colin Cowherd yesterday in regards to USC meeting with the NCAA's Infraction Committee later this week.
As for other topics, Cowherd asked what it would mean for the conference if USC football got hammered by NCAA sanctions.
Said Scott, "I don't expect that."
That response may be more than flip.
Keep in mind that the Pac-10 is the only conference that conducts its own investigations of potential member rules violations. Therefore, the conference probably has reviewed as much testimony and documentation from the USC case as the NCAA. Scott should have a fairly significant knowledge of what is going on, though he is new to college sports and is a neophyte when it comes to NCAA rules enforcement.
If true, I think Larry Scott is crazy to tip his hand like this. I also think it is incredibly naive. Scott has no idea what the NCAA will do...they haven't even met yet. Even if he has the same info as the NCAA that doesn't indicate how the NCAA will rule.The NCAA always like to save face.
The NCAA has to be the most inconsistent organization out there. They have never ruled with any consistency in major cases. They have been all over the map.
Their credibility is on the line and one of their mouth pieces is already trying to set the tone in trying to prop up that credibility in saying that USC will get no special treatment...
Tom Yeager, currently the commissioner of the Colonial Athletic Association, said definitely that the committee wouldn’t show the Trojans any leniency because the football program is a big money-maker for the NCAA.
"Speaking for the people I served on the committee with, we wouldn’t go through the time, effort and sacrifice we go through with this procedure and do it for number of years if there was one sliver of a different set of standards for one institution versus another," Yeager said. "The whole process would fall apart. That’s completely out of there. That doesn’t happen.
"There are institutions that do a better job with their cases. But if there was any hint of (bias), people would close their books, walk out and never come back."
I disagree...
All organizations have bias.
The NCAA is going to have their books open for the world to see in the upcoming O'Bannon v. NCAA lawsuit that will be going forward. Their tax exempt status could be in jeopardy and their bank account could get hit hard as well as their ability to keep bringing the money in. If the NCAA expects to keep the money flowing they can't punish their big time programs too hard, especially on the west coast. Where they get little exposure to begin with because of late start times and crappy TV deals.
Why is that?
It is simple really. The NCAA can justify any position they want. We have seen it before. There is no democracy only their way or the highway. Depending on your point of view the decisions that they hand down can be viewed as either too harsh or too lenient, they are never just right. They are the final say...until someone decides to kick them in the teeth. Sooner or later it will happen...they will go too far in metting out punishment and then the whole thing will fold like a house of cards.
Why have there been no "death penalty" rulings since SMU? Because SMU was never the same. Their ability to generate money for the NCAA was crippled forever. The NCAA needs every dime they can get from every program out there to keep the machine running. So, USC will not get the death penalty.
As I noted yesterday, Anthony did a great job of mocking all the rumors floating around out there. I would take his post and work backwards...that is where the punishment will be found.
Like it or not good or bad, the NCAA is a business. They are smart enough to make business decisions and keeping the money flowing is rule #1. They can talk all they want about the well being of the student athlete, but we all know that is a smoke screen. If they weren't concerned about the money they would not have fought so vigorously to have the O'Bannon lawsuit thrown out.
The NCAA is going to have a tough time nailing USC football unless they can prove someone on the staff knew. I said numerous time that USC can't go around snooping into the financial dealings of their players families. Even if they could they wouldn't. There is an expectation of privacy...even when someone is breaking rules (notice I didn't say breaking laws). It is impossible to track the whereabouts or dealings of predatory agents or would-be agents that hang around heritage Hall or Howard Jones Field. Once they are off of the campus they can move and contact players or their families at will.
Again, if Oklahoma and Alabama can play in MNC games the previous two years after what they went through with the NCAA then I see no reason why USC can't. It isn't about bias it is about precedent. The NCAA can't hammer USC too hard if it expects the ruling to stand. Schools are not afraid to take the NCAA on in court if they feel that the punishment handed down is too harsh. And the NCAA does not want to fight a war on two fronts.
I can see where the NCAA could hammer basketball for all the reasons we have discussed in the past. But foot ball is a different story.
In the end there will be haters who want to see us go down but it won't happen. Sensational articles like the one Doc Saturday put up yesterday with factual inaccuracies will continue to pop up in order to stir the pot...water off a ducks back.
The NCAA is not kidding anyone...they have to punish USC in some way but if they want the money to continue to flow they can't hammer SC too hard. They cannot have the #1 football program on the west coast, one of the top programs in the country not bringing in the money they desperately need. SC will get hit...they will lose some schollies, maybe vacate some wins but they won't be banned from the post season, they won't lose any TV time. It will be more of a bruised ego in the end more than anything else.
Maybe Larry Scott knows something that we don't but he should be prudent and keep his mouth shut while not pissing off the NCAA and let it play out...
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There is a reason the NCAA allows the Pac10 to conduct their own investigations
It’s because the Pac10 budget for that is as large as that of the entire NCAA for all sports. Scott has seen what the NCAA has, but you are right he should have kept his mouth shut. The NCAA is completely unpredictable with their first ruling, sanity returns upon appeal. However at that point the PR damage is done.
EV, how does the appeal work?
You sound knowledgeable on this matter. Is there a separate, independent appeals committee, hopefully, without the ND AD sitting on it?
I just read and retain.
I have no idea other than it’s pretty much SOP to appeal. Using FSU as an example, they have a set number of days to reply and the NCAA has a set number to review and decide. I known a committee is involved but that is about it. I the past, the appeal is pretty much run by the book, the emotion of the initial penalty is taken out of the equation. This is why OU got their wins back, but FSU didn’t.
by ev on Feb 17, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Finally!
I so glad we’re coming to the end of this.
by Trojan Conquest on Feb 17, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions
Well I don't feel that the ncaa will step on the Pac-10, it wouldn't be wise. i feel the conference would somehow step back on the Ncaa.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 17, 2010 10:35 AM PST reply actions
Scott has an Agenda
I think that USC has the backing of the Pac 10 and if the NCAA were to hand down a decision that hurt the conference there could be an adverse reaction. Scott is aware of the evidence and is signalling to the NCAA what he would consider fair. I suspect he is not acting out of naivete, but rather attempting to position the conference in a favourable stature.
The NCAA does not need to open another front; it is already in a weak position with regards to football and wants to maintain the status quo. It will not take on the conference over this with a capricious penalty that ends up hurting everyone.
I agree, but just think the conference has UGLA FB heck isn't that what any group just needs.
The dancing Little bear and the BNers gleefully roving about, but in the end they forgot that you have to win. What everyone forgets is that are they going to not let USC play football, no even if they take post season you are talking 1 meaningless game. Players will still come for the coaches and the competition and still get better and drafted in the NFL. BNers don’t get it it is not BB, it is FB no March Madness, just crappy bowl games. Players don’t come to USC for the Bowl games or TV, because they know all the scouts will be here looking. Most scouts can’t even find Ugla or don’t want to.
No Matter what happens it will always be The University Of Southern California LA FB that people think of.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 17, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry if I missed this in the post...
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When are the meetings to be held? I know it is ‘this week,’ but what day(s)?
Where so I can picket
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by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 17, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ah those guys at the Ncaa have no guts, they should have it at HH, so we can protest and throw rubber fruit at them.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 17, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Recent Precedence
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/basketball/la-sp-ncaa-precedent17-2010feb17,0,1722363.story
All of these recent cases involve boosters, coaches, university staff and involve either illicit benefits or academic fraud.
I simply do not see today how USC could receive anything but lighter sanctions than the preceding cases. Our case solely involves agents and marketers for football. For some reason, Guillory is considered a booster for basketball, but I still don’t think the NCAA can prove that Timmy or anyone at SC knew that Guillory was giving money to OJ. OJ only owned a bike for transportation at SC.
So, some say there are “back room rumors” that the NCAA has evidence of more serious wrongdoing. The Internet is full of such egregious fabrications. YET, from execs INVOLVED who have reviewed the NCAA allegations letter and seen the evidence – Mike Garrett and Larry Scott – we hear “the situation is not dire”, “we have a strong case”, and “I don’t expect USC to get hammered.”
The circumstantial evidence from people in the know also corroborates the hard evidence reported to date. The challenge is to try to separate the “hard” evidence from the piles of provocative crap filler content on the net. The NCAA does not have evidence of USC staff or boosters (other than Guillory, whom I refuse to call a booster) knowingly participating in illicit activity.
I don’t have a problem with Larry Scott making an extremely brief comment on this matter. Precedence has been set. We know what we are dealing with. Results can be reasonably forecasted. We should go in prepared for the worst, but have confidence that the results will be fair. And, if they are fair, they will not be severe. USC has done nothing wrong other than allowing Guillory to hang around campus. As for the Bush case, what should we have done differently? I am not sure what we could have done, and am afraid that agents will always find a way to reach high profile players and their families anywhere they play.
The NCAA does not have evidence of USC staff or boosters (other than Guillory, whom I refuse to call a booster) knowingly participating in illicit activity.
Really?
Then we’re scot-free.
by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
As for the Bush case, what should we have done differently? I am not sure what we could have done, and am afraid that agents will always find a way to reach high profile players and their families anywhere they play.
People forget that the NCAA eased up on schools policing agents back in 2001 because, as DFW said, agents will always find a way. Check out this quote from Steve Morgan, a former NCAA enforcement chief about agents:
“It’s extremely difficult for an institution to police that,‘’ said Morgan, who oversaw the NCAA’s enforcement division from 1985 to 1996 and now works for a law firm in Kansas that represents schools in NCAA matters. "So sometimes a benefit can be conferred by an agent, but there never would really be any institutional responsibility about that.’’
by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Gillroy is considered a booster because of past dealings with the school and
directing a recruit to USC (Mayo). Loyd and Michaels would clearly be considered agents even though technically they weren’t’ even that. The LA Times did a really piss poor job on that article, none of those other cases are even close to Bush. They would have been better off just explaining the differences, but then they would have been accused of being pro USC. Don’t want that out of the BruinTimes.
The NCAA Infractions Committee will only. . . .
. . . .hand down a harsh sentence (read: one that reads similar to USC’s self-imposed basketball sanctions, plus something additional like instead of a 1-year self-imposed post season ban- a 2 or 3 year ban, as well as hitting USC fooball with by vacating wins from the Bush’s final season, any monetary damages in excess of 100K, more than 5-less scholarships to would be recruits, loss of any/all football or athletic program revenue sharing, and/or any ban on post-season play) IF they errantly dismiss or consciously overlook the verifiable data that USC presents that might exonerate or refute any/all of the allegations against them.
In short, if the NCAA consciously imposes unfair and unprecedented sanctions/penalties against USC in order to satisfy the public’s interest in seeing USC get hammered in this investigation of “Lack of Institutional Control” (that’s what it’s being considered as, in the eyes of the NCAA) and IN SPITE of compelling evidence to prove otherwise- they will have to provide equally compelling evidence before the NCAA Appeals Panel to disprove USC’s evidence of innocence at the next level.
Considering the totality of witnesses, breadth of evidence, and representatives (both university and conference principals scheduled to be in attendance)- this convening NCAA Committee appearing and judging this investigation HAS TO BE totally “on” and extremely transparent in determining their conclusions and judgements. Something tells me the NCAA will not render judgements unwisely or with regard to public perception. If they do, they will wish they hadn’t.
And USC, for that matter, had better provide extensive research, NCAA bylaw interpretation, and hard/verifiable evidence to prove innocence in wrongdoing or malfeasance. Having both ex-coaches in attendance in case their testimony is warranted and/or the execution of their duties and responsibilities are put into question by the NCAA investigators- is a major plus on USC’s side. The conference up and ups are surely a good sign in order to prevent and/or be witness to any obvious bias from the investigating and judging panels that the NCAA will provide, thereby having the luxury of being witness to any and all perceptions of NCAA untoward bias and presentation. The fact that the principals in charge of compliance and student affairs at USC will be present is also a great sign, as it shows that USC is serious, prepared, and ready to refute and counter those allegations against them that they feel they are innocent of. The daily capacity of what these principals do at USC is enormous and having them attend is a great sign of USC’s preparation and belief that they did not violate NCAA compliace or were irresponsible in duty or function- as it applies to Bush and Mayo .
Considering the self-imposed sanctions USC placed upon itself, shows that some things were done in error as it pertains to basketball. But. . . .NOT in football.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
I still feel that taking this team out of Post season is wrong, consider that mayo was cleared by Ncaa. Unless coach TF is lying (i think not) there is no wrong doing.
Well we shall see, sometimes I wish my moms side of the family (italian) were wise guys and I could send uncle louie to talk to the Ncaa committee. Heck as I said earlier today the ncaa is just like organized crime.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 18, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions

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