Busy little beavers at the NCAA
by Paragon SC on Dec 23, 2010 9:28 AM PST
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Selling rings and apparel in exchange for tattoo's
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Five football student-athletes from The Ohio State University must sit out the first five games of the 2011 season for selling awards, gifts and university apparel and receiving improper benefits in 2009, the NCAA has determined.
A sixth football student-athlete must sit out the first game in 2011 for receiving discounted services in violation of NCAA rules.
The violations fall under the NCAA’s preferential treatment bylaws.
In addition to missing five games next season, student-athletes Mike Adams, Daniel Herron, Devier Posey, Terrelle Pryor and Solomon Thomas must repay money and benefits ranging in value from $1,000 to $2,500. The repayments must be made to a charity.
Comical in so many ways.
Really, who cares about a few trinkets.
But it does beg the question...(from Joe Schad's Twiiter feed)
How badly must Terrelle Pryor have needed money to sell his Big Ten ring, a sportsmanship award and his gold pants?
Edit: And then there is this...
Now that is being consistent!!
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because the NCAA spun its wheel of destiny
and 5 games next season came up. The wheel actually seemed to stop on “Jim Tressel must eat a 96 ponce steak in under 90 minutes or USC will lose 2 more scholarships” but thankfully inertia carried it over.
So I guess the logic is:
tOSU gets to play 5 guys who received benefits for a bowl game, even though the moment they did that makes them ineligible. But thats all ok because Pryor sold his stuff to help his mother. Man this is hilarious. I will bet anyone that we lose the appeal. Why you ask? Because it can’t get any more inconsistent than this.
yeah its absurd
why do they make rules and outline any punishment standards if they come up with non-sense punishments. Here’s a better question — didn’t Bush do what he did to help his mom? He didn’t live in that house — his family did. Does Reggie get punished for doing a better job of taking care of his family?
Why don't they punish the school?
Scholie’s, loss of victories, etc. etc.
as stated above “The school should have known!” High profile athletes = high supervision
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
Why do they get to play in a bowl game?
It’s really quite simple. It turns out that there was a brief window of time between Dec 2004 and January 2006 when schools where expected to know exactly what their high profile athletes were up to. But before that and after that, it was decided that it was simply too much to expect of a university. For example, when Rhett Bomar et Al. were receiving income from a car dealership a the same time they were at football practice, no reason OU should have known about it…no significant penalties, no vacated games. When Cecil Newton was using the services of an agent to shop Cam to SEC schools, same deal. Who knew? Not Cam…that’s for sure. And when LaMicheal James was given a car by his brand new best friend ‘uncle’, no big deal. So what if he had 9 grand in his bank acount with way to account for it? High profile monitering for a high profile athlete was just too complicated for some schools to handle. And now…nummerous high profile athletes at tOSU are excused for not knowing the rules. Well, obviously, you cant expect tOSU to have provided a high profile instruction of the rules to its high profile athletes…that would violate the principle for plausible deniabily…which the NCAA grants on a selective basis whenever it want to.
To answer your question, the NCAA concluded that all five players, if suspended, will very likely turn pro next year, so that’s when they decided to impose the suspensions next year. If they thought the players would have returned, then they probably would have defered the suspenions until 2012. NCAA justice!
by TrojanJAG on Dec 23, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Because they didn't know!"
That’s the reason Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs, gave in the NCAA statement. Oh, and that tOSU didn’t gain any competitive advantage.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5950873
A good tattoo costs a lot more than a hotel room...
…lot more! I don’t suppose anyone from tOSU thought to ask the players about it.
It wasn't just autographs for tattoo's....
they were selling rings, jersey & trophy’s
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
I believe that the NCAA doesn't have the ability to suspend them from a BCS game
because they are considered exhibition matches outside of the NCAA season, although I could be wrong about that
Drinking so much that you forget your name is like trying to cure cancer, it might not be possible, but you should never stop trying.
by Trojanbrand on Dec 23, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
You might be right
But if they do not have the ability to suspend players from bowl games, then how do they have the power to vacate a bowl?
The interesting question is:
How are they going to punish Pryor if he plays in the Sugar Bowl, and turns pro immediately afterwards, which I’m sure he will do.
According to Stewart Mandel’s column:
That date [November 2009], however, was also the key in justifying why the players won’t miss the bowl. AD Gene Smith claims the school was “not as explicit with our student-athlete education as we should have been in the 2007-08 and 2008-09 academic years regarding the sale of apparel, awards and gifts issued by the athletics department.” Translation: The players didn’t know they were breaking the rules as they were breaking them. (Suspend disbelief starting now.)
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Crap! How many more scholies is this going to cost USC?
OK, so I’m off topic, but face it boys, we’re being sandbagged at every turn. No one suffers any consequences except USC.
Pete Carroll knew of what he spoke when yelled F*ck You at Bellotti.Time will reveal that Phil Knight has been working the levers behind the scenes to get us out of the way of his precious little quackers. Kelly is the only coach that is still doing sanctions based negative recruiting against USC, that’s not a coincidence, it’s a script. It’s no wonder the Pac-10 has remained dead silent through all of this.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Yah double that and USC should quit using Nike and switch to Adidas or UA, champion, NB.
Lets face it the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 24, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+infinity
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
The one I hated the most as a student was
the Pepsi sponsorship. No problem with Pepsi per say, I just don’t think it tastes as good as Coke
WTF!
Pat Forde has a good take, espcially the part about not suspending players from bowl games because they are “unique opportunities.”
players were not advised of the rules
looks like a lack of institutional control to me.
Fuck this sport.
You know what?
I will continue to passionately follow and support my USC Trojans, but the sport of Division I (or FBS or whatever the hell they’re calling it today) college football is dead to me. The corruption and hypocrisy seeping through every pore of the powers that be in the NCAA make boxing look sterling.
This is fucking infuriating
Really, the outcome of this whole episode is that it was OK because the players were
1) doing it to take care of their families and
2) not fully aware of the rules
are you fucking kidding me? Is this some sort of sick, twisted joke? And they get suspended for games they will never play in after going pro?
The more occurrences of NCAA “enforcement” made public like this (along with the Cam Newton mess) simply amplify the perception that the NCAA was targeting USC to take them down without letting facts get in the way.
Tell me, do players get any more high profile than Cam Newton or Terrelle Pryor? Where is the high profile compliance?!?! I’m seeing less compliance in these situations than with Reggie Bush!
The NCAA is a fucking sham. This is shameful and deplorable.
Merry fucking Christmas, tOSU, you get off Scot-free with suspensions of players who most likely will not return next year (and who’s suspensions will probably be reduced) because you did a good enough job of not educating your players as to what the rules were. Truly, a new shiny gold standard of how athletic compliance should operate!
Seriously, the more time that passes and the more shit that surfaces elsewhere in the country, the more obvious it is becoming that USC was targeted with specific intent to decimate the program without any precedent or plan for adhering to set precedent. It was a setup!
Mandel really nailed it in his article (as usual). This says it all:
“If it [the NCAA] truly wanted to send a message about … whatever it is it’s trying to send a message about, it would have said: “Sorry, the ‘we didn’t know’ defense doesn’t hold water.” That’s certainly what the Committee on Infractions told USC back in June."
There is no consistency whatsoever!
hell yea!
Although SC football is my favorite sport, college football is the biggest piece of shit sport there is. I hate it right now. I have already taken every game gay off of work next year but I won’t watch another teams game till this shit stops!
by USC_Fire on Dec 23, 2010 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This whole ncaa thing is "kafkaesque" don't you think?
“Kafkaesque” is an eponym used to describe concepts, situations, and ideas which are reminiscent of the literary work of the Austro-Hungarian writer Franz Kafka, particularly his novels The Trial and The Castle, and the novella The Metamorphosis.
The term, which is quite fluid in definition, has also been described as “marked by a senseless, disorienting, often menacing complexity: Kafkaesque bureaucracies”1 and “marked by surreal distortion and often a sense of impending danger: Kafkaesque fantasies of the impassive interrogation, the false trial, the confiscated passport … haunt his innocence”
It can also describe an intentional distortion of reality by powerful but anonymous bureaucrats. “Lack of evidence is treated as a pesky inconvenience, to be circumvented by such Kafkaesque means as depositing unproven allegations into sealed files...” Another definition would be an existentialist state of ever-elusive freedom while existing under unmitigable control.
The adjective refers to anything suggestive of Kafka, especially his nightmarish style of narration, in which characters lack a clear course of action, the ability to see beyond immediate events, and the possibility of escape. The term’s meaning has transcended the literary realm to apply to real-life occurrences and situations that are incomprehensibly complex, bizarre, or illogical.
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
The Metamorphosis of USC from Rare Dynasty to NCAA Whipping Boy
“When Reggie Bush awoke from troubled dreams one morning, he found that he had been transformed in his bed into an enormous bug….”
Kafkaesque is apropos.
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Especially if you are a southern or midwestern man and the nail is a rare Pac10 dynasty.
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
Call is "redistribution," courtesy of Ducks owner Phil Knight, the Fat F*ck and ND's Missy Conboy.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?
Well I think they will have to reduce sanctions or they get sued and exposed for what they really are thieves.
Lets face it the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 24, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions
Will a Lawsuit happen quickly?
if USC sues, how long till it goes to trial and reaches a verdict
can’t the NCAA just dodge and delay for 3 years until the sanctions are
over and it doesn’t matter?
Sanctions would be stayed via a restraining order in the lawsuit, in all likelihood
Hard to predict, but a real lawsuit would likely take a few years. And, if there is a suit, I just don’t see either side reaching an earlier settlement as the fight is really about brand value. Then, if there are appeals of the first verdict, then it could last forever, figuratively speaking.
A Quick Note for the Quitters
No comment from this thread will be deleted. You will have to own them when we get it turned around and beat Southern Cal. You will never ride the bandwagon when we come back. Not on BN. GO BRUINS.
by Nestor on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT
that doesn't sound to promising
i know that civil trials do not always have a clear winner or loser
do you know if there is a precedent for a stay?
maybe a better question is what is the NCAA record in previous lawsuits.
somebody must have that on file right? any idea where i could look that up?
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