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USC 16 Notre Dame 20 the streak ends at 8...

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The defense did their thing tonight. They pressured the QB and created turnovers. They had some issues stopping the run and it showed on Notre Dame's last scoring drive. Even being banged up and thin on the depth chart they hung in there. You can't hang this one on Monte Kiffin.

The offense was once again perplexing.

Kicker Joe Houston scored more points than the USC offense did...That is saying something.

Instead of starting off the game with a few running plays Lane Kiffin threw on the first three plays. Mustain overthrew his first pass and almost had another pass picked off in that first series....Why?

I don't get it...

Why not run the ball? What is he so afraid of in these games? Why does he hamstring this team with his conservative play calling? Kiffin is making it difficult for us to support him when he constantly mismanages the clock and his personnel.

It doesn't matter.

It would be easy to say that we now know why Mitch Mustain was never the starter but that is unfair. Playing on the practice squad while barely getting any real playing time in the last 3 1/2 years what could we have expected?

Of course it wasn't all Mustain's fault our receivers dropped a number of passes...especially RoJo's sure game winning TD right there at the end.

Lets be clear, things are going to get worse with the sanctions really hitting us next year. I am not buying any of the rumors at this point.

I really don't have much more to say.

Feel free to vent...this our post game thread.

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The defense, who cares - the offense, truly offensive!

Shereece Wright is leaving as his legacy is anything but steller.
Only hope Lane can find some defensive players in the JC ranks that can fill selected spots on the roster.
Now as to MM, well, on to the real world, which obviously is not SC football.
Thought he was better when he transferred, however,….
Next season recruiting should be interesting.
as to ucla, good luck next week – should be a loss, based on tonight’s performance.

by TrojanRick on Nov 27, 2010 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

Disagree

“It would be easy to say that we now know why Mitch Mustain was never the starter but that is unfair. Playing on the practice squad while barely getting any real playing time in the last 3 1/2 years what could we have expected?”

Generally speaking, there’s a reason backups are backups. Look at what Morris did at Miami when given a shot, or what Rudy carpenter did at ASU a few years back, or even with Matthew Scott did when Nick Foles went down.

I’m not giving Mustain a pass on this one. He has no excuse.

This certainly takes the luster off CLK’s first year, but I’ll reserve judgment until after the season ends.

Fight on! Beat the bRuins!

Fight On! Beat the Wolverines!

by USCLink on Nov 27, 2010 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

WOW!

One game is all you will give him…color me perplexed.

nevermind.

Like I said you think this is bad wait until the sanctions really take effect…

Buckle up everyone.

by Paragon SC on Nov 27, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll get thru this

,but you are right. This thing will hurt.

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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley

by WE ARE SC on Nov 27, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Mustain's fault

Which was obvious to all in attendance.

From my view in the pouring rain we saw the receiver drop at least TD potential passes, including the RoJo heartbreaker at the end.

Had RoJo held onto the ball, Mustain would be the conquering hero and everybody would be claiming he should have been the starter all along.

He made the mistakes I’d expect him to make having not played gametime football in three years. He also put them in a position to win and was let down by butterfingery receivers.

I’ve seen worse games from Barkley — multiple times.

by BrandoPolo on Nov 27, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

What happens when the sanctions "really take effect"?

You keep saying this, but I don’t understand how the sanctions that have not yet been implemented will make us worse off than we are today?

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Reduced to 80 in '11; we are at 70 scholie players today

How is that worse? Even if miraculously the Appeal is heard and denied before LOI Day in Feb’11, USC will still be allowed 75 scholie players, more than we have on the roster today.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

not sure about the 80 but I believe we can sign no more than 15 IIRC

we lose 10 schollies a year and we still have some incoming seniors who can transfer penalty free that we can’t replace and early departures (Casey?) as well…

by Paragon SC on Nov 28, 2010 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

On the other hand...

You were displeased with Houston earlier in the season, right? And he came through tonight by virtue of sticking with it.

It’s certainly possible that Mustain never had “it” but lack of game time won’t have helped.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 27, 2010 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Now we're picking up speed!

Wait, is that the edge of the cliff? Reverse! Reverse!

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 27, 2010 8:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Haha

"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.

by douchiedude on Nov 27, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I foresee great things for us

General admission tickets returning!

Pirated OJ and Marcus Allen jerseys getting way cheaper on ebay!

Better prices on bacon-wrapped hot dogs from business-starved salesmen near the Rose Garden!

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 27, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me about it...

…guy tried to charge me $5 for a ghetto dog after the Oregon game.

I was like “I’m sorry, I’m not paying Norm Chow prices anymore, bro.”

by BrandoPolo on Nov 27, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Cassell got drafted because he never played

Mustain was hoping to repeat that except he got to play today.
I can’t blame someone who hasn’t played a game in that many years (even though he played much better against us in Arkansas). It was a collective mis-effort, starting from the coach. Mustain was actually making some good throws in 4th quarter. Maybe that carries over to the next game!

Pete never hired a real D-cord. because he ran it so well. Maybe Lane needs a signal caller who is more familiar in the college game. His offensive play calling since oregon has been questionable.

by TrojanInAtlanta on Nov 27, 2010 8:47 PM PST reply actions  

I've got another bright side!

It’s further proof the program is being cleaned up! Because you don’t have game like that when you pay players!

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 27, 2010 8:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I don't understand this comment

This is the kind of BS haters like to say, but from one of our own? I must be missing something here … sarcasm, right?
’Cuz when have we been “paying players”? When has that even been suggested?

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Nov 28, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Self deprecating humor. DC and the Cal Bears have elevated it to an artform.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not going to blame Mitch

RoJo catches that ball & we are a revelling in victory! Bottom line, I still love being a Trojan!

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 27, 2010 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

Rojo

Most overrated player on the offensive side of the ball
Shereece Wright on the defensive side.
Good luck next wek, as we will need it.
All streaks are meant to be broken, and one went tonight, and the next one will probably go next Saturday night.

by TrojanRick on Nov 27, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Disgree on RoJo...he has carried us in the past

the WR over the past few games have not been at their best but they are hardly over rated…I am not buying it.

I will buy into Wright…his missed season last year hurts us more now…he let his team down that extra year would have been the difference tonight…

by Paragon SC on Nov 27, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

never could become our go-to receiver

maybe the arrival of woods had something to do with it.
you could always count on D.William last year to be sure handed

by TrojanInAtlanta on Nov 27, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

True

RoJo was an “athlete” out of HS who never had good hands. He worked like hell at WR, but just doesn’t have innate WR skills, like Damian.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's not turn into jackass homers

who rip on college kids just because our team lost.

A lot of guys played crummy games and could’ve done much better. That’s life.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 27, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

+100000000000000000000000000000000

by Dodgermanramon on Nov 27, 2010 8:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

me neither

O-line did not block well
receivers dropped some easy ones

by TrojanInAtlanta on Nov 27, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I just got back, after watching with friends. WTF, we had a lead in the 4th quarter and as you point out, that pass to RoJo was a TD; if not dropped. I hate losing this kind of game, but we aren’t F-ing bRuins, we FIGHT ON.

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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley

by WE ARE SC on Nov 27, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No Passion------------------Lane has No Passion-------

If I am Haden I walk into Lanes office on monday and say if you lose to ucla PACK YOUR BAGS MF.

Lets face it USC fans and supporters the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 27, 2010 8:55 PM PST reply actions  

Not only is that NOT Haden's style...

But, Lane did not recruit his current players, so you really cannot blame LK. The fact that he/dad installed a new defense makes things that much more difficutl, so neither are to blame this season, but wait,…the next few seasons are his to …..!

by TrojanRick on Nov 27, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry but that was the worst coaching I have seen since Hacket

I always feel you have to put pressure on people to let them know they have to be better than the last day.

Lets face it USC fans and supporters the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 27, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

so.cal.native...

If you’re going to have a message insulting your rivals in italics at the bottom of all of your messages, you probably ought to make sure it is free of glaring errors.

Aside:
Nestor is gone from bruinsnation. hooray!

by balancedbruin on Nov 27, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Fuck You TOO

Lets face it USC fans and supporters the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 28, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder what happened

1. His mom took away his internet access because he got bad grades
2. Finally got admitted to a comprehensive anger management program
3. He finally had a psychological break and decided to head up into the Angeles to live in the woods Kaczynski style, where he’ll write his manifestos on a typewriter in a scary cabin now

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 28, 2010 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

well...

of those three options, I imagine number 3 would be the most likely.

Personally, I’ve always marveled at his similarities with Kim Jong Il and can’t help but notice the timing of his departure and of recent events on the peninsula. Coincidence or conspiracy?

by balancedbruin on Nov 28, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he has no passion

He’s not a rah-rah guy or a yelling screaming guy.

He’s no Pete or Mike Stoops.

But he’s certainly capable of running the program successfully, let’s not kid ourselves.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 27, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

As a realist

I believe that Lane will be our coach for three years or so. I know of no team on probation that has kept their “probationary coach” beyond that time frame.

Lane will try to build up his resume/reputation, via a clean USC program, and leave after his short stint is done. In his early 30’s, he has many years to once again move up the ladder after “reviving an ailing Tennessee” and “cleaning up USC during its probationary period”.

... the Fighting Wesleyans

by USChawai'ian on Nov 27, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

you might hate to hear this but...

This is on the whole offense. When a receiver was open the ball was overthrown. When the ball was spot on it was dropped or the receiver gave up on the play. This is not the best called game but Kiffen was playing with half a deck. I don’t know if he is the answer but he is not tonights problem and to say anything else is jumping the gun. This is a lack of heart and execution by the players on O, and a total FU job by the NCAA. Next year we need to stock the trenches with players that want to play and be here. Bring out the redshirts in full force and play like there is no tomorrow from day one. One theme next year “redemption!” God let’s at least beat the bruins.

by USC_Fire on Nov 27, 2010 8:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

"Redemption"

dude you got me pumped. I’m going to be extremely disappointed if it’s like this and it’ll be all your fault!

"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.

by douchiedude on Nov 27, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Should be the mantra for 2011

I love the term redemption – maybe it is time to get it started as we head from the brink to the 2011 season.
We do need, and have, a backup(2) for MB7, and neither are MM.
Progress.
We still need a real running game, a replacement for Stanley, and at least ONE Super Field Goal Kicker, although I am hardly complaining about Houston’s performance tonight. He was the offense!!!

by TrojanRick on Nov 27, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

At least?

With the way we have been playing? Our only hope lies in the fact that we might come out pumped up for this game. I’m used to being let down though.

As far as who is to blame? Mustain was okay, can’t blame him for his receivers dropping wide open passes, especially at the end there. The OL sucked on the run-block plain and simple. Whether that is the coaches fault, I don’t know. Your run game seemed better in earlier games than what was on display tonight.

ND was playing without their starting QB (not like that is a big deal) but Armando Allen and Kyle Rodolph being out hurt. I’m thinking Kelly had a good game plan more than anything.

EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM

by Bruins102NCAA on Nov 27, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Well stated by Fire

It appeared to me as if ND won the battle of the trenches on both sides of the ball. Not in a landslide, but enough to overcome the turnovers and win.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

but gave up 3 long TD drives

I know, we looked really good for stretches. Then, ND would pull an 80 yard drive out of their butts. Defense improved, but painfully inconsistent.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:53 AM PST up reply actions  

huh?

but, the depth improves, and so will the quality

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

again, today we are at 70

75 > 70 = more depth

not by much though

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Quality just as important as quantity

the former is tough to cultivate without latter…especially when players go down. We are seeing that right now.

by Paragon SC on Nov 28, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

This

what you just said

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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley

by WE ARE SC on Nov 27, 2010 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

My apologies for my earlier post

I wrote in haste. Please see my fanpost for what I should have said.

Sorry Mitch. Thank you for your time, effort, and commitment to our program.

Fight On! Beat the Wolverines!

by USCLink on Nov 27, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

Mitch is a good guy by all accounts

And played tough. Tough game.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 27, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If anyone was at the game and saw the seniors take the field do they know why Stanley Havilli didn’t shake hands or hug Lane as he ran onto the field. All the other seniors did.

by Dodgermanramon on Nov 27, 2010 9:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Ok I was hoping that was the reason and not that he dislikes Lane.

by Dodgermanramon on Nov 27, 2010 9:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Kiffin is a gruff guy and very blunt

But I haven’t heard that guys dislike him for it. If anything, he’s honest… where, frankly, his predecessor wasn’t.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 27, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Heart goes out to you guys

Losing to Notre Dame… Ugh. I can only imagine that’s about on par to losing to Harbaugh :-(

by scotty256 on Nov 27, 2010 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

Having experienced both this year...

Harbaugh is an ass but at least the team held their own with Stanfurd. And when Harbaugh leaves, odds are The Farm goes back to pasture.

Losing to a Notre Dame team on the strength of two pretty dire performances… I think that might be worse.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 27, 2010 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Various kinds of wins

Stanford might earn the win, Washington might earn the win, yet ND did what…?!
Does anyone know how to get a win handed to them?!
ND does now!

by TrojanRick on Nov 27, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

USC has coughed up 3 4th quarter leads for losses this season

old excuse, but more depth would help.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

3 things

Lack of depth
Less conditioning
Low confidence on both sides of the ball

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 28, 2010 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, they played not to lose rather than win

totally agree

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't Mitch's fault he did the right things after the 1st quarter, I didn't see a full effort all night especially the offense.

I really don’t care if the team doesn’t win but only if it was a all-out effort, that is on the head coach to get those 40,000 dollar a year players to perform. Lane looked lost all night, maybe he should just move on to FSU his alma mater.

Lets face it USC fans and supporters the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 27, 2010 9:11 PM PST reply actions  

Gawd... I hate being right.

My prediction for this game was that the team that wanted it most and played the best defense wins. Sure enough that team won. One more bit of bad news in a season and pre-season wherein everything that could go wrong… did. So, I guess it was both this season’s fate combined with asking the impossible dream when a USC win depended on its defense defending a three point fourth quarter lead with over six minutes left. Could the Trojans get a stop when they really really really needed it? Is the Titanic a spaceship? Notre Dame answered USC by marching right down the field… over and through another “toreador” defense in seven plays (six on the ground). ‘Been there and done that’ haven’t we? At least all the youngsters watching the game were once again shown how to block and not to tackle. One last chance for SC and then briefly… ever so briefly… it seemed SC might just still pull it out. But Mitch Mustain’s first start as a Trojan ended as did the game with the last turnover on the night… and it was easily the evening’s biggest defensive play… but for not for SC. Again, one team finding a way to win and the other a way to lose. One gets the stop they absolutely have to have… and the other does not. Not supposed to give up four turnovers and win… but the Irish got away with it and the Trojans did not take enough advantage by leaving too many points on the field. Just another reminder how much 2010 (and beyond) is not and will not be the Trojan’s year. So, it’s on the “Anyone want this thing” bowl against the Bruins. Prediction? Same thing… the team that wants it most and plays the best defense wins. This stuff matters in rivalry games… so pardon the heck out me right now if I’m not all that optimistic.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 27, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

I have 2 disagree with you I think USC D played better the problem was that the O didn’t put TD’s on the board they settled for FG’s. You have to take advantage of TO’s with TD’s not Fg’s

by Dodgermanramon on Nov 27, 2010 9:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

other programs succeed with less-than-excellent talent, hopefully we will do the same as the scholarship ban takes effect

by rsmskylinegtr on Nov 27, 2010 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

No "D" no "W" ... no "D" or "O"... mail it in.

Agree… that SC’s “D” was better… for a while… than in the past… but NOT when it counted. VERY VERY hard to play this game without a quarterback…. didn’t work last year up in Washington nor tonight. Also agree, that SC left way too many points on the field… but Mustain was the guy and offense was what it was. With six minutes left… SC’s defense had to get a stop or at least prevent a TD. They did neither. Instead they played their worst stretch on the game. Until SC can get back to being a solid defensive team this stuff will go on and on and on and on. Sanctions or not.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 27, 2010 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think QB (MM) playing was the reason that the O played average at best they played like shit last weekend with MB7 @ QB. I think both O’ s played average USC D played better but when the game was on the table ND made the plays on O and D to win the game.

by Dodgermanramon on Nov 27, 2010 9:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

anyone want to guess when the last SC Touchdown from a pass was?

First quarter, Arizona game…………pathetic

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 27, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

Monte needs to retire

This bend but don’t break defense is breaking all the time, especially in crunch time. We got some lucky turnovers because their qb is young/inexperienced. Also, our front four played well until the 4th. Kelly saw that notre dame could just run it up the middle. It had been our secondary that had been letting us down in the 4th (wash and stan) but this time it was our d line. I thought orgeron could get them playing better this season. I’d be willing to pay randy shannon HC money for him to be d coordinator. That’s probably just wishful thinking.

by Seventh Year Senior on Nov 27, 2010 10:22 PM PST reply actions  

Let's not forget

That some of Pete’s defenses stunk too, and many of Pete’s defenses ran a bend but don’t break soft zone.

And gave up 30-40 points often.

The difference was that the offense was dynamic and confident enough to make up the difference.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 27, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

I have never liked SC, and liked them much less after hiring Kiffin. That said, I can’t imagine the circumstances that would lead me to root for Notre Dame. Why couldn’t they feel my added support? And what rumors is Paragon talking about? I am assuming in that context it is hope for reduction of sanctions? And does ND get a BCS bid for managing to get to 7 wins?

Stupid Llamas!.

by otisnixon'sparty on Nov 27, 2010 11:15 PM PST reply actions  

Whatever I am no trolling I mean it.

You have never had a team that you didnt like at all, but played a team you hate? I meant every wod, and was not ugly. I always pull for USC against Notre Dame, and it sucks to see a cappy ND team beat a mediocre USC team. I guess anyone that comes to this blog that isnt a USC fan or is 100% sympathetic is a troll to you?

Stupid Llamas!.

by otisnixon'sparty on Nov 30, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You're cool otisnixon'sparty!

We’re all pissed off and bummed, is all.

You’re good, we’re good- sometimes when times are down, people might like to commiserate with their own. I don’t know what got up BOIMH’s ass, but. . . .

We’re good. Thanks for your thoughts and kind words regarding our loss. You’re welcome here, don’t let this exchange get you down.

This Trojan wishes you a sincere “Fight On!”
Thanks again, bro!

In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)

by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 30, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

What a wet, cold, miserable experience

Congrats to our seniors, some of you may have hurt your draft prospects but there were some good times. Next season you won’t be around and we’ll look back to these close games thinking at least we had a chance.
Let there be no doubt. This loss was engineered in Indianapolis by the likes of USC hating Paul Dee, Missy Conboy and Josephine Potuto, with a big assist from ESPN and NBC. This is what it took for the Domers to defeat mighty Troy. Prediction: We will return stronger than ever in a few years, but they will fade into ignominy.
I had to spend an hour in the hot tub just to warm up. I fear for the health of some of the loyal oldsters and young kids in the crowd. Many will be quite sick next week
Next season will be worse. Section 23 has some requests for Pat Haden:
1. Show the Trojan faithful some respect
2. No more night games. Period.
3. Remove that stupid delay from the radio transmission
4. Let Traveler run in the endzone
5. CLK is a very good QB’s coach. We need a real OC. Norm Chow will be available soon.
6. Most important: Sue the NCAA. DO IT NOW!
One cheating Reggie = 30 lost scholarships. Really? Time to grow some HUEVOS!

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 12:29 AM PST reply actions  

Finally

the man of reason arrives!
I remember a ND game @ the Coliseum a few years back, it didn’t rain but it was frickin’ cold & windy & the lousy concessions in those days, ran out of coffee in the first half. What’s wrong with 12:30 games, 330 @ the latest.

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 28, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

MVP for ND - Missy Conboy, NCAA COI member

You buried us, Missy. Congratulations! If you can’t beat’em, sanction’em!

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Taken down by a smarmy mouthed bitch lawyeress. The Irish mob in full glory.
Fwiw: The guy on the left looks like fer dad.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I love night games

But there were way too many this year.

How do you want Haden to show us more respect? Cutting ripoff ticket prices maybe?

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 28, 2010 6:03 AM PST up reply actions  

For starters

he should stop the lame “State of Troy” emails. They’re worthy of Neushizzle.
Above all, give me a break with the Title IX sportsbabble. PLEASE!
WE ARE A FOOTBALL SCHOOL. No, we are one of THE football schools.
A case full of non-revenue and girls trophies is something that appeals to the bruins and furdies of the world. WE. DON’T. CARE.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Brad,
I like night games too, in September and early October. Last night and the ASU game were ridiculous. There was no excuse for this, especially since nobody was watching anyway.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Fight on Trojans!

I hate ND and seeing the final shocked me, but 8 straight was a good streak—start a new one next year. Beating the Bruins will help: 8-5, 5-4 with an opportunity at a decent bowl win would be very respectable with all things considered.

(Real) Havey Pekar: I felt more alone that week than any. Sometimes I'd feel a body lying next to me like an amputee feels a phantom limb. All I did was think about Jennie Gerhardt and Alice Quinn and all the decades of people I had known. The more I thought, the more I felt like crying. Life seemed so sweet and so sad, and so hard to let go of in the end. But hey, man, every day is a brand new deal, right? Just keep on working and something's bound to turn up."

From the movie "American Splendor"

by mjtig on Nov 28, 2010 3:32 AM PST reply actions  

Sorry,

forgot about that—a little hung over from LSU’s loss to the Pigs, but (8-5, 5-4) would be very respectable with all things considered and even with the sanctions, SC still has a very good recruiting class coming in. I’m a big college football fan overall and SC is my favorite Pac 12 team with Oregon next in line. Hang tough and in a short time SC will be dominating the South/Pac 12 both in recruiting and on the field as usual.

(Real) Havey Pekar: I felt more alone that week than any. Sometimes I'd feel a body lying next to me like an amputee feels a phantom limb. All I did was think about Jennie Gerhardt and Alice Quinn and all the decades of people I had known. The more I thought, the more I felt like crying. Life seemed so sweet and so sad, and so hard to let go of in the end. But hey, man, every day is a brand new deal, right? Just keep on working and something's bound to turn up."

From the movie "American Splendor"

by mjtig on Nov 28, 2010 4:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Right

Everything goes in cycles. In the early and late 1990s, SC stunk. Things change and now might be SC’s time to struggle and stink, but the Pac-12 situation really makes a quicker comeback possible.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 28, 2010 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

We could be Texas......................Not!

What’s their excuse? Karma? Life, History does go in cycles, look @ Florida, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, etc.

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 28, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Or we could be Florida?

I’m glad both teams suffered for no apparent reason this year. I don’t hate on Texas as much as I do for Florida- but extreme dislike for both those programs keeps me a tad bit warm at night.

Freaking Texas?

Fucking Florida?

Burn assholes, just burn baby!

In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)

by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 28, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true

if we are going to have a bad season, this is the season to have it

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

HOW 'BOUT THESE MOFOS?


THE FAT F*CK AND HIS FAMILY O’ FELONS NEED TO GET A NEW COACH?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
BURN IN HELL ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks mjtig!

And good luck to your Vols in the off-season. What a game against Mississippi! You guys closed out well this year, despite the crazy loss to LSU. Now that Les Miles-cat? He’s one lucky SOB.

As a Vol, you should be proud of how your team finished this year. Incredible.

I’ll blame it on depth and injuries, but I sure wish our team finished their season with the mentality and grit that the Vols displayed this year. Again, we had a ton-shitload of problems both on and off the field. I’m hoping our team matures this off-season and that there are some personnel moves with regards to our coaching staff. We need early-entry recruits (and lots- at least to our limit, which doesn’t count against our scholarship count), an OC, and ready-to-play Linebackers.

In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)

by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 28, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

We lost

Why light our hair on fire? Give me a goddam break, these guys are kids- they played with their backs against the wall THE ENTIRE FUCKING YEAR!

Now I hate losing to Notre Dame like the next Trojan does, but hacking on Mitch Mustain? Did you guys see the game. I was in the stands, the place was rocking, the rain was beautiful, and the crowd was WAY INTO IT! He started sketchy but. . . . .fuck it! If you guys can’t see how he fought back and put us in a position to win than none of it matters. The streak of 8 wins against the Fighting Irish is gone now and I can see how that might not sit well with a few of our die-hards here on Conquest Chronicles.

For what it’s worth, the game (although not “electric”) was awesome! With the rain and the lead changes . . . . . . .for those in attendance- it will be forever remembered somewhat of a classic. Rees and Mustain will go down in Trojan/Irish lore. It was like that!

I will go so far as to say “WHAT THE TOTAL FUCK, LANE?” Then again, what did I tell you guys in another thread? He was too cute, tried too many retarded “I’m going to out-coach” the coach plays. . . . .he didn’t and doesn’t trust his players. End of story.

In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)

by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 28, 2010 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

The answer: We need an Offensive Coordinator.
CLK is a QB’s coach. Norm Chow will be available soon, and at a very reasonable price.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I can dream can’t I? And he would be relatively cheap!

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

100% in agreement- we need an OC for sure!

Like our current football team, our HC is only good in spurts. He’s made some fantastic, ballsy calls this year. On the other hand, Lane Kiffin has made some blunderous moves and has put our players in unfortunate situations.

Last night, Kiffin decided to run-when a sweep, screen, or slant would have sufficed. And he elected to pass when coverages indicated (Mustain- audible?) blitz or safety-doubles. I don’t get it?

I’m down with Lane Kiffin as our head coach, but I’m totally seeing what you’re seeing in the NEED for an offensive coordinator.

In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)

by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 28, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

BUT

Will Lane check his ego @ the door? & hire an OC?

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 28, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

At its core

the Domer Defense is made to stop the run. We were all up there screaming “DON’T RUN IT UP THE GUT!” Too bad he couldn’t hear us… Rainwater in his ears and all that.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

We really do suck don’t we?

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe Pola is listed as the OC

and, Clay Helton is a former OC. we don’t need yet another OC. maybe Lane is trying to do too much.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You are on fire today!

It is my understanding that Helton is a well-versed, knowledgable offensive mind. Coaches kid, lived, ate and drank football his entire life. Much more than just a “spread guy”.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean about being on fire...

but there is more to it…I am being vague on purpose. Not ready to discuss it further.

by Paragon SC on Nov 28, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

Dan Weber at uscfootball.com has an outstanding article about he we tried to win with plays, and ND won with letting players play.

Learning lesson for Kiff. He is trying so hard, which I love, but he is actually over-doing it.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't have a jacket!

That was the second worse part of the game for me. Losing has to be the first.

I feel badly for Allen Bradford- did he even see the field? There were some plays where my girl and I (and a few others nearby) just huddled and drank and chanted so I missed a play or two, but I don’t recall seeing AB.

Now CJ? How come we didn’t see more of his number being called. He seemed to always give us positive yardage, so . . . . .oh well.

The good news is that Lane Fucking Kiffin has a year under his belt to see exactly what the hell he’s up against in the Pac 10 (12) and Chip Kelly’s Fighting Irish. There is some silver lining.

Let’s beat the Bruins!
A hearty FIGHT ON! to all my fellow Trojans!
Fight On!

In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)

by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 28, 2010 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

GOOD ON YA BIX! FIGHT ON!

Btw, I had a jacket, but it didn’t matter. It’s going to take me a few days to decide if this was worse than 13-9.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

The way I felt like last night

was NC game 2005, but on a smaller scale

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 28, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter.

Well, I can see I was right about another thing…. start losing to your rivals… and things can get very sour very fast. Let’s hope the Trojans can finish on a positive note. I remain hopeful but not optimistic about next week. But it really doesn’t matter. All steaks end… ND was both fortunate and GOOD enough to win. SC was just that in 2005. Still, it doesn’t matter because NCAA sanctions clearly removed much of the team’s incentive to win while aiding in its depletion by allowing immediate transfers to juniors and seniors. Factor in the departure of helmsman Pete Carroll and few programs have seen such adversity both before and during a season. This year DOES matter in terms of what the coaching staff and players have learned and can apply to the next few sanctioned years that lie ahead. The biggest question however for USC’s flagship program remains. Can Lane Kiffin actually win at USC?. That means Rose Bowl (forget about the BCSec) not a game or two above five hundred. Some were talking signature win a few week ago… the Truth?… not even close. Kiffin has not won a “Big Game” yet and he’s been in at least three of ‘em so far and about to play in a fourth. Can he recruit like he did before. Kids are coming to play for him now not Pete Carroll. What’s done is done. It doesn’t matter as long as there is improvement in 2011 and beyond. Losing though is still perilous to a coaches health. This is USC… and, as can be seen above, winning versus losing DOES matter.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 28, 2010 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

Going somewhere else - Haden

Though Loco touched on it above a little. Rip me a new asshole for what I’m about to say, I don’t care I’ve proven I’m a Trojan over and over and I know I’m a total Trojan and I am with them if they go 0 and 12. Here is my truth:

Many issues are at play here and all contribute. But the key problem will prove itself over the next 3 years or so until we who love Trojan Football will see with eyes wide open. The key problem with USC Football will be PAT FREAKING HADEN.

Please look beyond his SC hero pedigree, his trusteeship, his business acumen. When it comes to being USC AD and having the desire to make USC a football powerhouse once again, this is NOT the Pat Haden Hero QB of 1974.

Haden is here to transition SC from being a football powerhouse to becoming a Top Ten academic school a la Stanford. Sample’s “Project Stanford” also included the football program my fellow Trojans and Haden is here to to push that goal to completion.

Check out the top 25 academic schools – how many have fucking won a national championship? TWO. USC and ND.

I’m committed to academics and I’ve succeeded in my journey through 8 years of higher education and I’m doing my best to pass that commitment to my young sons. If my sons go to Harvard some day, awesome I’m behind them. Academics is awesome and is the reason we go to college and grad school.

But I want MY alma mater to be a football powerhouse. Pat Haden isn’t here to do that. Haden is here to ratchet down expectations and change the entire paradigm at SC athletics.

Get used to being an academic powerhouse with an okay football team. Learn to love being the Stanford of the Southland. Practice saying “Alabama (insert any CFB powerhouse here) has an awesome FB team but we blow them away academically.” Haden will make this is the future of USC Football.

Rip away. You’re still all my brother Trojans no matter what.

by uscdude on Nov 28, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

Great post

I see some truth to this. On the flipside, Stanford might just be the best team in the nation this season. I would love to see them play Oregon on a neutral field.

Can we have our cake and eat it too? Lofty ambitions, indeed.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

If Stanford FB is a sustainable model

Then we will be eating a lot of cake.

A very small number of academic powers like Stanford go through mid to long-term cycles of crappy FB with brief bursts of mid-level success – see also Northwestern, Cal. And the UCLAns manage some kind of a bowl game pretty regularly.

But there are no national title pretensions.

by uscdude on Nov 28, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

We see it the same way dude

Pat Haden said it himself, Stanford and Notre Dame are the example he wants to follow. Everyone needs to remember a few things:
a) Steve Sample didn’t give a rats ass about football until PC showed up
b) Steven Sample arrived in 1991. After experiencing the new Administration’s lack of enthusiasm for football (and an ass whipping at the Freedom Bowl) Coach Larry Smith ratted out the boss with these final words: “Names and logos don’t mean anything. You don’t beat someone just because of your name and logo.” He got his ass canned, with three years left on his contract.
c) Pat Haden is a Trojan, but he spent a lot of time in South Bend and developed an admiration for all things ND.
d) President Max knows which side his bread is buttered on. USC derives inordinate revenue in Federal Research Grants. Compared to that river of money, football produces but a tinkle.
f) Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the Furd and all the rest of the elites (and their suck football programs) don’t seem to have any problems bringing in the bit alumni gifts.
In USC’s case, it is well known that George Lucas was never a football fan, but he still wrote a check for $175 Million. So, how much has Will Ferrell donated?
Just one thing dude. Please, don’t send you kids to Harvard. That place is a complete fraud. Read this article from The Atlantic and let us know what you think.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Could happen

Sure, if USC is to become Harvard West or Stanford South… “Also Ran” could replace “Fight On” as SC’s mantra. “Political Correctness” is another pitfall. But Haden also has to deal with the issue of money… lots of it that came rolling in during the high point of the Carroll years. USC is a private university so something like FUNDING is a big deal. SC Football is the school’s flagship program and money maker… academics is one thing… economics another. Besides… don’t look now but there’s another school near by more than willing to take SC’s place as THE football program in town. Academics count… the guys DO have attend class or they can’t play. But “Also Ran” football won’t draw the talent nor the ticket sales… and ultimately won’t pay the bills. PH is a Rhodes Scholar, a successful lawyer, and, I think, a ‘stree smart’ guy. It’s hard to see a sudden spell of brain-lock setting it. SC needs to win… for a lot of reasons… but SC needs, as we all know by now, to do it the right way.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 28, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree w/ all of this, except...

PH has not and does not practice law and is not a member of the bar, from my understanding. He was a financial investment manager.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought so too - but just found out PH was an attorney after all

I was with you DFW, I thought Haden went from the Rams to broadcasting to investments. But then the ever-reliable Interweb showed me otherwise. PH got a J.D. from Loyola Law and practiced from 1982-87 at L.A.’s oldest firm, O’Melveny & Myers, a huge firm which represents corporations in apparently every conceivable area of law needed by businesses.

He left lawyering in 87 to join what would become the very successful private equity firm Riordan, Lewis & Haden, which invests in high growth mid-market companies. He remained a partner at RLH until taking the SC job in 2010, with of course his ND broadcasting on the side.

Couldn’t find whether he still practiced law for RLH or just gave it up altogether.

Anyway, I had no clue. Good call TW.

by uscdude on Nov 28, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

People change. Pat Haden has changed.

Fwiw, Hillary Rodham grew up a conservative Republican in the conservative Park Ridge, Illinois. Four years at Wellesley changed all that. How many years did PH spend with the Domers?

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

nice one dude

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

FYI

He (Haden) is a Rhodes Scholar, was a practicing attorney from 1982 to 1987, and was a partner at Riordan, Lewis & Haden, a private equity firm, from 1987 to 2010. He is also known for his work as a former sportscaster for NBC during Notre Dame football games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Haden

Haden passed the California State Bar in 1983 but is inactive now. Haden’s role in RLH seems to have specialized in investment analysis and managment. His legal background used in this capacity but not in the specifics of a legal practice from 1987 on. Successful legal practice… not yet. Successful career… oh yeah.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 29, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

The facts are on your side

I’m a lawyer and I admit I would not take my assertions re: PH to court. But my bullshit-o-meter is pinging off the charts WRT Haden’s intentions re: where he wants to take SC football. I stand by my instincts; I give props to your abundance of factual evidence.

by uscdude on Nov 28, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He would be correct, except research grants bring in far more money than football.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

To be blunt but polite, I completely and utterly disagree.

First of all, what evidence do you have that Haden wants to “ruin football.” That sounds like asinine conspiracy theory junk. Football has always been important to USC, and it always will be important to USC. Football brings the SC family together. Nobody is putting “less importance on football.” Just because Haden is doing a great job of talking up SC’s outstanding athletic programs doesn’t mean he’s putting less importance on football (and furthermore, SC is not just football. SC has been a repeated national champion in every single sport except basketball).

Secondly, why should it bother you that SC is excelling academically and that this is a priority? As an alum and as someone who has gone to SC games for 20 years, SC is more than just a football team. It is a university, and that’s what matters most. What means most to my life: whether SC won a lot of games while I was a student, or whether I had outstanding professors and research opportunities that prepared me for success as an undergrad? Winning football national championships or preparing students to live fruitful and fulfilling lives? I’m going to say the second. If you think football is more important than USC being a great university, you’re wildly outnumbered.

Football is great and will always be important to USC. SC has progressed academically in dramatic ways over the last 20 years. Did it ever occur to some of you guys that this process began BEFORE Pete Carroll was hired, and before SC’s football team experienced a renaissance? That process didn’t stop SC from winning two national championships. It won’t stop SC from winning national championships in the future.

You guys sound exactly like Domer subway alum posters all over the internet. A bunch of people complaining about “becoming the next Stanford.” Literally, they same the same stuff you guys say. Nah, ND’s lack of recent success has more to do with bad coaches, an unattractive location, and a bunch of losses in high profile games. ND could well be great again with the right coach. Same stuff, new fanbase.

There’s no reason why SC can’t be an outstanding university with a great football program. I hope that’s what we’re all what we’re looking for.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Nov 28, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think anyone wants 2nd tier academics. Dude makes the point that football National Championships and elite academics are incompatible.

Let’s hope you’re correct and USC is able to do the trick. History shows us it’s going to be very difficult. PH understands the challenge, therefore it’s no wonder he wants to stuff Heritage Hall with “other than football” NC trophies.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree and BTW...

Good focus on where, I hope, things are headed. Don’t look now… but Stanford is now #4 in the BCS with TCU at #3. With a few short circuits next Saturday… the Nerds from Palo Alto could be playing for a national title. It seems smart guys playing football ain’t a bad thing. As it is, the Cardinal are guaranteed an ‘at large" BCS bowl birth… probably Orange… maybe Fiesta. Quite frankly, I look at what Jim Harbaugh has done up north and I’m reminded more and more of what Pete did down here.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

My .02 cents

I don’t put it “all” on Mustain … horrible weather, hadn’t played a lot, obviously. But he has to take his share of the blame, that’s for sure. And please stop with the “stop blaming the kids” crap. This isn’t personal – it’s football. And the Trojans lost last night because the players played like crap. There’s nothing inappropriate about stating the truth. The players played like crap. I don’t care if they’re 18 or 28. All this nonsense “oh, the poor kids – stop blaming the poor kids.” F that.
My primary beef is with Lane Kiffin. He’s a lousy game coach. He calls running plays when he ought to call passing plays, and vice versa. The series that exemplifies Kiffin’s incompetence perfectly? 4th Q – Gable runs the ball twice for 9 yards, and on 3rd and 1, we run a QB sneak for nothing. Just incredibly stupid play calls — over and over and over again. (Hell, don’t make me go back to the Rose Bowl 4th and 1 with LenDale White) When he allowed Mustain to throw the ball DOWN the field – not side to side – good things usually happened. Unfortunately, he let him do it about 5 times (?)
The Trojans lost — at home – to a really bad football team last night that started a freshman who was absolutely scared to death. Why? Because the coach called a horrible game, and the “kids” played like s***. Call a spade a spade. You might not be upset about it, but I am. That was embarrassing.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Nov 28, 2010 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

Took us 4 plays to score from 4th and inches...

Head scratcher.

If that isn’t conservative I don’t what is. It all has to do with available talent. No blocking FB, only one decent blocking TE.

LK saw MM almost throw a pick in FIRST throw and he probably shit himself and ratcheted things down.

by Paragon SC on Nov 28, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

How about how

he managed the last possession before the half, atrocious!

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 28, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

advantage domers

I was happy to see the backups in the secondary come in and make plays.
Burnett did a terrific job filling in. The D played with fire and passion but ran out of gas.

But even with our backup QB we should have scored more points. the secondary picked off 3 pass from a freshman QB, which is what should happen, and gave us great field position. but our play calling was limited because Mitch had limited experience.

remember, this is kiffins 1st season. He’s handicapped by veteran defections at key positions, at least 2 years of poor recruiting, sanctions and a team that still is the focus of its conference opponents. Coach Carrol had none of these problems and finished at 6-6.

I hate loosing to the domers, but even they were due to get one eventually.
we’ve been kickn their ass for 8 years, and except for 2005 (when we went unbeaten in the regular season) they haven’t been that close.
They tried to hand us this game several times. they didn’t beat us, we beat ourselves.

its games like OSU, where we don’t seem to even be in it at all, that bug the shit outta me.
or losing to stanford in 2007 and last year. then i want to throw a chair.

but i’m not going anywhere. I’m on this ride with the trojans and you can have my seat when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Cardinal and gold baby, cardinal and gold.

by xgenx on Nov 28, 2010 4:59 PM PST reply actions  

Burnett schooled By Garza...

Wright schooled by….PC, Seto et al How did he look last night?

Here is a tid bit, SC has a lot of players drafted in the NFL…how are they faring 2-3 years out?

I understand that the NFL is tough but we were a factory under PC…why is it that so many guys that went to what many consider are lesser schools seem to be doing better than SC guys?

The problems run deep and it is going to take time to fix them…

by Paragon SC on Nov 28, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Not buying that one

Terrell Thomas is killing it. Very few players drafted from any school become stars. USC is still either the most or 2nd most NFL draft picks in the last 10 years. Do you have support that a lower % of USC players are successful in the NFL vs other schools?

I’ll offer up that because USC has so many players drafted and we have been such a spotlight program, our NFL failures are magnified in the public spotlight. But, I really don’t buy that USC players are disproportionate failures in the NFL. Sounds like another myth from hater nation.

You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 28, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure Thomas took two years before he started...
USC is still either the most or 2nd most NFL draft picks in the last 10 years.

True, but its a matter of quality over quantity.

I love our guys but how many of them made significant impact 2-3 years out?

The word around the league is PC just didn’t develop talent. I don’t have raw numbers to back up my claim but you said it yourself, we had the 2nd most players drafted in the past 10 years but if you look through the roster of those drafted tell me where they are on the depth chart or if they are even in the league.

Were they drafted on pure talent or hype…

Rey had a lot of hype but dropped to the second round because of his maturity AND his technique.

PC has missed as much as he hit, the Matthews brothers come to mind…he did such a great job with Taylor Mays that he passed on him…and PC is a DB guy. He is the one that put Mays in the positon he was in, relying more on his raw talent and speed than actually developing him. He lucked out on Cody who wanted to go to UCLA but he was hesitant on Patterson…Go figure both turned out great and made an impact quickly.

He raved about O’Dowd but O’Dowd hasn’t developed into all that…he has missed assignments all year…and none of these guys can cut block because they weren’t trained to do it…(that is a whole other story I can’t get into right now).

Mike Singletary knows a little bit about defense, even if he is a poor HC and he thinks Mays needs another year or two to really reach his potential. That is saying something to me.

All that talent and a lot of those guys couldn’t tackle properly. That’s all on development.

Again, we agree to disagree its cool but a lot of these guys who are in the program now need to be reprogrammed with new a new mind set.

A lot of these guys thought they could just cruise into the league because ’SC was a factory without having to bust their butts….

by Paragon SC on Nov 29, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Limited experience

that’s why you let your backup play during the season, so if the unthinkable happens he’s got some real game experience. anyone remember Beathard & Nelson?

"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane

by gnossos on Nov 28, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

You are right G but I think since the ncaa put practice hours per week under 20 has put a damper on player development.

I don’t understand why both QBs get the same amount of work anyway, I know if I was the coach they would because the starter plays 3/4 to all of the game.

Lets face it the Bruins are superior in all aspects of life, heck I here they can wipe their Butts with their mind.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 29, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

says it all....

remember, this is kiffins 1st season. He’s handicapped by veteran defections at key positions, at least 2 years of poor recruiting, sanctions and a team that still is the focus of its conference opponents. Coach Carrol had none of these problems and finished at 6-6.

Bingo!… this year regardless of the final outcome is still one long exhibition season. Go undefeated and it’s all for bragging rights. Lose ‘em all and really… so what. SC’s will have a winning season regardless of what happens next weekend. Bottom line: coaches should will know what needs improvement (here’s a subtle hint: everything) and without a post season game can focus right now on the most important thing… recruiting.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 29, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Without a bowl game you can’t blame the team for losing motivation. The extra practice would have helped set us up for Spring, but oh well. The bright side: The kids will enjoy an nice Christmas vacation! And the coaching staff will get an early start on their recruiting homework.

Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

You got it...

While the extra practice certainly would be beneficial… this is one year where the extra time spent on recruiting should prove even more helpful. The scholarship reductions hurt but aren’t fatal. Kiffin and staff just have to be right more so than in the past. Can’t miss on prospects like Teo, Burfict, Henderson. Gotta get it right… the first time… all the time… and that will take time.

trojanWar

by trojanWar on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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