You mean they are just figuring it out?
What is so hard to see?
I have to admit this is a well reasoned post but I still have to laugh...Neuheisel has always been a mediocre coach.
The paradox of Rick Neuheisel at this point exists between his recruiting – where he appears to be going all out, fearing no other coach or school and is reeling in a lot of well-respected high school players – and his on field coaching – where he seems to be channeling his mentor Terry Donahue with a conservative, punt-from-the-35-on-fourth-and-short, let’s-take-the-field-goal, play-the-less-talented-upperclassmen-over-the-less-talented-younger-guys, forget-about-winning, we-just-want-to-keep-it-close approach to football.
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There are three elements to coaching college football, basically. There’s the recruiting. On that front let’s be generous and stipulate that Neuheisel and his staff are doing a good job. Then there is the strategy. Strategy includes everything from calling the plays to deciding who gets to play. Here, I’m less than enamored with what RN and the coaches are doing, but then again, anytime a team is playing poorly the armchair coaches and Monday morning quarterbacks have issues.
The most difficult thing for me to assess is the "coaching up" part of coaching. I mean, it's somewhat easy for me to comment on play calling. It's easy to comment on strategy. I can comment on personnel decisions. I mean, I see what's happening and I have an opinion. What's really difficult for me to assess and comment on might be the most important thing of all: the concept of coaching the kids so they improve.
I am not really sure what is so hard for these guys to figure out. The numbers have shown that as players depart that were not Neuheisel's recruits his win loss record starts to sink.
Go back and look at the records...you can see it at BOTH UW and at CU.
I laughed at the amount of rationalization that a number of the UCLA faithful tried to put forth about Neuheisel's record both with his NCAA infractions and his coaching record.
Fine, if they want to rationalize that Dorrell left the cupboard bare when he was let go then I'll give it to them. But it's not like Neuheisel can't recruit, that has always been the one thing that many Bruins fans are quick to point out. Neuheisel is into his third recruiting class. The O-Line was supposed to be suspect but the "filthy five" as they like to call them are doing a somewhat decent job. Its the rest of the team that looks lost. I still remember that shill Rick Kimbrell saying that Norm Chow thought he got the better QB in Brehaut over Barkley...Really? Right, how is that working out for you.
Neuheisel got some players and made a splash with all the speeches and the infamous ad but the results so far just aren't there.
Neuheisel is more concerned about garnering attention for his program with all his antics (hey look at us for a change!!) than actually getting people to notice the team by the their play on the field. Unfortunately many are taking notice of the teams performance for all of the wrong reasons. Many people will say that UCLA looked great against Texas...OK, on that day they did, but Texas has shown us that they aren't all that this season and UCLA does seem to have the 'Horns number.
Neuhesiel got the coaches that he wanted, he made a circus side show out hiring of Chow and retaining Walker. Walker moved on to his own gig but Neuheisel didn't fill the void with his replacement...and the team isn't coached up. Bullock is now the convenient fall guy.
I get it, UCLA wants to be relevant in football...what school doesn't want to be? But the extent that many moved the goal posts with regards to Neuhiesel's record in order to make the hire palatable makes them all the more frustrated...they got what they wanted but I am not sure they are now happy with what they actually got.
The OP is one of the more rational and knowledgeable voices over there but his post shows me what we all knew was coming...Slick Rick will get some wins and recruit some players but in the end this is turning into a clown show of epic proportions...
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.
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They sure did look good against Texas
maybe not Iowa State good, but. . . .
Wow - Nestor is a frakkin bully
Haven’t read BN in a long long time, but the well-reasoned post Paragon linked to got me there. Jeez is Nestor a dictator! A bully! WTF?
On BN, either you get down on your knees and worship Nestor’s manhood, or he verbally beats you up and kicks you out the door.
We are lucky we have Paragon and DC and Joey. The spirit of the 1st Amendment is respected here unless someone totally extremely abuses the forum.
Nestor, on the other hand . . . a paranoid bully. A lot of those Bruins Nation posters know a lot about football and are very articulate and interesting. But if they step over whatever invisible line Nestor has set up that day, bam they’re hit with brass knuckles and told the next time they don’t kiss the Boss’ ass hey’ll be kicked out the door.
Well, whatever. If BN is happy with him then cool, that’s their business. Just wasn’t expecting the pure power and control Nestor wields over the BN posters.
Achilles’ post was excellent and many of the responses were too. The majority of Bruins fans are smart and realistic and they know what they see. Nestor should be less defensive and stop using his position to bully. He doesn’t do himself or UCLA any favors with his conduct and demeanor as the leader of BN.
Not that BN freaking cares what the hell a USC fan thinks about, of course. I’m sure they’ll cut and paste this and make jokes about my hairy ass and my pet gerbils (throwing you a bone there Nestor, enjoy it.) My underlying point here is to express my appreciation for the forum that Paragon, DC and Joey maintain.
Someday Nestor, lighten up. It’s college football.
by uscdude on Oct 24, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
TOTALLY agree about Nestor
I can tell you that not all of BN is happy with Nestor. I, personally, have contacted SB Nation about Nestor’s bullying tactics, but they informed there is nothing they can do about it. It’s very frustrating mainly because of the hypocritical tactics Nestor uses. I’ve called him out and posted examples of his hypocrisy only to of course have my posts deleted (Nestor’s favorite thing to do in the world) and have been banned several times. He actually keeps track of my IP address so he can ban me even before I can post anything.
I’m 100% sure that if Nestor finds out you went to USC he will automatically assume you are rich, spoiled, racist, and hate children and puppies. I have plenty of USC friends and outside of friendly trash talk, they are very informed and most of all good and loyal fans who are more pro-USC than anti-UCLA. Nestor has developed a community at BN that is more anti-USC than pro-UCLA which is wrong and turns BN into a largely negative site. It’s sports. It’s supposed to be fun.
In case you can’t tell, I am a HUGE Bruin fan. As for Neuheisel, I think we’re guilty of a lot of blind faith that his hire was going to be a change in at least the coaching on the field which Dorrell was woefully short on. A lot of us knew Neuheisel’s shortcomings at other programs, but like I said, when you love a team you’re willing to see any change as good change and convince yourself of that. I think a lot of us are now being realistic that the best of Neuheisel may be a couple of surprise wins (i.e. Texas), but to not show up on winnable games. I haven’t given up, but if we post a mediocre record in our last five games then I think we’ll have our definitive answer.
by UCLAClassof05 on Oct 25, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Its too bad good ol' nestor doesn't focus his negative energy to another more positive goal
like actually kissing a real girl.
by frak on Oct 25, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shooting yourselves in the foot...
Coach Karl Dorrell was asked to learn on the job, what else did you guys expect? Plus, he was plagued by injuries to his QB’s, still his record looks quite impressive compared to Neuhizzel’s.
Nestor and the Donahue cronies were blinded by USC envy. They demanded Dorrell’s head for the most scurrilous of reasons. Had Dorrell stayed, he would have been a fine coach by now.
Football season is here
U feeling Loco?
Let me comment on a few things
Neuhesiel, at both CO and UW, did well with other people’s recruits. I don’t see this happening at UCLA where the cupboard was left bare by previous recruiting. The O-line is the heart of the offense. If you have a good O-line, your RB and QB look like gods because they have time to execute. I think Neuhesiel’s record at UCLA is one that is slowly improving. He went 4-8 his first season, 7-6 the next, and is 3-4 this year. Too early to tell how this season will play out but this season is much tougher than last as all the Pac-10 teams have improved along with some ugly road trips.
I have to say something concerning Nestor and I have discussed this here before. Each of these blogs have a different feel to them. This one is more open especially to the comments of Bruins but if one was to fly off the handle and not be respectful of this being an SC blog, they should expect to be banned. I do appreciate Paragon’s and his staff’s acceptance of most opinions—usually warning before they ban.
The Cal Golden Blog is a complete free-for-all. Each board has it’s own feel that I really like going from one to the other.
Nestor is the strictest about content. He feels that it keeps the message on task with argument that is well-reasoned. Also, and I disagree with this as he knows, is that sometimes well-reasoned Trojan contributors are sometimes banned if they slip up a little. I would not have liked to lose Frak or Bix due to this policy.
I have seen Nestor chew people out all the time. I have seen some people freak out and never post again. I have seen others confront him with reasoned arguments. These people are rarely banned. I have also seen him ban people for throwing flame bombs. He’s not perfect but I think that his M/O has more to do with the “For Bruins, by Bruins” credo of the blog.
So, that’s my opinion, I think he’s really passionate about being a Bruin and I respect that as I would respect anyone who is that passionate about their team. He has a confrontational style and runs the blog in the spirit he set out for it. I appreciate this and once more I appreciate the style of the other boards too.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
Nestors 3 favorite words:
Pathethic, classless, & thug.
I posted once, and got 2 of those right away. When I go to a rival blog and behave myself, I can expect to get some crap from the readers at the very least, but not from moderators. I have written a few other SBN blogs, and the moderators at BN have made it very clear that they do not respect or want any opinion from a USC fan on their board. My thoughts on that are that its a bit rude, and immature, but if that’s what they want, then I won’t bug them over there anymore. I’ll just say my piece over here, and they can and will read it if I have any thoughts about the bruins and the rivalry between ucla and USC.
Don't forget:
Whine and troll.
I got those once, then he deleted most of my posts, and threatened me with the “banhammer” and told me that my posts were “saved for future reference.” Uh… ok, is that like on my permanent record or something?
Thanks 102!
Honestly, I’m not sure if I ever signed up over at BN (I might have, but. . . .I wouldn’t know why?). Therefore, I have not given him the issue of having to ban me. I read what gets written over there, with very limited and discriminating perusal of topics I choose to read over at BN.
I like the blog for 2 reasons only: the hilarity of propaganda and Trojan-hate and. . . .the quite colorful commentary of a number of posters. It’s a solid blog, minus the Trojan nut-hugging.
I’ve only really confronted Menalaus’ comments. But that was over at SMQ, (back when Dr. Saturday of “you know were” dot com used to have his SB Nation blog). And that. . . . .WAS A FUN ONE. (for me, at least)
BTW: How’d you do on the Bar? Hoping and wishing that you NAILED IT, B102!
JUST BEAT THOSE FUCKING QUACKED-OUT DUCKS, AIGHT?
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 25, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
Very nice of you to say. Loved your writing style for quite some time (and from a non-liberal arts major [math right]?).
The results are given out in November, the 19th to be precise. Thanks again for the good wishes.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on Oct 26, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to bash you because it was a very good post, but...
There really was no improvement between Ricks first and second season. Both were 3-6 in conference, the real difference being a much softer OOC schedule. That is where the extra wins happen, with the Temple, SDSU and K-St in place of BYU and Fresno. If you really think about it, UCLA might have actually regressed since the Pac10 was down in 2009 from 2008 (a point you make concerning 2010).
by ev on Oct 25, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You honestly think UCLA is improved from 2009 and 2008?
To me, this team looks much worse than the 2008 team. And, the “cupboard was bare argument” simply isn’t fair. Dorrell left one hell of a talented defense, which has gotten progressively worse under Neuheisel. Dorrelly may not have left much on offense, but wasn’t that Neuheisel’s strength anyway?
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!
Well... To some degree
I expected 6-7, so a one game switch was a bit of an improvement.
You are right about the defense but we kept the same coordinator and I would expect it to stay the same more or less. Neuheisel is supposed to be an offensive guru right?
All and all, I don’t like the way the team is heading but I’m going to give him one more season before I go from neutral to moving against.
EGO TROIORUM MALLEUS SUM
by Bruins102NCAA on Oct 26, 2010 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
yEP dfw dORRALS DEE WAS NOT BARE , AND nEU RODE THAT IN THE LAST 2 SEASONS
I love national championships it makes me feel superior to others, my whole place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 27, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
nESTOR AND HIS mODS HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT SPORTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER PLAYED COLLEGE SPORTS THEY ARE JUST SPECTATORS PERIOD
I love national championships it makes me feel superior to others, my whole place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 27, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
102, anyone can be passionate about their team
and still run a good blog. Once doesn’t have to be charitable to the hated rival to run a good blog. If Nestor was merely a rabid fan with a tremendous degree of antipathy toward USC nobody would bat an eye.
The problem is that he treats fellow Bruins like bitter enemies, has absolutely no football knowledge (cf.: demanding Walker’s head after not going for a 2-point conversion in the first half against BYU in the Vegas Bowl a few years ago), is holier-than-thou and humorless. In short, he’s a tool. Other than that, he’s a swell guy.
by ucladj89 on Oct 25, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Man...I could go in so many directions here but decorum dictates that I don't...
But this is pretty spot on.
"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Heh...
I remember him congratulating you when you started CC, guess he really didn’t mean it.
Football season is here
U feeling Loco?
Don't Hold Back
get it out, tell us how you really feel
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
Last time I've disparaged a respected rival of ours. . . .
. . . .I had to eat crow! And . . . that shit doesn’t taste so good to me.
So, in light of all that- I won’t say something about Brehaut that might torment me. Like, maybe him winning the fricking Heisman Trophy, or something?
But. . . . .what I “WOULD HAVE LIKE TO HAVE SAID” about Brehaut is this: BREHAUT DOESN’T WANT TO COMPETE! That’s why he rides the pine, and likes it. Otherwise, he WOULD HAVE committed to USC or walked-on and fought his way to beat out the likes of Barkley and Scroggins. But, . . . . . .NO!
Otherwise, great post Para!
(fwiw: some of the calls in the Oregon/Ucla game were just atrocious. the calls on defensive personal fouls on the Duck QB were scandalous. that fucker was hit clean on 2 good plays and I know one of those plays the Ucla rusher (who almost sacked him) got called for a 15 yard penalty/automatic 1st down call. I was livid! During a Bruin game, no less? Rooting for the Bruins!!!! (obviously, I was outta my mind from the outset you could say)
JUST BEAT THOSE FUCKING QUACKED-OUT DUCKS, AIGHT?
On the first UCLA drive
I thought they looked pretty good. The moved the ball well, but then the int…
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley

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