USC 31 UW 32
by Paragon SC on Oct 2, 2010 8:43 PM PDT
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PrintJoey will have the complete game recap later or tomorrow but I wanted to put a few thoughts out there...
I feel terrible for the effort that Allen Bradford gave and not have this team win the game.
The Defense still has a long way to go and I think it will get worse before it gets better. Monte Kiffin has said that the defense is still learning the basics of the system. I'm not sure if I buy into that completely, Monte is going to have to explain why after five games that they still miss assignments and miss tackles. Maybe the players aren't as good as we think.
Depth is an issue at LB and while I am happy with the D line they have some depth issues also, they were gassed at the end.
I don't usually complain about play calling but that last series where Barkley threw on 3rd and 4 was perplexing. Heck why not just run it twice. We eating up chunks of yards on them for a good portion of the night why not just keep with what was working. We clearly don't have a kicker so why put it in his hands? In fact I would have rather turned it over on downs trying to score a TD than let ANY kicker determine the outcome of the game. this is not a problem that Baxter can fix.
Barkley made some great throws and some poor throws...its time to accept him for what he is...a true sophomore QB who is still progressing. Yes, he is very mature for his age and he is a team leader but he isn't all that yet. He probably gives us the best chance to win but some of those high throws have to be on target.
I loved the O line tonight...they blew some holes open for the running game.
Not a fan of the wildcat but its here to stay.
Didn't see a lot of the receivers tonight but it was clear that the plan was to run it...
Anyway, that what I see. Going to get worse before it gets better after what I saw tonight with Stanford and Oregon...
Fell free to add your thoughts.
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correction - 2/3 on 4th down, Vodka finally kicking in
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
At least you can drink
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bulshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not willing to internet-yell at Houston
because I agree with Paragon, Houston should never have been put in that position.
As for the defense, we’re basically where we were on offense after Bush, Leinart, and White left – no depth because the starters were too good. I guess Carroll was able to cushion the blow somewhat last season, but this is what happens when the 2008 defense leaves, and the 2009 defense isn’t up to snuff: the 2010 defense is struggling too. It’s hard to rebuild with a pro scheme and scholarship reductions.
In other words, this could be a long term structural problem. Something to savor over your post game drinks.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Sructural? Maybe.
Someone made a comment of this being Hackett 2.0
Let’s hope not.
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
no worries
I don’t want to sound alarmist, I’m just wondering if there are some dots to be connected here.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Could be, good point.
It was said that the D line was gassed at the end. Scholly reductions will only make depth more of a problem. Oregon rotates something like nine D lineman. So with the reductions and the already thin roster, a “structural” problem may be a good analysis.
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If I heard correctly
they rotate 9 D linemen
6 linebackers
6+ Dbacks
= Luxury
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
FG and Structure
So, you don’t try the 40 yd FG up by 2 late in the game on 4th and 4? I think the “book” says the FG try is a no brainer. And, for the people questioning the pass on 3rd and 4, they would have bitched about the play calling for running on 3rd and long if we had ran and not made it. Kiff’s Off remains a marked improvement over last season. Yet, young Barkley remains young. Pete never should have bet the farm on him last season.
Structural problems on D? I agree. Never really appreciated how criticial depth is until now. Young secondary, 1st time Mike, front 7 gassed in the 4th. Ouch. Still, Monte needs to simplify and adjust somehow. Or, does Kiff can Monte at the end of the season?
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Agreed Paragon...
Good take on the game. I didn’t mind the TylerCat and thought it was mostly effective. The defense is clearly in trouble, and will be further exposed by better offensives. The run game was impressive, and Bradford and the O line was on. Like you I would have like to see SC run on 3rd and 4th down at the end to seal the game.
agree
two runs to make 4? yards if you don’t make it you’ve burned 80 seconds or force them to burn TO’s
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
And, don't kick a FG w/ a 2 pt lead late?
Kiff would have been crucified for not attempting the FG. No coach would have done that.
Of course, we probably would have converted on 2 runs, just like you said. :)
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
I think we should all call it THE TROJAN HORSE
Mark Tyler bringing a gift that is not a gift. Man what am I even talking about?
by Laughing Stock on Oct 3, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point on the D
I think it’s a legitimate question about whether Monte’s defensive scheme will work at the college level. If not, he wouldn’t be the first coach to fail with NFL philosophy in CFB. At this point, I’m willing to be patient, but I’d expect the D to be vastly improvered by the end of the season. Right now, the D seems below average for the 120 teams in D1 football, and I know the talent isn’t.
Spot on.
Probably a bottom 30-40 defense with top-notch talent, that’s inexcusable.
I hate Pat Shurmur.
As I said at the begining of the season
if we beat the bRuins and Nueter Dame I will be sated.
So hopefully the D improves by the end.
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
Worried about Monte
A few things:
- KC Pola quoted that he had to tell Kenned to “bring it down” because Kennedy was coaching way over the RBs heads
- Willie Mack said secondary were pups confused by the disguise adjustments of the Monte D. I guess the D gives a standard look, then adjusts rapidly right before the snap.
Seems that our college kids are struggling to understand the pro-level coaching techniques. Coaches may need to bring it down a notch or 10. Monte on the hot seat? At 70, does he really understand the college game?
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
I think that's probably a factor.
It’s kids who are just flat out not going to pick up as much stuff. If they’re teaching it at too high a level, that’s a problem.
It’s also an issue because last season’s coaching was sloppy, and there are a lot of guys transitioning over from that… just like guys are still learning how to deal with Kiffin in other ways.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 2, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm Out
Para said everything. AB had a career game, he is our best HB. Barks still maturing, he’ll get better, I am looking forward to that. The team has lot’s to work on. Later
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
I really don't have a problem with Lane at all.
That 3rd and 4 was definitely a dumb call and we should have gone for it too but on the offensive side, that’s all he did wrong. The timeout usage was stupid too but it was very clear that we were not going to stop them and I honestly think he knew that. Monte is the problem, it’s pretty clear (after the occasional stompings they endured at Tennessee too) that his defense only works in the NFL. Happy to see AB play his ass off though, always thought he deserved to start and he definitely deserves to keep it for the season.
I hate Pat Shurmur.
Barkley just needed to make a better throw on 3rd
But I think running on 3rd and 4th would’ve been the smartest (if predictable) move.
+1
Kiff would have been crucified for NOT attempting the FG up by 2 late.
Offense is vastly improved over last season. Kiff can’t make the key throws for Barkley or kick FGs. The O-line was OUTSTANDING. Offensively, Kiff has been a huge.
Now, Monte on the other hand…
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Agree about the timeouts.
Honestly, the way the game was going, if Lane had callled TOs, UW would have probably run a few more plays and gotten closer. There’s always the chance that UW might have fumbled or that Barkley could have done something if he’d have gotten the ball back with 18 seconds, but these seems as unlikely as UW missing a FG.
Defense sucks
Hated Sheereece Wright two years ago, as he always went for the highlight reel, yet frequently missed the tackle. Well, it looks like he still has not lost those skills. Some great plays, and some truly bonehead ones.
The linebackers have disappeared this season – anyone finding them, send up a flare.
Kennard needs to be replaced by Galippo, at least for his veteran knowledge.
And when do we find a field goal kicker? Desparately need one, and asap.
Too bad Barks is not mobile whatsoever. Takes away mucho flexibility – just wait until we play the Ducks. The D will be shredded, with a possible 60 on the board for them.
No the defense doesn't even suck it is Smoke and Mirrors
Where was Robey tonight
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bulshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Kennard????
I’ve been looking for him the last two games
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
SC loss to WA
We have now bee officially exposed on defense. Too many arm tackles, not to mention players out of position. These kids just aren’t good enough to make the grade.
For all the talk about learning the tampa 2 schemes
It looked like a repeat of Hawaii. No progress. If WU receivers hadn’t had so many drops it wouldn’t have been even that close.
Anyone seen Havili?
Anyone find Stanley, have not seen him since last week!
by TrojanRick on Oct 2, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Offense wasn't the problem
We didn’t deserve to win with that defensive no show.
We should've let the walk-ons play
they couldn’t have been any worse. yikes that was ugly.
It's not the scheme
Maybe the players aren’t as good as we think.
No. They are not as good as we think.
Monte is going to have to explain why after three games that they still miss assignments and miss tackles.
Good players follow there assignments and make tackles. Bad players do neither.
Let’s face it, Carroll fled town because he knew what he faced this year, sanctions or not. Smith and Morgan, who should be senior playmaker leaders. they are seniors but are playmakers. therefore can only lead some much. The D-Line is adequate, but when your two senior linebackers would not start on maybe as many as half of the Pac 10 teams, and your interior players are lost, the D Line has to dominate for the back 7 to have a chance, and this D Line is not dominating.
The D-Line is FAT and SLOW period
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bulshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like blaming the players
If the players aren’t able to execute this scheme, then the scheme needs to change. It’s hard for me to accept that the talent annd effort of these players is as bad as the sum of the parts.
Talent not the problem
Even if this defense isn’t as talented as we think, there are a lot less talented units out there that put up a better fight than this. They had receivers open on EVERY throw.
Thats because of the Monte Scheme
Either the players can’t get it or they don’t want to, Lane will probably have better control in 3 seasons since most of PCs players will be gone.
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bulshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 2, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A former Trojan TE said tonight on Twitter
when I posed the question about our soft D, he said that he didn’t think the players fit well into Monte’s system.
A deeper analysis of our players vis a vis Monte’s system is over my head.
But, methinks Monte’s system needs to change and dummy down for the young players.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Take the last TD by huskies, that was a joke and should have been picked.
You will see that TJ had his back to the play why, even I learned in Jr High to keep the QB in sight while covering. If he was turned around it’s an interception, fact is their were a lot of chances for picks but either D-backs to far off or wouldn’t commit. Basic defense would have stop washington all day (ie Nebraska game), each player is assigned a man I didn’t see that yesterday or any other day. I guess the coaches are over doing it and need to understand the principle of Kaizen or baby steps, or in the tennis world KISS—keep it simple stupid. USC is starting to look Dorrallean!
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bulshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 3, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Defenseless
For the second year in a row Washington beats USC with a last second ‘walk off’ field goal. Last year it marked the beginning of the end of the Pete Carroll era… could it be the same for Lane Kiffin? Probably not now… but the rest of the season now seems downright daunting. The Good: Alan Bradford… that’s it… Alan Bradford. The Bad a game plan that relied on the opponent stopping themselves… which Washington tried very hard to do… but ultimately did not. The Ugly I would say the USC defense… not that it wasn’t but “The Ugly” … the real “Ugly” starts next week up in Palo Alto. What will happen to the ‘Defenseless’ Trojans on “The Farm” probably isn’t legal anywhere else in the country… but it will be there… and I’m not optimistic about how long ‘The Ugly’ lasts. Could be right through the end of the season… could be right through middle of this decade.
trojanWar
PROJECTS-USC AND LANE KIFFIN’S PROBLEM WITH FIELD GOAL KICKERS
Paragon SC on Oct 2, 2010 8:43 PM PDT, missed the whole point, wanting to criticize the Defense. FACT the final score was 31 to 32 won by a field goal. Criticize the field goal kicker and the Special Teams Coach and maybe recruiting for that position. FACT Lane Kiffin could have beat the undefeated Alabama National Champions last year with the less talented Tennessee VOLS (compared to the talented USC Team and coach) but lost because his field goal kicker missed 3 field goals in that game. WAKE UP the Goat and Hero of that game was the field Goal Kicker s.
First: If you criticize-like we all do, how about giving constructive criticisms with some common sense encouraging corrective action plans.
Second: Know your audience, they are USC Fans, or like me: Lane Kiffin Fans, who has supported him with the Raiders, Tennessee and now USC, as Head Coach. You can tell just by looking at Lane’s facial expressions in games and in practices, he is a WINNER and he believes in:
1.) Recognizing that fouls worth getting are: "Defensive
Holding," to protect your Quarterback from being hit so
hard to make him fumble the football when he is tackled or to
stop the opponent from scoring a Touchdown.
2.) It is of utmost importance to play Strong Physical Football
like the Raiders, but more like the New York Giants when
they won the Super Bowl against the undefeated Patriots.
Interesting analogy
Yes, the Giants today are about where USC will be by season’s end – wanting to be back in the championship hunt, yet no better than a .500 team.
Not sure what your point is...
If USC had made their FG or UW had missed, the outcome of the game might have been diffferent. But if wouldn’t have changed anything fundamental about the play of the defense. There’d still be fans complianing about their inability to stop UW (they only stoppped themselves). Yea…we’d all feel better with a win, but we’d be no more closer to winning next week, or the week after that.
If our receivers had not dropped about 8 passes, we might have had scored 21 more points. Scary, what is Oregon and Stanford, heck the kid in Arizona going to do to you all pass defense. You better be giving the ball to that running back of years about 50 times and keep your defense off the field.
Cerebral Analysis from a Husky Lumberjack with a Latte Addiction
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Really?
Not sure of your angle here. you have only 8 comments so its hard to know where you’re coming from…I am a huge Kiffin supporter you obviously haven’t read much of what I written since his hiring. you’re misinformed if you think I don’t support him.
I think he called a good game tonight except for that 3rd and 4 call.
I did not criticize the kicker but it is clear that anything outside of 30 yards is out of his range…he is something like 2 for 6. Why put him in that position when you can run the ball and eat up chunks of yards and the clock.
As for constructive criticisms…I cant offer anything to the staff but I will comment on what I see.
Know my audience? I have been here for over 4 years I think I know the audience quite well and won’t blow smoke up peoples ass. You have commented here for all of five minutes…stick around and see what we’re about before popping off with that shit, otherwise go elsewhere…
"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
All of his comments seem to be copy/paste jobs
same deal with the Raiders and Giants, loving Kiff. and, he seems somewhat computer illiterate. Monte, is that you?
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
I just figured the comment
was pulled together by a bunch of drunken monkeys playing with a Ouija board. Because that would make about as much sense.
Sounds like Josh 13-9 fucla boy or some other 13 year old
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bullshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 3, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh great
This guy again.
Buddy, did someone hit you over the head recently?
You honestly think that losing the game tonight was Joe Houston’s fault?
Seriously?
Anyway, this guy’s posts are a riot. Read through all his comments. Comedy gold.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 2, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Good night guys
Follow me on twitter @Joey_Kaufman
by Joey Kaufman on Oct 2, 2010 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Can I have all 7 bottles?
I’m supposed to come to LA for the ASU game in Nov. Should I!?!?!?!?!
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on whether you want to see Burfict arrested on field for committing GBH.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Well...
I’ve never been to LA Live…so there is that.
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
After that game
It might be LA Dead.
Not worth the trip by itself.
Now if SC can beat the devils, well, might be worth it, but I would not bet on it.
I live in f-ing Oregon!
…NEED a trip to Cali…
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah well, that puts a different shade on things.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Work with Ducks...sucks...
Time for some Oregon Pinot….Fight On!
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s your upside of living where you do… and my brother’s a Duck, so there’s that.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Yeah...
The people I work with are good football fans…passionate about their team but aren’t haters. We have fun. Most Duck fans here are like that…not all…but most. As they like to say, “Huck the Fuskies”
by RunTravelerRun on Oct 2, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
GBH...LMAO!
DC, very funny man.
RTR, the ASU game might be the only time that Dennis Erickson’s new spread offense explodes all season. So, there’s that.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Well at least now the Polls
can knock us out of the top 25
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
Barkley laughs
Am I the only one sick of seeing Barkley laughing it up on the sideline just before his team is about to get beat? It’s not the first time that I’ve seen him way to happy when USC playing poorly. Why am I more upset than he seems to be? Really looks like he lacks the competitive spirit of a Locker or Luck.
Huh?
I was unaware that having “stern, serious facial expressions at all times” was what won ballgames
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 2, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not the point
I would expect a true competitor to, I don’t know, be a little less merry in the moments before WU is going to kick a winning FG.
by forgot2panic on Oct 2, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He also looked like he was about to vomit after the missed pass / missed FG at the other end of the field. I don’t know that he was taking it lightly.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Yeah, saw that too
I understand what you mean, forgot2panic, but I’m not going to pile on a kid just because a camera catches him smiling a couple times.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 2, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a waste of my energy
but, I will again say that PC bet the farm and lost by playing Barkley last season. Wonder where we might be if Mustain was starting his 17th game or so?
Of course, the D lost the game. But, Barkley is only a middle of the pack Pac10 QB. Of course he was still 19 3 weeks ago.
USC fans so spoiled and used to have the best QB in conference.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Back to life, back to reality
First of all, it’s just football.
Second of all, they’re just college kids.
Now let’s overanalyze.
Blaming Joe Houston is stupid. He may stink so far this year, and a top tier college football team usually has a kicker that can nail that kind of kick, but he’s inconsistent this year. That’s life. Running the ball twice is a no-brainer. That was a dumb choice… what’s the benefit of going up by 5, when the only thing stopping Washington’s offense was stupid plays by receivers?
The defense is soft, but part of that’s the scheme, which I’ve never really liked… but sometimes it works well. Part of the problem is also the inexperience… and part is the fact that some guys are just playing poorly and don’t get it yet.
The offense is inconsistent… Kiffin hasn’t yet learned what works and learned to stick with it. SC got too cute tonight a few times and it cost them. Why get cute when generally, the line was manhandling Washington all game. Of course, they won’t be able to manhandle other teams this year in that kind of way.
Good win for Washington. Locker really is that good, and he finally had his team rally around him and make plays.
They’re just college kids. It will be a few years at minimum before SC football starts to pick back up. This will be a tough season, the guys will play hard, and they’ll win 8 or 9 games (with what’s left, based on talent SC ought to beat Oregon State, Cal, ASU, UCLA and ND… but talent doesn’t win everything). Next year, maybe 8. It’ll take some time, we’ll weed out the Reggie Bush and OJ jersey-wearing bandwagoners at the Coliseum, we’ll get our general admission seats back, and eventually things will turn around. But we’ll cheer hard until then.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 2, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, we may be looking at a 3 yr rebuild
1) Barkley needs to mature. He is not leaving for the NFL in 2011 at this rate.
2) Replenish the ranks at the big ugly positions….OL, DL, and LB. Sanctions make this tricky.
3) Many teams struggle the first year in a revised system. Give the kids a year to absorb the new schemes.
USC in 2012? Schedule-wise, this was a huge loss. A 10 win season seems like a pipe dream now.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
4-losses this season
Truth is, we’re looking at 4 losses, 5 if we are not careful. The only way to change this is that the D grows up in a hurry.
But Fight On! anyway
One more note
Kiffin has got to watch himself.
When transitioning from Pete’s far too “happy go lucky” attitude, he’s got to be careful not to take it too far in the other direction.
Now, I think many of us knew that as soon as Locker converted that 4th down pass, they were going to drive down and score and win the game.
Kiffin shouldn’t be saying that, though… but that’s what he’s telling reporters. “We were dead,” the game was over, etc. He’s got to watch himself or he’s going to lose kids. He doesn’t have to be Carroll… but he has to be a little more positive. Not every kid at SC is playing with a shot at the pros in mind. Many of them are motivated purely by pride, and while he may be completely right to say that, he can’t. Kids WILL read what he says and it will get around.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 2, 2010 10:36 PM PDT reply actions
+1 on Kiff positivity
It’s a great attitude for the pros, but I am afraid about turning off the college kids.
But, he’s usually just that way post-game. Then, back to a positive attitude during the week.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
Great point
Pete’s positive enthusiastic attitude is going to be missed.
He was the perfect model for coaching, methinks.
It's time for a talk.
Now is as good a time as any, because you folks need to accept something. I have nothing against usc, and nothing for them either. But you need to know it’s going to get worse. Much worse. Wait till two years from now when because of lack of bodies in a particular unit on the field, say an offensive line, or the secondary, and a school like arizona state or washington state blows your doors off, it ain’t gonna be pretty. and it’s going to happen. Sometime early next season, some of you will notice that your coach likes to quit. Look at his history. Look closely at his tennessee team last year. He’s gonna beg to get fired, cause he ain’t working again at a major program after what will inevitably happen.
Don’t get me wrong, I adore Lane Kiffin. He devastated that tennessee program. set them back for at least half a decade. take a good look at how probation and scholarship losses set back alabama. it took them a good decade to recover. Accept reality.
by yourgatoroverlord on Oct 2, 2010 11:32 PM PDT reply actions
Gee, thanks
I’ma gonna tell them Southern California boys about reality, ye-up! Maw, where’s my corn likker!
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 3, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just teasing.
But seriously, we already know all that stuff!
Except the “quitter” part. That makes no sense. If Kiffin’s gone after a few seasons, it’ll be because he came to coach in an incredibly difficult situation with a lot of bandwagon fairweather boosters.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Oct 3, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
So, USC's demise is explainable. Then, how about your Florida Gator implosion? And, you're not even on sanctions...yet!
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
my beloved gators got beat soundly by the better team. we don't make excuses.
as to the quitting, look i don’t know much about what happened in oakland, but from what i understand is that kiffin thought he couldn’t win so he dogged it to get fired and still get paid. he went to tennessee and his chances for success were not what he thought it was gonna be. yeah, he bailed out, but i recall watching tennessee to see what was there. i was predisposed to hope for fail, but what i saw was a team that had no heart. they quit in a few games. the one positive i saw, and the only one, kiffin had the crappiest qb in crompton, and somehow crompton improved as the season progressed, so kiffin did coach that one guy pretty good. in two years, the usc natives will be restless, kiffin will blame the lack of numbers as to the mounting losses, and he will give up and hope to get fired to get paid. lucky for you, haden won’t put up with the shenanigans and will fire him. and you will all be writing what the tennessee folks have been writing for the past month. about the horrid state of their football program. just one boy’s opinion. maybe kiffin will prove me wrong.
by yourgatoroverlord on Oct 3, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
You are so full of it you might as well run for Congress
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bulshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 3, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Your a Clown! Thanks for the talk.
Is this like the horrible talk that you parents come in to tell you about sex, when you already know what they are saying, but makes you want to vomit?
Or is it the one when someone in your family dies and some insensitive tool tells you " god musta needed another angel" ? Uh, I doubt it works like that.
We don’t need a talk from you. But I guess USC and its fans rent space in your head because I would never sign up on some gator site just to try to make myself feel better. So bye now and continue to suck in real life, like you do online.
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We Are SC
I been away climbing in the mountains all day and driving home from the wilderness all night; I figured my Trojans will knock this home opener off like Andre Ethier hits batting practice. I stumble in home, I’m exhausted but I turn to my beloved CC before I crash and see that – we lost. How. The. Hell.
Does Project Stanford include football?
Well, I love my school. I’d rather be an NCAA-ass F**ked Trojan than an undefeated Hurricane, Bruin, Husky, Irish, Cardinal, Duck or any other f**king college in the country.
Eat shit haters. I don’t care if our football team is entering a decade of mediocrity. I have a USC degree. You don’t. I live my Trojan values whether I’m beating Oklahoma 55-19 or losing to Puget Sound Community College 32-31. You haters don’t have a clue what Trojan values mean. You don’t understand that we were the cleanest, smartest, most honorable team to win a national title in the past 20 years. No, you all hated, the NCAA listened, brutalized us, and you won.
But I’m a Trojan. You’re not. We are SC. You’re not. Enjoy your modicum of football success over the coming years whatever it may be. I wouldn’t trade places with any of you for 5 national championships, or for anything else. Fight on!
everybody
Everybody needs to stop and calm down . Rey and cush are not walking through that door so get over it not lane kiffen fault how the defense is playing the team is going have to develop . I wonder if florida and texas fans are having the same style of meltdown. As for the future as i said before every year til for the next 5 or 6 years sc will have to depend on young playmakers. get over it and hope for the best from these kids.
Upset with Lane's end of game management
by anh_sc79 on Oct 3, 2010 8:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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sorry still getting used to this new phone.
Anyway, I wasn’t happy with the defense but I have seen them play like that before. what I can’t accept is Lane’s decision not to run Bradford on 3rd and 4. the way Nebraska and School were gashing their run defense, going for it bradford would sure knock few seconder off the clock. plus you have an option to go for it on fourth and short or kick it.
but what really pissed me off is Lane’s clock management on huskies last drive. knowing how piss poor the defense is, lane didn’t bother to let offense get on the field by using his timeouts. Folk is no Houston, hoping for a 33 yard kick miss is weak lane’s best strategy was to ice the kicker? really? let me remind you how lane poorly manager clock at The end of Alabama – Tennessee game last year.
Another small point. Lane should have directed the receivers to fall on the ground immediately at the end of the first half instead of fighting for yardage. Johnson could have fell and stopper the clock with a second or two left so we could at least tried a field goal.
by anh_sc79 on Oct 3, 2010 8:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
read USC instead of "School"
autocompletion feature is really annoying
by anh_sc79 on Oct 3, 2010 8:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep that was a coaching GEM wasn't it.
Hey I didn’t realize until today that Lane never started at QB at fresno and even gave up his senior year, and Sark as I remember was a balls out Baller at QB. So maybe thats it Lane is a thinner version of Wise., hope not because he is our coach.
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bullshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 3, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Pete beat up on a lot of coaches
who were waaay better college players.
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
Totally Disagree
but, I love Anh’s takes. On this one, however:
1) So, we are up by 2 late with a beaten defense and you are prepared to go for it on 4th down??? No way in hell. 99% of all coaches kick the FG to get to 5. That is NOT 4 down territory. And, the FG kicker had made his last one. Lane would have been cruicified had he run twice and not converted the 1st down.
So, maybe LAne should have run. But, 3rd and 4 is NOT a running down. Our offense has a TON of plays and prep for 3rd and 4. The play was a good one. Receiver open, as they were all night. Just poor execution. What does it say about our offense if we are afraid to pass on 3rd and 4? Well, it says we don’t trust Barkley. Maybe we don’t anymore.
2) Not using the TOs. Lane had a good explanation. After Polk’s run, the line had been conistently getting blown off the ball and giving up huge chunks. Use the TOs, and UW just has more time to move in for a shorter FG. Makes sense to me. You also give Sark time to get creative. Don’t use the TOs, hope for an offensive penalty or mistake, force a longer FG, ice the kicker, and have time to set up a good block attempt.
Debatable yes, but our D-line was getting blown off the ball. I believe Kiff had solid rationale there.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
for point #1...
does that mean its on Barkley? That was a poor throw for a passing down…and it wasn’t the only one last night. I would think that 5 games into the season he would have improved that aspect of his game…that was all touch. Many of his balls still look like wounded ducks.
we were running the ball well for a good portion of the game…yes, Bradford was stuffed on the previous play but multiple plays before that on the drive Bradford was eating up some yards.
That is my only complaint with the coach that one call…I was happy other than that. It wasn’t perfect but it was working.
"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
It wasn't the only poor throw this season either
Boy, aren’t we spoiled. USC fans simply feel entitled to have the best QB in the conference.
I am not picking on the kid. He was only 19 3 wks ago. But, Matt Barkley is only the 5th or 6th best QB in conference this season. And, his rank among QBs is where USC will likely finish in the conference race.
So, maybe USC is down on D talent. But, USC does have a strength in offensive skill players, as usual. In the past, USC would win a game like this by simply outscoring the other team. JD Booty wins this game. Of course, Sanchez, Leinart, and Carson also win this game. Rob Johnson wins this game. Barkley simply cannot connect the pieces to have a killer offense….yet.
Harping hear, but I believe Pete bet the farm on Barkley and LOST the 2009 AND 2010 seasons. Where might we be if Mustain were on his 17th start or so? I bet 5-0, but of course, we’ll never know.
USC must never start a true frosh QB ever, ever, ever again.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
I am not disagreeing with you WRT Barkley...we are on the same page
Like I said in the post he aint all that…yet
"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
aftermath
The game was awful and even if we had won… I don’t think it would have felt like much of victory if we had won. I like all the people around me were stunned that after running down the field we would pass on 3 & 4… As they lined up for the FG – one could just sense it was not going to happen. I think we are in for an ugly year or years. I have seen little to no improvement — the defense is just embarrassing –and that is more bothersome than losing. So as one earlier in the postings said – some said it has the feeling of Hackett 2 – hopefully not… but I am sensing a lack confidence that we can win…certainly in the stands that feeling seems to rearing its ugly head. After 35 years in the Coliseum the ebb and flow of mood is tangible and right now it is not good.
On a better note Bradford was a stunning – an incredible bright spot amid it all.
by trojanarchitect on Oct 3, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
Guys
At what point is it the coaches, or the players?
There is a lot of gnashing of teeth about game management, but note this, Ausberry and Ellison (or was it Rojo) were open. There were good calls. Barkley should have made those plays. He did not.
There is also a lot of back and forth about schemes, especially on Defense. But what scheme can overcome this fact (from Lev’s blog):
For the season, as a group, [the linebackers] have one sack, one pass breakup, one fumble recovery, zero forced fumbles and zero interceptions. Akeem Ayers has done that in a quarter.
That is after 5 games.
What scheme can disguise the fact that our linebackers are not very talented?
They seem like good kids and they do play hard, but Devon Kennard is still a work in progress, may never be a MIKE (probably should have stayed at SAM). Malcolm and Morgan, each individually might make plays if they were surrounded by studs, but they are not, in fact the younger players look at them to provide playmaking ability, and they just aren’t talented enough.
The secondary still looks like the Keystone Cops. Out of position with gaping holes in the zones, poor angle, poor tackling. You can seem them thinking, and not reacting. This will continue throughout the season. It’s not going to get noticeably better.
The D-Line. Adequate, but no Shaun Codys, no Mike Pattersons, No Kenechi Udeze’s no Sedricks, no Fili’s or Kyle Moores or even Everson Griffin’s. Armstead is interesting, but he is a three hundred pound defensive end. Not fast enough to the seal the corners. Casey is adequate, but he is not dominant, so it’s not like you always have to double on him. The linemen are taught gap technique, but problem is that if you run veers and misdirections, you can get the linemen going one way, and it’s up to the linebackers to make plays and you know what that means (no plays will be made). As Locker showed, moved the pocket around and you negate the pass rush.
So the defense is what it is, a bottom tier unit. That means it’s going to have to be up to the Offense to make plays. We can run the ball, but with the defense being so bad, it’s going to be on the offense to make plays, which comes down to the QB. Barkley is not exactly a liability, but when push comes to shove, he has to make plays. Last night, when he needed to, he did not. Match, set, game.
A very erudite post
until the Defense is improved, we are in for rough seas
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
I was mostly happy with the game Kiffin called
I criticized the 3rd and 4 call but for the most part the offensive play calling was fine. For all of the good in Barkley he still has some issues…he has progressed to be sure but I would sure like to see him improve his touch on some of these throws. He still gets excited which is perplexing as I am not seeing a lot of happy feet back in the pocket.
The talent isn’t yet ready on defense. Monte needs to think outside the box.
A friend of mine posted this on another board…I like his insight on this…
Galippo to Sam.
Morgan to Leo/Liz… Attack with Morgan, use his speed, stop making him play in space, have him attack,you have a Marcus Cotton in Morgan,let him press the action.
Kennard stays Mike No more dropping him to deep middle let him attack the LOS.
Smith Stays @Will, we have nobody else.
SDT Armstead
NT Casey
WDT Perry
We don’t have anyone that can play a real free safety, so either Starling or Marshall Jones have got to step up.
Beyond Wright we’re romper room in CB’s no matter how much we bitch.
TJ is a player.
I get his thinking here…we need to use some of these guys ALWAYS!
"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
Great post, love the Morgan/Cotton analogy
Yes, Morgan led the team with 9 tackles for loss last season, IIRC. Where has he been this season? He is simply not that bad.
But, Zou makes some points that I have been hearing too. Our Defensive talent is weak and our D recruiting has been weak the last few season. Pete left the cupboard a bit bare on D. Where might we be if JUST ONE of the following players were suiting up: Vontaze, Manti, Jarvis?
Per NCAA, USC offense is #13 and defense now #99. This is on Monte to think outside the box and come up with some improvement. Lane and CEO can fix the D through recruiting, but that will take a few years.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Death to the NCAA!
As I heard on Trojan talk this morning
Monte is trying to use a Pro Style Dee in college
To many different schemes in college option, sidecar, pistol it’s really not going to work as we have seen in past 5 games.
Wow the SEC is sooooooooooooo Bullshit
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 3, 2010 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
Monte is what he is
And that is a pro-style, cover-2 guru.
Not sure if Monte even can think differently. Remember, he designed the NFL’s dominant defensive scheme of the 90’s.
But I see the players on defense thinking. And that’s why they get spin around so easily, they are too busy thinking and not reacting enough. It could be experience, but it could also be the complexity. Monte has to learn that only he gets 20 hours a week with the kids for about 5 months. Some NFL players never completely felt comfortable in the Tampa-2 scheme, and it’s their full-time job.
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