USC's explosive offense keeps them in the game, the defense again lets the game get away at the end
The hard truth right now is that the defense really isn't improving like we would expect them to.
For the second week in a row the defense let an opposing offense march down the field for the walk off score. As I said last night...that USC was even in this game against a ranked team, on the road and being a 10-point underdog shows the team has some mettle.
The offense showed its potency last night. Lane Kiffin showed he can call a pretty good game. Execution on some plays could have been better but it is hard to complain about the Barkley/Woods performance. I can see where some will criticize Lane's clock management. It hasn't been stellar and we saw a few questionable decisions last night.
But the defense is killing USC. Even though there was some minor improvements the overall product is bad.
After a few hours of sleep and after reviewing the numerous post-game write-ups it safe to assume a few things.
1) Chris Galippo needs to see the field more. He made a number of plays including causing the fumble that got USC the ball to go down for the final score. On the flip side, his personal foul penalty on the final drive gave Stanford the opportunity they needed to win the game.
2) The Devon Kennard experiment at MLB just isn't working. 'SC needs to get the best talent on the field at all times while saving a few talented players in reserve to rotate out. Moving Kennard either back to DE or at another LB spot to take advantage of athletic skill would be better than keeping him at MLB.
3) Jawanza Starling needs to sit for a bit. I don't like bashing these kids but he just isn't giving USC any competitive advantage in the secondary. USC may not have given up a long pass play like they did against UW but his lack of defense really hurt us lat night. He was either out of position or couldn't make a play when it was needed.
4) As much as I liked to see Michael Morgan flying around the field he made some bone head plays as well. Morgan gives us some play making scenarios even if he makes a bone head play here and there.
5) Finally, it is time for Monte Kiffin to hang it up. Blasphemy to some I know, but after six games this defense isn't getting any better. I know the Tampa 2 takes a little time to learn but I am now beginning to think that message just isn't getting through. The lack of tackling is frustrating but that is a different problem than what we are seeing right now. Players are still missing assignments and look lost out there...that tells me that the message is either not getting through or is simply garbled. Has Monte lost his edge? The guy is in his 70's and has forgotten more about football than any 20 people combined, but if the message isn't simplified let alone not getting through I don't care how great you were/are. Its almost like he is missing things...small pieces to the puzzle that could make this all come together.
Lane is in a tough situation here...I mean come on its his dad.
Even though there seems to be a communication gap or even questions about the level of talent, this is not the same defensive unit from last year as some think...in fact far from it!
Everyone should recognize the loss of 8 players from 2008 who were drafted, but we also had these losses from last year(due to draft, transfers, injuries):
6 DBs are not playing (and 4 of those were among the top 6 leading tacklers last year - missed tackles anyone?....) Plus we had one underclassmen transfer, and had last year's 2nd string free safety go down with a year-ending injury).
4 DLs are not playing, including 3 former starters (1 drafted, 1 graduated/NFL free agent signee, 1 transfered, 1 injured. Included in this are 2 of the top 3 tacklers on the DL from last year). Not to mention our current sack/TFL leader has been injured the past 2 games.
And 4 backup LBs are not here (one of whom started several games last year, and likely would be starting this year if he was cleared to play, plus 2 transfers, and one graduating 5-star who saw a decent amount of time when he wasn't injured/ineligible).[...]
We're missing 14 guys from last year's team that either were in the 1st-2nd string or would have been 1st-2nd string this year had they stayed or not been injured. (And we replaced those losses with exactly.......6 new defensive players....7 if you count we switched a tight-end to D).
So, that's means we have 7 guys starting full-time for the first time this year!!! Not to mention the fact that among 2 of our starting LBs, 1 has now played about 10 games at LB (in his whole life) and the other has now started about 20 games at LB in his whole life.
Hard not to disagree with this. Of course there will be some growing pains but you would expect a little more progress and development. The message is simply not getting through.
Markazi thinks 'SC is on the right track...
If you compare this team to the one Carroll last coached, the one which lost three of their last six games and two of their last three at the Coliseum, including 27-point and 34-point losses to Oregon and Stanford respectively, this team has improved drastically. It’s understandable to want to compare this team to Carroll’s squads which won the conference and went to a BCS bowl for seven straight years but that’s simply not the team Carroll left Kiffin with and certainly not the one Kiffin will be fielding for the next four years while the program is on probation for infractions which took place on Carroll’s watch.
So USC lost to Washington on a last second field goal last week. The same thing happened last year with Carroll coaching a team which was ranked third in the country at the time.
So USC lost to Stanford on a last second field goal this week. It’s certainly an improvement over last season’s 55-21 debacle, which were the most points ever scored against USC.
And people want to chide me about "moral victories"?
To me, being on the right track means 'SC would have stopped either of the two final drives. It would have meant that the defense would have made some key plays throughout the game. It would have meant a reduction in bad penalties.
On the flip side we have ESPN-L.A.'s Mark Saxon...
The struggles of the USC defense are wasting some pretty special performances. Freshman receiver Robert Woods (224 receiving yards) is emerging as one of the most dangerous play makers in the nation. Barkley has become one of the best quarterbacks in the nation and probably won't get a peep of Heisman support this year.
It's all getting snowed under by a defense that either can't grasp defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin's schemes or just isn't very good. It certainly isn't very fast. Just imagine what Oregon is going to do at the Coliseum in a few weeks.
As I outlined above, I think the problems are pretty clear...
The past is the past. This about the here and now. 'SC was in a position win against UW and Stanford. I will take that over being blown out with no hope like last year against Stanford and Oregon but we have to get to the next level.
We have to close the deal.
We have to go for the kill shot and finish these teams off.
What's it going to take???
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Agreed Paragon - especially WRT Monte
Sweet analysis of the current state of SC football Paragon, very nice. ESPN Miller should link to this.
The defense needs a leader who can communicate and Monte’s not doing it. You nailed all the defensive issues. But I say the defense can be capable of holding teams to 24 points a game if coached up right. If the D could limit the opponent to 24 pts. a game, we gave a great chance to win.
But who would replace Monte? Internal or external candidate?
Congrats to our offense again. Barkley will be in New York in November next year.
Let's see what happens after Cal...
"What have they figured out?" "NOTHING." Lane Kiffin
"Mention USC to a Bruin and they get angry; mention UCLA to a Trojan and they laugh."
agreed
Most DCs didn’t have to coach their team against the top two pro prospects in the country in consecutive weeks
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
by RabbitSC on Oct 10, 2010 9:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
6 Games
into the season after all the changes is way to soon to be calling for Monte’s head
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
+1 Huge Point
We have just lost to two of the best 3 pro-style QBs in the nation, Barkley being the third. We do not play a QB near this good the rest of the way. Sorry, Foles is not in this league.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!
WE WILL DEFEAT KAL. THEY LOOKED GOOD ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE PLAYING THE RUINS!
Monte is not the problem. The problem is we don’t have Teo, Burfict and others that went elsewhere because of the impending sanctions and concern’s with PC’s coaching staff.
Football season is here
U feeling Loco?
Ditto a million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
I suspect Monte will resign
if he really feels that he’s lost the team. I would not like to see him do so until after the season is over in any case — more chaos for these kids will in no way help them. Personally I’m willing to give him another year, and see what happens — this is a strange year, and the D is strange, but there is no quick fix. Look at Texas — they lost to UCLA — who just got smushed by Cal. Will “boom” Muschamp is supposed to be the best young DC in the nation. Their D made Kevin Prince look like Vince Young. What should they do?
I would have to say most of todays kids are hard to crack for anyone especially for Monte.
Most of todays generation don’t respect themselves enough to respect others, unless there is a smoking gun at their head. They are the most me-me generation ever, like today I am on the phone with my best friend and he 14 year old walks into the doesn’t say hi and demands money. So he say wait I am on the phone and says go ask your mom, she says he is the worlds worst father. No respect thats just it No Respect.
I love national championships it make me feel superior to others, my who place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 10, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's almost easier to get blown out...
…than to lose games you should have won, especially with so much pride on the line.We wanted to be undefeated at this point, just to poke the NCAA and the SChaters in the eye. And we coulda, shoulda, woulda been there.
We’re not, so now calling for Monte’s head is probably premature.
1) It’s not going to happen. Maybe Lane shouldn’t have hired dad in the first place to avoid this dilemma, but no way dad gets thrown under the bus midseason. If SC loses to fUCLA or Notre Dame, look for Monte to resign by choice in January.
More importantly, 2) time and expectation are now on Monte’s side. Trojan Nation was playing and rooting for an undefeated season. The schedule looked conducive with the major obstacle being the Oregon home game. To get over that hump, pyschologically we needed to face Oregon at a confident, cocky 7-0.
That’s not happening. So now the rest of the games are basically practices, previews, and dry runs for next season. So there is no reason to get rid of Monte now. He will get more time to improve the defense because all SC has anymore is time to improve.
But...
…I think we can confidently say the whole Kiffin-Kiffin experiment with no scrimmages, no tackling in offseason practice was a major mistake. The defense entered the first game looking like they hadn’t practiced…and they really hadn’t!
i am 0% confident
That we would be any better having tackled in practice
"I have a commanding voice." - Ed Orgeron
by RabbitSC on Oct 10, 2010 9:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Can someone explain what Monte actually does?
The media guide lists him as “Assistant Head Coach.” Ed Orgeron is listed as Defensive Coordinator. But everyone is calling this Monte’s defense, because it’s Tampa-2 (though we don’t always line up that way). So are people saying that Monte is getting in the way of what would be an awesome Coach O defense?
Monte is the guy
Coach O has the title
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
The funny thing here I have notice that some have said to Lose a Game you should have Won.
There is no such thing nothing is guarantee in any sport contest or any contest or even life, you take the good with the bad and TRY and learn from the mistakes. Notice I said TRY because sometime circumstances keep even that from happening, so to put this mythical win and loss schedule out there is on you not the team. I say this because you as the FAN are NOT playing the TEAM is.
I love national championships it make me feel superior to others, my who place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 10, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
Two ke things last night
The defensive front finally got the pressure we expected from them. Unfortunately, the DB’s had been getting ticky-tack calls earlier in the season and haven’t fronted their men off the block. That is to say, except Shareece Wright. The man is a baller!
Which brings us to the second thing. The referee-ing. Now I’m not blaming the loss on the refs. They called it like they saw it. We’ve got the muddled Tampa 2 in a prevent set most of the game. That doesn’t bode well for a MLB that can’t cover and safeties biting too early. Our inexperience in the secondary is apparent. Some of those throws by Luck were pure mercy plays as our front 3/4 were man-rushing. For the first time in a long time, our D-front finally brought the pressure. Our defense just isn’t on the same page most of the game. When the pressure comes, it’s got to remain consistent. When it’s consistent our DB’s can check the wideouts on the block. But, when the TE or RB comes out of the backfield, the safeties have to sit- they can’t bite thinking to cover for our MIKE.
Kennard is an experiment gone awry. Bring him in, if we have to on running plays and to spell Galippo. Galippo must start, as does Horton. Pure and simple.
I’m not sure to put the onus on Monte. His scheme works, he just needs to stop experimenting with DK and keep Galippo and Horton in 1st string. It’s too bad about Drew McAllister- he’s the best safety we’ve got and he’s on crutches. Drew is NFL-talent but he’s forever injured, but he plays the safety spot like a pro. He’s never out of position and although he can’t crack like TayMay, I think he is/was a better safety than he was.
My two-cents.
"Fun fact: My grandma actually had 7 carries for 79 yards and one TD last year against Stanford. The (Oregon Ducks) spread option just works like that, but it helped that she’s pretty scrappy" (JShufelt- Addicted to Quack)
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 10, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
The late Galippo penalty was trivial
’Furd would have made it into FG range w/out the penalty, just might have been a longer FG. Other plays were bigger….missed Wildcat pass to Havili, Havili fumble deep in ’Furd territory, missed FG opportunity at end of 1st half, etc.
The analysis above is excellent on the depletion of the defense. The defense wasn’t very good last year. Would our defense really be any better if Pete were still here and had not changed schemes? I kind of doubt it.
I don’t know how to fix the Defense other than through recruiting. But, I am confident that we are playing better and have the potential to play at a Top 10 level once we improve the Defense to an average conference level. Also, 2011 looks very good with a more mature secondary, and very few critical players lost – Wright, Morgan, Smith, O’Dowd.
Shout out to Galippo and Shane Horton who are clearly our two best tacklers. Those guys need to play more.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!
by DFWTrojan on Oct 10, 2010 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
¡Hola amigos!
Let me be the first to say this, from now on: WE. WILL. RUN. THE. TABLE.
Delusional? Perhaps but here’s why:
1. Our offense is about to explode and turn up its average production into the high 30’s or low 40’s against a bunch of not so great Pac-10 defensive units.
2. Coach Kiffin isn’t playing it loosey-goosey like PC. Discipline will come to our depleted defense and penalties will decrease, but it’s hard to break that old boneheaded mindset. Last season’s defense had no prospects to improve, this one does even though we just don’t have the horses. Monte is the solution not the problem.
3. Coach Kiff and his staff are still learning this team. They will adjust and improve.
4. I love this team’s grit. They’re Fighting On like Trojans despite the punishing blows from the NCAA. USC has been on “virtual” sanctions for almost three years, what would we be like if Teo, Burfict and a couple of other guys were in our backfield?
There, and to all the bandwagon fans I say… good riddance!
FIGHT ON!
Football season is here
U feeling Loco?
by M. AGRIPPA on Oct 10, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I hope you are right about running the table
I think points 2-4 are right on. We can’t expect instant success. We also shouldn’t be too critical of Kiff and Monte — alot of other HC’s and DC’s would be running for the exits after this offseason, these guys are staying and working hard. There is no savior waiting in the wings, we need to bear with the quality coaches we have.
Count me in
especially re: Monte. I believe in the end, when these Kids learn his system, we’ll see a defensive monster. I hate to see them play the way they are, but I consider it the price we pay now; for big dividends down the road.
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"You can't sanction heart, and you can't sanction the will to win" - USC QB, Matt Barkley
That's a rec!
Another huge point, Monte is not THE problem. Monte inherited THE problem. Monte is attempting to fix THE problem.
I don’t know how long it will take, but I am confident that this staff will find a way to fix the defense.
Despite Mike Patrick’s moronic insistence that our schedule only gets more difficult, USC has already played 2 of its 4 toughest games. Other than the Oregons, USC should be a modest to heavy favorite to win 5 of the next 7. Plus, we CAN beat Oregon, who is a one dimensional running team and very mediocre on the road. And, we CAN also beat a rapidly improving, dangerous OSU team in Corvallis. Kal, UCLA, Zona, ASU, ND, all extremely winnable games.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!
Hate to say this...
but PC saw what was coming and ran for the exit. There’s no way his staff (and style) keeps this team anywhere near competitive against Furd or even Washington. He knew no NFL offers would come his way if he ended up sitting on 6 losses. We have the best staff in all college football, period.
Tex, 55 and WASC. Color us delusional, but I believe Coach Kiff is about to engineer one of the greatest turnaround jobs in CBF history. He will be named Pac-10 COTY.
Football season is here
U feeling Loco?
+1
Dude, I so agree on PC. It had nothing to do with sanctions. But, as you said, 2009 was a wakeup call, and he could feel that, for the first time, he was losing his team. His staff had been decimated. His recruiting genius was wearing off. His admitted MO was to never stay more than 10 years or risk getting stale.
Not bashing PC at all. He made a brilliant move, in retrospect. Timed it well. But, we need to understand that Lane was dealt a pair of 8s in the hole, not a couple of Aces.
I am also totally with you on Lane. I truly believe he is the next great, young coach…..Sean Payton, Bob Stoops, Jon Gruden, etc. The offensive stats show that this offense is playing the 2nd best ball of the decade behind 2005 WITH the worst field position.
You can't put sanctions on the fkn endzone! Bowls are for salad!
Plus one on both of you dudes
I have to say M. Agrippa, DFW, Gnossos, and yes ad me So-Cal are the Four Musketeers here.
Now I have make a spot for Bix—-ah most important Tavern Bar Owner and operator that helps us along the way.
I love national championships it make me feel superior to others, my who place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 11, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Gentlemen, below you will find John McKay's first 3 years at USC
Now I’m not saying Lane will give us a perfect season in 3 years but let’s give him a chance…..
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl Coaches# AP°
USC Trojans (Pacific-8 Conference) (1960–1975)
1960 USC 4–6 3–1 2nd
1961 USC 4–5–1 2–1–1 T–2nd
1962 USC 11–0 4–0 1st W Rose 1 1
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
Yep and I was 10 and saw that Rose Bowl game, that was probably the first hook.
I love national championships it make me feel superior to others, my who place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 11, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Gentlemen, below is the first 3 years of John McKay's reign at USC
Now I’m not saying Lane’s gonna give us a perfect season in three years…………but he might!
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl Coaches# AP°
USC Trojans (Pacific-8 Conference) (1960–1975)
1960 USC 4–6 3–1 2nd
1961 USC 4–5–1 2–1–1 T–2nd
1962 USC 11–0 4–0 1st W Rose 1 1
"Understanding is a virtue, hard to come by"
J. Airplane
Bless you Boys!
You all keep me optimistic.
Let the Monte chips fall where they may. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. Agree on the offense and the head coach and the rest of the staff that’s good enough for me.
I stand by this – if we hold other teams to 24 pts. or less we win the game. We will score 25 a game minimum.
Well I guess the first haft of the season is over at cal then it's a bye week reconstruction and gun ho after that.
I love national championships it make me feel superior to others, my who place has USC stuff everywhere, it's painted red and gold, my car is the same colors my asscrack is bruin blue.
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 11, 2010 8:16 AM PDT reply actions
Cal will come in with their hair on fire
with their great running game but… Kevin Riley? Really?
No disrespect to our Cal amigos but the Kevster is a massive step down from Licker and Cluck (sorry, couldn’t resist).
This game will be won in the trenches; just avoid stupid penalties an turnovers and we should win it by 7 in the fourth quarter.
Football season is here
U feeling Loco?

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