Lane Kiffin Reset - The Morning After
This is not going to be a popular post so fair warning...
I have always tried to be objective but I realize that sometimes the raucous fan comes out in me. I was giddy lat night night but upon taking a second look I am not so sure.
I think it would be appropriate for all of us to take a deep breath and a step back and look at the totality of the hiring of Lane Kiffin.
This is not going to be a popular hire once the dust settles and and the excitement wears off. Many of will take a second look and shake our heads.
I understand why this hire was made. I am impressed with the assistants that have been brought in, as well as those who "may" be brought in. If USC was looking to make a statement then they certainly succeeded.
But we need to temper our enthusiasm.
USC is attempting to catch lightning in a bottle for a second time by hiring this all-star cast...understand that there is no guarantee of success. Many of these guys' egos are much bigger now then when they first came to USC. This will be difficult to manage.
Kiffin comes with some heavy baggage. He has much to prove as he takes over one of the most storied programs in all of college football.
Saving one recruiting class at the possible cost of future classes has some very definite risks.
There was a time where many were ready to shoot Kiffin on sight after ucla's 13-9 win over USC in 2006. There are others that blame Kiffin for USC's loss to Texas in the national championship game. There are even more who blame Kiffin for the departure of Norm Chow if for no other reason that it was because of Pete Carroll's nepotism. All of those complaints are legit.
So what has changed?
As many of you know I am not an alum of USC. I could not possibly know firsthand the traditions of USC athletics. Yes, I know of many of them through may dad but I did not live them myself. I didn't sit in the student section at the Coliseum, I never waited in anticipation for an acceptance letter. My affiliation with this program is one of the fan so I couldn't possibly understand the emotional investment that those who attended USC have. It is similar to those who have served in the military...you can't possibly know what it is like to put on your countries uniform unless you signed your name on the dotted line and committed to the risks.
I bring this up because this hire does make me uneasy.
The four days before this hire were stressful from a fans point of view. We saw one of the greatest coaches in modern college football take his leave from USC for a new challenge in the NFL. The years of stability under Pete Carroll were a thing of the past. The question was who would be USC's next head coach? Just like 2001 USC was rebuffed and they staring down at a number of NFL retreads or former alums that didn't want to leave the NFL.
There were rumors of some high powered trustees heading the search. Those rumors also put forth the belief that Mike Garrett was no longer making the major decisions and that he had very little input if any in the search of the new coach.
This was telling to me...Mike Garrett, whether you like him or not, is a Trojan to the core. Even if we don't like some of his decisions or his aloofness he is 100% USC. That being said, Garrett's lack of conviction to protect the university that he so dearly loves (Bush, Mayo etc.), forced the board of trustees' hand to become proactive in the coaching search. That is what makes this hire so stunning. With SC already having a target on its chest in regards to the NCAA; they approve, hire and finance a coach who has made a name for himself as a joke with one fan base and with a whole other football conference.
What I find even more stunning is that Pat Haden is rumored to be one of the trustees involved and apparent approval of this hire.
That is not the Pat Haden that many of us know as a representative of USC.
He has never shown himself to be a sell-out.
I will admit to my excitement of the news in finally getting a coach on board last night and the assistants that look to be on board, but as I look at this again will it be worth it? I admit to some rationalization in liking this hire last night, but we need to face reality...Kiffin is a quick fix. He will leave sooner rather than later. The bigger question is not if but how much damage will he leave in his wake? We have seen some of the stunts that Kiffin has pulled at UT...that may be fine for the SEC and their nutty fan base but will that fly at USC?
It should not be allowed and we should not accept it for one second if he pulls any of the stunts that he pulled at Tennessee.
I said last night that Kiffin has my unwavering support. He should, he is now the head coach but that support will crumble if he puts the program back into the cross hairs of the NCAA. No amount of wins, titles or recruiting classes is worth the black eye that could come with this hire. We are already facing some embarrassing revelations in February so why do we need to add to the list?
I will continue to write about this team as I see things through may own eyes even if my thoughts, views and opinions are not in line with others. I have yet to talk to my dad about this...that should be a fun conversation. He has always been my moral compass (even when I have screwed up big time) so his take on this will be interesting to hear because of his ties to the university and his personal relationship with Mike Garrett.
I am not expecting a thumbs up to this hire.
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Let me add a few thoughts on Norm Chow...
There are many ucla fans on the message boards that are ripping Chow...not surprising, as they feel jilted.
Chow coming on board in all of this is the only cog on the wheel that will make this work in the long run. He will temper Kiffin's youthful zeal.
But...
It would appear that Chow is only after one thing...Money.
That is fine, we all have our vices. But it comes at a cost.
That Chow even entertained this says a lot about him. He is under contract at ucla. There were many ucla fans that trumpeted his hire two years ago but they too couldn't see the forest through the trees. Norm Chow used ucla to get back at Pete Carroll and ucla fans were only more than happy to jump on board to poke SC in the eye. Watch out what you wish for...When a better deal came along it would appear that Chow will jump at the chance to take it. Even if he doesn't leave ucla that can't be a good signal for ucla and Rick Neuheisel. A trust will have been broken. If Neuheisel keeps him after Chow unzipped his fly it will say a lot about Neuheisel as well.
This is the new age in CFB. Money controls all!
Our rivals from across town have always tried to take the moral high ground on issues of subatnce but they surrendered that when they hired a coach with 50-plus recruiting violations and a history of lying. Maybe Neuheisel now being the steward of his alma mater has changed him, maybe it hasn't...he still has a brash attitude and a little swagger. Hopefully Kiffin will take note of Neuheisel's second chance and make the best of things and lay down the law. Maybe he will be more diligent in making sure that the rules are followed...Most important, maybe this opportunity will simply make him think before he does anything or says anything that can be misconstrued by the fans, the administration and by the NCAA.
My enthusiasm is tempered over this hiring. USC now looks like a bunch of hired guns and the raiding of the UT coaching staf and recruits does not leave a very good taste in my mouth.
Instead of "Win Forever" the new mantra is now "Win at all Costs" and we should be concerned about what that says about USC...
Damn shame really...
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Norm Chow
I can understand most everything that you are saying. And a healthy skepticism is good.
But you are wrong about Chow. It is not all about money for him. Yes, he is going for the best money he can get, but, anyone would be a fool to not do that.
Having known Chow briefly during his first tenure, though, let me tell you this. He loves USC. He loved his time here. And he was shocked when the parting of ways came down. The last time I saw him was after the 2004 championship and about a week before his departure.
He was happy, with his wife, buying paraphernalia in the bookstore. We chatted, and he was beaming like a kid in the candy store.
I have met with him a few times, had lunch with him a couple times, dinner once and went to a Kings game where he was our guest of honor (along with Uperesa and Pola).
The guy really likes USC. He loves USC, I dare say. I think he had one or two kids at USC.
So, bottom line, it’s not just about money for Chow.
by lonobird on Jan 13, 2010 6:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're good Lono
If he loves SC then he should be on board!
by Paragon SC on Jan 13, 2010 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oppurtunity is knocking
for money. I’m sure he wants back at ‘SC, but he’s playing with BoT.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He will go where the money is the best.
I don’t believe he harbors USC any ill will. But he will stay at ucla if the pay is only a slight bit more than we offer.
by frak on Jan 13, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is stating the obvious.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Norm has been courting USC boosters for months
He has been gauging USC interest even before the season ended.
by frak on Jan 13, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lono knows! I personally witnessed (frak too!) the very public “show me the love” moment between PC and Norm before the UCLA game. A month ago San Jose State approached Norm and he said no. The only people that didn’t see this coming sleep in baby blue pajamas.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you go away on vacation for a week and look what happens. . .
I have a slightly different take on the hire. I do not think its a great hire, but it could have been worse. USC has only had a real no holds barred coaching search twice to my knowledge, Carroll and Mckay. Everyone else hired has been the product of McKay’s coaching tree, Kiffin is a product of Carrolls. It was either Kiffin/ Sarkisian or an NFL retread like Mariucci or Herm Edwards, those hires would have meant total disaster, Paul Hackett time. With Kiffin we are in a situation not all that dissimilar from Erickson era Miami, he stands a good chance of winning another title before his flameout, and under the circumstances, and with USC admin (who is just as backward as ND’s or Michigans, just in its own special way) its about as good as we could hope for.
Also, why worry about the NCAA, everyone hates USC, they will always hate USC, we could make the good lord himself coach and still get sanctioned. We are the Miami of the west (or Miami is the USC of the east) we have to just accept it, and let the haters hate.
by ilium55 on Jan 13, 2010 7:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't go on vacation!
Yes, some of the names being thrown around had me confused. I hated the Riley idea, and thought Harbaugh was just wrong for USC. But some of the other names had me going nuts.
The savior of this hire is Monte Kiffin, Ed O and Chow. That is incredible, especially if Chow comes aboard.
by lonobird on Jan 13, 2010 7:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way to keep the party going was to bring in Kiffin or Sark. I think this was all carefully orchestrated by PC, MG, Roski, Haden, et.al. For God’s sake, Coach O was already at HH breaking down film last night. PC talks to Monte all the time, do you think he didn’t consult him about going to the Seahawks? OF COURSE HE DID! The natural thing would have been for PC to suggest that Lane should assume the role Pete had groomed him for. For USC is was easy, feed a bunch of disinformation to Scott Wolf and ESPN, make a show of it and then hire the guy you really need.
As an aside, Mike Riley should send fruit baskets to Heritage Hall and the Seahawks front office.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000,000.
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll always support USC...
But this is just another example of what a sham the NCAA is. The Tennessee recruits got screwed, plain and simple. This is why I feel that when Garrett let the basketball recruits out of their LOI, it was one of the most stand-up things of the year. I hope Tennessee does the same.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 13, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Letter of Intent day
isn’t till February. Some may have enrolled early but the majority have not signed yet, so there is no issue with letting them out.
oc phil
by oc phil on Jan 13, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the ones who went to classes already are locked in and have to be released by the University.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 13, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which UT has already stated that they won't do.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Jan 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I like the hire of Lane, because he is on familiar ground and it is still fertile.
Listen I am not glad that Lane had to leave Tenn. but this stuff happens all the time and not in FB but life. Heck I work for Company that moves there management every 2-3 years, and you have no choice of where. But on the other hand they tell us to make it a neighborhood store, well how do that if you are jumping around. In this case the part time staff doesn’t get a fair shake, raises aren’t the same and promotions to. So yes students, recruits and players get used to it it is called LIFE.
GO TROJANS AND KICK SOME PAC-10 BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 8:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As Dan Jenkins would say, it’s “Life Its Ownself.”
by gnossos on Jan 13, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kiffin?
I’m not entirely sold on Kiffin…but I’m sold on the staff as a whole. After sleeping on it, I like the hire. I think you’ll see a different Kiffin than at Tennessee. There, he was an outsider needing to make a statement. Here, he’s in familiar territory and not trying to break into the SEC stronghold. I’m reading that the players and recruits like him and are excited, and I think that’s most important. They have to play for him…I don’t. Time will tell.
by RunTravelerRun on Jan 13, 2010 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
KIffin was making a big splash as a newcomer in the SEC and followed the “any publicity is good publicity” policy. The situation at USC is totally different and I’d expect him to act differently.
I’m sticking with my initial reaction that this is a great hire for USC. KIffin has his haters and USC has its haters and they are going to be vocal for awhile.
oc phil
by oc phil on Jan 13, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about haters look at BN they have at least ten threads about USC and not themselves.
I can’t wait to read there stuff if Chow crosses it will be historical.
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So was UT.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Jan 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Para, you make some good points but there's no moralizing in Division I Football
Let’s start with the overarching fact that the NCAA is a corrupt organization, all else flows from there. In an ideal world this would all be transacted honorably, but the entire system is a mad chase after the all mighty dollar. It is officially sanctioned and the few rules are but window dressing. End of story.
As far as Kiffin is concerned, you are buying potential. The Democrats had no problem buying into Obama because the IT factor oozes from the man’s pores. The Lakers and Cavs paid tens of millions to high school kids named Kobe and LeBron for the same reason. Lane Kiffin fits in this same category. Yeah, he’s made mistakes and will make more. An he won’t stay for more that 3-4 years. That’s the story in big time football. Were used to it.
Regarding Norm Chow. A buddy of mine knows him very well, and the reason he went to UCLA had nothing to do with “getting back” at Pete Carroll and everything with his love of football. Norm has a comfortable home in Manhattan Beach, and a great family life (his kids are all Trojans); he could have taken the Titan’s money and retired, but that’s not Norm. The man is a competitor and he wasn’t ready to fade into the sunset. UCLA offered him a chance to stay relevant until the next opportunity came, just a short commute up the 405. I hate this term but, it was a no-brainer.
Norm is nobody’s fool. He’s been burned before, and he certainly knows he and his family come first. The only way he doesn’t take the job is if UCLA manages to put up a better offer. With Slick taking a pay cut, what are the chances?
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is off topic, but you must be getting exercised if you were indirectly complimentary about the President.
by DC Trojan on Jan 13, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not blind to the man’s attributes and admire what he’s achieved. Unfortunately he’s completely wrong on pretty much everything.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that counts as a baby step.
by DC Trojan on Jan 13, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're My Hero
“It’s Division I football! It’s the Big 12! It ain’t intramurals!”.
by gnossos on Jan 13, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of points.
I for one do blame the 13-9 loss on Kiffin, however none of the others. He didn’t cause Leinart to short arm the throw to Hancock or Justice to miss his block the play later. Everyone wants to point out that Bush was on the sidelines, but both of those plays were called correctly, would have worked and would have won the game for USC. I find it hard to believe Lane forced out Chow, the rumors are it was Sark if anyone. Last time I checked Carroll was the head coach and any blame needs to be laid at his feet, not Kiffin. As to Carroll himself, his feet were still made of clay not bronze. Yes he was a great HC, but lets not get beyond that. He was no John McKay. Great with recruiting, media, alumni, and fans. He could even build a pretty good staff and was a hell of a good defensive mind. However he also blew up the best staff he had after the 2004 and 2005 seasons and had an ego a mile wide (not always a bad thing). You could easily argue his poor staffing keep USC out of the BCS MNC game in 2006-2008. You could also point out there was clearly something wrong this last year beyond just a freshman QB and a bunch of injuries. Love him or hate him, we have Lane for a HC.
by ev on Jan 13, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Question for the board...
Which is worse: Lane Kiffin bolting on Tennessee after one year and leaving his recruits out to dry, or Calipari heading to Kentucky and basically kicking out more than half the team?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 13, 2010 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know and don't really care as I said it all is the real world, I guess some people have hard time realizing it.
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well two DL players and 1 LB have de-committed at Tenn.
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts
As I said last night, and many are agreeing here, Kiffin will not be our head coach 5 years from now. Regardless of whether or not Chow comes, this “dream team” will not last forever and people (most likely Kiffin) will get anxious and move on.
The most important thing to happen during his tenure is to not make the NCAA situation worse, which may be a challenge for him, but also might just happen, as many have alluded to the fact that he won’t have to “make a splash” and grab attention by coming to SC like he did going to Tennessee.
That said, I’m really hoping for “I can’t wait to sing Tusk all night long after beating the Bruins in the Rose Bowl this year” at the press conference today. If nothing else the Kiffin “era” will be an entertaining one and an exciting time to watch and follow USC football.
As long as Kiff keeps the talent level up (and with the team coming on board and his history, he should) and we can contend for the Pac-10 every year, then this should be a fun ride until the coaching search starts all over again and we (hopefully) get a more long term solution.
I like the analogy Shelley Smith used of “getting the band back together,” but using that analogy can be cause for some pause – reunions are almost never as good as the original, and if you don’t have the same lead singer, it’s a 98% chance it’s going to be horrible. This kind of feels like we got Jimmy Paige and John Paul Jones on board, put Jason Bonham on the drums, but there’s no Robert Plant (PC) – most likely, it’s just not going to be the same. But hopefully Kiffin will be his own “front man” and use the talents of those “musicians” to form his own band and do something we can all rock out to.
Fight On!
by FightOn09 on Jan 13, 2010 10:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Rolling Stones
Those of us that have followed them from the beginning have seen them break up and “get back together” several times. Jumping Jack Flash and the boys are old enough to be your grandpa but they’re talented and professional. Shelley Smith doesn’t have those qualities.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Life is change, How it differs from the Rocks”
by gnossos on Jan 13, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a poor hire without Norm Chow
With him, it’s a middling to acceptable hire long-term. Short term it absolutely saves the recruiting class for USC, which I suppose is good for the Trojans’ ability to recruit in the immediate future. Oregeron is a known recruiting ‘genius’, and a terrible coach. I think he’ll do just fine as a recruiting coordinator.
I think Monte’s defense was somewhat overrated in his first season at Tennessee, but it’s hard to argue against his results in the pros.
I wont harp on the recruiting violations angle, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that Lane was a well-known troublemaker in the SEC and is certain to invite even more scrutiny of USC’s recruiting tactics in the coming weeks and months.
All that said, I did briefly want to touch on something that I believe many West Coasters are overlooking – namely, the almost universal visceral hatred that will now be coming from the entirety of the SEC towards USC. If you do not think that the almost unprecedented hatred of a member institution of the Pac-10 is not an important calculation to make, you do not understand the politics of NCAA football. There are Georgia fans that now hate USC and Lane Kiffin. Georgia fans. We hate Tennessee. We usually revel in their misery. The fact that we’re upset about this is somewhat incredulous, and also goes to show that merely by spurning a team in the SEC, Kiffin has invited an entirely new level of hatred (and by default, scrutiny) that will be foisted on USC.
Whether that level of visceral hatred or scrutiny remains is yet to be seen, but I’d be cautiously concerned if I were a USC fan. Whatever you may think of the SEC, you certainly don’t want to piss off the 2000 lb gorilla of collegiate football conferences, or at least invite unwanted attention to the workings of your athletic administration. That’s basically what USC has done here.
Finally, on another related note, the entire hiring and firing process in college football is completely bonkers at this point. These men are toying with the lives of 18 year old kids, and the lack of deference they provide to the people who ultimately provide them the opportunity to earn exorbidant sums of money is, frankly, embarrassing. The NCAA needs to get their act together and begin building a framework on the hiring and firing process that they enforce rigorously with ADs at member institutions. This is simply no longer tenable – and it completely distorts the entire purpose of this off-season process, which is to ensure that 18-year old kids are satisfied with the decision they’ve made in regards to the next four years (and often, the most important four years of one’s life).
by CAJason80 on Jan 13, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
So you think someone is going to kill Kiffin over this? Relax, dude. I think you’re overlooking yourself. USC has only one conference to worry about, and this is it’s own conference. If you followed anything of the Pete Carroll leaving saga, it’s that CFB is a business. Players know this. Oppurtunity is knocking, and fortanately it knocked on Lane’s front door. Who are you to judge a person’s decisions in life?
I agree with you on this, i feel terribly bad for the kids. Each of these men are toying with teenager’s lives. But in the end, you only look after yourself and your family. It’s tough, it really is, but shit happens and money talks. No doubt the CFB is hating on ‘SC right now, but I don’t think USC really cares (otherwise they wouldn’t have done this).
by Julio Nievas on Jan 13, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The kids will be fine...
they know the deal.
This business…kids leave early and transfer and get a fee education and relaxed rules.
Kids adapt.
If they chose a school based on the coach with the fluidity of CFB then that is their problem
by Paragon SC on Jan 13, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not saying someone is going to kill Kiffin
I’m just saying the move invariably invites more scrutiny of Kiffin’s actions from a conference that probably didn;t much care what USC did, but now does. I agree with you that USC probably doesn’t much care what everyone else thinks; that’s fine, I suppose.
by CAJason80 on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude I know you are at least 40 years old, really after working and dealing with people are you really worried about want other people think?
I used to be that way but after getting crapped on, I really don’t care how others judge me. Why because that is them and not me, I know I can’t please all people all the time. I will pick my battles and walk away from ones I fell are frivolous, but I always stand up for myself and friends. Also coach O is a fantastic coach, just had a bad experience the first time head coach.
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, hopefully Lane will mature like most people do as they age and experience life. I’m sure he is aware of the position he is in and the “unique” circumstances that got him here.
by gnossos on Jan 13, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Oregeron is a known recruiting ‘genius’, and a terrible coach."
If you qualify that statement as a terrible head coach, it’s defensible, although I would have liked to see what the O could have done with another year at Ole Miss. As a positional coach, though? I’m crossing my fingers for Wild Bunch III.
by Boy Howdy on Jan 13, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, meant head coach
He’s a pretty decent position coach.
by CAJason80 on Jan 13, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am bamboozled about why Georgia fans would care one way or the other, but that’s just me.
I think you’re on to something with the last paragraph, but an easier way to do it would be to apply from free-market thinking to the players’ rules and allow them to transfer more easily without having to sit out a year. Why should they be any different from “regular” students?
by DC Trojan on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kids?
I’m sure you’ve had the opportunity to stand next to some those 5-Star prospects. They are not “kids.”
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Jan 13, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah how many kids have press conferences to pick a school, and these kids get FREE paid trips.
Fine the nearest cliff Mike Garret and put your car in Drive and step on the peddle.
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They hated us before and they probably will hate us more now…but that’s life…..we’ll be all right.
by gnossos on Jan 13, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody want to fill me in on the Norm Chow saga?
What happened exactly? Why’d he leave ’SC?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Jan 13, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
so what happened exactly?
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Jan 13, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chow wanted more money
that’s the easy part he was always about money.
But he resented the way that PC was grooming and playing favorites with Kiffin and Sarkisian.
Kiffin and Chow actually got on pretty well even though they had a big argument the night of the win over Oklahoma. Chow wanted more recognition but felt PC was giving more to LK and SS.
Chow always resented that PC changed the offense from what Chow liked to do…PC made him change it after the first season.
All about ego but Chow never had a problem with Kiffin he felt more betrayed by Sarkisian…they had some history from BYU. I am probably missing a few details but that is the overall picture…
by Paragon SC on Jan 13, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh interesting. I wish there was some article that summarized this ‘cause now I’m really curious
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from the wolf... love this...
A rival athletic director had this to say on USC’s hiring of Lane Kiffin: ``If they get Norm Chow plus Ed Orgeron and Monte Kiffin, Winnie the Pooh could be the head coach.’’
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 13, 2010 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are u shitting me?
Lane Kiffin?!?
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Which USC player said this, “I hate that guy, he’s the biggest asshole ever. I wish he were dead!”
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
by Old Ducker on Jan 13, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, which USC player said that?
by DC Trojan on Jan 13, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kiffin is the Perfect Hire
Lane Kiffin is a wunderkind. Son of a legend. Born into coaching. Mentored by the greatest defensive mind in football. Mentored by the greatest college football coach of the modern era. Mentored by the greatest offensive coordinator in college football history.
Lane Kiffin is young, energetic, and charismatic. With only 90 days on the job and coming off a losing season, Kiff pulled a top 15 recruiting class at Tenn last season and had a top 10 class going this season. PC recommended Kiff for the job. A lead scout at Rivals says, “Kiffin is the best evaluator of talent that he has ever seen. This is a homerun hire for USC.” Coaches like Ed O and Norm are very willing to work under Kiff.
In 2008, Tenn finished with a losing record and 3-5 in conference. They lost badly to Florida (30-6), UGA (26-14) and Bama (29-9). There were no signature victories in 2008. Tenn was a program on the decline.
In 2009, Kiff came in with fire in his belly. He has acknowledged that he “acted” a bit to bring confidence and swagger back to Vol Nation. He called out the big boys in conference, Saban and Meyer. The Vols in 2009 improved trememdously throughout the season, losing a much closer than the score game to Florida by virtually shutting down Tebow (23-13). They should have beaten natl champ Bama if not for a missed penalty on a blocked FG (12-10). And, the Vols spanked rival UGA (45-19) for their signature win. They finished 2nd in their division with a 5-3 record in a very strong SEC.
Lane Kiffin is a young star in coaching. This is USC’s Jim Harbaugh hire, except Lane is a Trojan and he has much better football smarts than Harbaugh. Lane will be at USC for at least 5 years and win 2 natl championships. The naysayers will be proven wrong.
USC lucked out and captured lighting in a bottle for the 2nd time.
by DFWTrojan on Jan 13, 2010 2:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
umm
i think if lane has succes quickly.. he will be back in the nfl. very soon
by matthewmafa on Jan 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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