An Alternative Take on the Press Going Nuts
Minor editorial note: this is actually a joint post from me and Paragon.
People just kill me...
I love all the concern trolls out in the media (and elsewhere) who have now decided that it is time to turn on Pete Carroll after Saturday's loss in Seattle.
For the past 6-7 years the press has suckled at the USC teat for every little drop of wisdom that Pete Carroll had for them. They would shower him with praise and practically fall over waiting for the next word he would utter. They would marvel at the talent he amassed, talked about dynasties and the greatest team ever, and when USC lost a game here or there it was like the sky was falling or the earth had moved off its axis. Something had gone wrong in the natural order of things.
But now the tone has changed. The press has decided that the trend of SC dropping a game against an unranked conference opponent - which any basically sentient college football fan has noticed for some time - is proof that they were wrong: Pete Carroll isn't a genius, he's a fraud. He's underachieving. He's not perfect.
There are several ways that this shows up. The first is the tack taken by the local press, which makes a sharp shift from glowing admiration to personal criticism based on rumors and bias. The most typical criticisms are that he is a control freak or a stubborn SOB who can't recognize when he's wrong. In that case, I say big deal: he's a college football head coach - being stubborn or a control freak comes with the territory. Maybe success has made it worse, but that doesn't mean any other coach is different, and it doesn't mean that Carroll is generally doing it wrong. I could care less how Urban Meyer does it. I could care less how that clown in South Bend does it. Their way works for them...good for them!
Another way that this shows up is people arguing that Carroll hasn't been able to win a national championship without Norm Chow, and that Carroll's insistence on bringing along Sarkisian and Kiffin has meant that SC has become both predictable with playcalling and inconsistent on results. It might be that Chow is the missing link on a team that's always there for defense but not quite as hot on offense... but Chow didn't set the NFL on fire at Tennessee, and he's having a hell of a time igniting the offense at UCLA, a team that's recruiting good players and has a stout defense (sound familiar?). Even current members of the USC fan base who have a national voice can't get over the loss of Chow. But at best we'd be talking about Chow making the difference on a handful of games - maybe. These are still college kids we're talking about here.
All of this is like a gift to our rival fan base (among others). Certain little Gutties hate Pete Carroll with a passion, so much that they write about him incessantly, looking for anything that will mock or chide his style at the same time that their coach does everything to emulate him.
So for all of this, why would any kid want to play for Pete Carroll at USC? Are they all deluded too?
No. Here are the things that are still true about Pete Carroll and the teams he fields at USC:
- Pete Carroll still puts a great product on the field, in terms of talent
- USC still plays in big games, and wins out of conference. People may say that SC only wins because OOC teams don't know their tendencies, last time I checked they have film rooms in Columbus, Charlottesville, Blacksburg, etc.
- USC is in the mix every year. Do the preseason rankings match the quality of the teams every year? Probably they are over-optimistic, but not by a big difference
- SC still gets good recruits, despite being loaded at some positions
- SC has been dominating the conference
- SC puts players in the NFL
These are all things that players care about, and results that fans should care about. They aren't small, and I'm going to focus on two: conference play and players getting drafted.
For all the talk about individual teams beating SC, only two have consistently been in the mix as challengers, Oregon and Cal. Oregon State may have SC's number but they fell apart last year, and once isn't enough. If Pete Carroll sucks so much, how come SC has won or split the conference championship seven years in a row? Cal was supposed to be on the rise after they beat SC in 2003, and even with a fantastic coach like Tedford this is the first year they can really start to think about Pasadena in January. Oregon's run for the Roses turned out to be dependent on Dennis Dixon's ACL, which was good luck in recruiting that turned to bad luck with an injury. If Pete Carroll sucks, how come people have complained that SC was making the rest of the conference look bad for seven years? Hint: it's not because the other teams had no talent and no coaches.
As for players getting drafted: any kids looking to play at a big-time program have a dream about playing in the NFL - that's the gold standard. And players know that playing in a high-visibility, high-winning percentage team gives them a good chance to get there. So far, when players don't go to SC, it's not because they think that playing there will prevent them from making it to the next level or because they think that Carroll is some kind of delusional control freak.
The loss to UW certainly pissed me off and disappointed me in many ways. I have some questions and concerns, and while my voice means nothing in Heritage Hall, I'm not going to turn on a dime and against the coach. I will take it over what I have seen the last few years in the rest of the conference...always the bridesmaid and never the bride. Is it frustrating to see us not go to national championship games? Sure, but flawed or not, we have the system we have and everyone knows you need to be just about goddamn perfect to get there. Do I care about rivals getting all excited? No, win something then you can gloat.
What I do care about is when members of the traditional media like the insufferable Matt Hayes make comments about Pete Carroll criticizing the play Aaron Corp like he did this week. I find it comical that the press wants the truth but when the truth is put forth the person telling the truth is roudly criticized for what they say. I mean did Hayes watch the same game we did? Corp was terrible and Pete Carroll did nothing more than confirm what we all saw...with facts.
Pete Carroll could be his own worst enemy but so far he hasn't self destructed. Maybe he will at some point...who knows, but until that day I will continue to support him and his accomplishments. I'm not turning on a dime because of one game this season or the other seasons. Those who see it different are more than welcome to walk the path that they choose.
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by BixBeiderbecke on Sep 23, 2009 8:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very well said DC.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there.
And Pete hasn’t gotten USC to the BSC game every year (though IMO they were as deserving as teams that were in there the past two years). But what coach has?
Yeah LSU and Florida also have two championships this decade. They both also have 4 loss seasons mixed in there. Why isn’t there a proportional amount of scorn directed at Miles and Meyer?
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by oc phil on Sep 23, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Part of the perception is Pete's own doing.
First, he went a little crazy when Mark Sanchez left during the press conference…something he’s never done before.
Now, with Barkley out, Corp stunk it up on the field for the most part. This sheds light on why Pete was so mad when Sanchez left but Pete made it worse by throwing Corp under the bus…something he’s never done before.
Now there’s rumors that Corp wasn’t told he would start until right before the game. If true, this was a really stupid oversight. I know Paragon already said that Corp should be ready at all times, but that’s a two-way street. Pete’s job is to cultivate readiness, and not being clear/concise is hardly conducive to readiness. Again, this is something not really seen before with Pete Carrol.
Finally, since I’ve watched USC football (I think my wife started USC in 2005), this is the first time I can say I watched a USC football team that looked inept. That might be harsh, I have no idea since my baby blue glasses might be coloring the situation differently, but this loss feels and looked different to me. Most of that is probably wrapped up in Corp’s inability to lead. But again, this is a first in the Pete Carrol era.
There’s no reason to turn on Pete Carrol in terms of success, but there was a lot of firsts that occurred during this loss and one first that might shed light on what Pete Carrol thinks about this team without a seasoned qb. If Pete didn’t act the way when Sanchez left and if he didn’t throw Corp under the bus, I don’t think you’d be seeing the same headlines. At a bear minimum, the headlines wouldn’t gain as much traction as they have been.
by BruinFan1 on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I take your point generally, but a lot of the negative press (Hayes notwithstanding) has been more focused on the program and the results.
I will say in Pete Carroll’s defense that he said right after the game that the primary responsibility was his, and he reiterated that on the Petros and Money show. He also explained his thinking behind not telling Corp that he was going to start, which – whether you believe it or not – was coherent. And considering that Corp was 1) able to throw and 2) getting all the reps in practice, I’ll ask the counter question: why wouldn’t he have thought he was going to start?
Overall, the team laid an egg. That falls at Carroll’s doorstep. It happens repeatedly. That falls at Carroll’s doorstep. My only beef with writers is the speed with which they turn on the dime and take on the mantle of people who have been duped as opposed to people who made simplifying assumptions.
by DC Trojan on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice take BF1, but like DC says there were good reasons for PC to withhold the QB announcement, but the media has chosen to go on the attack.
There’s a Spanish saying that says “al buen entendedor pocas palabras” which means: He who is good at understanding needs but a few words. Since Corp took all the first team snaps and saw a winged Barkley on the sidelines, did he need an engraved invitation? Even His HIgness CRN played around with his QB decision last week, perfectly understandable.
Secondly, you said":
this is the first time I can say I watched a USC football team that looked ineptYou must have missed 13-9, Stanford and a few other John David Booty near misses. Unfortunately, we were inept just one time on defense (at Oregon State last year) but even there it was the turnovers that killed us.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Sep 23, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
College football is probably the only sport where a head coach can have a recent national title, a string of conference championships, a constant flow of talent to the nfl, and then have one loss per season make people question his ability.
It seems ridiculous that coaches are expected to win national championships every year. Should an elite program expect their team to be competitive for a championship? Absolutely! But football is a zero sum game, and only one team gets to win the national title every year. That shouldn’t mean every other coach in the country should be criticized.
There probably were some coaching mistakes made at Washington, but when the best people in the backfield are turning the ball over, and the most veteran qb is a complete mess all day, even a perfect coaching job might not cut it.
by BruinDrums on Sep 24, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe we should focus on the true facts...
Maybe the PAC-10 isn’t so bad after all, and maybe the true strength of the conference is the overall balance between the teams. When is the last time you’ve seen Vandy or Baylor beat one of the big dogs in the SEC or Big-12?
As far as Carroll, the thing that impresses me most is the losses are always very close losses when injuries have affected their team. All of their losses have been by 7 points or less, with the majority within 3 points or less. You have to bring your A-game and SC has to have some continuity problems with injuries for opponents to have a chance. Only Vince Young has beaten SC at full strength and he had to come from 18 down in the 4th to do it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t that show strength rather than weakness and isn’t the PAC a little tougher than given credit for if all of these elite teams can’t beat SC, but the so called average programs in the PAC are beating SC?
You can say what you will, but losing the number of players SC lost to the NFL draft is going to affect any program and it will take time for this team to gel, and that’s given that they are healthy to develop continuity. I predicted a 11-2 or 10-3 season for this team based on what they lost to graduation and the NFL, and what the rest of the PAC has coming back.
I am not surprised by the loss, the surprising thing for me is how bad UW has been with decent talent. With Locker at QB, anything can happen on any given day. But Remember, Locker was lost the majority of the season last year as well.
The bottom line is every team is predictable to a point, but you still have to stop what you know may be coming. The great teams don’t care if you know what they are going to do, because their mentality is to control the line of scrimmage and pound it down your throat regardless.
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by bcsbusters on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Underachieved?
PC is probably the best recruiter in college football. PC is also probably the best defensive coordinator in college football. Yet, PC is not the best game management coach, and he lacks a good understanding of special teams and offense.
We finally hired an experienced special teams coach. I am concerned that PC refuses to hire an experienced offensive coordinator since Chow. And, I don’t understand his shared responsibilities with young co-coaches/coordinators – Morton and Bates. Kiffin and Sark, due to their history in the program, made some sense. Morton and Bates and how they interact with PC on offensive game plans do not make sense to me.
Of course PC has an ego. He is a great coach and our best coach of all-time, but a refusal to acknowledge and address his weaknesses has led to underachievement. If Chow had stayed, we would have one two more crystal balls.
Still, I’ll take a slightly underachieving PC any day. That is top 3 recruiting classes, 10 win seasons, top 5 rankings, and hopefully 1 national championship every 5 years or so. It also includes frequent games where poor game management and offensive game planning cost us a loss to a vastly inferior opponent. Barkley will lead us to another national championship….in 2012.
by DFWTrojan on Sep 24, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs











