USC is once again the Pac-10 favorite but is U¢LA closing the Gap?
Even in the face of losing a whole starting defense their starting QB and a top receiver USC continues to be picked as the favorite to win the Pac-10 in 2009.
One of the big themes at Pac-10 media day was USC's apparent vulnerability after a seven-year run atop the conference.
The Trojans are rebuilding one of the best defenses in college football history. Their quarterback, whoever it ends up being, has never seen significant game action.
Well, as USC's official preseason release notes, reports of the Trojan demise ... well, where are these reports?
Almost everyone predicts USC will win its eighth consecutive Pac-10 title -- see a decisive margin in the Pac-10 media poll -- and be in the national title hunt. Or at least finish in the top four of the AP poll for an eighth consecutive time.
It is pretty simple to me that until USC is dethroned as the conference champs they will always be picked as the favorites to win.
How many times have we read that this may be "X" team's year to push SC off of the top of the hill...yet it has not yet happened. SC continues to fill key positions with top talent that seems to just fit perfectly. Pete Carroll has indicated that USC will be his last job. Maybe, maybe not...I tend not care about that until it actually happens and when it does I will worry about it then.
Of course, the chatter is ratcheting up about how the gap is closing between USC and ucla. Rick Reilly is the latest to try and decipher where things are between the two programs...and he comes to many of the same conclusions that we have read and discussed here in the past.
Let me say this first, sure LA is big enough for the two programs but in what capacity? I can't remember when both USC and ucla were both vying for a national title at the same time. It has always been one or the other. For the most part USC and ucla have always gone after the same recruits...you win some and lose some but it is what you do with your recruits not just that you get them. I think its difficult for the two programs to compete for the MNC at the same time but it would be great to watch.
Here are some other interesting observations from the article.
In style, energy, and cool, Neuheisel might as well be Carroll's knockoff little brother. And like any annoying little brother, Neuheisel has tried everything to get Carroll to notice him.
"It's like we're fishing," Neuheisel says. "We can feel them messing with the lure. We're trying to get them to bite."
Yeah, notice that right out the blocks Reilly makes the case that once again Slick Rick is more concerned about what USC/PC is doing than worrying about his own program. That has always been the difference, Pete Carroll doesn't try to emmulate anyone but himself.
UCLA hasn't sniffed a Pac-10 title in a decade.
Not far away? It's a round-trip ticket to Mars.
"Not really," Neuheisel insists. "Since my freshman year [at UCLA in '79], the rivalry is 15-14-1 [USC]. This is do-able."
And just for the record: QB Neuheisel and a severely underdog 1983 Bruins team whipped USC his senior year and went on to win the Rose Bowl. "I've seen it happen here before!"
Slick Rick has to go a long way back to try and make the programs look equal. But once again as I have said a million time before...in USC's down years in the 80's and 90's ucla still couldn't get a #1 ranking at the end of the season. It has just never been there. Now, no one will question Slick Rick's accomplisments at UW and Colorado (especially the 57 NCAA violations) but remember a lot of that "success" came with players that he didn't recruit. Once those players were weeded out/moved on the numbers showed a very different result when it it was just his recruits on the field.
This passage is rich and once again shows how desperate Slick Rick is to be noticed...
I drove across town to see if big brother was hearing a faint noise from Westwood. Carroll wouldn't even sniff.
"He knows you boogie-boarded the Hermosa Beach pier," I said. "But he says he'll whip you at golf."
"I believe it!" Carroll said. "I don't play."
Hmmm....again Pete just doesn't care.
Pete was more concerned about what DeWayne Walker was up to than he was the rest of the ucla coaching staff for the obvious reasons...Walker knew how Pete Carroll operated and he exploited it in a win that will always define ucla's 2006 season. Once again it was all about USC. Sure, that 13-9 win kept SC out of a third possible BCS Tiltle Game but that was the only thing ucla could point to...they did nothing after that, including wetting the bed against FSU in the Emerald Bowl.
Finally, there is this...
Last year, the two bumped into each other at Inglewood High School, recruiting the same player. The story goes that Carroll said to Neuheisel, "The UCLA coach is out recruiting an L.A. kid? Crazy."
To which Neuheisel said, "Won't be the last," and walked away.
Well, knowledgeable CFB fans will give Slick Rick his props in improving the recruiting at ucla but really thats not saying much. Neuheisel has a lot more of pulse than his predecessor so to use the fishing analogy form Reilly's piece he could dry hook them, it really didn't take much. I don't expect Neuheisel to back down, that is good for the rivalry but he is nuts if he thinks that he will take PC off his game with all the little stunts he pulls. Oh sure PC will notice but it won't be a distraction either.
You can try to parse it anyway you want but until ucla actually wins something this is all a bunch of what if's...
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Of course UCLA is closing the gap
if only because because the law of averages will ultimately come into play: UCLA cannot remain so low forever nor can USC remain so high forever. If you prefer more substantive reasons, here’s why UCLA is closing the gap, regardless of last year’s record: 1) RN is a better coach than Dorrell; 2) Chow is a better OC than anyone Dorrell ever had; 3) although the recruiting results still show USC as getting higher ranked recruits than UCLA, UCLA recruiting is improving in and the coaching staff UCLA has is substantially better than the revolving door mediocrities we had under Dorrell (one caveat: Walker was a first-rate DC and it remains to be seen if the new DC can keep the defense at the same level or improve it)-so one would expect quality coaching of talented kids to close the gap.
I think a better question is whether UCLA’s almost-guaranteed improvement will result in wins over USC. I am fairly confident we have seen the last of the blowouts a la 66-19, 47-22, etc that were regular features of this rivalry in Toledo’s last years and under Dorrell (other than the two games against USC at the Rose Bowl under Dorrell.) I see the likely result of UCLA’s gap-closing to be much closer wins for USC and more frequent wins for UCLA, but I don’t see a point where the game is a tossup each year or UCLA assuming the upper hand in the rivalry until Carroll goes or something else happens.
While I agree
that USC can’t stay on top forever, and that ucla can’t stay low forever…. i still can hope for it to stay that way forever…..
A few things are certain.
Chow will not be there more than 2-3 more seasons. Will the be enough to turn the program around?
ucla will get better players. Can Neuheisel avoid his 3-4 season slump that hampered him at Washington and Colorado.
Just because ucla improves does not mean that they will win the conference. If and when USC streak of conference titles ends, it would seem that Oregon, Cal, or Oregon State would have a better shot at a Pac-10 title than the bruins.
Anytime you talk about the future, nothing is certain
but regrding your points:
a) re Chow-I agree he won’t be at UCLA for many more years. As for it being enough time to turn the program around-to what standard? UCLA’s historical status as 2nd or 3rd best in Pac-10? Certainly.
b) re RN-likely to avoid slump in season 3-4 because he has likely learned a few things since his last HC gig.
c) Of course UCLA’s improvement doesn’t equal conference titles. But just because the programs you listed are currently better situated at taking the conference than UCLA is no guarantee that they will be in a better position in a year or two when UCLA likely will be getting back into form. Each of these programs you named has had shots at taking the conference (often after knocking off USC-and each time, they choke it away) and UCLA will be no less likely than any of them to win in a year or two.
When that happens. . . . .
. . . . we will ALL BE ice-skating in Hell!
Naw, not really. But it WOULD BE a bitch if, say we get by Oregon or Cal (or . . .yeck . . .OSU or Stanford)- hell- if we get beat by them all and then. . . . .when we play Ucla at the end of the year- it won’t matter whether we win or lose. . . .that they had already taken care of the business that would crown them PAC 10 champs? That would suck the royal Bruin-balls!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey!!!!!
I thought you were “joking”?
There’s been an anomaly in our Trojan/Bruin continuum.
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Ucla has a loooooooooooong way to go in football!
It’s apparent now that the firing of Toledo is the Bruins downfall. This downfall was made certain with Dorrell’s hiring, but even still- where they’ve gone totally wrong is the hiring of Coach Neuheisel.
Okay, so he already had DeWayne Walker on his staff. What did Slick Rick do? He goes and tries to replace his entire staff with ex-coaches from Coach Carroll’s staff. And his blatant charlatan-like promises he made to recruits regarding Coach Ken Norton? This guy’s stripes are firmly still intact.
The fact that he tries, so overtly and blatantly, to mimic the successful model of Coach Carroll’s re-building of Troy is one of epic blunderous proportions. Firstly- there isn’t any program in the country that can mimic or copy this blueprint. It’s part and parcel of Heritage Hall, and no other campus. Doesn’t matter that Ucla and USC occupy the same city (90095-Westwood and 90089-Exposition Park are YES- in LOS ANGELES), Coach Neu, Coach Mack Brown, Coach DeWayne Walker, Coach Mark Richt, Coach Toomey (SJSU)- cannot copy our success. It can’t, and they won’t be able to. Yes, it’s a Trojan thang!
Secondly, we’re talking about a way different mindset between Bruin football fans and Trojan football fans. This carries over to our recruits, because just as much as they are athletes- they are students. Our respective student bodies couldn’t be more diametrically opposed. Our students are conditioned to learn AND be conscious of the world around us and what we- as students, have to potential to become once we obtain our degrees- as it applies to the benefit of our proud society and what we can “give back”. Westwood is all about getting published and raping society of all it’s largess, in order to “profit”. Our measures of success and definitions of prosperity couldn’t be more different than black and white. What does this mean in football? It means, we think locally more than nationally- and if we take care of local (Pac 10), we’ll answer it nationally (BCS) when we get there. Not so in Westwood. They think ONLY to beat USC and hardly give the Cal’s, Furd’s, Ducks, and so on the time of day. (THAT’S why they couldn’t win the hearts and minds of pundits and fans when they were on top of us in the ‘80s! Their only concern was to destroy us, and not take care of business in the PAC 10 or schedule a season where their accomplishments would be noticed) I mean- those Donahue years were scary good for them, even still- they had a high ranking of 5th. In 1982. They haven’t been to the Rose Bowl to play in The Rose Bowl since 1993!!!! Folks, that’s 15 years aight! (my mom’s cat has died of old age, and we got her in 1993!). To top that off, UCLA is one of only five of the 119 Football Bowl Subdivision teams to have never played a Football Championship Subdivision team since the division was made in 1978. And BCS? Haven’t come close to sniffing that crystal!
Lastly, Coach Neu HAS TO DO WELL with his two recruiting classes- because coaching attrition is a bitch! Bye bye DeWayne (many of us predicted the Holy Triumvirate of Coaching Ninjas wouldn’t last, thank you very much!). No telling how many assistants, especially Coach Chow when he stops getting paid “Titan money”, will fly the coop! It appears there is “tranquility” in the coaching relationships between these two “offensive-minded” coaches. Coach Chow has a GREAT poker face. (see: “I’ve got no problems with Coach Carroll” circa 2004/2005). It ain’t gonna be this way forever and then. . . . .Coach Neu is back at square one.
Maybe, when he gets there. . . . he’ll figure out a plan of his own!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
[edit]
Meant to write, “. . .to have never played in a Football National Championship game since the division was made in 1978” (their 1954 #1 ranking doesn’t count. . .in the way I formulated my sentence)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Basketball and football opposite roles?
Even though this is a discussion about football, when you said that we don’t care about Pac 10 I immediately thought about how Coach Howland’s goal every year is to win the Pac 10, and how many times I have heard Floyd talk about closing the gap or the differences between our program.
And of course I have heard Carroll talk about winning the Pac 10 many times, but haven’t heard it from Coach Neuheisel as much as he talks about usc.
Not that I agree with you about how in Westwood we are instructed to be the rapers of the profits of society (I just graduated with a Business-Economics degree and even I’m pretty sure that was never one of the lessons I learned) or that how all our football program cares about is beating sc, but I guess when a program is down and doesn’t have much chance of winning a conference championship it can hope for competing with its rival and winning as an underdog, regardless of the sport.
However, I will admit that I think Neuheisel might be talking about usc just a bit more than he needs to, but I wouldn’t complain about it at all since I still have high hopes that he can turn our program around into a team that will compete for Pac 10 titles.
Interesting
Do you think Neuheisel’s primary focus is USC, and if it is, is that the right course to take over focusing on winning the conference?
I seriously doubt his primary focus is just about beating sc
I think all of the talk about sc is just talk, which isn’t all that bad since Dorrell rarely showed any emotion and hardly seemed invested in his team. Even though talking about closing the gap doesn’t do anything to close the gap itself, it is nice to have a coach who seems like he actually wants to be here and also win.
But anyways, for right now winning the conference seems just about out of reach this year, but even then, just focusing on beating one team seems ridiculous, rival or not. I think a lot of us at Bruinsnation are hoping for a bowl game and victory this year, as is Neuheisel according to one of his latest talks.
Bix, you are so CRAAAZY
you write:
Our students are conditioned to learn AND be conscious of the world around us and what we- as students, have to potential to become once we obtain our degrees- as it applies to the benefit of our proud society and what we can "give back". Westwood is all about getting published and raping society of all it’s largess, in order to "profit."
You have my vote for “most inspired lunacy!”
BTW, we last played in a Rose Bowl on 1/1/99, against Wisconsin, not ’93.
Thank you, thank you ucladj!
You’re about the ONLY Bruin I know of (and I got scads of friends and co-workers to count as Bruins) who knows when I’m blowing smoke and fomenting! I JUST CAN’T get you to bite! Damn! (this is what’s “not working” in our relationship! we should go to counseling together. . . . .“Q’s” on Wilshire? I hear they’ve got great medicinals and interventions to help us through this!)
And . . . .coming from you. . . .I wear my lunacy quite proudly!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You see?
I like you Bruin-CC usuals, but. . . . I can’t get anything past you guys anymore! When you take the fomenting; hate-baiting out of a Trojan. . . . . .I feel like saying something under my breath like Yosemite Sam or something! Damn you Bru-CC people. Why can’t you guys hate with me?
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So says the fan of the program with a worse NCAA APR ranking. LOL
by ev on Aug 6, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
bruins and usc
Until Rick cares more about what UCLA is going to do than what USC had done, he will be a failure. His obsession with USC is typical bruin, guess you can’t really blame him for that since he is a bruin. However it’s not doing his program any good. The objective is to win the Rose Bowl, not beat USC.
The last time UCLA won a Rose Bowl…1986.
Oh please
I doubt he was in minicamp, fall practice and on the sidelines through 11 games, not to mention the summer, obsessing mindlessly about what USC had done in the last seven years rather than what UCLA was going to do. Of course he will be paying a great deal of attention to the big dog in the conference, and when interviewed it’s kinda hard to see an interview without discussion about the conference and USC, UCLA’s rival, which also happens to be the dominant program in the conference. Is he supposed to be talking about winning recruiting battles against Wazzu, the brilliant coaching staff at Stanford, or the dominance of Cal Bears football?
Washington is gonna come up on your Bruin asses sooner than you think!
I’m not being crazy with that statement ucladj. You all over at fUcla “think” you guys are just around the corner. . . .guess what? So is everyone else. Take a back seat buddy. Chip Kelly, Steve Sarkisian, Jeff Tedford, and Harbaugh (as long as he’ll last on The Farm) are coming up to try to take over the PAC 10. I’m most worried about Chip Kelly and his spread and Sark & Nicky with their acumen and knowledge of the PAC 10. The Huskies will get their recruits, maybe not the ones we Trojans and you Bruins will get. . . .but they’ll get theirs. Sark has already done his homework, he’s got his plans and he’s got solid commitments for 2010 already (Nick Montana, just to name one). Chip Kelly HAS GOT NUMBERS on offense. His offense left you guys shredded last year, to the point of almost losing to Stanford at home!!!!
You guys should be worrying about those m-fers AND TALKING ABOUT THOSE M-FERS. (you don’t seriously believe Coach Neu has this “propoganda” machine at work to make people “believe” he’s hugging Coach Carroll’s nuts? do you? Because if that’s the case, your guys’ fall is gonna be even more worthwhile)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda hard?
It’s not really hard to keep an interviewer on message, Pete does it all the time. Reilly couldn’t get Pete to bite in this interview. So what if Reilly asked Rick about USC, you give a quick even answer and steer the message back to being about UCLA. Rick can’t do that, he loves talking about USC and how he is going to close the gap. How the programs really are not that far apart. Like I said, it’s not really Rick’s fault. It’s just a bruin thing.
by ev on Aug 6, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know what was left out of the article?
Can you conceive that perhaps Reilly quoted RN on the “juicy” stuff and left the less interesting discussion about UCLA’s future on the floor? Personally, I don’t see a few quotes here and there to be reflective of an obsession, but maybe that’s a Southern California thing:-)
Must be nice to have special insight into how we Bruins think…
It's not that hard.
You know, family and friends type thing. I’m sure it’s the same with you.
The one thing we do know, he didn’t leave any nice little UCLA tidbits on the ground from Pete. Those would have been in the article for sure. Amazing how Pete can ignore questions about UCLA, but Rick can’t when it comes to USC.
There is probably a reason Reilly uses the term “little brother”, even he can see the dynamic at work.
by ev on Aug 6, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that says something about Carroll
that he doesn’t talk much about UCLA (he doesn’t ignore UCLA-just doesnt have much to say-and why would he?). But I’m not sure that because RN talks about USC, it means that he is obsessed or that Bruins are obsessed with USC.
You have to remember that RN played against USC!
Pete never played against Ucla, the fact that he just gets the kids to concentrate on the Rose Bowl is what the AD wants. You know Pete is going for the big prize thats why he is for a playoff system. It’s the way of the NFL and any pro sport they are all trying to set up their momentum for the playoffs.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 6, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of have to agree with ucladj
I think the Neuheisel USC comments are just gamesmanship. He knows it riles up fans on both sides and that is exactly what he wants, to put some meaning and energy back into the fans.
I doubt he and his staff spend nearly as much time focusing on USC as some of us USC fans like to think.
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Yeah, right. . . .
. . . and it shows in losses to: BYU (59-0), Arizona (Arizona?), Fresno State (gimme a break!), and CAL, AZ State, and OR State (all of ‘em demolishing the Bruins). But, yeah bluemax. . . .he isn’t occupied with us. No, not at all.
If he couldn’t score points on a Mtn West team, not win against a WAC team, and get destroyed by a 1/3rd of the PAC 10, yet put up a decent showing against us. . . .he’s OCCUPIED WITH US. (don’t kid yourself buddy)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
While not quite quite competing for the NC
There were a few years in the 80s when UCLA and USC both finished in the top 15 in the AP poll, including the 1988 season when UCLA finished 6th and USC 7th in the AP Poll.
I think it would be great if the UCLA/USC game could become something like the Miami-Florida St game used to be, where it was a de facto playoff game to contend for the national championship. (Of course, college football would be better if there was an actual playoff system, but that’s another topic). However, the Bruins still have a long, long way to go before this becomes a relevant conversation.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 6, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
It all seems well and good when both teams are evenly matched
but the pain suffered from long 8 and 9 year losing streaks on both sides have made the rivalry bitter. I have to say I prefer the 66-17 blowouts with our 3rd string scoring 28 points.
The whole thing is that Pete Carroll can't be matched
For some reason Pete just gets more out of his teams, it really doesn’t matter who his players or coaches are. Look at some of the players and coaches in the pac-10 there are no chumps, but they seem to be just good not great. You got understand that the fact that USC players go all-out in practice just makes them get better and just better than all the rest. If you have notice every year PC has been at USC more players get drafted every year, there is a reason for that. The more this happens the easier it is to bring in new players, I mean how many third string QBs (in college) start in the NFL. Hell PC could even get Nestor and Tydides drafted.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
Here-here but do you guys see my point about PC or not
Paully have a great day and of course that always go for you BIX
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 6, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
now, I'm no Pablo, but here goes (an emoticon wink):
~.o (how’d I do, Pablo?)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not a wink?
That’s some dude taking a bigass dump! (you know? shit face)
My wink is a real wink. only one eye winks. not two eyes squeezing out a killer pinched-loaf!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, how 'bout this-
~.<
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And. . . .
. . . . here’s my stoner-baked outta my mind guy:
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah frick! how 'bout: ~.~
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I give.
I hate this stuff. Now.
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And your point is well understood regarding BigBallsPete
I agree wholeheartedly- he’s got a factory going on for the NFL, and credit is due where it is due. Pete Carroll’s expertise in training these young men physically, and mentoring them on the techniques and mechanics necessary to take it to the next level. (it surely isn’t a coincidence that these past drafts have had a high number of Trojans)
But with that said, there was a good representation by the PAC 10 this past year. A good number of players made it off campus and in a ridiculously high tax bracket! (taking nothing away from what you wrote, by the way. just saying)
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 6, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I just thought it was to much about fearless leader so I deleted it, thanks for the comment though
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 6, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey amigo how about that amigo Andre Either hits a ninth inning bomb tonight to win game 5-4
And right now on Prime Ticket and it’s about the Bison (Matt Kemp) dude is fantastic.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Kemp is one of my favorite Dodgers to come along in a long, long time
I just love how much joy he gets in his teammates’ accomplishments.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't that over the shoulder catch great, we haven't had a great CF since maybe 3--Dog
We are going Tomorrow Kershaw hope he doesn’t have control issues
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 7, 2009 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions
That catch was amazing
Have a good time at the game. I’ve only been able to make it to one so far this year. Hope you see Kershaw at his best.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Position evaluation- Scottish-style:
Ben Down & Phillip McCracken! (how’s that?)
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Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
The gap is closing.....
but, it’s Stanford who is closing it and who concerns me more. Harbaugh may have something really going on at the Farm. I could see Stanford being the break through team that wins a conference championship w/in the next 5 years post-Barkley. I’m taking a wait and see approach with Oregon and new Coach Kelly. He will have to prove himself. Tedford has proved himself incapable of getting over the hump. Sark may do it, but it will take at least 5 years. Riley is the 2nd best coach in the conference, but his recruiting challenge in Corvallis is monumental. Erickson is old and Stoops mediocre….count out the Zonas.
USC with PC is simply too strong in the LA area. UCLA will not win a conference championship or close the recruiting gap against SC while PC is in charge. Stanford, however, is a team that could surprise one of these years.
Can Stanford close the gap
given their admissions standards?
by insomniacslounge on Aug 6, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know insom but they are getting the players and are tough to play
Paul D. Kelley
BN is a myopic site
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Best path to becoming an up an coming team: start out by winning 1/3 of your games
Jim Harbaugh in his first year at Stanford: 4-8
Rick Neuheisel in his first year at UCLA: 4-8
We can build on this!!!
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If you guys stay healthy you will be competitive, But your O-line is very important.
Paul D. Kelley
BN is a myopic site
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 7, 2009 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Hate to say it
But Stanford had more going on offensively than ucla. Can’t believe that the bruins pulled out the W against them last year. They never seem to fold like that for us.

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