The Pac-10 better bring its "A" game
Over the past few seasons the same story line is always written when training camp starts...Will this be the year that USC is dethroned from atop the Pac-10?
And in the past few years the answer has pretty much been the same...a resounding NO!
But is THIS the year?
[U]SC's dominance, which has inspired dismissive references to the conference as the "Pac-1" and the "Lack-Nine" among fans from other regions.
"I think it's a horrible thing!" said Rick Neuheisel, clearly amused that the UCLA coach -- and a former Bruins quarterback -- is being asked about whether the Trojans' run of super-wonderfulness hurts the Pac-10's overall perception.
"But give credit where credit is due. They've gotten it done. Somebody has to get strong enough to knock them off the perch."
There is a defensiveness among the other nine programs. They sometimes seem to suggest they'd be open to the other BCS leagues' borrowing the Trojans for a season -- or two -- and, you know, seeing what happens.
I see where Miller is going and he does a solid write up but really...
What's the big debate about already?
The rest of the Pac-10 have had their chances year in and year out and they have not finished the job. Doc Saturday has written some pretty solid articles on this subject of late...
Here is one.
But presumably the Trojans have learned the same lesson, and the fact remains that even the occasional stumble when wading through the rabble hasn't been enough to force SC to cede the crown -- far from it, actually: Its current run of dominance (at least a share of seven straight conference championships, all by team that finished in the top five of the polls and, except for the dominant '05 team that lost to Texas in the final seconds, cruised to lopsided BCS wins) is unmatched over the same period and reminiscent of Florida State's iron grip on the ACC in the nineties. Just like FSU then, there's basically no realistic conception of UCS not winning the Pac-10.
Nor, realistically, should there be:
Those gaps correspond directly with the Trojans' utter domination of West Coast (and, to some extent, national) recruiting, which continues essentially unchecked despite UCLA's best efforts last year. It also corresponds with the proliferation of the "Pac-1" stereotype, despite the fact that USC has lost seven Pac-10 games since its last regular season loss outside of the conference, to Kansas State in 2002.
I don't know if it is appropriate to call the rest of the Pac-10 the nine dwarfs but some of comments that I have read here and there the past couple of years have made me chuckle. Most of course, claim USC cheats.
Yeah, well...you got any proof?
Other comments have had of tinge of something similar I heard last fall, something about spreading the wealth around or some such nonsense. Others claim that USC has an unfair advantage by recruiting the talent laden southern California football scene. Well, ucla is not too far away and they had difficulty consistently recruiting top talent until Slick Rick showed up (as Doc notes above)...and there is still no guarantee that even with Slick Rick's better recruiting classes than his predecessor that it will turn into major success. Though, I am actually more inclined to give Neuheisel a pass but not after this season.
I still have no idea how or why USC's success affects the other nine schools so negatively. It is not USC's fault if the other schools can't keep up with USC. Every other coach in the Pac-10 has the same chance and regardless of resources things pretty much balance out. USC can't sign 'em all...It is what you do with your talent regardless what the talent is. Prime example is Oregon St. Stanford is going to be a sleeper too by the way.
Winning breeds success...the more you win the more players want to play for you, that is part of the reason why USC has been able to stockpile so much talent. That can have some backlash of course, because some top talent might not want to wait on the bench...that is fine, but SC will still get more than their fair share.
Regardless of the talent SC always finds a way to get the most out of their players. Pete Carroll has been pretty progressive of making the necessary changes to the offense that he feels will benefit the program and the talent it has.
Pete Carroll, Steve Sarkian, and yes, even Lane Kiffin, had been moving the offense from its BYU roots during Chow's tenure, and by the time offensive line coach Pat Ruel was hired in February 2005, much of this transition was complete.
This is particularly relevant this season because, for the first time in Carroll's tenure, he begins an offense without Chow, Kiffin, Sarkisian, and he does not return an experienced starting quarterback. The quarterback situation is still very much undecided, with Aaron Corp both injured and possibly opening up a slight edge on freshman phenom Matt Barkley as the latter struggles against the first-team defense in practice. New offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates (the titles are a bit jumbled -- Bates is officially the quarterbacks coach -- but he will call the plays and design the plans), is tasked with synthesizing the often divergent views of his predecessors into something that an inexperienced signal-caller can handle. And he has to keep his boss happy, something even the legendary Chow could not always do.
People can say what they but SC is constantly evolving.
I would agree in general that some of the crap that the Pac-10 as whole gets in the press is misinformed, but SC has done their part. In fact I would say that if SC's record was closer to the rest of the pack the Pac-10 as a whole would take even more criticism because the overall records would look pretty abysmal.
Cal's Jahvid Best makes a great point in Millers article...
USC, meanwhile, is breaking in a new quarterback and replacing eight starters from one of the best defenses in college football history.
Are the Trojans vulnerable?
"No," Best said.
"I've heard the same thing every year after they lose seven or eight guys to the NFL. Everybody says they're not going to be as good this year. But they come back [every year] and are just as good if not better than the year before. They've proven that no matter how many people leave, they are still going to be one of the best teams in the Pac-10. So we're not counting on them being vulnerable. We're counting on our execution on offense and defense to beat them."
Best pretty much echoes what Doc said above.
I don't know if this is the year or not, but Miller is correct...
If another team in the Pac-10 wants to unseat USC it is going to have to be all hands on deck!
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Wow Best is smarter than the Weasel
I am wondering if Ucla can trade in there team for a better one, kind of like cash for clunkers.
Paul D. Kelley
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by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best just doesn't want to give us bulletin board material
which I guess is pretty smart.
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by bluemax on Aug 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Best is saying pretty much what Tedford says about SC, and what almost every other knowledgeable person says.
All this talk about SC being “down” or “falling” is pretty silly. Yes, you guys lost a ton of talent, but then again you have a stockpile in store. And, yes, there are questions about your QB situation. But I seem to recall the same thing flying around before Booty became your starter.
Everyone in Berkeley has known that beating SC is a matter of playing solid, error-free football for 60 minutes. Not getting jobbed by the refs (cough-2004-cough) helps too, but for the most part, although the Bears have (for the most part) played you very very closely, it hasn’t been enough. Yet.
I’m hopeful that this is the year we get the win, and maybe make this budding rivalry more interesting for the years to come. But if it happens, it will be because Cal was the better team, not because SC was in a down year.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by SoCal Oski on Aug 26, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not getting jobbed by the refs?
We beat you guys fairly in 2004.
You beat us in every offensive category in that game by more than double maybe, but our defense certainly beat your offense in the last 2 minutes of that game.
by PHAT JULIO on Aug 27, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what they are bithcing about
The Cougars shared the Pac-10 title in 2002 and won the tie-breaker.
Cal shared the title and lost the tiebreaker in 2006.
ASU shared the title and lost the tiebreaker in 2007.
3 Programs have shared the Pac-10 title in our 7 year run. Its not like USC won the title outright every season.
by frak on Aug 26, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pac-1 is about as valid as S2C
LSU and Florida have taken turns dominating that conference almost as thoroughly as USC has the Pac-10.
If you examine the tables at this link here (http://thenationalchampionshipissue.blogspot.com/2008/09/conference-vs-conference.html) and reverse out USC’s non-conference record over that time, something like 16-4, it’s remarkable how well the conference as a whole has performed against its inter-conference opponents. It’s only slightly below .500, and if the results for Notre Dame are excluded, it is actually above .500.
Mainly, I think USC’s success has negatively impacted the Pac-10 because people have a problem with conceiving of a team achieving the record USC has against any kind of quality opposition. From 2002-2005 USC won 93.8% of its regular season games; from 2006-2008 it has been lean times, with the Trojans only prevailing 86.1% of the time within those same parameters. If a team can win 90.8% of its games over those 7 years, and do it playing good, tough opponents, who could ever hope to stop them? That’s the issue. And it’s not just that. Including bowl games, USC has played something like 61 BCS conference opponents (including ND) since 2004. That is 8 more than UF and UGA, 10 more than LSU, and 11 more than UT and Auburn. I don’t have figures for Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, or Ohio St, but I suspect the margins are similar. It is just plain filthy what you all have done in that time span.
by Nashville on Aug 26, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course USC is vulnerable
because no matter how much young talent you have, replacing nearly an entire defense and a starting QB makes you vulnerable. But Neuheisel and Best are correct; the real question is not whether USC will be vulnerable, but whether anyone else is in a position o do anything about it when USC does show its vulnerability. We have seen several years in this current USC run where other Pac-10 teams have knocked off USC but then suck it against some other team-Oregon State last year comes to mind. Other teams have tied for the conference, but nobdy has been able to seal the deal and take the conference title with the BCS automatic bid from USC. I do think that while USC has a ton of talent and good coaching, plus the best OL in the Pac-10 by far, which will help mask a tremendous area of vulnerability, they will lose a couple in conference. But I don’t see anyone else as god enough yet to take the title from USC-nobody is good enough to be more consistent in conference play than USC.
I don’t think it’s bad that USC is playing so well, but their dominance is coming at a time when the Pac-10’s traditional next-best teams (UCLA, Washington) have been in extended down cycles and the “new” next best teams (Oregon, OSU and Cal) have not been consistent winners, thus contributing to the impression that the conference as a whole is sucking. I don’t think the conference as a whole is down to WAC levels of suckitude or anything, but when the only teams that are putting up any kind of fight in conference during thiscurrent USC run are teams with virtually no media recognition at all (the Oregons) and a team with virtually no football history other than “the Play”, the perception that there is no Pac-10 gets a lot of play, unfairly IMHO.
by ucladj89 on Aug 26, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Washington State
Took a share of the Pac-10 title and the automatic BCS bid from USC in 2002.
Jason Gesser had a remarkable season there.
by frak on Aug 26, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, sure
but WSU and Washington are both producing results that make UCLA’s pattern of general mediocrity over the past decade and pathetic 4-8 last year look good.
by ucladj89 on Aug 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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