The Modern Day Crying Game--will it ever stop
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
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When will they crying stop , these are just a few rants around the horn going on at other sites. These strange ones just can’t focus on the right stuff, they continue to cry as the little ones they are:
My gut feeling is that we will do better than expected and USC will do worse than expected.
I would be a fool to venture a guess as to what suc will be like. They lost so many players on D and have a freshman (albeit a somewhat tested #2 in Mustain) starting at QB. Those media kiss-asses have them at 4 or 3 in the national polls. That is absurd. I would at least wait for the tOSU game before I ranked them so high. Furthermore, I predict they will lose 3 games.
With the NCAA investigation pending, they aren’t going to sniff a NC or a HT until that is settled. I get the sense that there is a lot of bad blood between usc and everyone else due to the fact that so many have been busted for self-reported violations and usc has skated for years and years.
Besides, Mays has too much against him, the first of all being he is a defensive player.
Had better be locks, or we aren’t going to be better this year. However, I can’t think of any area where we’d possibly be worse off than 2008. Our team is better, and our schedule is easier. We get Cal and Oregon at home.
I really think we’re going to see some surprises this year for UCLA and the PAC-10 in general. My guess is that OSU will have a significant drop off and possibly Oregon too. This will leave teams like UCLA, Stanford, or Arizona to fill in the vacuum.
If Oregon loses Masoli or Blount to injury, they will be in big trouble. The same goes for Cal and Best who is already nursing an injury and had off season surgery on his foot. The only player at UCLA who I think is at the same level of indispensability is Brian Price, but he’s never shown any sort of proclivity for injury. If we lose him though, I think teams like Stanford and Oregon will be able to run up the middle all day against us. Of course we have other great starters I’d hate to lose, but in most positions we have some depth and could replace them.
Well Jill. We can probably say the same thing about Chetey Petey from cross town. Perhaps you guys can start calling on the NCAA to do something about his renegade program right now so that he doesn't continue to pull off on a yearly basis what Calipari did it in both Massachusetts and Memphis.
I guess the lesson for big time coaches here is simple. Nothing wrong with not following the rules. The NCAA will not come after you. They are powerless to punish you.
Just don't fill out any March Madness brackets thought. That's when all hell will break lose.
GO BRUINS.
Jason King of Yahoo! Sports weighs in:
No wonder the illicit money continues to be scattered like birdseed. No wonder 18-year-old kids who couldn’t afford a clunker are suddenly driving new cars. No wonder family members who live in poverty are coming up with the dough to fly across the country for games (For Heisman presentations?) or to relocate to the city where their son plays basketball.
We shouldn’t be stunned that so much cheating goes on in college basketball. (Or Football for that matter) Not after Thursday . . . . . . . the NCAA might as well have used a bullhorn to deliver its message to coaches across the land: Serious and repeated improprieties don’t bring serious repercussions.
Emphasis and Parentheticals are mine. No mention of USC, but who else could he be referring to with that quip about poor kids driving shiny new cars?
Maybe these people will someday understand this is just sports not life or death!
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Meh...
Not surprised at all…
were these all from BN?
You alluded to other sites…which comments are from where?
by Paragon SC on Aug 21, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
some are from Bn but I didn't want to name names
I will say 102 captain festor and jason king
Paul D. Kelley
BN is a myopic site
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 21, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Title threw me off
I believe this is the modern day Crying Game.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 21, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking something similar.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
by bluemax on Aug 21, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh that one but really do you think it's really a guy
I heard Slick is thinking about making offer as wideout
Paul D. Kelley
BN is a myopic site
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 22, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete is above reproach
Haters are haters, cruise through ESPN blogs from East Coast to West and the breadth of USC haters is impressive. That being said, what puzzles me is 90 percent of the haters focus on “Cheat” Carroll etc. variations on the cheat theme . . . but Pete Carroll has always been perhaps the most honest, caring, scrupulous, unselfish coach in college football. When has Carroll ever given anyone the slightest indication otherwise? For gods sake 60 Minutes and the New York Times practically sainted Coach Carroll with their features on him and his work with A Better LA. How could anyone with a straight face who knows anything about the man ever accuse Carroll of “cheating”?
by uscdude on Aug 21, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well there was that macabre prank
Thats cheating right?
Let’s see there’s:
1. Reggie Bush
2. Dwayne Jarrett discounted rent
3. Matt Leinart (stay tuned for sports center)
Over the course of 7 seasons thats not all that bad. 3 players with ncaa problems.
On a side note, I’ve said this a million times, but no one seems to acknowledge this:
Oklahoma did not self report. Self reporting indicates that you reported a violation that the NCAA was not previously aware of. The car dealership that Bomar was involved with sent an email to the NCAA and the OU athletic department simultaneously. When OU reported the violations, the NCAA was totally aware of what had happened already. I believe that OU knew that the NCAA had been informed. I’m not saying that they would have concealed the truth, but they sure had no choice but to pass the information along. People like to use the whole “self reported” thing like OU could have just sat on the Bomar issue and no one would have found out, but that simply is not the case. They had no choice at all but to go into damage control.
by frak on Aug 22, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter for some.
If you are able to frame the issue or a person in a negative light, you don’t have to engage them intelligently or rationally.
For example, we all agree that the KKK is crazy and no one here would really get into a conversation about the legitimacy of their ideas because we all know their illegitimate. This is an extreme example but it illustrates what I’m going for much more clearly than most examples.
So, if you are able to frame Pete Carrol as some arrogant cheater, you give yourself the freedom to engage Pete dishonestly. If you START with the premise that he’s an awful person, you have no reason to give anything he says or anything good he does legitimacy. If Pete does something good, you’ll get the logical equivalent of “la la la I can’t hear you” or “Well, Hitler loved dogs.” It’s interesting to see but also pretty pathetic because it is extremely dishonest.
That being said, I have no clue if Pete cheats. I just don’t care enough to follow all that stuff. BUT, in watching the 60 Minutes special and from word of mouth (I live in his general neighborhood), he sounds like a pretty nice guy.
I hope I was clear. It’s late and I’m pretty tired.
by BruinFan1 on Aug 25, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
I have no idea if Pete cheats either. Based upon what I’ve seen and heard, I wouldn’t be surprised if something did come out. However the evidence that has come to light at the moment does not indicate that Pete has done anything wrong. Until something else comes to light, columns like Plaschke’s just look like they are trying to find something scandalous to write about, can’t find anything, so they make stuff up, and repackage a 4 year old Reggie Bush scandal that they didn’t even break.
by frak on Aug 25, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an outsider
It appears to me that USC football (while not being completely innocent in the case) is taking the brunt of the SC athletic program woes. People hear about the troubles in basketball, and it gets put onto football in their minds because the football team is relevant and the basketball team isn’t (nationally speaking).
However, being as it may, while there haven’t been any formal convictions or punishments, it really is hard to look the other way when these certain allegations about Bush come out. Its not a stretch the think that a potential top 5 pick would be getting lots of money and benefits from agents.
Also, I find it interesting that the people harshest on Pete Carroll are the same ones who have their own “slick” head coach with his own baggage. I don’t care about his betting on college basketball— I say big deal, it doesn’t affect his ability to coach/recruit/etc. But what he did at Colorado was awfully scummy, and I can’t wait until 5 years from now the allegations involved with these new Bruins.
And finally, re: Dwayne Jarret’s discounted rent. I haven’t heard the story at all, but at first glance it would appear to me that it wouldn’t TECHNICALLY be a violation at all given these facts (that I am completely assuming):
1. Dwayne Jarrett was on a full ride from the University
2. Included in that full ride was a living stipend, that the University paid
So if these are both the case, then TECHNICALLY, wouldn’t the university just be paying a discounted rate, not actually Dwayne Jarrett? Maybe someone with more legal and technical knowledge on the case could clue me in.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Aug 22, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everythings you said
Jarretts rent was an honest mistake. Leinart’s father paid for a condo for both of them to stay in and paid 1/2 the rent. Jarrett paid 1/4, and Matt paid 1/4. Leinarts dad discovered later that the arrangement was a potential violation so they informed the NCAA about it. The NCAA decided that Jarrett received an extra benefit by not paying 1/2 the rent. They ordered him to pay the difference to a charity, and that was that.
Bush is really the biggest problem with the NCAA that USC Football has. He was a star, he got paid, and the NCAA can’t really punish him for it. What most of the “haters” are pissed about is the lack of punishment. Reggie was beyond the NCAAs grasp when the allegations about him came to light, so in some peoples minds, in order for justice to prevail, USC has to take a hit. It all comes down to whether or not you believe that USC had any knowledge of what Reggie’s parents were doing.
by frak on Aug 22, 2009 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But maybe we should hire the committee over at BN to run the Ncaa?
I could see it now everybody except Weasel Tech would be on probation for 10 years, that way they could have 10 NCs in a row.
OH and BTW nestor if you are going to call Pete a cheat then what does that make you aren’t you running a blog on government time?
Paul D. Kelley
BN is a myopic site
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if that were true (and I have no idea)
is a government worker wasting your money all that shocking?
by BruinFan1 on Aug 25, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all shocking
and probably of all the things that waste money, pretty low on the list.
by frak on Aug 25, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize what are government does with our taxes, I get that BUT!
I was just playing devils advocate with the name calling that go on, because if they want to rip Mayo or Bush those two have it coming. Pete is got be one of the best coaches I have seen in a long time, he believes in his player first and not himself. In all my playing and dealings with coaches I have had only three coaches who I really feel were like Pete and about 20+ the really sucked. The worst being my HS varsity FB coach he was a liar, thief, bigot, and only cared for himself. So when I see what PC is doing with his position I can say that if we had more people like this man the world would truly be better.
Paul D. Kelley
BN is a myopic site
by so.cal.native1952 on Aug 25, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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