The clown show that is UCLA "football"
by anh_sc79 on Jun 5, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
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Bumped with the title slightly edited...Paragon
Gotta love the Ruin football, don't we all....
First CFN has a laugh at the clowns:
Q: Which program perennially does the least with the most?
2. UCLA - The weather is just as nice as it is at USC, the coeds are just as hot (although I've heard plenty of arguments to the contrary from several Bruins), the academics are just as good, depending on the year and the study, the recruiting area is just as fertile, and the campus is in a better location. It's not like UCLA doesn't know how to win, it has a rich tradition in just about every spot, but for some reason it hasn't been able to take things to another level like Pete Carroll has been able to do down the road
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Out of the Pac-10, Arizona State and UCLA have been perennial underachievers for a long time. Neither team has been able to play up to its level on a consistent basis. Present staffs excluded, it’s been a while since either the Sun Devils or Bruins had an ace on the sidelines.
Perennial underachievers. Hey, but at least they won the Sun Bowl!
Then you see this gem from Brian Dohn. So much for C-Force being a savior as many proclaimed in 2006.
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don't edit just to make your point look good now...
you forgot to include the very first part of the answer from CFN!
“If I was in a particularly combative, kick-the-hornet’s-nest mood I’d say USC might belong here, at least in theory, considering it only has one national title and that AP thing under Pete Carroll despite having more talent than anyone in college football over the last eight years (while playing in the Pac 10), but I’m not up for yet another round of blastings from the Trojan faithful. "
i’ll admit the football team hasn’t been the strong point lately…but we can say the same thing about your basketball team now can’t we?
Sure. No need to edit
If you consider finishing in top-4 since 2002 an underachievement… LOL. That’s kinda stupid because except for 2005, the BCS thingy hasn’t been really clear who is the best team in the country.
As for SC bball, sure they are underachievers. But so is your baseball team.
Big sports underachievers: fucla 2 – USC 1. You lose again.
Not sure I buy your thesis
Is baseball really a big sport on the college level on the same plane as basketball and football? Not to my Bruin eyes. I think it’s something below football and basketball, but obviously bigger than tennis, water polo and the other minor sports. Call it a B level sport between football and hoop. So that puts us even on the majors (although I can’t remember ever seeing a major program implode like your basketball team) and we obviously “lose” in baseball-although your baseball team has been underperforming for the better part of a decade now. How does that fit into to your worldview?
I also take your point and Paragon’s regarding underachievement, but I think your rebuttal is a little too glib. Of course, nobody objectively would consider USC to be an underachieving program in light of the remarkable run they have had since Carroll’s second year, but I do think a fair argument can be made that USC has underachieved with only one outright title and one shared title in that time frame given the overwhelming superiority they have had relative to the Pac-10. USC has been so much better than the rest of the conference in recruiting and results that there can be no other term applied, IMHO, than underachiever when the Stanford loss, 13-9, and several others have occurred that have kept USC from playing for the title. One never knows if USC would have won a title, but there are at least two seasons where USC played itself out of a title game by losing to inferior teams in the conference, including a 41-point dog AT HOME. If that’s not underachievement, I don’t know what is.
Finally, Paragon’s point about UCLA basketball underachieving the past three FF-I think you’re way off on that argument. Historically, UCLA won 7 straight titles and ten overall so if you’re using the Wooden teams as the yardstick I guess the claim fits. But today’s game is a little different, and you should remember that the first FF team we had udner Howland was not given any chance to get to the FF, let alone the title game, so this was a clear example of overachieving. The next year’s team was considered to have a good shot at the FF, but played Florida with all of its players back-nobody picked UCLA to win that one. Call that meeting expectations. Two years ago, with Love and Westbrook-that team could be said (and many of us have said it) that the loss could be considered underachievement-although Memphis was a hell of a team, too. But by my standards, that would mean that USC underachieved by losing to Texas in the Rose Bowl-what say you?
And there it is...
I could have timed that with an egg timer. Of course you think I am off-base…I would not have expected anything different.
I am not using the Wooden years in this argument, but you bring up an interesting point. Why is it that most ucla fans always have to fall back to the Wooden years to make their point…its never about the here and now. Most USC fans don’t fall back on “tradition” it is about the here and now. We’ve been there done that and are looking for more no living in the past and there are a lot great memories.
Overachieve or not they ucla was there. ucla fans think their rightful spot is at the top of CBB yet for all the talent Howland has brought in there is still no banner under his tenure.
In regards to Stanford, sure it happens, I mean UF lost to Ole Miss and they did OK. As Frak noted above I would rather be in the position to be in the discussion than in the trash pile where ucla football has been the past 10 years. BTW that is where USC basketball is heading too so let me nip that in the bud real quick.
ucla fans can’t have it both ways either you are in or you are out, either you win or you don’t. Most ucla fans think there is some east coast bias… but you did get a lot of attention when you had KL (he was supposed to be the missing piece) but they didn’t close the deal. Winning takes that away. Howland hasn’t done that…yet, but he will.
SC has been in the position to win it all but they couldn’t close the deal the past few times but as anh_sc79 pointed out the current BCS system doesn’t really show us who the best team is. ucla has had some easy draws in the past but when they got to the FF they didn’t seal it. You can talk about the greatness of UF all you want but that is the way it goes. You play the hand you are dealt. Again losing to an big underdog is shitty but it happens. I would rather be in the position to win it all than to be an afterthought like ucla has been…and afterthought is being nice.
As for Texas…that was the greatest CFB game I have ever seen and I have seen a lot. That 2nd half is one for the ages. and SC did more that live up to their billing but VY was not to be denied. There aren’t many games that come close to that one.
Not sure where you are going here
since I didn’t bring up the Wooden years to make a point, but rather to try to understand yours and your reference point for suggesting UCLA underachieved in reaching the FF during the 3-year run without winning the title. Objectively, one cannot underachieve by winning when not expected to or by meeting expectations, and I laid out exactly how the UCLA FF teams of the recent past measure up in that category.
As for not falling back on tradition-most USC fans don’t fall back on tradition-I respectfully disagree. While they do not do so currently, until 2002 that is exactly what they did after Hackett cratered the program. I’d also point out that UCLA BB fans, similar to USC football fans, continue to take pride in the program history and the current state of their respective programs. UCLA BB hasn’t yet won a title, but believe me, on the UCLA boards they aren’t discussing the Wooden years, they’re talking about UCLA next season and expressing a lot of thoughts regarding UCLA currently.
I would not say UCLA has underachieved at any time under Howland with the possible exception of the Love team, whereas I feel that label can be applied to several seasons of USC football under Carroll. Each season must be measured on its own, not against standards raised 40 years ago and probably impossible to duplicate. USC IMHO is a “victim” of its own excellence over the past seven years, similar to UCLA when Wooden was winning those titles. In 1975, supposedly a UCLA fan told Wooden that winning the title would “make up” for failing to win it the year before, and this is allegedly part of the reason why Wooden left, because expectations were completely out of hand. For USC football, kinda going the same way. Now, i t’s not a bad place to be when your “underachievement” results in a BCS win and 7 straight(?) Pac-10 titles, but when your standards increase to these exalted levels, it seems to me that it is reasonable to at least ask the question whether USC has underachieved by not even playing for a title the past two seasons, and by winning only one BCS title during this remarkable run.
Further, I do not believe that USC underachieved by losing to Texas in the Rose Bowl a few years ago. USC was upset in that game, but upsets occur, and when the teams are close, there is no underachievement. But losing to Stanford, UCLA, Oregon State, and a couple of others, when you are a big favorite and when a win means a shot at the title-you can call it a lot of things, but underachievement is certainly one thing it could be called.
Finally, one thing that I cannot let pass is your note that “UCLA has had some easy draws in the past but when they got to the FF they didn’t seal it.” What, pray tell, were the “easy draws?” Losing to Florida-twice-with three lottery picks and four starters drafted and playing in the NBA? Losing to Memphis and no. 1 draft pick Derrick Rose and several other NBA starters? Don’t forget, just to get to the FF and title game in those three years UCLA beat (among others) LSU with Big Baby, Gonzaga, Kansas, Memphis, Indiana, Texas A & M and several other schools, all good teams. Take a look at the brackets and reconsider that particular claim, my friend!
Too long to respond to
so you’ll just have be confused by my thoughts…we’ll just have to agree to to disagree…
Let me get this straight
you’re calling USC’s effort in the Texas-USC Rose Bowl an underachievement? I don’t know about you, but not a single Texas fan had anything to say but nice things about our team. They knew how close it was. I thought we put up a great effort.
And I forgot the most important thing...
We don’t have a freaking juggler or dancing bear on the sideline. Those belong to circus
WELL you got to understand when your fight song is from Barium and Bailey you need that to make it right
And now the Weasel on walking the tite rope
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 5, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Barium & Bailey? wtf ...
is that some crazy South LA colonic ingredient? wtf, man!?
by Seanny Rotten on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE A FAN OF THE DODGERS
STICK IT MY ENEMY
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 10, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Seanny Rotten ever answer replies
No guts
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 10, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That clown ain't got nothing on Pflugard? (how do you spell that hotties name?)
And I AM SO SORRY. . . . .but nothing comes close to when our Trojan Marching Band comes out playing “Tusk”. Nothing. Period.
(go on now y’all: JUST. SAY. THAT. YOU. LOVE. ME! (USC, that is!)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 7, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait...you joined CC in January
and you are just now making your first post?
And you want to talk smack?
Really?? You got some balls I give you that…
You need to earn a few credits here before I allow that. Most Bruin commenters here throw some smack talk around but not before they have built up some credibility.
you might want to keep that in mind…and your "theory" is flawed. At least SC is in the discussion. What are you guys doing…running players off?
Good Luck with that….
Ill give Neueisel 1 more year
before I start in on the mockery. Although Dorrell never lost 8 games in a year.
I love the argument
That if USC doesn’t win the MNC every year, then we underachieve. I’m 100% satisfied with all the football that I have seen over the last 7 years. Yes we lost a few here and there. It happens. But when you lose 1 game, and you are called out for underachieving… wow….. you can’t get standards much higher than that.
Agree
Well said, Frak! Even if we won that one game, the underachieve camp would find something else to harp on. These are people who are just unhappy in their personal lives, like Jets fans. And, Bruins. SC is the the team of the decade, and in position to be the team of the next decade too.
It's about time they just rename it the Trojan Bowl!
How many Rose Bowl games have the tenants won anyway maybe 2-3.
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 6, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's their record
UCLA is 5-7 in the Rose Bowl.
Losses in 1943, 1947,1954,1956,1962,1994,1999
Wins in 1966,1976,1983,1984,1986
Fun fact- No one currently going to ucla going for their undergraduate degree was alive last time they won the Rose Bowl.
USC is 24-9 in the Rose Bowl Game.
Take that BEEEEEEE Nnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 6, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
The joke in Oregon
Is that USC wins as many times at the Rose Bowl as UCLA does every year
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Jun 9, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Sun Bowl win?
Dude, anh_sc79- you’re a peach! (and c’mon now! CC’s DIE-ING for more analysis from you? where ya been broheem? : )
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
Been busy :)
Takes time to crank out one of my classic number crunching analysis. Unfortunately I don’t work for the government (unlike some folks who do a lot of blogging from work) and can’t spend too much time on CC as I’d like. Now if my friends from BN hook me up with a comfy congressional job where I can spend 1/2 day blogging, you’d see me more often here :)
Hearin' ya!
Why do you think Arlen Specter (D-Pa. NOW) tergiversated the Republican Party? Senator Harry Reid offers ALL KINDS OF PERKS, especially to switch-hitters! To the N, to the E, to the STOR used to get PLENTY. (word!)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 9, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
No wonder our Little Buddy is so much a drama QUEEN
can you YYYYY MMMM CCCC AAAAA
Do you think he is waring a Cowboy Hat
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 9, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup, he's a big hat, no cattle kinda guy. . . .
. . . .with a Freddie Mercury mustache to boot! (pun intended)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 9, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Just curious...
If people think that SC has underachieved in football because of all the talent we have can we then say the same thing about ucla basketball?
What was it? 3 straight final fours and no title?
I lost count.
Just sayin’…..
Yes you can ParaSC!
And I lost count too!
BTW: We haven’t really underachieved, in all seriousness- WE’VE BEEN OUTVOTED! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT’S THE GODDAM TRUTH. ANY ONE OF THE PREVIOUS AND CURRENT #1 BCS TEAMS WOULD HAVE BEEN BEATEN BY US. BEATEN when Coach has a month to prepare our boys. (except for that little issue of the Vince Young-flavor. I still watch reruns of that game. Hate it. But love it just the same)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 7, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Florida could have beaten us
LSU would have been tough. But Ohio State, and Oklahoma… we would have trashed them.
Florida? Maybe. . .
. . . .I disagree on LSU completely.
This past Florida team was solid, that’s for sure. It would have been difficult to run on them to set up RoJo and Damian. Our strengths and weaknesses would have canceled each other out. But something tells me that Tim Teboner is no Vince. His runs in last year’s game were killing the Sooners. We would have popped that m-fer back to Gainesville.
I still think our LB’s would have dominated that game. We would have won, but I’ll give you some room to convince me otherwise. It would have been hella close.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
Whoa! Wait a minute.
That would have been Saban’s Tigers hah? (okay. scratch that. i’ll have to think about that after I take a wiki-look at that team. i remember being in a bar (the one with sawdust on the floor) at the end of Washington just off the bicycle path at Venice Beach. Playing pool, as usual and remembering how close it was for the Sooners/Tigers. For a minute. . . .and then. . . .? See? Told you. I gotta check out Wiki.
Hold that thought. (note to self: Get More Sleep. Tell Girlfriend to GO HOME! . . .already)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 7, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Forgot to mention LSU
Les “The Meaux-ron” Miles has yet to prove he’s a bigtime/big game coach. He woulda been thoroughly out coached by BigBallsPete. Thoroughly.
And those LSU Tigers would have been just as awestruck as the Nittany Lions. (although those N-cubs were some badass young men. i’ve grown to love each and everyone of the players on that sideline. they played their hearts out after getting whacked in the first half) Something tells me Trindon & Co would have turned off their after-burners and bayou’d-out!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
Oh
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by i love sports101 on Jun 24, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions
Dude
You from the Bay Area, or what (gotta be from the peninsula or SJ- don’t tell me!)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
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